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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 02:55:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is not a rational thought. Logic is not your forte. You know and I know it.


No, it's rational, as there's no way to prepare for a predicament that one argues won't take place.

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And, for the record, I never said CC/AGW was irrelevant. It's very relevant. But so what? So is the fact that winter is coming. I can't change that either. I just prepare for it.



Your third sentence contradicts your second. And the effects of AGW are not the same as "winter is coming," unless of course the effects are as ordinary as a change in seasons.

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')And I never suggested that PO or CC should be ignored. Quite on the contrary. I strongly suggest preparing for it, if you want to live relatively well in the coming decades.


Well, one way of not ignoring them is to talk about them in forums. You seem to want the opposite, as seen in your next paragraph.

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What I suggested, which nobody has yet seemed to take issue with, really, is that people will not change, no matter how much evidence is put in front of them. Unless there is a dramatic, immediate effect upon folks caused by CC, then they are simply not going to stop burning FFs. Nobody cares. It's as simple as that. We had a mild winter here. If that was caused by CC, then most folks around here would be pro CC. I'm sure the folks in Canada are hoping global temps go up a few degrees.

It's as simply as this - why spend time and effort on something that can't be changed.



You seem to be caught in two contradictory views: you argue that these issues are relevant, but if some think otherwise, then you should not waste your time convincing them.

Now, why would anyone who has made up his or her mind about predicaments like AGW or PO, i.e., claim that they are not true, bother to visit a forum about PO?

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')Unless, of course, you think it can't be changed, in which case my response is that you are hoping for a miracle, because in several million years of human evolution, humans have never - not once - preserved a valuable resource for future generations at their own expense.


The issue isn't changing people's minds but reinforcing what we've known about AGW and PO in forums that discuss both. Now, if you don't need convincing, then you don't need to visit this forum or to reply. But why do you want others not to respond to anyone who posts and, say, argue that AGW or PO is a lie?

Your views make no sense to me.
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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby FUTILITIST1 » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 09:30:12

Ferretlover,

I believe (it's really hard to remember) that I posted a link to an open, serious, and friendly debate in the place that now carries your notice to me. I do not understand. The link was very relevent to the topic being discussed. I came here to complain about censorship at TOD. The thread already existed. I left some links to explain what happened (I don't know if you removed those, too). Some folks here expressed a point of view very much different than mine. I directed them to a serious ongoing debate they might be interested in and unaware of. You call this "Linkbaiting" and remove the link. Wow! I come to peakoil.com hoping to find some refuge from internet censorship, to complain about censorship at TOD, and I find myself censored all over again! What is your personal opinion of the untouchable (meaning beyond criticism or suspicion) John Michael Greer? Are you sure your opinion doesn't account for your decision to censor my post?

Thanks a lot,

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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:10:48

It's poor form to come to this board and post a link advertising another board.

Want to have a conversation, debate, etc? Have at it.

Want advertising? Pay for it.
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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby FUTILITIST1 » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 13:03:07

Hello Pops,

You said:
"It's poor form to come to this board and post a link advertising another board."

You sound like the etiquette police. I've seen this before.

You go on to say:
"Want to have a conversation, debate, etc? Have at it.
Want advertising? Pay for it."

What I want is something like an open internet. One that promotes, rather than restricts, the free and open exchage of ideas that I crave. I guess I shouldn't be so naive.

And what's with the Daniel Yergin quotes, anyway? Are you serious?

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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 13:13:36

Good for you, it takes $10 to register a domain, go for it.
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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 13:28:19

LOL, no wonder you are a futilist, you come here bitching about 2 other sites, recommending a 3rd and within 4 posts you are bitching about this one.

Ever get the idea the problem is you, not everyone else?

Open debate of Overnight Armageddon vs long term decline vs ...boldly going where no man has gone before... is what we've been doing for eight years.

Here's a suggestion, instead of whining about all the places where you can't argue you point, why not start a thread to argue your point?
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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 13:56:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FUTILITIST1', ' ')...The link was very relevent to the topic being discussed. I came here to complain about censorship at TOD. The thread already existed. ... I directed them to a serious ongoing debate they might be interested in and unaware of. You call this "Linkbaiting" and remove the link. ... What is your personal opinion of the untouchable (meaning beyond criticism or suspicion) John Michael Greer? Are you sure your opinion doesn't account for your decision to censor my post?

Futilist1, apparently you missed reading the Code of Conduct Topic in the Welcome Forum. Your post was in violation of:

2.1.4 If you have some complaint, click on the appropriate box in that post and file a report, or, contact any Staff member.
3.0 The following post content is subject to edit/deletion with or without notification to the poster by the Staff member moderating that post:
3.1.7 Unsolicited advertisements: This includes offering goods, services, employment (except within the Jobs forum), or soliciting donations. This also includes advertising for a website. If you have something to sell, please contact an administrator and buy a banner.
3.1.13 Link baiting: prohibited. Posts created with the primary intent of directing traffic to a web link are prohibited. Such posts are subject to deletion without notification to the poster. The behavior is regarded as a serious violation of the COC.
In addition: 1.0 We reserve the right to remove any post or thread that we consider disruptive or inappropriate, even if that post is not specifically forbidden by our published rules.

While I do understand your frustration, I also have a primary responsibility to PeakOil.com, its Posters and its Staff to maintain some semblence of order and relevance to the discussion of hydrocarbons and its effects on humanity.
We did away with our Hall of Flames years ago.
I am sorry you are unhappy about your post, but the rules are the rules.
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PS: At the moment, I neither know who John Michael Greer is, nor do I care. In the end, personalities will have no bearing on resource depletion.
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Re: Has TOD booted anyone else off recently?

Unread postby FUTILITIST1 » Sun 09 Sep 2012, 14:43:28

Ferretlover,

Thanks for your prompt answer. You are correct that I did not read the code of conduct. That's no excuse, but I swear I did not mean any harm. You guys have obviously given a lot of thought to all of this. I will try to be more respectful from here on out.

And forgive also the unfounded accusation. I certainly should know better by now! :wink:

Cool puppy BTW!

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