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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 18:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ell April crude oil at 9970 - stop 10130.
We're short March heating oil from apprx 270 - stop 280. If you're not stopped, roll to April MOC with a 300 point stop.
Buy April RBOB at 258 - stop 256.
Buy April natural gas at 850 - stop 840.

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Phil has flipped to long on NG and RBOB. Still hanging in there on his HO trade, but short crude. He missed his buy stop on the NG and the market ran away from him. It's up almost 40 cents today. The 300 point stop on the HO above is really aggressive. He is putting $12600 at risk, with a blizzard hitting NY right now.
I guess that's why he's the expert.

I guess that's why he's the mouthpiece... would be more appropriate.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 18:55:28

Phil rolled out of his March HO position at 2.77, so his net loss is $3124. His total for those four trades is -$8124.
I actually kind of like the crude oil trade. The plan is to get stopped in at just below 100, have the market top out at about 101, like it has been, then ride it down.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')illingness to go short over a weekend when we have developing turmoil in Iraq and Nigeria.

I am with you on this.
Anyway, for the record, he is short April HO at 2.74 with a stop at $3.04. He is using the same strategy on this one, allowing 300 points to the upside, so he is basically calling for a top here too.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t would be nice to see some of the alt energy plays with at least a P/E to show for themselves.

I have to agree with this. A "company" has such a thing as "sales" and "earnings". If an entity does not have either of these, it's called either a "hobby" or a "charity".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The market's coming back down to earth," said Flynn. "$100 a barrel isn't a price anymore, it's a destination. It gets to the level, then it backs off."
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 19:29:14

These guys are basically doing a coin toss and are trying make it appear that they have a scientific method of predicting the outcome.
Anyone reading more into the short term volatility of oil is dumb. There is no statistical significance no matter how you explain yourself after the fact.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Sun 24 Feb 2008, 23:41:14

Phil's April Crude Oil short sale was filled this evening at 9970 with a stop at 10130.

short April HO at 274 stop at 304

Natural gas is up another 19 cents, but phil's trade did not get filled.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 15:16:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're short April crude oil from apprx 9870 - stop 10130.
We're short April heating oil from apprx 27472 - stop 27750.
Buy April RBOB at 25900 - stop 25700.
Buy April natural gas at 870 - stop 860.

Phil's HO trade got stopped out with this little runup: another $1167 down the drain. Keep an eye on the crude oil. It was at 101.11 a few minutes ago.
Phil's running total to date: -$9291.60
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 19:09:48

Update: Phil is now stopped out on his crude oil trade for a loss of 2.60 per barrel, net of -$2600 on the trade.
His new total: -$11,891
Unless there is news otherwise, what we are now seeing is a short squeeze, which happens from time to time to punish the short sellers like Phil.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 19:55:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'U')pdate: Phil is now stopped out on his crude oil trade for a loss of 2.60 per barrel, net of -$2600 on the trade.
His new total: -$11,891
Unless there is news otherwise, what we are now seeing is a short squeeze, which happens from time to time to punish the short sellers like Phil.

will he continue to short as emotion/bravado takes over ??
Will Pickens continue to short ??
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 20:09:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilluber', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'U')pdate: Phil is now stopped out on his crude oil trade for a loss of 2.60 per barrel, net of -$2600 on the trade.
His new total: -$11,891
Unless there is news otherwise, what we are now seeing is a short squeeze, which happens from time to time to punish the short sellers like Phil.

will he continue to short as emotion/bravado takes over ??

Probably. Most don't understand while oil production is peaked, or at best on a plateau. In addition, the insidious nature of decreasing energy earned on energy invested plus the gradual increase of consumption by oil producers has resulted in less oil available for consumer consumption.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 27 Feb 2008, 14:08:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hort April Crude at 9870 stopped 10130
Buy April Crude 10000 stop 9900
Short April heating oil at 27472 stopped 27750
Buy April heating oil 27200 stop 27000
Buy April RBOB at 25800 stop 25700
Buy April Natural gas at 900stop 870!

Phil has now flipped to long. He is buying on pullbacks.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il is being viewed as the perfect hedge against a falling dollar and lower interest rate expectations in a commodity crazed atmosphere.

Maybe he will start making some money. Then again, maybe he will get beat up the other way on the HO and NG because of seasonality.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Wed 27 Feb 2008, 19:01:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hort April Crude at 9870 stopped 10130
Buy April Crude 10000 stop 9900
Short April heating oil at 27472 stopped 27750
Buy April heating oil 27200 stop 27000
Buy April RBOB at 25800 stop 25700
Buy April Natural gas at 900stop 870!

Phil has now flipped to long. He is buying on pullbacks.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il is being viewed as the perfect hedge against a falling dollar and lower interest rate expectations in a commodity crazed atmosphere.

Maybe he will start making some money. Then again, maybe he will get beat up the other way on the HO and NG because of seasonality.

so what does that mean ?? That crude will go down now ??
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 09:38:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'April 2008 100.00 n/a 99.63 100.18 98.91 99.64 +0.36')
Bad news for Phil. His $100 April crude trade was stopped out last night at 99.00 This is what you get when you put your stop too close to the fill price in a crazy market like this. What Phil is forgetting is that when oil is at $25, a $1 stop is a 4% change. When oil is at $100, a $1 stop is a 1% change, and is going to happen all the time. This caused another $1000 loss.
Current total: -$12,891

We are having fun at Phil's expense, but it illustrates a point, which is, you better know what you are doing and have deep pockets if you are going to play this game. Phil is one of the media's talking heads, and is getting his butt kicked, having lost $12K in his last five trades, with an excellent chance to lose even more if and when the HO and NG trades are filled.

I have not gone through is archives, but I would venture that he made a little money after thanksgiving when crude went down into the 80's but for the most part, he has been torched since the moment he went bearish last fall.

Furthermore, the higher this stuff gets, the more chance he is going to have to lose a lot of money even being conservative, for no other reason than that the unpredictable random fluctuations will be stopping him out all the time even if he has the correct trade, because he has to set his stops so close to the market.
This is the very reason I stick to mutual funds and let the "experts" handle this.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 19:20:28

Update: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')topped on long April crude oil from apprx 10000 at apprx 9900. Buy April crude oil at 10000 - stop 9800.
Buy April heating oil at 27200 - stop 26900.
Buy April RBOB at 25700 - stop 25600.
We're long April natural gas from apprx 900 - stop 870.

Phil claims to have had his long NG trade filled, which based on yesterday's Nymex chart is really iffy, and one of his faithful readers that sees his blog in the morning would have missed it, but I will throw him a bone.
He is up .41 on this so far, for a nice profit of $4100, and still more to run.
His second crude trade was filled, and he is up $2.40 on that so $2400. Note that he was smart enough to set his stop at $2 instead of $1. It will be interesting to see where he takes his profits.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 13:45:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')emand for oil is weak and it is obvious that we are seeing at least some form of demand destruction but as we have seen, rising supply and lower demand does not necessarily translate into lower price. We have gotten beaten up lately by correctly predicting rising supply and weakening demand. What we failed to realize is that rising supply and lower demand does not always translate in to lower price. Larger market forces have rewritten the laws of gravity as commodity price inflationary pressures have over ruled the basic laws of supply in demand. Even with clear signs of demand destruction in the US and some worrying signs of slowing in Japan and even Europe, oil prices have surged along with inventories.

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Sorry Phil, but excluding a drop in residual fuel use (due to new regulations and conversion to NG) US oil product demand is not dropping.
Even more importantly, even the most pessimistic energy analyst is not predicting a drop in worldwide oil demand this year. Hey Phil, oil is used around the world too.

Anyway he seem sto be catching on to a subject we've discussed elsewhere at PO.com - the fall in the value of the dollar driving commodity inflation.
Who says you can't teach an old dog some new tricks? Still I think understanding PO is beyond his grasp.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby AlCzervik » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 15:28:48

I heard a clip of the this douchenozzle on the radio this morning, and in my sleepy haze, I'm pretty sure he flip-flopped and acknowledged that $100 oil is going to be relatively standard from here on out.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 18:44:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're long April crude oil from apprx 10000 - stop 9800

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're long April natural gas from apprx 9000 - raise stop 9012.

Phil is going to make a little money on NG. He has not raised his stop on crude oil yet, and half of his profits evaporated today.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday’s Wall Street Journal points out that compared with other commodities, oil is still relatively cheap. For example natural gas prices are up 26%, coal up 56%, platinum up 41%, wheat up 32% and cocoa up 38%. With those kinds of moves oil seemed like a bargain even above $100.00 a barrel and is the darling of those investors that are buying commodities as a safe haven.

Words of wisdom from Phil's blog today
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 21:41:11

Update: Phil took some profits today, raising his crude oil stop to 10130, so a $1300 gain.
His natural gas trade is also still alive, and he is going to make some money on that one.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're long April crude from apprx 10000 - raise stop to 10130!
Buy April RBOB at 25900 - stop 25600.
Buy April heating oil at 27500 - stop 27200.
We're long April natural gas from apprx 900 - raise stop to 950!

The wolf was at the door for awhile, until he went long
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 12:00:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')topped on long April crude from apprx 10000 at apprx 10130! Buy April crude at 9700 - stop 9600.
Stopped on long April RBOB from apprx 25900 at apprx 25600. Buy April RBOB at 24200 - stop 24000.
Buy April heating oil at 27500 - stop 27200.
Stopped on long April natural gas from apprx 900 at apprx 950!! Buy April natural gas at 907 - stop 890.

Crude oil trade: +1300
RBOB trade stopped out -1260
nat gas long trade +5000
total:$-7851. Phil was quite fortunate to be stopped in on the NG. However, he urinated away another $4000 by setting his stop too high on the crude oil trade.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, today’s OPEC meeting matters not because OPEC makes the market but because the oil market makes OPEC. It is the market forces that gives and takes power away from the cartel and now the market deems that they indeed can impact price.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 19:08:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')topped on long April crude from apprx 10000 at apprx 10130! Buy April crude at 9700 - stop 9600.
Stopped on long April RBOB from apprx 25900 at apprx 25600. Buy April RBOB at 24200 - stop 24000.
Buy April heating oil at 27500 - stop 27200.
Stopped on long April natural gas from apprx 900 at apprx 950!! Buy April natural gas at 907 - stop 890.

Crude oil trade: +1300
RBOB trade stopped out -1260
nat gas long trade +5000
total:$-7851. Phil was quite fortunate to be stopped in on the NG. However, he urinated away another $4000 by setting his stop too high on the crude oil trade.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, today’s OPEC meeting matters not because OPEC makes the market but because the oil market makes OPEC. It is the market forces that gives and takes power away from the cartel and now the market deems that they indeed can impact price.

I don't think the great trading god needs to urinate.
Only mortals like us cannot predict the futures.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 12:37:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')uy April crude oil at 9870 - stop 9700.
Sell April RBOB at 27480 - stop 27620.
Buy April heating oil at 28600 - stop 28400.
Buy April Natural gas at 927 - stop 907.

Phil is now trying to short RBOB on a price spurt.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h sure OPEC has a point in as much as the housing crisis in the US is causing selling of the dollar driving up the price of oil like a rising temperature. But as with a temperature, if you continue to ignore the symptoms and don't get treatment, the temperature will rise to the point where it will kill you and then you go from red-hot to freezing cold.

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I believe that Phil owes PMS a little love for getting this idea from him.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Unread postby oilluber » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 18:55:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')uy April crude oil at 9870 - stop 9700.
Sell April RBOB at 27480 - stop 27620.
Buy April heating oil at 28600 - stop 28400.
Buy April Natural gas at 927 - stop 907.

Phil is now trying to short RBOB on a price spurt.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h sure OPEC has a point in as much as the housing crisis in the US is causing selling of the dollar driving up the price of oil like a rising temperature. But as with a temperature, if you continue to ignore the symptoms and don't get treatment, the temperature will rise to the point where it will kill you and then you go from red-hot to freezing cold.
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I believe that Phil owes PMS a little love for getting this idea from him.

Phyl is truly a God.... pulling off such spectacular short term trades.
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