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Poll: first to go

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Who's first to go?

The army of therapists: psychotherapists, social workers, psychiatrists, sexologists, marriage counselers, etc...
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Designers of all kind (fashion, objects, tooth brushes, houses, furniture, etc...)
6
No votes
Non Governmental Organizations and their affiliates
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0%
Service staff, customer care, secretaries, sales, etc...
4
No votes
Computer related, IT, telecoms people
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0%
Farmers, agricultural workers
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0%
Intellectuals, writers, publishers, journalists
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0%
Advertising, media people
5
No votes
Transport, logistics, truckers, shippers, etc...
4
No votes
Tourism and hospitality related professions
33
No votes
 
Total votes : 58

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Unread postby lorenzo » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 07:09:08

Which professional category will be made "redundant" first and will feel that something's wrong, fastest?

Mind you, this is only a selection of professional categories. But I have the feeling those will be affected more seriously than say hard scientists, military, or law enforcement.
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Unread postby killJOY » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 07:18:42

You made my day by having the psychotherapist category listed first. I checked that one just because I can't stand the whole lot of them. Pseudoscience. Blah.
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Unread postby Wildwell » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 08:23:42

The areas at risk are as follows:

Short/medium term

Airlines – high fuel costs mean more costs
Road freight - high fuel costs mean more costs
Designers, advertising and media – Companies squeeze costs and cut back on these budgets first


Medium term/long

Therapists – when people have less money to spend they cut back on luxury services.
Some support staff in order to reduce costs
Some customer service staff

The really big danger area is Airlines and Tourism.

I think the area which will gain is farming, IT and internet. Print media will shrink and is shrinking now.
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Unread postby Riverside » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 08:41:46

I would have to say truck drivers. You will see small companies and owner/operators folding, and large companies raising rates.

Last year dh worked for a small trucking company with 9 drivers. When diesel hit $2.10 they laid off 2 drivers. He left months ago, I don't know how they are doing with prices at $2.40. Right now he works for a national carrier. The problem is he is hauling dog food to a national pet store. How long do you think this pet store will be in business when people realize they can get Fido's food at "China Mart"? Especially when that savings is needed to go toward the food budget.

I think there will be massive job losses in transportation, then small bussiness and "niche" markets failing.

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Unread postby Jack » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 12:16:31

I noticed that 2,000,000 tourists visited the Alamo, in San Antonio, Texas last year. That represents a lot of revenue - not only to hotels and restaurants, but to all the employees hired by those organizations. Additionally, the city's budget depends on revenue from those operations.

So if gasoline goes to a mere $3.00 per gallon, and if airfares increase substantially, what happens to tourism? Suppose the 2E6 tourists decline to 1.5E6. How much unemployment does that imply? A lot, I think. And San Antonio is not alone in hitching its wagon to the tourism star.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 12:48:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'Y')ou made my day by having the psychotherapist category listed first. I checked that one just because I can't stand the whole lot of them. Pseudoscience. Blah.
What seems to be the problem here? There must be some reason why you don't like psychotherapy, or for that matter why you would give yourself such a hostile nickname as 'kill - joy'. what was your childhood like . . .
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Unread postby trespam » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 12:50:23

I hope the first thing to go is these stupid speculative waste of time polls.
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Unread postby Trab » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 13:01:23

I didn't see the option for lawyers... 8)
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 13:21:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trab', 'I') didn't see the option for lawyers... 8)
Is the grumpy one a lawyer? That would explain a lot.
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Unread postby trespam » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 14:31:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trab', 'I') didn't see the option for lawyers... 8)
Is the grumpy one a lawyer? That would explain a lot.


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Close though. I had once thought of getting a patent law degree to focus on IPR issues.
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 15:04:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'Y')ou made my day by having the psychotherapist category listed first. I checked that one just because I can't stand the whole lot of them. Pseudoscience. Blah.


True of most therapists, but psychiatrists (M.D & ARNP) and psychiatric nurses will continue to have work. Who else is going to manage your medicines and make sure you don't go off the deep end into psychosis? :P

Speaking of insane: Peak Oil Jane appears to have stopped taking her Zyprexa and is in a schizoid episode right now!
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 20:39:12

Tourism is on its way out. Only the rich will be able to afford to travel long distances for no purpose other than recreation. Millions of people are about to lose their jobs in the tourism industry.

Think about a motel. Do you really need 3 of them in your town if no one ever drives 600 miles to visit grandma?

What about Disney World? Will people be willing to shell out big bucks just to see Mickey?
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 21:41:18

truckers first.
their main job is useing gas.
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 21:59:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TrueKaiser', 't')ruckers first.
their main job is useing gas.


I believe that statement is absolutely wrong.

The trucking industry is too vital to the life of the country given our current infrastructure. The rest of us will be on gas ration cards, car pooling or walking while the truckers, who use diesel anyway, will be given priority and even subsidies for their fuel.
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Unread postby maverickdoc » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 22:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TrueKaiser', 't')ruckers first.
their main job is useing gas.


I believe that statement is absolutely wrong.

The trucking industry is too vital to the life of the country given our current infrastructure. The rest of us will be on gas ration cards, car pooling or walking while the truckers, who use diesel anyway, will be given priority and even subsidies for their fuel.


I am with Domus, I think "luxury" jobs will go first like tourism, pet grooming etc. Things one can easily live without. I think we are already seeing signs of this.
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Unread postby trespam » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 22:15:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', '
')I am with Domus, I think "luxury" jobs will go first like tourism, pet grooming etc. Things one can easily live without. I think we are already seeing signs of this.


Great. I complain about the speculative threads and then jump into the middle of them. I'm a hypocrite and a stuck-up asshole.

With that out of the way, I absolutely agree that trucking will not go away. We'll see a decrease in volume, no doubt. A lot of the trucks you see on the roads are either carrying (1) useless crap, (2) food items that are no longer absolutely necessary or (3) material to build the next sky scraper or shopping mall or minimall or something like that.

I don't have the numbers, but I've seen a quote somewhere indicating that a significant amount of energy is expended on building new things like new homes. Imagine if we stop widening freeways, shipping tons of concrete all over the place, etc.

So the first thing we're going to see: less volume for new construction. Some impact on tourism. I think people will continue to travel on special trips, but they will probably travel more locally. Get away at the ocean or a lake or something like that, not jump on a friggen airplane to spend three days in Mexico or the Bahamas.
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 22:17:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TrueKaiser', 't')ruckers first.
their main job is useing gas.


I believe that statement is absolutely wrong.

The trucking industry is too vital to the life of the country given our current infrastructure. The rest of us will be on gas ration cards, car pooling or walking while the truckers, who use diesel anyway, will be given priority and even subsidies for their fuel.


actually your wrong. it might be vital for some areas like phoenix, but that doesn't mean it will not be killed off first. as prices for both normal gas and cruder diesel rise, pressure from the company's that depend on them will demand to lower the costs. the first thing to go would be the truckers union and their high salary's. some will protest and refuse to work only to be replaced by people who will accept the lower pay. those jobs that cannot be filled will disappear as the businesses that once depended on them either cease to be themselves or find other ways to get the stuff they need. this will be repeated in several places with the same outcome, trucking supply's in large semi's in a on demand constantly moving manner will cease to be.

ironically in a place that believes the government will be evil once things go down hill seems to think the government can keep systems in place by providing hand outs(aka subsidies). i do not think they will subsidize the trucking industry for two reasons.

one: by this time there will be a backlash on them as people realize how much of a waste they were at trying to keep the airlines afloat because they did not want to change their old 50's and 60's style businesses model. airlines will still be around but they will not be the old cattle car type of model trying to fit as many people as they can in a plane.

two: the government would be spending the money elsewhere on things to ensure it is still in power.
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Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 22:23:21

"The first thing we do is hang all the lawyers"
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Unread postby mgibbons19 » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 22:25:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '
')So the first thing we're going to see: less volume for new construction. Some impact on tourism. I think people will continue to travel on special trips, but they will probably travel more locally. Get away at the ocean or a lake or something like that, not jump on a friggen airplane to spend three days in Mexico or the Bahamas.


It's intersting living here in the midwest, along these lines. The whole northwoods of Wisconsin, Michign, and Minnesota, strike me as old fashioned touristy things in esactly that sense. Some of it is really kitchy nowadays, but in 1940, it would have been sensible to take a 6 hour car trip to take the kids out to the lakes. It would have made no sense at all to fly them across the country and pay $110+ to all go to DisneyLand. Part of why these northwoods and midwestern locations seem cheesy now may be due to the fact that they are dealing to a less well-off clientell than in 1940.

Don't know for sure, just a hunch.
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Unread postby gg3 » Sat 19 Mar 2005, 23:40:43

Killjoy, you shot yourself in the foot and disproved your own hypothesis.

You dislike psychology & social sciences, and explain the dislike by calling them psuedosciences. Then you let your emotional attitude toward those fields influence your judgement about which field would suffer first during a downturn or crash.

"I don't like Bob. Therefore I think Bob will die early in a flu pandemic." Do you see the illogic of that?

It illustrates precisely the point that the cognitive and social sciences are in fact relevant to how humans face the coming crises. Even a tiny bit of self-knowledge is sufficient to protect one against the more blatant types of faulty reasoning.
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