[Oakley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here is a strong "blame the victim" mentality on both the far left and the far right. The far left thinks that if you're vegan or something you live forever, while the far right you are supposed to pray harder so being sick must mean you have been bad (see the Book of Job where God himself comes down to slap "Job's comforters").

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', '.').. Another example of the difference between reliance on conventional medicine and using alternative knowledge is gall stones referenced in a later post in this thread. It is widely known outside of conventional medicine that a short fast followed by a cup of olive oil and grapefruit juice will expel the stones quite effectively without thousands of dollars of surgery and hospitalization.
Another example is the cholesterol myth, discussed in this article: [url=http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html]Sardi

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')learly you and I look at the world with different eyes. Your position seems to be reliance on the established medical system; I reject a significant portion of it. It is not a matter of being cheap; it is a matter of judgment as to what is effective and what is snake oil.

[vision-master]

Those that are older shall take care of the young, then one day, the young shall take care of the elders. Its a beautiful morning

[Crusty]

S*** ..... I'm glad I live in Australia. These replies sound like a Nightmare. Good luck to all on that S****** System!!

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Crusty', 'S')hit..... I'm glad I live in Australia. These replies sound like a Nightmare. Good luck to all on that Shitty System!!

[FairMaiden]

The problem is not the sick ppl, it's all the healthy ppl wasting resources. Check out any mommy board and everyone says the same thing..."it's normal but take him/her to the doctor"...if it's normal why waste the doctor's time? Then the multiple ultrasounds for no reason (1 is all you need if you have no problems)...the induced labour bc heaven forbid the baby is a week overdue (when the due date can err up to 2 weeks). Mandatory repeat c-sections when every baby and pregnancy is different...etc. It's ridiculous.

I'm in Canada so I have to say thank goodness we don't live there. Refusing to give heath care to the ppl who need it most - I think you call it "preexisting condition" is a terrible way to treat your citzenry for their patriotism. The USA is suppose to be the richest country in the world...

[stephankrasner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', '
')I'm in Canada so I have to say thank goodness we don't live there. Refusing to give heath care to the ppl who need it most - I think you call it "preexisting condition" is a terrible way to treat your citzenry for their patriotism. The USA is suppose to be the richest country in the world...

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')learly you and I look at the world with different eyes. Your position seems to be reliance on the established medical system; I reject a significant portion of it. It is not a matter of being cheap; it is a matter of judgment as to what is effective and what is snake oil.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', 'I') have Obamacare's new Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP). It is really great! .... with NO POLICY LIMIT!

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', 'S')ince I'm the one that started this thread, I would have good reason to cross my fingers for 6 months, then jump on the Obamacare health insurance wagon. EXCEPT I don't see how it can last.

[ritter]

In answer to your question, I currently have health care insurance through my employer for myself, wife and kid. It is an HSA/high deductible plan that costs me out of pocket $100/month for the policy. The company puts $ into the HSA account to cover deductibles. These days, it's a pretty solid plan. I don't have dental or vision but can use $ from the HSA to pay for those things.

The last three years, costs for the policies have gone up 20-40% per year. So far, the company has eaten it but each year the policy's deductible has risen. It's just a matter of time before I am paying considerably more for my policy.

Now for a bit of a rant on the current system. My sister works as a PA in an ER. She's got some classic stories of kids coming in with acute asthma symptoms. Mom/dad/kid all reek of cigarette smoke. Kid isn't using the inhaler prescribed two months ago. Why not? Because the parents couldn't scrap the $20 together or the motivation to refill it. Lay off the ********** cigs and take care of your kid, eh? This is not isolated to one family.

The point being, the general public doesn't know s*** about how to take care of themselves or their kids and the lack of affordable or socialized medical treatment makes the cost of treatment astronomical. It's god damned appalling that 1) the parents are smoking in enclosed spaces with the asthmatic kid 2) can't lay off the cigs long enough to scrap up $20 for kid's benefit 3) utilize the ER for treatment of acute symptoms that could be controlled with standard treatments and a change (for the better) in the parents' lifestyle. Instead, they go to the ER and we, the insured, foot the $5000 bill for a ********** inhaler.

Edited to keep it family friendly, per Pops.

[Pops]

Now now, this is a family show.

Otherwise I agree. I cant for the life of me figure out why there aren't thousands of small clinics and "prompt care" with GPs and NPs attached to ERs and stuck in strip malls everywhere.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyway, I believe that the upcoming years ... not distant future ... are going recast me in the role of "Lumpy, Kindred Creek Valley Medicine Woman." And the fact that I have a DEA license and prsecriptive authorithy is going to become way less important than the fact that we are developing an extensive herb garden and becoming certified herbalists.

[Cog]

My basic conclusion about health care is if you can afford it fine, if not then die. Just don't cry for me to pay for either your health care or you screwed up choices in life.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ritter', 'N')ow for a bit of a rant on the current system. My sister works as a PA in an ER. She's got some classic stories of kids coming in with acute asthma symptoms. Mom/dad/kid all reek of cigarette smoke. Kid isn't using the inhaler prescribed two months ago. Why not? Because the parents couldn't scrap the $20 together or the motivation to refill it. Lay off the f****** cigs and take care of your kid, eh? This is not isolated to one family. ...
It's god damned appalling that 1) the parents are smoking in enclosed spaces with the asthmatic kid 2) can't lay off the cigs long enough to scrap up $20 for kid's benefit 3) utilize the ER for treatment of acute symptoms that could be controlled with standard treatments and a change (for the better) in the parents' lifestyle. Instead, they go to the ER and we, the insured, foot the $5000 bill for a f****** inhaler.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')y basic conclusion about health care is if you can afford it fine, if not then die. Just don't cry for me to pay for either your health care or you screwed up choices in life.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')y basic conclusion about health care is if you can afford it fine, if not then die. Just don't cry for me to pay for either your health care or you screwed up choices in life.

[vision-master]

I got over it.... (mostly) Just remember Cog.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') got over it.... (mostly)

Just remember Cog.