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How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 14:55:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'b')out like agentrwwff with his thule death chanting from day one followed up with a "WHA? ME A NEOCON?" ;-)


I tend to cut Rwwff a fair amount of slack. I find conclusions very often to be fairly accurate, despite his apparent devotion to a particular party (in this case, Republicans, but it could just as easily have been a (D) next to his name if he were born and raised in New York). I can only assume that devotion stems from havng not yet recieved any negative impact from "his" party's policies. But since that is a transitory condition, I know he will eventually shed that baggage as well.

This kam fool, however, is just foaming at the mouth and spewing pro-zionist nonsense with no factual evidence, no personal credibility and apparently no goal other than to incite flames. For that, I give him the bwoosh award.

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Congradulations, kam. I can't think of a more deserving recipient.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Revi » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 15:19:18

We all believe that war will bring us spoils. Spoils were oil. Now we can't hold the oil. We may not be able to hold any of it. Kam just doesn't know that yet.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 15:27:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nce we start razing villages, torching fields and blowing up wells.... it'll be VERY winnable.


How is it a winnable war when we are blowing up the wells that we need to get oil from? Gee, he's smart.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 15:46:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'U')hhh...BULLSH*T. This is DEFINATELY a winnable war. It is only unwinnable because we're fighting a limited war. Once we start razing villages, torching fields and blowing up wells.... it'll be VERY winnable. In an energy tight world, the man sitting on the barrel will rule. The man sitting on the sidelines will have everything taken from him.


"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" (Isaac Asimov)

There are many other ways to win. War is the easiest (requires the least thinking), but the costliest (lives, resources, money).

I really don't understand why this thread went so far (5 pages already). Look at kam's avatar. Does he deserve so many answers?
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 15:58:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'I') really don't understand why this thread went so far (5 pages already). Look at kam's avatar. Does he deserve so many answers?


Yet, you felt compelled to post to it as well.

You see, it's kind of like driving past a car accident. You know you shouldn't slow down and stare, but you do it anyway.

I guess that makes kam our own personal drunk who crossed the median while doing 85m/h without his seatbelt on.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 16:05:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I guess that makes kam our own personal drunk who crossed the median while doing 85m/h without his seatbelt on.


Does anybody have any doubt that the two will have similar fates?
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby gampy » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 16:22:58

Squeaky wheels get the grease, eh?

Cliches are cliches for a reason.

While Kam does use a certain logic, a cold, inhuman logic though it is,
I am afraid that the majority of people who are in a position to make war subscribe to that same cold logic as well.

It's too bad that the peaceful, pacifist, and forward thinking among us do not choose to exist, or enter into, the dog eat dog world of politics. Our system of organization seems to reward those who follow Kam's logic.

Until that changes, I don't think there is much hope for us all.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 18:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'I') really don't understand why this thread went so far (5 pages already). Look at kam's avatar. Does he deserve so many answers?


Yet, you felt compelled to post to it as well.

You see, it's kind of like driving past a car accident. You know you shouldn't slow down and stare, but you do it anyway.

I guess that makes kam our own personal drunk who crossed the median while doing 85m/h without his seatbelt on.


Call it naivity. I hoped my post would be the last one in this dreadful thread. I was obviously wrong.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 19:12:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'I') hoped my post would be the last one in this dreadful thread. I was obviously wrong.


Oh I an't just pass up a challenge like that! :-D
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 19:44:12

[changed my mind]
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 20:35:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'I') think most of the people on this site have no idea how a REAL war is fought. In the last 50 years, new rules of war have been written, and in the next 10, they will be erased. The ideas of the new age, democracy, rules of engagement, limiting civilian casualties, torture bans, etc, will all be thrown away. I am not a weirdo, I am being realistic. Peak Oil will change EVERYTHING and will harden the formerly comfortable first world population.
I was reading a debate that Richard Dawkins was in about evolution. The interesting point was raised that the entire history that produced the human race was cruel and amoral. The old "nature red in tooth and claw" thing. Nature is beautiful and it is brutal. People have trouble reconciling that with their own view of what it means to be a human being. If we are to be going down this energy slope and it does turn out to be pretty steep, I agree Kam, we'll see this and more. Personally, I'm hoping for the Russian Geologists to be right and we find lots of new oilfields in crystalline basement rock! :)
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 20:42:00

"Amoral" huh.

Yet every human society has some standard of morality.

Go figure.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 20:45:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '"')Amoral" huh.

Yet every human society has some standard of morality.

Go figure.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 21:26:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'h')ey PMS, whats up with these fetuses trying to school some of us?
wtf are they trying to prove?
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 21:34:54

"By their fruits you will know them."
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 21:58:57

right....thats why some people say nothing about 100's of 1000's of dead iraqi's.

right....thats why some people would support brutality and the elite.

right....thats why the neocons and those who think like them prop up nonsensical bullshit and preach it to the kiddies daily.

Funny how some people can spend alot of time in a classroom yet never learn anything.

I want to spend a day with George Bush so he can teach me the values and virtues of this great land ;-)
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 22:41:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '"')By their fruits you will know them."
Indeed. It appears that a wise policy has been determined. Hat's off. Good move guys.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby Denny » Wed 08 Nov 2006, 00:37:28

How the can peak oil aware be anti-war?

Because they have moral principles. What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul?

And, from strictly a practical, worldly perspective, because you don't want to see your nation perceived as a pariah, a modern day equivalent to the hated Roman Empire, the object of perpetual terrorism.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby SDC » Wed 08 Nov 2006, 01:57:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SDC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?


It's pretty simple, really, I believe that it was a complete tactical faliure. I'm not nessicarily against resource wars persay, just against botching them.


Anyone noticed that most of the war cheerleaders can't spell :roll:

kam, don't you think it would be more productive to work for a solution to the problem rather than trying to justify the second 'final solution'.


Let me put this a different way. I am not "for" war in the way that rightists are "for" war. War cheerleader is a completely misplaced label. What I meant by that statement was going into Iraq in the first place was a tactical failure in a larger conflict. I do believe that if it is the only way to keep the American populace alive for the next 1-10 years, war is justified. However, diplomacy and subterfuge would probably have worked far better in this case. Not only that, but they went about the war entirely wrong. I have never been in any military force, yet I can see that.

They dropped thousands of bombs on various cities, in order to destroy military installments (which they didn't - they only destroyed innocent civilians), while their gargantuan armored force could have taken out those very military installations without breaking a sweat. Secondly, they're keeping said gigantic armored force there, which can't do shit against an insurgency.

Basically, I am for war if more people will die if it is not fought than if it is - a condition the Iraq war does not meet.

Why am I for resource wars? Well, this is something to be explained another time, but I think that it is the one and only way to achieve a soft landing. Whoever doesn't control a large enough stake in the oil will come crashing down with nothing to break their fall.

As for my spelling - Anyone noticed that the grammar pedants love ad-homs? :roll:
I might be wrong.
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Re: How can the Peak Oil Aware be Anti-War?

Unread postby kam30en » Wed 08 Nov 2006, 04:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')ight....thats why some people say nothing about 100's of 1000's of dead iraqi's.

right....thats why some people would support brutality and the elite.

right....thats why the neocons and those who think like them prop up nonsensical bullshit and preach it to the kiddies daily.

Funny how some people can spend alot of time in a classroom yet never learn anything.

I want to spend a day with George Bush so he can teach me the values and virtues of this great land




Yes, NEOPO, this has been going on since the beginning of time. War is a natural response to overpopulation. And there is no such thing as "fair" when it comes to war. Just like in nature, the strong kill the weak and take from them whatever they like. The thousands of bodies that are piling up now will be dwarfed in the near future by the hundreds of millions of dead from war, famine and disease. At the end of the day, peak oil is going to kill most of the world's current population....personally I'd rather die in a war than starve to death.
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