by JohnDenver » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 11:06:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'A')ll of the growing alternatives (gas, coal, nuclear, hydro and renewables) produce EV fuel (i.e. electricity), and none of them will peak in the pre-peak-gas period (with the possible exception of hydro).
Let's focus on North America for a moment. Natural Gas has been in overall decline (yearly fluctuations notwithstanding), and all of the production is taken up with space heating, current electrical generation, and industrial processes, with the latter two demands having had some curtailment when supplies have been tight over the last few years. I have no confidence in anyone's claims that N.A. natural gas will increase overall in the coming years; just the opposite, in fact. N.A. does not have sufficient LNG transfer facilities at this time to ramp up import (which would further reduce energy independence) even if there were suppliers that could drastically ramp up their delivery. Note that Qatar has to move their shipments through the Persian Gulf, making any conflict with Iran a point at which those supplies become highly unreliable.
New nuclear plants in the US coming on line anytime soon? I'd like to hear about them and their target dates for being fully operational.
Additional hydro facilities? I'd like to hear about those as well, and their expected capacity.
Renewables: you must mean wind, primarily (if not, provide projects, their completion dates, and expected annual kWH output). Wind certainly is growing at a brisk rate, though is still far down the scale when it comes to percentage of US electricity production, probably still less than 1%, certainly less than 2%.
This leaves coal to shoulder the ramp-up in the next decade. Even if the majority of autos produced in the next 10 years where EV or plug-in hybrid, the use of coal to power them would blacken the skies in N.A., the way it is in many parts of China at present, only worse. Who would want or accept that? The push to shutdown attempts to start up new coal plants has a tremendous head of steam in the US.
Okay. Let's go with your version. Do you expect to see no LNG, no nuclear and no new coal in the U.S.? Do you believe that U.S. energy production will enter a terminal decline, starting now? And industry/government/citizens will passively accept that?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'W')e have to look at the entire picture of the national fleet. 1,000,000 cars were sold in Australia last year. 15,000 scooters represents 1.5% of the vehicles sold, so even if they were to see 50% growth every year for the next five years, scooters would only account for 114,000 vehicles, or still less than 12% of the vehicles sold, far too few to mitigate PO.