[Jupidu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re you another who won't tolerate a different point of view?

[Cashmere]

Graeme is still crackers.

Graeme - 2 things.

1. You joined this site in 2005, when oil was about 50 bucks a barrel.

To what do you attribute the run up of over 140% since your membership began if not to supply and demand?

If you do attribute it to supply and demand, then why don't you see the trend continuing?


2. What the hell do you spend so much time here for? Seriously, you're like the sworn meat eater spamming the vegan board as to the health benefits of red meat.

Why do you care so much?

Personally, I don't mind you at all - there are at least 2 bungholes who are POers on this site who I despise (rhymes with "Sister Chill" and "Rant Has a Way") and who I'd rather see go before you.

But, nonetheless, I don't get why you'd care about it enough to post here non-stop.

For example, I think Israel is a racist, war mongering abomination of a country, but I don't post for 3 years on the hebrewrocks.com website trying to convince them of the error of their ways.

I guess what I'm saying, Graeme, is that it stinks of you having an inside interest in this.

So that's what puzzles me about you. You're either bizarrely fixated on this, or you have an inside interest.

The first, I wouldn't mind at all and I'd welcome the different perspective. The second, would bug me.

[Aaron]

Many on our little planet are perfectly willing to pursue an agenda which benefits themselves in some fashion, even if it has terrible consequences for others.

Same as it ever was.

It is a valid observation however that constant spamming does bury more important threads in the forum.

I'll give this some attention and take any steps necessary to curtail this effect.

In fact, can our Moderators please examine this issue with our COC spamming policy in mind?

Thanks.

[cipi604]

I'm sorry to say this but a lot of people here have big problems with logic. I think technology will save some, but most of us won't survive.It's pretty clear for me, I don't really know the logic of Graeme and I don't understand it.
Or maybe NZ will be fine, and that's all he cares about.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'M')any on our little planet are perfectly willing to pursue an agenda which benefits themselves in some fashion, even if it has terrible consequences for others.

Same as it ever was.

It is a valid observation however that constant spamming does bury more important threads in the forum.

I'll give this some attention and take any steps necessary to curtail this effect.

In fact, can our Moderators please examine this issue with our COC spamming policy in mind?

Thanks.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat puzzles me is why you are here.

[Heineken]

I'd like to put in a word of support for Graeme. Yes, his positions are sometimes unreasonably optimistic, but he's a sober and mature contributor and has done much good work here.

Don't attack Graeme, attack his ideas and biases. That's where the fair playing field lies.

[Ludi]

Labeling something as "hysteria" does not seem a reasoned argument to me. Something more akin to ad hominem.

[Heineken]

I agree with that, Ludi. This is one of those cases where Graeme's judgment seems unreasonable, and I made allowance for that in my post.

[mididoctors]

a few hard core "debunkers" are not a bad thing...

even as a Bias check.

Its easy to avoid a thread or press the ignore button.. I don't see the problem myself but will defer to the majority as it were.

the odd thing I find about this thread is the data presented really goes someway to supporting the notion that the consensus "the near peakers have it" is not unreasonable and the far peakers are a new REACTIONARY response trying to reduce "the hysteria"

thats my take..

Boris
London

[Pops]

As to the original question I think if one would go to the BP charting tool and click on the chart of proven reserves to production they would see a ten year long plateau which illustrates quite nicely the basic rational behind a closer rather than more distant peak.

Oh and don't forget that a good portion of those reserve numbers have been called into question due to the benefits of citing inflated reserves.

It won't matter the amount pumped when R/P ration starts going downhill.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'G')raeme, your quoted posts speak for you. If you don't believe the quotes you are posting, why are you even posting them in the first place? I now think that you are afraid of peak oil.

Attack on you is outrageous? You call that an attack? What is outrageous is the fact that you have the gall to continue cluttering up and spamming this board with massive amounts of cornucopian techno-fantasy bs topics. I don't really care if you believe or don't believe in peak oil. Believe whatever you want. But remember that this still is a peak oil forum. Not a 'technology is going to save us' forum.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'G')raeme, given all that you must know from your participation in this website, do you really believe we are 20 to 30 years from peak?

Is that what the markets are telling us?

What is the opposite of hysteria? Complacency. Which is more likely to provoke action that can fend off total disaster?
?

[mididoctors]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'G')raeme, given all that you must know from your participation in this website, do you really believe we are 20 to 30 years from peak?

Is that what the markets are telling us?

What is the opposite of hysteria? Complacency. Which is more likely to provoke action that can fend off total disaster?
?

[madjack]

Hi everyone, I’m new to this forum. I found you via a google gadget called “Peak Oil News” I clicked on the headline “Peak Oil Hysteria” and found a full scale war going on between two people who seem to have been at it for a long time!... I don’t want to get caught in the middle of the fight between the troll and the priest of peak oil..BUT isn’t a forum/discussion board all about opinions and discussion? Is this the Church Of Peak Oil? I’m not saying I agree with Graeme, that technology will save us all...but I find Drifter’s “get lost if you aren’t a believer” POV offensive... IMHO, new technology will go some way, if not all the way to taking over from oil, especially when it hits $300 - $400 a barrel. Money is the mother of invention. We aren’t going to descend into the new middle ages, walking behind horses pulling ploughs again, unless most of the world’s population is wiped out by bird flu. Anyway, I’m enjoying reading, so carry on. Cheers, Mark

[Twilight]

A more interesting exercise would be to take a couple of dozen predictions from the last couple of years and observe both the heavy clustering around 2010 and near absence of dates beyond 2015. I have seen such a table of course, which is why I know what it will show. Interestingly, a number of investment banks do not endorse the optimists' expectations.

[Novus]

This thread has absolutely no substance at all and since it has been turned into flame war I vote moving it to the hall of flames.

[BigTex]

Graeme, here is a suggestion: perhaps you could begin submitting some of these articles to be posted on the news page rather than in the forums.

Also, when you post an excerpt from a story and the link to the story, maybe you could post the significance of the story or some commentary if the purpose of the post is to start a discussion.

That shows that you thought about it yourself and have a starting point for relevance.

Think of it like the peakoil.com equivalent of a self-addressed stamped return envelope.

As for those who are flaming Graeme, there is no reason for that. If you don't like what he posts, don't reply.

But Graeme, I think there may be a couple of things you can do to make your posts more useful (see above).

[hironegro]

Graeme you a baby boomer or an attention whore?

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'I')f you don't believe in peak oil, why in the hell are you even here?