[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It just boggles my mind that Southerners have such a blind spot when it comes to the Confederate flag's symbolism, how they don't understand how hurtful it can be to those whose ancestors were slaves.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]No Debates on Confederate Monuments, SC Speaker Says

Now that the Confederate flag has been removed from the South Carolina Statehouse, a lot of people are worried Confederate monuments, memorials, or streets or buildings named for Confederate heroes will be next. But Speaker of the South Carolina House Jay Lucas says while he’s in charge the House won’t even discuss removing anything else.

He released a written statement saying, “The South Carolina House of Representatives will not engage in or debate the specifics of public monuments, memorials, state buildings, road names or any other historical markers.

The General Assembly, the House in particular, made it abundantly clear during the debate of the Confederate flag that the only issue they were willing to discuss was the placement of the battle flag on the North lawn of the State House. We reached a swift resolution last week and in doing so put an end to this discussion. Debate over this issue will not be expanded or entertained throughout the remainder of my time as Speaker.”

He said he’s been contacted by several state universities and colleges asking or suggesting the General Assembly address changes or exceptions to the state law that protects monuments, historical markers, street names, and buildings named for historical figures or events.

...

But Rep. Joe Neal, D-Columbia, said Friday, “There is no plan to go after removal of any of those monuments or statues.” He said lawmakers would like to talk about adding some signage to the Tillman statue to more accurately reflect who he was, though.

Amanda Williams, who’s from Chicago and was visiting the Statehouse Friday, said, “I think it’s important to actually keep all the statues, good and bad, because I think it’s an important way to tell the whole story.”

Sharon Moore, of Hartsville, SC, agrees. “I think we should leave things just as it is, leave our monuments and statues as it is. Everything holds a special part in South Carolina and I think we need to leave it like it is.”
http://wsav.com/2015/07/17/no-debates-on-confederate-monuments-sc-speaker-says/

[Sixstrings]

I may do a few more posts in this thread, but I want to stay away from race debates and such, my only concern as a voter is preserving history, and civil liberties issues.

A good example of how I think civil war museums can be presented, is something like Stone Mountain, which I've already posted about. And how they incorporate civil rights history, Frederick Douglas and Rosa Parks and MLK, and it has an overall theme of reconciliation and bringing people together.

This was the monument rally in North Carolina:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/wtvd/images/cms/861826_630x354.jpg[/img]

Confederate memorial rally draws 1,500

The petition to keep the monument to Confederate veterans in front of the court house, Williamson said, had gotten more than 6,500 signatures both online and in person. Volunteers with clipboards were circulating through the crowd adding more.

...

While the vast majority of the crowd was white, there were a few people of color there to support the monument or just out of curiosity.

Omar Ellis, 21, of Burlington was in a group of five young black men in the crowd. He struck up a conversation with Tina Coble, a white woman holding a large Confederate flag.

“I just wanted to see what this was all about here,” Ellis said. “Now I’m out here, it seems pretty cool. I wish black people would get together like this.”
http://www.thetimesnews.com/article/20150718/NEWS/150718864/?Start=1

[PrestonSturges]

Ha ha! It's Stephen Colbert's black friend!



After the Glenn Beck rally conservatives all crowed about how integrated it was. I was there, and there were about six black people out of about 100,000, way in the back just watching. Everyone was super happy to see them and reporters kept interviewing them, but none of them said they were with the Beck crowd.

And then when Comedy Central had a much bigger rally in the mall, conservatives again crowed about how there were no black people attended, which they "proved" with numerous pictures that clearly showed plenty of black people present.

[KaiserJeep]

Tell me more about your theory that all Black people are Liberals. I must say, I never noticed that. It's a strange idea at best.

The "black" person in your post is at best half as black as some African naturalized people I used to work with, who were admittedly Democrats, as are most Californians. Does that make him a moderate, or must the slightest trace of African ancestry condemn that hapless victim to being a Democrat?

[Cog]

Black vote in 2008 presidential election. 95% Democrat
Black vote in 2012 presidential election 93% Democrat

Do I need to go on?

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')lack vote in 2008 presidential election. 95% Democrat
Black vote in 2012 presidential election 93% Democrat

Do I need to go on?

[Sixstrings]

*delete*, duplicate

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'W')hat meaningful differences are there between Democrats and Republicans?

[Sixstrings]

This is sad and concerning, possible hate crime against a black confederate flag supporter:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/07/AP_080925036255-640x512.jpg[/img]

ANTHONY HERVEY, BLACK CONFEDERATE FLAG SUPPORTER, DIES IN SUSPICIOUS CAR WRECK

A black activist who defended the Confederate Flag died Sunday when the vehicle he was driving overturned, and another black Confederate flag defender who survived the accident says the vehicle was forced off the road by a group of young black men.

Anthony Hervey was killed Sunday on Mississippi Highway 6. Hervey was well-known in his hometown of Oxford for wearing a Confederate uniform and supporting the Confederate flag.

Although the ABC News headline reads Black Mississippi Flag Supporter Dies in Traffic Accident, the survivor claims it was no accident.

As ABC / AP report in the body of the story:

A passenger in Hervey’s car, Arlene Barnum, tells The Associated Press that Hervey swerved and crashed after another vehicle carrying four or five young black men pulled up alongside them, yelling and looking angry. Barnum said Hervey yelled something back at the other vehicle before losing control and crashing.

“It spun like crazy and we flipped, flipped, flipped. It was awful,” she said.

At 11;25am Barnum posted to her Facebook page.

HELP.. They after us. My vehicle inside down.

At 11:28, she posted:

Anthony Hervy pinned in ., gas leaking

Barnum and Hervey were returning from a Saturday event to save the Linn Park Confederate Monument in Birmingham, Alabama.

In a video on her Facebook page posted Sunday evening, Barnum says that nobody hacked her Facebook account and that she survived the accident.

A hospital official told Breitbart News that Barnum has been released.

The McAlester News-Capital reports that they called the Mississippi Highway Patrol, who confirmed the roll-over accident was near Oxford, Mississippi but said they could not give any further information because the incident was under investigation.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/20/anthony-hervey-black-confederate-flag-supporter-dies-in-suspicious-car-wreck/

[Sixstrings]

Daily Mail article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Black Mississippi Confederate flag supporter dies after rally when 'car full of jeering African American men forced him off the road

Anthony Hervey, 49, was chased by a group of men while driving home from an Alabama flag rally when the car flipped
The passenger, Arlene Barnum, said they were pursued by a group of young black men while en route back to Mississippi on Sunday
Barnum posted to Facebook while still pinned inside the vehicle: 'HELP.. They after us. My vehicle inside down'


Hervey said he dressed in Rebel soldier garb to honor blacks who served with the Confederacy during the Civil War. He was often seen often wearing the Confederate uniform and waving a Rebel flag on the Oxford square.



Survivor: Arlene Barnum (left), Hervey's (right) fellow black supporter of the Confederate flag, said they were chased following a rally in Alabama while en route home to Mississippi



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168224/Black-Mississippi-flag-supporter-dies-traffic-accident.html

[Sixstrings]

Local tv news:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Anthony Hervey's death affects many

OXFORD, Miss. (WTVA) -- Anthony Hervey's friends remember him as a man who was deeply passionate about his convictions.

“He was just trying to promote love and equality between everybody," says Keelan Stokes.

Hervey often sat outside High Point Coffee to discuss the confederate flag with members of the community.

His friend, Benjamin Moore, says they would play chess and discuss philosophy for hours on end.
http://www.wtva.com/news/local/story/Anthony-Herveys-death-affects-many/-dFioSHczk24TlnHiFoC7Q.cspx

[Sixstrings]

Just to walk things back a bit..

I'm looking at some of these flag rallies on youtube, and some of it is nothing I'd ever want to be anywhere near or be promoting or have anything to do with (I actually wouldn't go to any flag rally, at all, or have a confederate flag). My thing is about the monuments and just the flag shouldn't be banned from sale, and the Gettysburg gift shop, etc. etc. etc.

Other than that, I think I just need to ignore this racial and flag news, it's major culture war stuff going on with the left and the right and I can see that this thing is gonna keep going all through the whole election cycle -- really, the 1% would like everyone arguing about race and flags, right?

And so, that's what the wall-street / corporate controlled Democratic Party chooses to stoke up. Rather than voting down TPP, or actually raising the minimum wage, or regulating wall street and the banks.

And then Republicans play the race / immigrant fear card as well, and so left and right will just go back and forth about it. (on balance, over all, the Left really did start this one though with flag banning)

Anyhow, I don't want to seem like I'm promoting something, and I'd definitely never condone bigots or stand in a crowd with them.

One note, about the South: there are many states in the South and then different regions in each state, and different cultures and history. In my state, we don't have some of the "deep south" stuff there seems to be in South Carolina, Mississippi, etc. Each state is a bit different.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')a ha! It's Stephen Colbert's black friend!

[PrestonSturges]

I saw an article by one of these black guys whose career seems to be scolding black people about pulling themselves up by their bootstraps etc. I googled the financial report of his charity and he pays himself $400,000 a year in addition to all the fees he gets for comforting all-white audiences and appearing on shows like Sean Hannity. Apparently it's possible to make about a million bucks a year as a black person willing to be a racial toady for white audiences. Nice work if you can get it!

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I') saw an article by one of these black guys whose career seems to be scolding black people about pulling themselves up by their bootstraps etc. I googled the financial report of his charity and he pays himself $400,000 a year in addition to all the fees he gets for comforting all-white audiences and appearing on shows like Sean Hannity. Apparently it's possible to make about a million bucks a year as a black person willing to be a racial toady for white audiences. Nice work if you can get it!

[Withnail]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I') saw an article by one of these black guys whose career seems to be scolding black people about pulling themselves up by their bootstraps etc. I googled the financial report of his charity and he pays himself $400,000 a year in addition to all the fees he gets for comforting all-white audiences and appearing on shows like Sean Hannity. Apparently it's possible to make about a million bucks a year as a black person willing to be a racial toady for white audiences. Nice work if you can get it!

[Cog]

Take a little look at this facebook video. Group of blacks attack a guy's vehicle, with him in it, because it is flying a Confederate flag. Sooner or later someone is going to get killed over this. Perhaps several someones.

Disparity of force, trying to smash windows in the truck. Approach of the vehicle. That would be a justified shoot, even in my state.


*** Strong language warning*****

https://www.facebook.com/ghettofightsan ... 1/?fref=nf

I guess white lives don't matter and neither does their personal property.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')ake a little look at this facebook video. Group of blacks attack a guy's vehicle, with him in it, because it is flying a Confederate flag. Sooner or later someone is going to get killed over this. Perhaps several someones.

Disparity of force, trying to smash windows in the truck. Approach of the vehicle. That would be a justified shoot, even in my state.


*** Strong language warning*****

https://www.facebook.com/ghettofightsan ... 1/?fref=nf

I guess white lives don't matter and neither does their personal property.

[americandream]

I did a bit of digging around into this old flag business as it seemed strange that it just kinda popped up like that....seeing as neither six nor cog bothered to explain to us furriners just how this current controversy came to be raging and it seems that some fellow went along and murdered 9 blacks in a church and then proceeded to pose under a Confed flag. Ive attached a link.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... South.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ctims.html

So unlike Cog whose only gripe is that he cant fly his favourite table cloth, these black Americans are actually being murdered and begorrah....are protesting!!!!!

How unreasonable of them to deprive someone the freedom to murder them at their liberty. Fackin crazy if you ask me..cos no doubt some poor white guy will get the beats down the line by vigilante blacks then some black will get the beats by vigilante whites and then a black and then a white and this will go on and on all cos some landowner wanted free workers.

[Sixstrings]

edit: oh nevemind, I don't want in these debates.