Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Non-OPEC Members Discussion

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 22:07:34

The "The OPEC/non-OPEC crossover event" on dieoff.org

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]THE PEAK OF WORLD OIL PRODUCTION AND THE ROAD TO THE OLDUVAI GORGE
Richard C. Duncan, Ph.D. / November 13, 2000

Image
Notes: (1) World oil production is forecast to peak in 2006. (2) The OPEC/non-OPEC crossover event occurs in 2008. (3) The OPEC nations' rate of oil production from 1985 to 1999 increased by 9.33 times that of the non-OPEC nations.

Figure 1 shows the historic world oil production data from 1960 to 1999 and our forecasts from 2000 to 2040. Note that the overall growth rate of oil production slowed from 1960 to 1999 (curve 1). In detail: The average rate of growth from 1960 to 1973 was a whopping 6.65 %/year. Next, from 1973 to 1979 growth slowed to 1.49 %/year. Then, from 1979 to 1999, it slowed yet further to a glacial 0.75 %/year. Moving beyond the historic period, Forecast #5 predicts that world oil production will reach its all-time peak in 2006. Then from its peak in 2006 to year 2040 world oil production will fall by 58.8 % — an average decline of 2.45 %/year during these 34 years.

The OPEC/non-OPEC crossover event is predicted to occur in 2008 (Figure 1, curves 2 &3). This event will divide the world into two camps: one with surplus oil, the other with none. Forecast #5 presents the following scenario. (1) Beginning in 2008 the 11 OPEC nations will produce more than 50% of the world's oil. (2) Thereafter OPEC will control nearly 100% of the world’s oil exports. (3) BP Amoco (2000) puts OPEC's "proved reserves" at 77.6% of the world total. (4) OPEC production from 1985 to 1999 grew at a strong average rate of 3.46 %/year. In contrast, non-OPEC production grew at sluggish 0.37 %/year during this same 14-year period. ...

Inevitable as rain, just was a matter of time.
babystrangeloop
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 04:34:57

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 12:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'N')o big surprises here, but this is another example that peak oil is becoming more mainstream.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he supermajors are finding it harder and harder to pry away the remaining megaprojects from state-run oil companies. [/url]


I think this (nationalization) combined with ELM is really gonna jump up and slap us.

The amount of oil China has already locked up with exclusive contracts is just as effectively off the market as if those barrels were right under Beijing. Jeffrey Brown has a rough chart showing that when you subtract producing nation's internal use and Chinese imports, the amount of oil available for export has been declining for 4 or 5 years now - it's basically 5 years past peak for importing nations.

Oakley or someone was going off in another thread about how incompetent and inefficient our government is in allocating resources and I think that's right, markets are great at efficiently exploiting resources at the lowest cost - when they are abundant. The problem with that position is obvious, when it becomes clear that cheap global oil is on the wane, exporting nations will not simply sit back and allow multinationals to continue draining off this most important of resources. Even King Abdullah has said as much about KSAs exports and he gets 100%

Luckily the US still has a lot of FFs and that's a good thing because I wouldn't be surprised to see a "political" peak in available exports before a geologic peak. But as the amount of oil on the export market declines and the price rises relative to the wage of the average Prole, I'd not be surprised to see the US start exporting more crude and finished product...

And when the proles start to howl, we'll see how much the US is really interested in deregulation and free markets.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
User avatar
Pops
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 19746
Joined: Sat 03 Apr 2004, 04:00:00
Location: QuikSac for a 6-Pac

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby ian807 » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 15:38:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'L')uckily the US still has a lot of FFs and that's a good thing because I wouldn't be surprised to see a "political" peak in available exports before a geologic peak.

I tend to agree. I think that as oil really starts getting scarce and expensive and the world's militaries realize how dependent they are on the stuff, that large portions will suddenly just become unavailable as countries like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, et. al. simply take their supplies off the world market and allocate it exclusively for domestic consumption.

If enough countries hoard oil at the same time, I think it breaks the world's supply chains in an irrevocable fashion. (Perhaps not, if we've switched enough of the transportation sector to natural gas, but I don't see that happening). Afterwards, I don't know if anyone could drill in places like the Antarctic or the Gulf of Mexico for more oil, even if they wanted to. Then, I think we're finished with oil as a major energy source.
User avatar
ian807
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 899
Joined: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 04:00:00

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby dsula » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 15:41:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', ' ')countries like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, et. al. simply take their supplies off the world market and allocate it exclusively for domestic consumption.
.

How can that be? Most of the exporting countries are uttelry dependent on oil revenue. More likely they starve their own population to still be able to export.
User avatar
dsula
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 982
Joined: Wed 13 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 16:39:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', ' ')countries like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, et. al. simply take their supplies off the world market and allocate it exclusively for domestic consumption.
.

How can that be? Most of the exporting countries are uttelry dependent on oil revenue. More likely they starve their own population to still be able to export.

Gaddafi won't.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
User avatar
Pops
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 19746
Joined: Sat 03 Apr 2004, 04:00:00
Location: QuikSac for a 6-Pac
Top

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby ian807 » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 17:47:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', ' ')countries like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, et. al. simply take their supplies off the world market and allocate it exclusively for domestic consumption.
.

How can that be? Most of the exporting countries are uttelry dependent on oil revenue. More likely they starve their own population to still be able to export.

At a certain point, priorities change, particularly when the military is involved (or is the government). Of course, this isn't an either/or proposition either. Should Russia, Iran and Venezuela one day decide to keep half of their oil exclusively for domestic consumption, the result might be the same, particularly if it was done later in the game when we're well into the downward slide. Say, 2020 to 2025 or thereabouts.
User avatar
ian807
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 899
Joined: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby dorlomin » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 19:55:15

In peace time the millitary is unlikely to be all that big a consumer in most countries. Even the US is only something like 400 000 barrels a day. The days of the British Empire needing 15 35 000 tonne battle ships\ battle cruisers are gone. As are the days of 400 ship navies for all but the US.

Iraq was invaded and occupied by 5 divisions, in WWII era a similar operation would have likely been 40-50 divisions (the WWII occupation is not a good analogy as it was a desert kingdom with a few militia on camels then). Unless you are mounting a global expiditionary force, millitary fuel consumption is likely to be pretty low.
User avatar
dorlomin
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 03:00:00

Re: Has Peak Oil Come To The Non-Opec World?

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sat 03 Sep 2011, 17:02:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', ' ')countries like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, et. al. simply take their supplies off the world market and allocate it exclusively for domestic consumption.

How can that be? Most of the exporting countries are uttelry dependent on oil revenue. More likely they starve their own population to still be able to export.

I'm going to assume you are being serious about your statement, dsula.

We should be so lucky if the situation improves until the worst offense against the people of nations exporting oil is merely starvation. As-is things that happen to them are far worse.

Supporting evidence:
http://www.sweetcrudemovie.com/
babystrangeloop
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 04:34:57
Top

Previous

Return to Peak Oil Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron