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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby BrazilianPO » Sat 24 May 2008, 20:43:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newman1979', 'T')he April report also shows exports to the US down to under 1.2 m/b/d. The rapid fall of over 450,000 b/d from April 06 continues the trend of lower crude production, increased domestic oil consumption and decreasing exports to the US. The April numbers confirm once again that Mexico is on target to be a net zero exporter to the US in four years.


These EIA figures were last updated for the month of February, but it can already been seen that imports from Mexico are already falling at a very rapid pace:

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mttimusmx1m.htm


Looks like Cantarell is falling like a rock, and accelerating. Its production has fallen 50% since Dec 2003. That is a steep decline. Exactly 15% per year. (0.85^4.5). 8O 8O

If the Saudis are using the similar "high-performance" extraction techniques in their fields as in Cantarell, the other side of the bell curve will be ugly. The more you squeeeeeze, the harder is the fall.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 27 May 2008, 16:13:57

This article should serve as reminder that Mexico is importing more and more gasoline. Most likely that trend will continue. As you might remember, Mexico's refineries have suffered from fires and other problems, and pipelines have become terrorist targets.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico Ends 1Q Without Oil Windfall On Gasoline Imports

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May 27, 2008 2:51 p.m.

MEXICO CITY (Dow Jones)--Increased volumes of gasoline imports and higher import prices for the fuel, along with below-estimate crude export volumes, mean the Mexican government ended the first quarter without windfall oil income despite record crude prices, Finance Ministry officials said Tuesday.

State oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, exported 1.5 million barrels a day of crude oil at close to $80 a barrel in the first quarter, against an initial budget estimate of 1.68 million barrels a day at $49 a barrel.

A stronger peso against the dollar and lower overall production at Pemex also offset income from oil in the period, Finance Ministry economist Miguel Messmacher said in a meeting with reporters.

Pemex imported 341,000 barrels a day of gasoline in the first quarter, which Messmacher said was 6% above the estimate, while prices were 31% higher than anticipated.

Since Pemex sells gasoline in the domestic market at a price set by the Finance Ministry, when the price is below the cost of imported gasoline Pemex receives a tax credit to compensate for the difference.

The excise tax on gasoline becomes a negative tax and acts like a subsidy, said Deputy Finance Minister Alejandro Werner.

President Felipe Calderon said Sunday that the cost to the government of maintaining prices of gasoline, diesel and propane gas while international energy prices are soaring will be about 200 billion pesos ($19.2 billion) this year, four times what it was last year.

The decision to keep fuel prices steady was part of a series of measures that Calderon unveiled Sunday to keep rising food prices under wraps.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby memmel » Thu 05 Jun 2008, 23:48:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')his article should serve as reminder that Mexico is importing more and more gasoline. Most likely that trend will continue. As you might remember, Mexico's refineries have suffered from fires and other problems, and pipelines have become terrorist targets.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico Ends 1Q Without Oil Windfall On Gasoline Imports

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
May 27, 2008 2:51 p.m.

MEXICO CITY (Dow Jones)--Increased volumes of gasoline imports and higher import prices for the fuel, along with below-estimate crude export volumes, mean the Mexican government ended the first quarter without windfall oil income despite record crude prices, Finance Ministry officials said Tuesday.

State oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, exported 1.5 million barrels a day of crude oil at close to $80 a barrel in the first quarter, against an initial budget estimate of 1.68 million barrels a day at $49 a barrel.

A stronger peso against the dollar and lower overall production at Pemex also offset income from oil in the period, Finance Ministry economist Miguel Messmacher said in a meeting with reporters.

Pemex imported 341,000 barrels a day of gasoline in the first quarter, which Messmacher said was 6% above the estimate, while prices were 31% higher than anticipated.

Since Pemex sells gasoline in the domestic market at a price set by the Finance Ministry, when the price is below the cost of imported gasoline Pemex receives a tax credit to compensate for the difference.

The excise tax on gasoline becomes a negative tax and acts like a subsidy, said Deputy Finance Minister Alejandro Werner.

President Felipe Calderon said Sunday that the cost to the government of maintaining prices of gasoline, diesel and propane gas while international energy prices are soaring will be about 200 billion pesos ($19.2 billion) this year, four times what it was last year.

The decision to keep fuel prices steady was part of a series of measures that Calderon unveiled Sunday to keep rising food prices under wraps.


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How long before we start seeing significant smuggling of gasoline and diesel into the US from Mexico ?

I think its starting to look pretty tempting.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby TheDude » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 01:39:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('memmel', 'H')ow long before we start seeing significant smuggling of gasoline and diesel into the US from Mexico ?

I think its starting to look pretty tempting.


We've got a Mexico collapse watch thread going, found a story about Nortenos hopping across the border for fillups. Who knows how long before trucks start getting hijacked or tanks tapped? Or before Pemex has to forget about subsidizing prices, making the whole matter moot.

Still. Makes me think of the old days of Scottish/English border reivers.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby fluffy » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 03:53:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', 'N')o, it does makes sense - Mexico will reduce exports to the US until 2010, at which point the amount exported will be zero. Further reductions will then be halted... :lol:


Not quite. It's probably best to model Mexico+US+Canada as a single entity, since the bulk of Canadian and Mexican exports go to the US. So as Mexico drops, required imports to this North American Zone increase. And carry on increasing especially when Mexico becomes a net importer.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby newman1979 » Fri 20 Jun 2008, 14:46:22

Pemex has released it's May 08 numbers today. Crude oil production at 2,798 m/b/d is down 312,000 b/d from May 07. Exports to the US were 1,207 m/b/d, down 309,000 b/d from May 07. On a sequential basis, production was up a few thousand barrels a day over April 08. But exports were off two thousand barrels a day overall, although exports to the US were up a little.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby newman1979 » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 15:21:04

Pemex has just released July 08 data. Crude oil production was 2,782 m/b/d in July down from 3,166 m/b/d in July 07. Crude oil exports to the U.S. were 1,235 m/b/d down from 1,610 in July 07. Mexico's gasoline imports were 404.5 thousand barrels a day principally from the U.S.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby Roccland » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 15:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newman1979', 'P')emex has just released July 08 data. Crude oil production was 2,782 m/b/d in July down from 3,166 m/b/d in July 07.


ummm...that's 12%

is that a bad thing?
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby eastbay » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 15:33:18

It means they join import land in about a year and a half instead of 8 to 10 years like the 'experts' [s]have been lying[/s] are saying. It means no more budget revenue. No more corn subsidy. Relative stability replaced by chaos. And that's the optimistic scenario.


Oh, let me edit to say, excellent work posting this newman1979! Much appreciated!
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 15:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newman1979', 'P')emex has just released July 08 data. Crude oil production was 2,782 m/b/d in July down from 3,166 m/b/d in July 07. Crude oil exports to the U.S. were 1,235 m/b/d down from 1,610 in July 07. Mexico's gasoline imports were 404.5 thousand barrels a day principally from the U.S.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 15:43:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newman1979', 'P')emex has just released July 08 data. Crude oil production was 2,782 m/b/d in July down from 3,166 m/b/d in July 07. Crude oil exports to the U.S. were 1,235 m/b/d down from 1,610 in July 07. Mexico's gasoline imports were 404.5 thousand barrels a day principally from the U.S.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby newman1979 » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:52:20

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=news

Pemex also reported that output at Cantarell fell 36% to 973,688 barrels a day. As late as 2006, Cantarell was the second largest oilfield in the world. In as much as the decline rate is startling, Mexico's subsidizing gasoline needs to be reexamined as an abrupt removal of this subsidy in 2 years could be catastrophic.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby shortonoil » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:14:03

eastbay said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t means they join import land in about a year and a half instead of 8 to 10 years like the 'experts' have been lying are saying. It means no more budget revenue. No more corn subsidy. Relative stability replaced by chaos. And that's the optimistic scenario.


Mexico collects 60% of its foreign exchange currency from oil. Mexico has never been more than about one bottle of Tequila away from a revolution, anyway. When the money flow stops, which it will in about a year, the chaos will be sensational!
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby TheDude » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 18:25:25

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I don't know why more attention isn't paid to the situation in Mexico. For US citizens I think it's much more pressing than trying to peer through the veil of KSA production.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby Tanada » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 19:06:20

Heaven help us I forsee 120 million desperate Mexican citizens attempting to move north within the next three years.

I don't hate them, but I can't afford to support them either.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby DantesPeak » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 19:13:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orld News Connection

July 17, 2008

Mexico: Energy Expert David Shields Analyzes Pemex's 'Somber' Outlook

Commentary by energy expert David Shields : What Reform?


The outlook for Mexican Petroleum (Pemex) is becoming more somber with every passing day. On the one hand, the decline of Cantarell andthe drop in crude oil production and exports have accelerated. On the other hand, political conditions are not favorable for oil reform.

During June, crude oil production at Cantarell dropped by57,000 barrels per day (b/d) compared to May, for a cumulative decline of277,000 b/d in the first half of 2008, in addition to a drop of almost 1 million b/d in the previous three years. Now the scenario expected by the end of this year is that crude oil production will be close to 2.6 million b/d and exports will be nearly 1 million b/d, levels that would take us back to theyear 1990 in production and 1979 in exports. Pemex has now entered a new eraof low production, depletion of oil fields, and failure to incorporate provenreserves. So, for 2009 we will have to set volume estimates that are much lower than those in the federal budget for this year.

If not for the incredible rise in oil prices ($132 per barrel for the Mexican blend today, compared to the $49 budgeted as the averageprice for this year), we would have already had to stop considering oil to bethe pillar of the public finances and of "sovereignty." We must not forget that the extra funds from crude oil exports are being used almost entirely to pay for imports and gasoline subsidies.

The incentive contracts proposed by President Calderon areaimed at that improvement and we would just need to define and/or refine the details of the plan, ensuring adequate controls and its full legality. This contracting plan must be viewed as the minimum indispensable element of thereform, because, without it, the oil reform will not make sense and it will notbe long before we have to proceed to a painful downsizing of production andlabor at Pemex, with negative economic and social consequences.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby shortonoil » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 19:41:51

Danteseak quoted:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e must not forgetthat the extra funds from crude oil exports are being used almost entirely topay for imports and gasoline subsidies.


Thanks DP, excellent find!

With all of Mexico’s crude’s surplus revenue from higher prices going to support domestic consumption, there will undoubtedly, be very little remaining to invest in slowing their decline.

Soon the only thing coming out of Mexico is going to be Mexicans. With almost all states presently already in deep financial trouble, this is going to be the issue of the decade! But, interestingly, no one on the Hill is talking about it. Why am I not surprised!

Collapsing housing, collapsing financial system, skyrocketing energy prices and sub-orbital level prices for food. Now we have the threat of 120 million homeless, disenfranchised aliens pouring over the border. Washington’s response - problem, what problem!!
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby DantesPeak » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 21:47:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]Danteseak quoted:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e must not forgetthat the extra funds from crude oil exports are being used almost entirely topay for imports and gasoline subsidies.


Thanks DP, excellent find!

With all of Mexico’s crude’s surplus revenue from higher prices going to support domestic consumption, there will undoubtedly, be very little remaining to invest in slowing their decline.

Soon the only thing coming out of Mexico is going to be Mexicans. With almost all states presently already in deep financial trouble, this is going to be the issue of the decade! But, interestingly, no one on the Hill is talking about it. Why am I not surprised!

Collapsing housing, collapsing financial system, skyrocketing energy prices and sub-orbital level prices for food. Now we have the threat of 120 million homeless, disenfranchised aliens pouring over the border. Washington’s response - problem, what problem!!


With Mexico's imports of gsaoline and diesel constantly increasing, the point where the oil budget deficit goes into the red must be coming soon. Then it may as soon as 2010 when Mexico's net oil and oil product imports/exports turn negative.

Mexico has a history of inflationary policies, so I expect the value of the Mexican peso to go soon. While this is OT, get out of the peso now while it still has some stability (but don't buy dollars with the peso money!).


Three years ago when I first posted on Cantarell, the 'pessimistic' scenarios given looked almost impossibly bad. Well, it has turned out that the most pessimistic scenario was correct after all.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico's Cantarell Output Down 36% On Year To 1 Mln B/D

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
August 21, 2008 8:09 p.m.

MEXICO CITY (Dow Jones)--Production at Mexico's largest oil field, Cantarell, fell 36% over the past year, eroding Mexico's overall oil production and causing a sharp drop in exports.

Cantarell has left the country vulnerable to a drop in international crude prices, even though record prices have temporarily compensated for the output decline. Oil accounts for around a third of fiscal revenue in Mexico.

"New fields aren't coming on line fast enough to replace Cantarell," Pemex General Director Jesus Reyes Heroles said at a conference Thursday.

Pemex pumped 1 million barrels a day at Cantarell in July, down 556,000 barrels a day from the year-ago period and down 43,000 barrels a day from June, according to Energy Ministry data.

July exports were down 21.7% on year to 1.38 million barrels a day, mainly due to plummeting output at Cantarell. Officials warn that Mexico's exports could completely dry up in less than a decade unless Pemex finds and develops new pools of oil fast.

Since the 1980s Pemex has relied on Cantarell for the bulk of its oil production, and the company did not prepare for common problems oil firms face with middle-aged fields.



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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby seahorse » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 23:09:57

I don't have anything to really add except my sentiments having watched this evolve since 2004 also. Back then, the MSM/optimist virtually completely denied that Cantarall was even going into decline. It was such a shock to most pundits, like the Lynch crowd, when Cantarell was admittedly in decline. Then, the infamous insider report that it would decline at anywhere from 5%-40%, but everyone believed about 5%. The 40% scenario, like the failure of the fannie mae and freddie was so horrible that it wasn't really even discussed as a possibility. Well, we're there. Just like the Yibel field, most unfortunate. Maybe the world can do without this field, but Mexico cannot. It will create a crisis on our border beyond what anyone anticipates right now.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Postby eastbay » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 23:32:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I') don't have anything to really add except my sentiments having watched this evolve since 2004 also. Back then, the MSM/optimist virtually completely denied that Cantarall was even going into decline. It was such a shock to most pundits, like the Lynch crowd, when Cantarell was admittedly in decline. Then, the infamous insider report that it would decline at anywhere from 5%-40%, but everyone believed about 5%. The 40% scenario, like the failure of the fannie mae and freddie was so horrible that it wasn't really even discussed as a possibility. Well, we're there. Just like the Yibel field, most unfortunate. Maybe the world can do without this field, but Mexico cannot. It will create a crisis on our border beyond what anyone anticipates right now.


So true. Each year 1.5 to two million Mexicans are illegally crossing into the USA along the southern border and they're primarily doing so for much higher paid employment. That a fairly strong motivation to risk it all. Who wouldn't take a chance like that for a five to 10 fold increase in salary.

At some point next year they'll start crossing in much larger numbers and this time it'll be to avoid starvation. Hunger is a much more powerful motivator than higher pay. By 2010 it'll be a flood and there's little the USA can do to stop it. There is no question at all that those living near the southern borders will get hammered hard by this influx of desperate and starving humanity. They will number in the millions and they'll be hungry and broke... doing whatever it takes to secure a meal. Several times a day.

It's going to be a catastrophic economic disaster for any populated areas from Brownsville to San Diego. It's now hard to even begin to comprehend how dangerous things will become for those living along the border today.
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