[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'M')ore Euro Diesel Hype. The Euro Test Cycle substantially inflates the fuel economy numbers. The Toyota Prius is rated @ 4.3L/100km (54.7 MPG) Combined in the Euro Test cycle.

[eastbay]

I wish they could get the price down a bit. With $5,000 down, it's still about $500/mo for 48 months after freight, taxes, licensing, and a few options.

VW used to be the place to go for those on limited budgets. No more.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he EPA rates the 2009 Jetta TDI @ 29/40 (Automatic) 30/41 (Six Speed Manual)

[SteinarN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')EPA Federal Test Procedure

Here's a classic example of Euro Diesel Hype

2009 Jetta BlueTDI Comes to US This Summer, Sports 60 MPG and Cleaner Emissions

The EPA rates the 2009 Jetta TDI @ 29/40 (Automatic) 30/41 (Six Speed Manual)

In This Review they're averaging 7.4L/100km (31.7 MPG) Overall.

[SteinarN]

And here is the -05 Passat with the 2L common rail diesel.

New test, old test, actual:
27, 31, 37 mpg.

-05 Passat 2.0L Diesel mpg

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he EPA rates the 2009 Jetta TDI @ 29/40 (Automatic) 30/41 (Six Speed Manual)

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SteinarN', 'W')hen destilling crude oil only a small fraction is gasoline and a larger fraction is diesel and an even larger fraction is heavier molecules than diesel. To make the current needed amount of gasoline it is necessarry do "crack" the higher molecular weight molecules into smaller as in gasoline. As the available crude oil is getting ever more heavy more cracking is necessarry to produce the same amount of gasoline. So in order to make more diesel it is not necessarry to make gasoline in the first place, just to reconfigure the crackers to crack the heavy crude oil into a bit less light molecules like diesel instead of the very light gasoline molecules.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he EPA rates the 2009 Jetta TDI @ 29/40 (Automatic) 30/41 (Six Speed Manual)

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SteinarN', '
')
Well, interesting link to EPA federal test procedure.

I could'n find the -09 Jetta, but I found the -06 Jetta among other with diesel engines. It shows the mileage both with the new and the old test procedure. But even more interesting is it that they apparently has a number of everydays test drivers reporting their actual fuel consumption. For the -06 Jetta with diesel engine it is 60 drivers/cars reporting their actual fuel consumption/mileage.

-06 Jetta 1.9L diesel combined:
New test: 33 mpg.
Old: 38 mpg.
Actual: 42.3 mpg average.
The actual test drivers range between 34 and 55 mpg.

Jetta mpg EPA and actual

[SteinarN]

Ok, I see some people argue we (US) should continue driving large cars with large V8 or V6 petrol engines and automatic transmission.

I understand you argue that those cars is as fuel efficient as we can make any car and people arguing there is way more fuel efficient, decent sized cars is plain wrong

[SteinarN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')The problem with user reported numbers is they're not scientific/accurate/confirmed and include numbers posted by conservative drivers, hyper-milers and people with a particular bias or motivation.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SteinarN', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')The problem with user reported numbers is they're not scientific/accurate/confirmed and include numbers posted by conservative drivers, hyper-milers and people with a particular bias or motivation.

[vision-master]

Cheap used compacts will get around 35 mpg highway for $6,000 or less.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'T')heir Urban Test Cycle Rates The Toyota Prius at a more realistic 5.0L/100km (47 MPG).

[SteinarN]

Thanks for some suport, yesplease.

[yesplease]

NP, although it's not exactly about support, just trying to get the facts straight. If it ever gets to America it'll certainly have a niche as a high mileage station wagon. Something that not many mention is the ability to tow a half ton+, which isn't something the Prius should do according to the owners manual.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'A')s for the second one, I still don't see where the hype is. They drove the Jetta and found...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, in our hands, the TDI is averaging 7.4 L/100 km, which is pretty good considering we didn't do much highway mileage

[SteinarN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'I')f it ever gets to America it'll certainly have a niche as a high mileage station wagon.

[SteinarN]

MarkJ, have you ever been driving a modern diesel?

I have driven numerous modern diesels. I can tell you for sure it is very easy to drive highway/countryside with modest speed acheiving 10-20% higher mileage than stated in the extra urban european numbers! This may also be the case for petrol cars as well. What I want to say is that these numbers is not inflated! Look at the real mileage numbers for different cars here and here and here and here.

Edit: sorry the links didn't work as anticipated.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SteinarN', 'M')arkJ, have you ever been driving a modern diesel?