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Kitco?

Postby Bedevere » Mon 29 Aug 2005, 23:13:39

Does anyone here have any experience dealing with Kitco (http://www.kitco.com/)?
If so...
-your thoughts?
-quality products? condition (if not new)?
-discreet packaging?
-timely delivery?
etc etc

I have heard they are pretty good but this would be a big help.
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Re: Kitco?

Postby drattom » Mon 29 Aug 2005, 23:36:18

I ordered from them 4-5 times and the only problem I had was I ordered gold maple leafs and they sent by mistake gold bars instead. They called me to ask me if I prefer to return the bars to exchange for coins or keep them and put the difference for my next buying.
Everytime I recommend to a friend to buy gold I refer them to Kitco.

I never got old products, always new ones in perfect condition.

Package are boxes or cushioned envelopes depending on the size of your order. The only indication that it can be something of value it's the sender address and even there, if somebody reads it, he needs to know what kitco sells to it can be great value.

I always received delivery in 3-4 business days.

Only thing I don't like is the pools, I need to sell and buy coins with money. It's a great transaction fee. I don't like pool, there is no official papers, they only have my address. If I die, can my succession get the money? When I want to put money in a gold account for future delivery, I use goldmoney, I can pay kitco orders with it.
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What happened to Kitco?

Postby hope_full » Sun 26 Oct 2008, 18:05:45

I went there today to look at silver prices and availability and they're showing only TWO bullion products: Silver bars for $9,810 and gold bars for $298,000. That's it.

What's up with that?
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Re: What happened to Kitco?

Postby Micki » Sun 26 Oct 2008, 19:02:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'I') went there today to look at silver prices and availability and they're showing only TWO bullion products: Silver bars for $9,810 and gold bars for $298,000. That's it.

What's up with that?


You just started looking at investing in PM's ?
Sounds like you completely missed the fact that there has been physical shortages the last 6 months, mints have suspended productions and physical market has decoupled from the heavily manipulated paper market.

I myself have tried to capture important news and a bit on analysis in THIS THREAD
If you haven't already checked it out, I suggest you at least skim through the whole thing as it should help give a picture of the situation.

and good luck


By the way, Kitco used to take orders (and your money) and deliver when product became available. Often there was a 2+ month waiting time. I do believe they have stopped with this as it is perceived as fradulent when accepting orders without knowing if or when product is available.
It is also believed among many analysts that Kitco may have used their pool accounts to lease out and they may be in trouble if price explodes (and so would the investors be who put their trust in Kitco and may end up losing it all).
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Re: What happened to Kitco?

Postby hope_full » Sun 26 Oct 2008, 20:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou just started looking at investing in PM's ?
Sounds like you completely missed the fact that there has been physical shortages the last 6 months, mints have suspended productions and physical market has decoupled from the heavily manipulated paper market.


Why jump to conclusions so quickly? Did anything in my post create the impression that I'm an idiot?

To answer your presumptuous-as-hell question, NO, I did NOT just start looking at investing precious metals. Were that the case, how would I know what Kitco looked like SEVERAL MONTHS AGO?

I'm posting a lot less these days on this site, as it seems like folks are so angry and taking out their wrath on fellow posters.

Yeesh.

Why not just answer the question at hand here?

My point is, Kitco now has - for all practical purposes - ceased selling bullion at their website. They're down to two products (as mentioned in my original post), which is a radical departure from their business practices of a scant two weeks ago. This is a significant shift in a very short period of time.
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Re: What happened to Kitco?

Postby Micki » Sun 26 Oct 2008, 20:50:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou just started looking at investing in PM's ?
Sounds like you completely missed the fact that there has been physical shortages the last 6 months, mints have suspended productions and physical market has decoupled from the heavily manipulated paper market.


Why jump to conclusions so quickly? Did anything in my post create the impression that I'm an idiot?

To answer your presumptuous-as-hell question, NO, I did NOT just start looking at investing precious metals. Were that the case, how would I know what Kitco looked like SEVERAL MONTHS AGO?

I'm posting a lot less these days on this site, as it seems like folks are so angry and taking out their wrath on fellow posters.

Yeesh.

Why not just answer the question at hand here?

My point is, Kitco now has - for all practical purposes - ceased selling bullion at their website. They're down to two products (as mentioned in my original post), which is a radical departure from their business practices of a scant two weeks ago. This is a significant shift in a very short period of time.


Talk about taking out anger....
I gave a response that seemed appropriate to your post and I did do my best to respond regarding Kitco given the little background you've given.
Don't worry I won't respond any more to your posts.
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Re: What happened to Kitco?

Postby eastbay » Sun 26 Oct 2008, 20:56:29

It's not just Kitco. The local PM dealer in Portland is now almost solely a buyer and not a seller of PM's.

This weak supply situation should lead to MUCH higher prices in the near term. This would be true under 'normal' conditions, but what we now have isn't anything close to 'normal'.
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On the metals sideline...best jump onboard. pt 2

Postby JJ » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 11:27:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'b')ought some silver yesterday at $15.33 not too shabby.... $16 was originally my buy point but that got blown out of the water!

Lets see what happens in the coming weeks, maybe $14 or even $13?

Are you paying a premium? I think I'm gonna buy some more...(oh, and the euro thing didn't work out...:( )
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby ColossalContrarian » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:04:42

By the time all is said and done, the 10oz's bar will have been purchased at $17.79 an oz including shipping and handling.

Yes, that is quite the markup ($2.46) but cheaper than all the local dealers who are $4-$5 over spot -and actually that's not a fair comparison because they sell American Eagles and not bullion bars.

I plan on holding my silver stash for about 20 years (I'm 31) so the hope is that over the next 20 years silver goes up above $17.79oz

Anybody getting better deals?
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Jotapay » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:07:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'A')nybody getting better deals?
APMEX has silver maple leafs for $17.42 right now with $24 shipping and whatever your bank charges for a wire transfer.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Olaf » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:22:07

Ok, so I don't have to sift through 50 pages...what are some good places to buy silver? Coins, bars? How do you sell your silver when you want to cash some in and so that you are getting a fair market price? I'd thought about this before and never acted on it. I'm reconsidering.

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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Arsenal » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:36:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Olaf', 'w')hat are some good places to buy silver? Coins, bars? How do you sell your silver when you want to cash some in and so that you are getting a fair market price?
link (Solid rep, only sell what they have in stock, they don't float your money)

link (I have never used them but have heard good things)

link (Hit or miss with these guys. You always get your metals but they sometimes have huge delays.)

link (Great prices, ships fast, 500 oz minimum!!)

Local coin dealers.... Most people love them or hate them. Me.. I buy online and when the gold/silver ratio moves, I exchange through a local dealer. (Avoiding Taxes/paper trail) In fact I just did this. When I bought silver the ratio was 100 silver oz to 1 oz of gold. When it hit 58/1 I traded in 116 SAE's for 2 GAE's. The ratio is back to almost 70 but when it hits 80-85, I will change those 2 GAE for 170 SAE. Essentially getting 54 SAE's for free. :)

The only time I care about the price of silver is when I buy. I haven't sold yet and really don't plan on it but I will keep working the ratio. :)
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Jotapay » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:39:21

I've always used APMEX. They have pretty good prices and only show what is in stock.

You can sell silver on ebay or craigslist. 1 ounce silver coins are selling for around $20 on ebay.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Arsenal » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 12:52:11

As far as coins vs bars.... Personally preference. Here is my experience.

1. 90% silver coins. Pros: Most of the time it is cheaper per oz, highly recognized, not worth counterfeiting, still legal tender, theorized to be the best SHTF currency. Cons: You can lose money in the sell back, bulky to store compared to bars

2. Silver American Eagles. Pros: Highly recognized, hard to counterfeit, great sell back premiums, legal tender. Cons: Extremely high premiums

3. Silver bars 1-100 oz. Pros: Lower premiums, still transportable, best option if you are working the G/S ratio. Cons: Hard selling for good price if the bar is not from a recognized company,

4. Silver bar 1000oz. Pros: Lowest premium Cons: Unbelievably heavy bastards, not easily divisible in SHTF situation.

I personally keep a core holding that I do not touch. Some 90% and SAE's that I do not use to work the ratio. The 10-100 oz bars I keep around just to get into gold american eagles.

Selling has been really easy. Gold and silver are still one of the most liquid assets to own.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby JJ » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 13:13:34

yeah, I've always bought from Paul Sims, but called them and 380 a roll for SAE (19. each) ugghhh.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Roy » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 14:08:52

Coin shop in my town as of yesterday:

SAE : $25@
Rounds: $20@

I asked him what he would pay for silver rounds or SAE's

Rounds $12@ with spot at ~$16 (seriously wtf)
SAEs: Spot.

He won't be getting any of my business.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Olaf » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 14:10:56

So, it seems I could surmise many coin shops sort of operate like pawn shops?

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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Jotapay » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 14:22:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Olaf', 'S')o, it seems I could surmise many coin shops sort of operate like pawn shops?
More or less.
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Re: For those of you on the metals sideline...best jump onboard.

Postby Arsenal » Fri 05 Feb 2010, 14:34:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'C')oin shop in my town as of yesterday: SAE : $25@ Rounds: $20@
I asked him what he would pay for silver rounds or SAE's : Rounds $12@ with spot at ~$16 (seriously wtf) SAEs: Spot.
He won't be getting any of my business.
Woof. That sucks. Here at the shop I use the prices are a bit better.
Buying:
SAE $23
Rounds $17

Selling:
SAE $1 over spot
Rounds $-0.50 under spot
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