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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 18:45:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')'m going to regret this, but why do you call the fossil record bogus? Is it a conspiracy by evil museum curators? Did I imagine those fossils I collected during geology lessons, or is it a test from God?


One other thing about the "fossil record" they also maintain Coal Takes Billions of years to form...I have seen pictures of Trees standing upright in coal seems, along with other fossils that were not even supposed to exist yet according to the "fossil record". Coal miners have also found many modern man made objects in Coal.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 18:49:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
')NOTE: I don't personally take illegal drugs, I do believe in making all drugs legal including hard drugs such as heroin, crack, cocaine etc.. Freedom and all that.


I can see it now - a Post Peak appocalypse in which we not only have starving people killing and stealing all they can to feed their families, but now we can also look forward to hoards of fiendish strung out drug addicts finding ways to feed their habbit...Very intersting !
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 18:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')'m going to regret this, but why do you call the fossil record bogus? Is it a conspiracy by evil museum curators? Did I imagine those fossils I collected during geology lessons, or is it a test from God?


STEPHEN J. GOULD, HARVARD, "The Cambrian Explosion occurred in a geological moment, and we have reason to think that all major anatomical designs may have made their evolutionary appearance at that time. ...not only the phylum Chordata itself, but also all its major divisions, arose within the Cambrian Explosion. So much for chordate uniqueness... Contrary to Darwin's expectation that new data would reveal gradualistic continuity with slow and steady expansion, all major discoveries of the past century have only heightened the massiveness and geological abruptness of this formative event..." Nature, Vol.377, 26 10/95, p.682

Preston Cloud & Martin F. Glaessner, "Ever since Darwin, the geologically abrupt appearance and rapid diversification of early animal life have fascinated biologist and students of Earth history alike....This interval, plus Early Cambrian, was the time during which metazoan life diversified into nearly all of the major phyla and most of the invertebrate classes and orders subsequently known." Science, Aug.27, 1982

RICHARD Monastersky, Earth Science Ed., Science News, "The remarkably complex forms of animals we see today suddenly appeared. ...This moment, right at the start of the Earth's Cambrian Period...marks the evolutionary explosion that filled the seas with the earth's first complex creatures. ...‘This is Genesis material,’ gushed one researcher. ...demonstrates that the large animal phyla of today were present already in the early Cambrian and that they were as distinct from each other as they are today...a menagerie of clam cousins, sponges, segmented worms, and other invertevrates that would seem vaguely familiar to any scuba diver." Discover, p.40, 4/93

Richard Dawkins, Cambridge, "And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. ...the only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation...", The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p229-230

TREES & FISH IN CAMBRIAN, John Repetski, U.S.Geol. Survey, "The oldest land plants now known are from the Early Cambrian... Approximately 60 Cambrian spore-genera are now on record...represent 6 different groups of vascular plants..." Evolution, V.13, 6/'59, p.264. Daniel I. Axelrod, UCLA, "This report of fish material from Upper Cambrian rocks further extends the record of the vertebrates by approximately 40 million years." [WY, OK, WA, NV, ID, AR] Science, Vol.200, 5 May, 1978, p.529

PATCH FAILED, "Over the decades, evolutionary theorists beginning with Charles Darwin have tried to argue that the appearance of multicelled animals during the Cambrian merely seemed sudden, and in fact had been preceded by a lengthy period of evolution for which the geological record was missing. But this explanation, while it patched over a hole in an otherwise masterly theory, now seems increasingly unsatisfactory. Since 1987, discoveries of major fossil beds in Greenland, in China, in Siberia, and now in Namibia have shown that the period of biological innovation occurred at virtually the same instant in geologic time all around the world. ...just as the peculiar behavior of light forced physicists to conclude that Newton's laws were incomplete, so the Cambrian explosion has caused experts to wonder if the twin Darwinian imperatives of genetic variation and natural selection provide an adequate framework for understanding evolution..." Time, 12/4, 1995, p.67, 74

BLIND FAITH, Douglas Futuyma, "It is considered likely that all the animal phyla became distinct before or during the Cambrian, for they all appear fully formed, without intermediates connecting one form to another." EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY, 1985, p.325
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 19:17:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
')NOTE: I don't personally take illegal drugs, I do believe in making all drugs legal including hard drugs such as heroin, crack, cocaine etc.. Freedom and all that.


I can see it now - a Post Peak appocalypse in which we not only have starving people killing and stealing all they can to feed their families, but now we can also look forward to hoards of fiendish strung out drug addicts finding ways to feed their habbit...Very intersting !

Before PMS' get's a chance it is "habit" 8)

No different then the current situation where all of these fiends are doing everything in their power to continue their addiction to oil.

Now come on! its religion or evolution and nothing else damnit!
You must choose! :lol:
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 19:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')efore PMS' get's a chance it is "habit"

No different then the current situation where all of these fiends are doing everything in their power to continue their addiction to oil.

Now come on! its religion or evolution and nothing else damnit!
You must choose!



Neopo - has anyody ever told you that you are an extremely easy person to ignore ? You really need to start making statments that have a little more substance, you are starting to sound like Holmes. (only Holmes is faking it)...
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Judgie » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 06:56:46

A recent survey indicated that as many as 50% of the population of the United States of America don't believe in evolution. There was a survey done in 1930 that also indicated the disturbing notion that, at that time, approximately 50% of USA'ers still believed the world was flat..............................................
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby NugBlazer » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 14:05:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'T')he fossil record does not show a clear "simple-to-complex" progression of life forms. Life is complex and well developed wherever it is found in the fossil record. Major groups of plants and animals appear suddenly in the fossil record, with nothing leading up to them. Most rock layers and the fossils they contain can be explained better by a worldwide flood and subsequent events.


Wow, you sure got it right when you picked your username.

The fossil rcord is INCOMPLETE, but it's still the best record we have by a longshot. It would take hours to explain why, so I'm not going to bother. Do the research -- it's all there.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 14:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', 'A') recent survey indicated that as many as 50% of the population of the United States of America don't believe in evolution. There was a survey done in 1930 that also indicated the disturbing notion that, at that time, approximately 50% of USA'ers still believed the world was flat..............................................


Well, 50% of the world believes in evolution - Which was based on 1850's research...Whereas molecular biology has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt irreducably complex creatures cannot evolve from nothing.

Sounds to me Darwin is the "flat earther"...
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby gnm » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 15:07:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'W')hereas molecular biology has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt irreducably complex creatures cannot evolve from nothing.


Your statement is technically correct. It requires some basic chemical compounds...

closer to artificial life

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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 15:19:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I'm going to regret this, but why do you call the fossil record bogus? Is it a conspiracy by evil museum curators? Did I imagine those fossils I collected during geology lessons, or is it a test from God?


The fossil record does not show a clear "simple-to-complex" progression of life forms. Life is complex and well developed wherever it is found in the fossil record. Major groups of plants and animals appear suddenly in the fossil record, with nothing leading up to them. Most rock layers and the fossils they contain can be explained better by a worldwide flood and subsequent events.


punctuated equilibrium, not creationism. I hope? The theory of evolution is incomplete. Natural selection pressures, Darwinism, still explains many of the changes that take place in species. We're taking baby steps in this area, and there is a lot of misinterpretation as new concepts are considered.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 15:31:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')punctuated equilibrium, not creationism. I hope? The theory of evolution is incomplete. Natural selection pressures, Darwinism, still explains many of the changes that take place in species. We're taking baby steps in this area, and there is a lot of misinterpretation as new concepts are considered.


Many of the changes in spieces have not been observed, and there has not been one "transitional" creature found...That's a pretty big gap to fill, especially when you consider that along with the origin of matter. The Big Bang is not a plausible theory, and is disputed by many non-Christian scientists.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 17:57:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', 'A') recent survey indicated that as many as 50% of the population of the United States of America don't believe in evolution. There was a survey done in 1930 that also indicated the disturbing notion that, at that time, approximately 50% of USA'ers still believed the world was flat..............................................


You do realize that the latest quantum theory says that not only the world but all the universe is flat.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Judgie » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 19:31:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', 'A') recent survey indicated that as many as 50% of the population of the United States of America don't believe in evolution. There was a survey done in 1930 that also indicated the disturbing notion that, at that time, approximately 50% of USA'ers still believed the world was flat..............................................


You do realize that the latest quantum theory says that not only the world but all the universe is flat.


Yes but for all current physical purposes, one only need to go into orbit to see that our beloved earth, as with all other planets in our solar system, at the least, is indeed a sphere. That is the point.

Realize that the lions will soon be let out of their cages and the mouthy religious types may well be eaten first.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 22:57:09

To get me mind off of Peak Oil, I read these very forums at peakoil.com. It is a fantastic and effective diversion because every imaginable topic relating to Peak Oil is broken down and diverted wildly off topic. Often, the thread jacking tends toward hilariously farcical beliefs. Kudos and bravo.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby clueless » Wed 22 Aug 2007, 10:57:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'T')o get me mind off of Peak Oil, I read these very forums at peakoil.com. It is a fantastic and effective diversion because every imaginable topic relating to Peak Oil is broken down and diverted wildly off topic. Often, the thread jacking tends toward hilariously farcical beliefs. Kudos and bravo.


A deeply philosphical statement....I am in awe.

Yes I agree evolution is "hilariously farcical", anyone who believes everything they see came from nothing certainly fits into that category - But even when you examine the two beliefs, and let me emphasize they are both simply beliefs because neiher is proven, and evolution has been propogated by far more lies and hoax's that Christianity.

Back to my point - When you examine the two beliefs:

Evolution states complex life came from nothing.

Creationism states life and all matter was created.

Which is more "hilariously farcical" ?

Sorry dude, I don't follow, can you clarify ?
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 03:29:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')'m going to regret this, but why do you call the fossil record bogus? Is it a conspiracy by evil museum curators? Did I imagine those fossils I collected during geology lessons, or is it a test from God?


STEPHEN J. GOULD, HARVARD, "The Cambrian Explosion occurred in a geological moment, and we have reason to think that all major anatomical designs may have made their evolutionary appearance at that time. ...not only the phylum Chordata itself, but also all its major divisions, arose within the Cambrian Explosion. So much for chordate uniqueness... Contrary to Darwin's expectation that new data would reveal gradualistic continuity with slow and steady expansion, all major discoveries of the past century have only heightened the massiveness and geological abruptness of this formative event..." Nature, Vol.377, 26 10/95, p.682

Preston Cloud & Martin F. Glaessner, "Ever since Darwin, the geologically abrupt appearance and rapid diversification of early animal life have fascinated biologist and students of Earth history alike....This interval, plus Early Cambrian, was the time during which metazoan life diversified into nearly all of the major phyla and most of the invertebrate classes and orders subsequently known." Science, Aug.27, 1982

RICHARD Monastersky, Earth Science Ed., Science News, "The remarkably complex forms of animals we see today suddenly appeared. ...This moment, right at the start of the Earth's Cambrian Period...marks the evolutionary explosion that filled the seas with the earth's first complex creatures. ...‘This is Genesis material,’ gushed one researcher. ...demonstrates that the large animal phyla of today were present already in the early Cambrian and that they were as distinct from each other as they are today...a menagerie of clam cousins, sponges, segmented worms, and other invertevrates that would seem vaguely familiar to any scuba diver." Discover, p.40, 4/93

Richard Dawkins, Cambridge, "And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. ...the only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation...", The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p229-230

TREES & FISH IN CAMBRIAN, John Repetski, U.S.Geol. Survey, "The oldest land plants now known are from the Early Cambrian... Approximately 60 Cambrian spore-genera are now on record...represent 6 different groups of vascular plants..." Evolution, V.13, 6/'59, p.264. Daniel I. Axelrod, UCLA, "This report of fish material from Upper Cambrian rocks further extends the record of the vertebrates by approximately 40 million years." [WY, OK, WA, NV, ID, AR] Science, Vol.200, 5 May, 1978, p.529

PATCH FAILED, "Over the decades, evolutionary theorists beginning with Charles Darwin have tried to argue that the appearance of multicelled animals during the Cambrian merely seemed sudden, and in fact had been preceded by a lengthy period of evolution for which the geological record was missing. But this explanation, while it patched over a hole in an otherwise masterly theory, now seems increasingly unsatisfactory. Since 1987, discoveries of major fossil beds in Greenland, in China, in Siberia, and now in Namibia have shown that the period of biological innovation occurred at virtually the same instant in geologic time all around the world. ...just as the peculiar behavior of light forced physicists to conclude that Newton's laws were incomplete, so the Cambrian explosion has caused experts to wonder if the twin Darwinian imperatives of genetic variation and natural selection provide an adequate framework for understanding evolution..." Time, 12/4, 1995, p.67, 74

BLIND FAITH, Douglas Futuyma, "It is considered likely that all the animal phyla became distinct before or during the Cambrian, for they all appear fully formed, without intermediates connecting one form to another." EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY, 1985, p.325


So are you saying that the Big Guy in the Sky created all those weird critters in the Cambrian and the went to sleep until 4000 BC when he resumed his Creationist efforts on DayThree? Or did The Big Guy just fake all the fossils to "Test Our Faith"? Or what the he** do you believe?

It's a lot easier to poke holes in "straw man" theories that you have concocted than develop your own theories that you can defend.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby skeptik » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 11:48:22

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How do you take your mind off of the impending doom?


Easy.

Move... away... from... the computer..... and do something else.

G&T... dip in the pool... walk on the beach. Good meal. Language school. Radio Tres ( best radio station in the known universe) .Whatever.

I don't think about it at all unless I'm online. You only live once so enjoy it while you've got it.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby Pops » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 13:08:35

Funny though it may seem to most, I rarely forget PO in the real world.

Not that I sit and obsess over doom, I simply find things to do that are enjoyable and might be of value to be experienced at in the future. I garden, raise animals, try to improve my ability to get by without modern infrastructure, improve my land, buildings, systems, etc.

And as Laughs_Last, I amuse myself reading the many graveyard-whistling, mouse-jerking, irrelevant posts here.
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Re: How do you take your mind off Peak oil?

Unread postby emailking » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 13:15:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sirrom', '
')How do you take your mind off of the impending doom?


I just live in the real world. I follow the celeb stories. I play my PS3 on my 55'' plasma tv. I read about math and physics instead of oil depletion and long emergencies. Seriously. Do whatever you're going to do for preparation but live like everyone else. Why live in despair and fear when you can live in the matrix? I don't even think about this stuff anymore. I check these sites when gas/oil goes up or I get bored. :)
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