PO suppression

by **turmoil** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 08:27:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('agni', 'T')he world produces more than enough to feed everyone right now.

by **jimmydean** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 08:45:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '[')b]a belief of invincibility

He said, "That's history. Things like that doesn't happen anymore."

by **MaterialExcess** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 11:37:38

PO is suppressed because of gutless politicians and ignorant masses of people. Any politician with any significant power is well aware of PO by now. Just acknowleding PO and beginning to take proactive measures would result in a serious hit to the economy though. The ignorant masses are not going to vote for someone who hurts their economy so the politicians are slaves to ignorance.

by **khebab** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 11:45:46

Since the 80s, economic news are very stock market centered consequently they are very very shor term (daily basis) and appear completely nevrotic when looked on a several day period. PO being a long term issue, mass media are unable to catch the short-span public attention. PO is discussed today more than ever but if prices crash down tomorrow toward $40 it will be discarded and classified as an exotic phony theory (like Y2K).

by **Dezakin** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 17:04:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hats only because of cheap energy and labor.

by **ubercrap** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 17:19:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hats only because of cheap energy and labor.

by **RG73** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:07:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hats only because of cheap energy and labor.

by **Budmeister** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 20:30:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'F')or me, this poll has not enough options, and too many assumptions.

by **Dezakin** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 20:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you figure energy will be cheap since nearly any alternative energy source will require fossil fuels to build the infrastructure?

by **ubercrap** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:02:40

Well, a tornado you can try to get out of the path of or pick a place that is somewhat safe to be if it hits you, but with peak oil, virtually anything could happen anywhere and it isn't obvious where one should go.

by **chuck6877** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:12:32

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He said, "That's history. Things like that doesn't happen anymore."

*smacks forehead* Sometimes I just have trouble getting thru to my old man. There's no point in even entertaining the thought of introducing PO to him.

by **ubercrap** » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:21:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you figure energy will be cheap since nearly any alternative energy source will require fossil fuels to build the infrastructure?

by **Dezakin** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 01:15:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is absolutely no evidence for an "everything will be dandy" type scenario now (even if there is the slim chance it will happen), while the "no damn way we will be rebuilding the country just as we are crumbling economically from high oil prices" scenario sounds relatively plausible. Only time will tell.

by **Battle_Scarred_Galactico** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 04:11:19

Food and water will be higher on the list of priorities than jobs I think.

by **Doly** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 04:17:21

In our current economic system, you need a job to get food.

by **Battle_Scarred_Galactico** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 04:24:58

yes, I'm aware of that. That's not much good though if it doesn't remain in it's "current" state.

by **RG73** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 13:47:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'B')ecause it doesnt require fossil fuel. Most construction equipment can just as easily be electrically powered, and fuel costs for construction aren't anywhere near the dominating cost in construction.

by **Novus** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 18:56:24

I blame the cry wolf syndrome for most people not taking Peak Oil Seriously.

Noted scientists such as Paul Ehrlich made overshoot predictions in the 60s and 70s that mass stavation was imminent. He predicted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1990. This was actually taken seriously and many people beleived. In retropect when it didn't come true people today just don't want to hear that again.

Also the artificial oil crisis of the 1970s when it passed caused the perseption that the world's oil problems were over. Freting over oil became little more then a been there done that thing.

It could also just be human nature. Plato's allegory of Atlantis was writen to show the arrogance and foolishness of man. The people of Atlantis were given plenty of warning by the gods but they choose to ignore it. The greeks even had a word for this: Hubris. Our culture may have advanced 2300 years but human nature has not.

I have been aware of Peak Oil for many years now. There was no sudden revelation that changed my world view. It just kind of happened. People when they are ready to accept the truth will come. In the legend of Atlantis a few did wake up and survived to tell the tale. I number myself with the survivors.

by **SchroedingersCat** » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 20:28:12

Novus wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')oted scientists such as Paul Ehrlich made overshoot predictions in the 60s and 70s that mass stavation was imminent. He predicted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1990. This was actually taken seriously and many people beleived. In retropect when it didn't come true people today just don't want to hear that again.

by **OilyMon** » Wed 22 Jun 2005, 02:02:42

I got onto the elevator at work today and one of my colleagues was saying, ".. it's really frustrating! It's far too expensive! They should really do something about it!"

When she saw that I was listening she told me, "We're talking about gas prices. They're too high, and it getting more expensive." To which I replied, "And they're not going to stop going up either." She completely agreed. I then asked her if she knew why gas prices were going up. To which she replied, "No. Why are they?" I told her I didn't want to get into it (enough people at work think I'm a crack because of this (and of course that "loss of control" incident a few months ago!) already, and I didn't want to add to that figure.

She pressed me, "Why is gas getting more expensive?", and when I mentioned supply and demand she immediately asked it I was a business or economics major, with a slightly denegrating tone. I said, "no, I just have an interest", and went on to tell her and her friend that supply and demand were coming closer together, and that eventually they would cross. The response I got to this as they tried to think about the implications, was that supply and demand would achieve a state of equilibrium. I decided not to press this any further and went out for a smoke.

I think this is indicative of how most people think about oil. They hear the word oil and think, "ohhh crap, business is boring and I'm not going to pay attention. I'd rather talk about (as mentioned above) the latest movie/punk rock band/ MTV VJ, etc. (The last two being examples drawn from personal experience) People for the most part are ignorant about this issue. My colleague is very friendly and intelligent, but just had no clue as to what the potential causes of our recent personal economic strain are, in terms of price at the pump.

On a side note, I was re-watching "The End Of Suburbia" last night, and I noticed that the price at one of the gas stations they filmed was (I'd better check this before I write! Hold on....) 69.9cents a liter. In Toronto where this movie was partly filmed, gas can now be found, during the most recent spikes, at 92 cents and higher. Just though that the dating of the movie based on the gas price was interesting!

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