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Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby angrybill » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 08:00:57

Earth to moon is 1.3 sec (0ne way)
Sun to Earth is 8 minutes
Voyager 1 is 3 hrs traveling out of our solar system
25 trillion is proxy central
1 light year equals 6 trillion miles (amazing)
Sirus is 8.6 light years away i.e. 8.6 light years
Vegas is 25 light years so 25 light years away
Betegeuse is 500 light years away
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I'm so glad the speed of light is so slow..
If light speed is the constant then God made everything beyond our ability to conceive beyond the speed of light, although I know it does exist.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 09:07:02

When I was a kid I'd have sworn my mom hitting me up side the head was faster than the speed of light... isn't it all supposed to be relative? (and not my relative?)
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Niagara » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 10:11:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k, what is faster than the speed of light?

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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 10:22:06

I thought I had read that x-rays are able to escape black holes since they travel faster than light which is what allowed the black holes to be detected, but can't find a reference at the moment.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 11:06:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'I') thought I had read that x-rays are able to escape black holes since they travel faster than light which is what allowed the black holes to be detected, but can't find a reference at the moment.


The X-rays from black holes are from outside the hole where tidal forces are ripping the incoming object into particle mush. The energy of the object being torn apart is released as a unidirectional X-ray burst, the portion facing the black hole is absorbed but the rest is emitted away from the hole.

X-ray photons like all other photons travle at light speed, but contrary to popular knowledge light speed changes depending on what the light is passing through. Pure vacuum is fastest of course, but intersteller dust and gas slow the light we see and the denser the medium the greater the slowing effect. Air is more than space, water is more than air, glass is more than water (for the same thickness).
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 11:14:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('angrybill', 'I')'m so glad the speed of light is so slow..
If light speed is the constant then God made everything beyond our ability to conceive beyond the speed of light, although I know it does exist.

Well here is a cosmological puzzle for you Bill. With the Hubble Space Telescope we have looked as far as we can into space in all directions. In every direction we look we can see light around 13.5 Billion years old. IOW the furthest we can see is 13.5 ly, but we can see that distance in all directions.

If the Universe started with a Big Bang does than mean we are dead center cause all the edges are equidistant from us?

Or does it mean when you see out 13.5 Billion light years the image is curving through space time and showing you the view looking back in towards yourself?

Or does it mean there was no Big Bang, the Universe was created all at once 13.5 Billion years ago and is falling away from itself at an increasing rate as we watch?

Hard to beleive our Sol is so close to the age of the whole Universe.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby cloudysky » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 12:56:20

Faster-than-lightons are faster than light.
The next dimension is not limited by speed, since time is the fourth dimension.
Just pop into the 5th, go where you want, and come back.

Information can travel faster than light, but it has to go through dimension 5.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 13:10:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cloudysky', '[')b]Information can travel faster than light, but it has to go through dimension 5.

Thanks. I'll try to remember that.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby efarmer » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 13:26:59

Yeah, Up Up and Away, with the 5th Dimension.
Why don't I ever think of the cool stuff like that?
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby cloudysky » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 13:41:23

Don't say this name backwards or you could be stuck there for 160 days.

Mxyzptlk's pronounced as Miks-ill-plik (backwards, Kilp-ill-skim)

Don't do it.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 14:14:09

A politician chasing a dollar bill?
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Chuckmak » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 14:56:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'W')hen I was a kid I'd have sworn my mom hitting me up side the head was faster than the speed of light... isn't it all supposed to be relative? (and not my relative?)

did we have the same mom? :lol:
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby angrybill » Sun 04 Jan 2009, 21:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')ell here is a cosmological puzzle for you Bill. With the Hubble Space Telescope we have looked as far as we can into space in all directions. In every direction we look we can see light around 13.5 Billion years old. IOW the furthest we can see is 13.5 ly, but we can see that distance in all directions. ...
Hard to beleive our Sol is so close to the age of the whole Universe.

The 13.7billion limited is an interesting point and all this space and time stuff is bafflingly amazing. God spoke the universe(s) into existance. With all the intellect in this world were not even close to knowing the shape of the universe. Is it the shape of a donut, fish tank, parallel sheets with connecting worm holes with alternate realities. I think the theory is the universe is flat and expanding with no known boundaries but who really knows.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby cloudysky » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 11:35:26

There was no big bang.
The view at 14 billion years shows many galaxies that look just like ours.
at 10 billion years the galaxies look like ours
at 8 billion years the galaxies look like ours
at 5 billion the galaxies look like ours
at 2 billion the galaxies look like ours
at 1 billion the galaxies look like ours.
Astronomers know this yet they do not talk about it. isn't that weird? there is no obvious development of the universe for 15 billion years.

Now here is the crux. are you ready for this?
Stars do no last for 15 billion years.... when you think about this the result can be only one thing, and it is mind bending. There is no big bang.

it is so obvious a school child can understand it, yet because the master minds have studied for decades and been taugh error they refuse to throw all their learned systems in the trash, they keep hopefully wishing and modifying theories to take in these changes (Oh the universe is much older than we think obviously)

But in doing so they forget the simple things, stars dont last 30 billion years.... its all a farce The universe was created 6000 years ago, and the light was created simultaneously with that, now that is power. like man was created with blood in his veins already, the universe was created with light streaming through it already.

because stars were created for us to SEE it makes no sense to create the universe and have to wait 15 billlion years to see the light... He just created the light enroute. there is no other explanation that fits the pieces. There is one powerful creative God there that can speak and it is.

There is no dark matter there is other dimensions. Hubble disproves any big bang you can come up with because whatever theory you invent, all yo have to do is look half that far and it would blow that theory out of the water because stars dont last 15 billion years....

or you can be like the astronomers and ignore this post, call me names and come up withb orther garbage
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby davep » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 13:45:47

Is gravity faster than light? I asked a bloke who had done physics to a high level and he reckoned it wasn't, but couldn't remember how he knew this. Any ideas?
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 14:36:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')s gravity faster than light? I asked a bloke who had done physics to a high level and he reckoned it wasn't, but couldn't remember how he knew this. Any ideas

In theory yes gravity is faster than light because gravirty is a dent in the curvature of space time whereas light is a wavicle that travles through spacetime.

In theory we can test this if we can figure out a way to create artificial gravity, what you would do is have two objects with gravity detectors equiped with atomic clocks a light minute or more apart. Then you make your artificial gravity next to one of the objects and look at the time record when the effect was detected at each location, if the time lag is different then the light lag you will have prooof.
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby davep » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 14:51:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')n theory yes gravity is faster than light because gravirty is a dent in the curvature of space time whereas light is a wavicle that travles through spacetime. ... Then you make your artificial gravity next to one of the objects and look at the time record when the effect was detected at each location, if the time lag is different then the light lag you will have prooof.

Wouldn't it be easier to just measure interactions of massive objects (such as planets or comets and the sun) to see if they are attracted to where the heavier object was relative to the speed of light? i.e., is there a lag greater than the speed of light (so gravity being slower than light) or a more instantaneous attraction?
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 16:51:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'W')ouldn't it be easier to just measure interactions of massive objects (such as planets or comets and the sun) to see if they are attracted to where the heavier object was relative to the speed of light? i.e., is there a lag greater than the speed of light (so gravity being slower than light) or a more instantaneous attraction?

The rate of this energy loss ("gravitational damping") can be measured, and since it depends on the speed of gravity, comparing the measured values to theory shows that the speed of gravity is equal to the speed of light to within 1%. []
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Re: Ok, what is faster than the speed of light

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 16:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..you can be like the astronomers and ignore this post, call me names and come up withb orther garbage

Nice... if someone disagrees with you it's garbage eh? Beautiful area where you live BTW.
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