[Ayoob]

And without further ado...

http://www.warsocialism.com/rr-jhanson-16kbps.mp3

[Revi]

That was a great interview! I haven't heard anything from him in years.

Die off was the site that got me into peak oil back in the late 90's.

It's still as scary as ever, but

Now I am more resigned to the outcome.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow I am more resigned to the outcome.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t's still as scary as ever, but Now I am more resigned to the outcome.

[dunewalker]

Jay Hanson has been one of the great critical thinkers of our time, a seminal contribution to the discussion of critical issues surrounding the global peaking of cheap energy. Personalities such as Jason Bradford are currently carrying the torch of problem solving.

[Grautr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat's wrong with him? Other than his message.

[Schmuto]

Guy is brilliant. I like the way he integrates biology into the discussion.

I agree with everything he said, and particularly with:
1. The impact of self-deception.
2. The fact that today's "renewables" are not renewable, and that things like "wind" and "solar" are red herrings because they require huge energy and material inputs.

Thanks for the post.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')hat's wrong him? Other than his message.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'G')uys like this are devoid of courage, honor & respect for life though. They'll claim we're all FUBAR but they'll live it up "cause we're fucked anyway", with maybe a secret stash to try to ride out the hordes. No hope, no striving to make the world better, just doomsterbation, because, in the end, they all hate the world & life as we know it anyway & it's not their fault so why should they care for anyone but themselves.He's a lazy thinker . . .

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', ' ')because that's hardwired into us, we have no chance of overcoming it during the short timeline we're working with right now.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I')n fact, if you think about it, you're nothing more than one of the people who doesn't want to face the awful facts we're facing.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I')n fact, if you think about it, you're nothing more than one of the people who doesn't want to face the awful facts we're facing.

[Grautr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'W')hat you really don't like about him is the fact that he's resigned to our fate, as he sees it.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'I') dont think he is resigned to our fate. He has a new group set up where they are debating what would be the best form of government for future generations. That doesnt sound like giving up to me.
He is, I find, quite often misunderstood. I've even seen him accused of being a facist just because of the name of his website.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I')t's not a question of capacity. If somebody kept trying to tell you that 2+2 was 3, what would you tell them if not, "2+2 is, in fact, 4?"

[Ben]

I have to say the more I realize that Jay Hanson is human, the more disappointed I become. I always had the image of him being some perfectly logical being, almost machine-like. To hear his voice is weird.

Actually it was an interview of his I read a while back, on The Oil Drum I believe, where the interviewer asked if he was going the survivalist route, or what was he doing to plan for the peak? And my interpretation of his answer was he basically wasn't really doing anything. And it occurred to me that really I wasn't doing much either. Between that and everything else going on in the world it was at that point that I decided to actually start preparing, for real.

I did feel some disappointment to hear that he is still looking for some kind of political apparatus to solve the peak oil problem. It was his writings that convinced me that most (all?) humans are essentially losers -- in 100% of scenarios they will simply make a series of trades that benefit them in the short-run but are disastrous in the long-run, at which point they will destroy themselves and the environment. It couldn't be any other way. The only solution that makes sense to me is to identify these traits that are essentially losing, and eliminate them through genetic manipulation. Everything else to me is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Does anyone know if it's still possible to join Jay's new list? It strikes me as being nothing more than a plausible excuse to interact with other "peak oilers", but that's all I'm interested in right now anyway.

[Grautr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ben', 'I') have to say the more I realize that Jay Hanson is human, the more disappointed I become. I always had the image of him being some perfectly logical being, almost machine-like. To hear his voice is weird. --snip--
Does anyone know if it's still possible to join Jay's new list? It strikes me as being nothing more than a plausible excuse to interact with other "peak oilers", but that's all I'm interested in right now anyway.

[Ben]

Thanks Grautr, I'll give it a try.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'B')ut my question has to be, after reading what you wrote above and personaly I feel the same, why do you want to join a list to debate a hypothetical political solution to the problem?