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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 10:55:57

Yeah I know, generalisations suck, but we are kind of stuck with them to some extent.
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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 11:48:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
') Now Banksters, there's a group of people I can hate.


Many think that anti-semitism is a variation of racism, so there you go.
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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby Vogelzang » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 20:59:31

Don't believe this BS. Siberia is where the commies used to exile their dissendents. Of course, they claim they're happy. There's no free speech there.
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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 21:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '6')strings:

is there a person alive involved in this genocide?
What the USA owes native Americans is what we call a 'fair go'.


But by what cultural terms are you defining a "fair go?" I assume you mean full assimilation into the timeclock punching, no vacations, keeping up with the Jones workaholic suburban lifestyle. Maybe American Indians just can't do that without losing the last bit of what's left of their culture.

And they don't all just lay around by the way. I don't have the numbers, but I read somewhere once that they disproportionately serve in the armed forces. The Navajo codetalkers alone were a great asset in WWII -- the Japanese had no way to decode the Navajo language.

The fundamental problem of reservations is just that they are pockets of generational poverty. It's not even about Indians per se, you can find pockets of white poverty in Appalachia.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat means fair land rights not the right to sit and drink themselves to oblivion and gamble whatever is left then go begging for daipers and baby food. It also means if they can use an alarm clock and show up like any of the other 200+ races working in the USA, they deserve a job. More than what they deserve is what they need. And that aint more welfare b/s.


Alcoholism isn't all their fault. Whites have lived with alcohol many thousands of years longer than natives:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;We have shown that Native Americans, who have a high rate of alcoholism, do not have these protective genes."
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html


So you see, it's genetics.. whereas you can be a casual drinker and be fine, to them it's much more dangerous.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')act is on these communities the people hold each other down to the lowest common denominator. There is no respect for the individual and their personal effort.


That's true of all pockets of poverty, including white communities. It's a tough issue to solve, whether we're talking about American Indians, Australian aboriginals, or generationally poor white communities in Mississippi or West Virginia or Ohio.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t least this guy has made a break from that; we will probably never see how far he gets.
I wish him all the best.


We can agree on that. Sounds exciting, a new culture in a new place.. that's what life should be about anyway, enjoying it. You've posted before about expats packing up and moving to the Philippines.. this is the same situation here, and let's be honest it's all about the girl no matter what RT says. :lol:

All your points are valid SeaGypsy.. although I think maybe the situation is different with aboriginals and native Americans. I don't know much about aboriginals, my understanding is that their culture is almost all gone -- do they still have separate tribes, languages, any cultural heritage?

The thing with American Indians is that we have to be careful, we don't want to lose these cultures and languages forever. As a group they're still too vulnerable to get tough on, and historically they have gotten a major shafting from us. Ideally, our government should be more creative with government programs but we're not socialist so we don't do that stuff with anyone and that's why it's mostly handouts.
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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 21:18:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat makes you think that white people are any better than anyone else here in the US?


If you're referring to SeaGypsy, I think his perspective is from the Australian aboriginal angle. From the little I know about that here's my impression.. aboriginals have totally lost their culture and now they're just Australians who don't "want to work." So maybe that's how he sees it, I don't know.

Or he might be playing devil's advocate to me.. anyhow I know Seagypsy isn't a racist.
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Re: Native American finds love & tranquility in Russian vill

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 07 Feb 2011, 21:36:24

What you get on the MSM out of Australia would let you believe such nonsense, because as I have mentioned on other threads the 'Indigenous Lobby' is dominated by mixed blood urbanised psuedo aboriginals and amounts to a lawyers picnic based on the huge money involved in land rights and mining royalties.

Australian aboriginal cultures are infinitely stronger in terms of language, being 'in place' and everyday cultural practice than native American. There are about 100,000 1st language indigenous speaking about 70 languages, spread out across from Cairns on the east coast, west to around Port Headland and north of this line. About 55,000 of these are full blood. Many can't speak English at all, or only a Kriol or Pidgin version.

Welfare is generally becoming superceded in the land rights areas, by mining royalties. the government loves this because it gets these people off their books. Unemployment in indigenous communities is close to 90% and in many communities it is 100%.

Welfare and royalties are squandered on cars, gambling, alcohol. The communities are mostly filthy. 80%+ of the children don't go to school and most are functionally illiterate. Most 50 year olds have chronic type 2 diabetes. Young men see prison as an initiation. Incarceration rates for men are well over 50% at some stage in life. Murder rates and other violent crimes are more than 10 times average. There is no other subgroup which comes anywhere near paralell.

If I told the disgusting stuff I see every day at work people would not believe it. I am in a very long process of writing about aboriginal issues and politics; it is an extremely complex area which cannot be summed up in a few paragraphs.
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