[davep]

I think a bit of civility wouldn't go amiss here.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') think a bit of civility wouldn't go amiss here.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') think a bit of civility wouldn't go amiss here.

[Newfie]

I just heard a report on NPR where they said "Not to worry, we have plenty of untapped energy right under our feet. Enough for all of us."

They then went on to talk about how in California the main source of clean energy is geothermal and it is available everywhere. Just drill down 10,000 feet and there you are.

So simple, no worries. Well, it causes earthquakes, but weeeeeee little ones.

Somehow I am not convinced but I don't know the arguments. Me thinks if it were that simple then we would have done it long ago.

So why NOT geothermal as the ultimate alternative energy?

[Pops]

Boys and girls I'm going to lock this thread and start with the formal warnings if you don't behave and that is a big waste of my time - be civil or go somewhere else.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'O')ne more time,

At what price point will increasing energy cost limit R&D?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o why NOT geothermal as the ultimate alternative energy?

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o why NOT geothermal as the ultimate alternative energy?

[EnergyUnlimited]

You are about to earn a vacation EU, any more ad homs in this thread and you're out.

The same goes for everyone else.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'D')oes anyone here actually understand the scientific method?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Science is not an artifact of culture as doomers mistakenly assert.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '[')...]
Science: I'll believe it when I see it.
Religion: I'll see it when I believe it.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Science is not an artifact of culture as doomers mistakenly assert.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Science is part and parcel of the human animal as is Culture.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') meant to say that Science was not dependent upon Consumerism - that Science would continue in a culture where consumerism was not the dominant economic paradigm, etc.

Science is part and parcel of the human animal as is Culture.

[efarmer]

duplicate

[efarmer]

Islamic and Asian folks were pushing ahead when Europe was in the dark ages. It was a regional issue, we just think of it as being the whole world because we are mostly descended from Europeans.

The Roman Empire fizzled out and croaked and then morphed into a religion enterprise based in Rome and left the former colonies under the wet blanket of theocracy with money flowing to what used to be the technology driven Roman Empire, before they got in the religion business as an end of life kicker.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'S')o how do you explain the destruction of science and scientific knowledge throughout the dark ages? And why shouldn't there be another dark age in which science is again destroyed, perhaps totally? I don't follow your conjecture.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'H')owever I still believe that when we are no longer in position to practice science, say due to resource constrain, our scientific knowledge will gradually turn into a sort of faith based system and get forgotten at the end due to lack of practical use.

Do we really need top quark for anything?
Any use for dark energy?

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oakley', 'I') think of technology as being knowledge applied to resources. For a considerable part of human history there were large quantities of resources, but there was not knowledge of how to exploit them, hence we did not have technology. If you have knowledge but inadequate resources upon which to apply this knowledge, you don't have technology; you just have knowledge, and even that knowledge will disappear from disuse.

So it is a fantasy to think that technology is some magic that will bail us out. It does not exist absent resources. Technology has been a function of energy.

We do have a considerable amount of knowledge of energy that leads to a reasonable estimate that we will be forced to live in the future on progressively smaller and smaller quantities of energy; unless there is some dramatic new discovery of energy, I think these estimates should materialize and economic contraction is more likely than a continuation of economic expansion.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')ne obvious reason for the acceleration of technological progress is that there are simply more people nowadays.