[billp]

Pup55

I was on sabbatical leave in 1972-3 at U Illinois Urbana Champaign.

And I went to work for Sandia labs in 1980.

This gas [oil, natural gas, coal, water,..] crisis may be much worse than all before if, in fact, we have now past peak productions.

We will see.

We're working on a legasl crisis ... and hopefully will win.

[pup55]

Ay Caramba! Crisis is right!

Anyway you are right, the twin problems of the pre-disco and disco eras had this in common: we still had the resources to eventually get out of them. Although annoying, they at least were not permanent, and I think we kind of knew it at the time.

But if the next crisis occurs and we find out that we cannot go back, the approach will have to be different: I suppose we will have to go through the four stages of grief or whatever, and the survivors figure out how to cope.

[Gazzatrone]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') wish the price would just jump to $4.50 or more. Yeah, it might hurt some industries, cause some pain, but consumption needs to be cut and fast.

[DoubleD]

The end of the word as we know it.... is not the end of the world.

There is the potential for a life that includes humans - but on a more sustainable scenario. It would be a much smaller population worldwide, and it would not be the "life" we know today.

I don't consider it doomerish to wish for a transition from the completely unsustainable - to something that works. Sadly, the chaos and loss in between will be horrendous and many will not make it to the next phase of human existence.... but the alternative is that no one will.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AP', 'W')orse than I thought

[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gazzatrone', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') wish the price would just jump to $4.50 or more. Yeah, it might hurt some industries, cause some pain, but consumption needs to be cut and fast.

[shortonoil]

Gazzatrone said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]frankthetank wrote:

I wish the price would just jump to $4.50 or more. Yeah, it might hurt some industries, cause some pain, but consumption needs to be cut and fast.

[Gazzatrone]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]Gazzatrone said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]frankthetank wrote:

I wish the price would just jump to $4.50 or more. Yeah, it might hurt some industries, cause some pain, but consumption needs to be cut and fast.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', '
')I'll tell you what motivates me about higher gas prices to force conservation among the masses. Maybe the sooner the pain starts, the sooner it'll end? Kinda like pulling a bandage off quickly versus slowly...

Maybe rather than "partying on" and leaving the mess for our kids we can get the ball rolling so they aren't surprised by what’s coming?

I'm not talking mass die off and ceasing to use oil but a nice price jump will knock the consumers off their pedestals and show them the realities of the future energy crisis.

[sdcoyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AP', 'W')orse than I thought

[Pops]

I think so too Coy, nothing drastic unless one is very vulnerable.

But perhaps assessing the pantry and reassessing the entire situation might be beneficial in the short and medium term.

Couldn’t hurt in any event.

[shortonoil]

Gazzatrone said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen using phrases such as "I wish" and consumption needs to be, these are very subjective uses of language, these are not of unmitigated fear but desire.

[tmazanec1]

I hope that prices rise to where it is sensible to invest in renewables and alternate energy, and to minimize consumption. Then maybe we can reach the thing I hope for (a nanotech future).
What I hope for and what I get may be two different things, of course.

[AirlinePilot]

An orderly and positive worldwide economic environment will be needed to "get there". IMHO this is not what is going down. Even if any collapse is slow the time to do something, anything, is basically passed. The only hope now is to mitigate the downside, and even that seems like it's probably too late.

[roccman]

I don't think "balanced" is in the plan...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8861&hl=en

[shortonoil]

AirlinePilot said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n orderly and positive worldwide economic environment will be needed to "get there". IMHO this is not what is going down. Even if any collapse is slow the time to do something, anything, is basically passed. The only hope now is to mitigate the downside, and even that seems like it's probably too late.

[Denny]

We will all know gas prices are too high when the month comes in which consumption starts to decine, Right now year over year consumtion consumpltion has been increasing, not decreasing. Everybody likes to gripe. But, we are not yet motivated to change our ways.

But, I am starting to think of better options for commuting.

When the consumers feel motivated to actually change habits to adapt that will mark the point in which producers get competitive on pricing.

Its the infamous "invisible hand" that Adam Smith wrote about three centuries ago. Just as true in the 21st centuryas it was in the 18th.

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'A')n orderly and positive worldwide economic environment will be needed to "get there". IMHO this is not what is going down. Even if any collapse is slow the time to do something, anything, is basically passed. The only hope now is to mitigate the downside, and even that seems like it's probably too late.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', 'I')'ll tell you what motivates me about higher gas prices to force conservation among the masses.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tmazanec1', 'I') hope that prices rise to where it is sensible to invest in renewables and alternate energy, and to minimize consumption.