[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he key concept in EREOI is energy recovered.

Iraq may be the source of several billion barrels of oil, but if there have to be soldiers on every street corner to make sure the oil keeps flowing, you're spending a lot more energy than you're getting. The infrastructure required to get the oil out may be susceptible to hit-and-run sabotage (aka Kunstler's "50 pounds of Semtex strapped to a donkey").

Remember how the oil revenue from Iraq was supposed to cover the cost of invading the country in the first place? Now the war budget is in the red to the tune of tens of billions of dollars per year, and Iraq's production figures are (I believe) lower than before the war.

[gampy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'K')am does have a point. I feel the same way sort of.

[kam30en]

I think most of the people on this site have no idea how a REAL war is fought. In the last 50 years, new rules of war have been written, and in the next 10, they will be erased. The ideas of the new age, democracy, rules of engagement, limiting civilian casualties, torture bans, etc, will all be thrown away. I am not a weirdo, I am being realistic. Peak Oil will change EVERYTHING and will harden the formerly comfortable first world population.

[Ludi]

Kam, I missed if you said you're in the military over there in the ME.

Are you?

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'I') think most of the people on this site have no idea how a REAL war is fought. In the last 50 years, new rules of war have been written, and in the next 10, they will be erased. The ideas of the new age, democracy, rules of engagement, limiting civilian casualties, torture bans, etc, will all be thrown away. I am not a weirdo, I am being realistic. Peak Oil will change EVERYTHING and will harden the formerly comfortable first world population.

[Ludi]

Thanks for not wanting to kill me for my resources, NEOPO.

[holmes]

If u eat food u support the war. wear cloths u support the war. It isnt just the automobile. sorry to let ya down. ecological paradigm with a move to new urbanism is the only way. Monte has ummed it up countless times. Its not just the auto and its not just over population. Although those are the biggest.

[holmes]

hey PMS, whats up with these fetuses trying to school some of us?
wtf are they trying to prove?
Kam You hit alot of nails on the head here!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')f u eat food u support the war. wear cloths u support the war. It isnt just the automobile. sorry to let ya down. ecological paradigm with a move to new urbanism is the only way. Monte has ummed it up countless times. Its not just the auto and its not just over population. Although those are the biggest.

[Revi]

i'm peak oil aware and I don't support the war. This is an unwinnable war. We are not going to end up with more energy because of it. We may end up losing it and losing our tenuous grasp on the world's last oil. Our dollar risks being made irrelevant by the oil bourse and by a lack of confidence anyway. Maybe a subtler approach would have worked a lot better. In retrospect we should have moved our bases to Kuwait and let the UN deal with Saddam. We'd still have a lot of friends in the world, and in an energy tight world, that would be worth more than trying to play king of the hill.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'K')am, I missed if you said you're in the military over there in the ME.

Are you?

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'K')am, I missed if you said you're in the military over there in the ME.

Are you?

[kam30en]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')'m peak oil aware and I don't support the war. This is an unwinnable war. We are not going to end up with more energy because of it. We may end up losing it and losing our tenuous grasp on the world's last oil. Our dollar risks being made irrelevant by the oil bourse and by a lack of confidence anyway. Maybe a subtler approach would have worked a lot better. In retrospect we should have moved our bases to Kuwait and let the UN deal with Saddam. We'd still have a lot of friends in the world, and in an energy tight world, that would be worth more than trying to play king of the hill.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', 'U')hhh...BULLSH*T. This is DEFINATELY a winnable war. It is only unwinnable because we're fighting a limited war. Once we start razing villages, torching fields and blowing up wells.... it'll be VERY winnable. In an energy tight world, the man sitting on the barrel will rule. The man sitting on the sidelines will have everything taken from him.

[Revi]

I don't know about the king of the hill idea. We managed to monopolize the energy supply for over 50 years with a combination of soft power and capitalism. The naked grab won't work. There are too many others who want it too. We should start by cutting our domestic consumption by half, then make alliances that will ensure a steady flow of oil. Unfortunately nobody wants to do that, so we are going the war route. We will end up with less coming in whatever we do. What we really need is leadership that can deal with that.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ow.



That has GOT to be one of the all-time "greatest posts" here at PO.com.

Man, I might afta take part of that for my new sig.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ow.



That has GOT to be one of the all-time "greatest posts" here at PO.com.

Man, I might afta take part of that for my new sig.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'K')am, I missed if you said you're in the military over there in the ME.
Are you?

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'b')out like agentrwwff with his thule death chanting from day one followed up with a "WHA? ME A NEOCON?"