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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 16:18:20

Ah, some sensible posts here along with the loony cat lover shit.

cool!!

and I'm very very proud to be considered a dickhead, and I love shooting small animals and watching 'em drop.

I am just sensible about it. Starlings, stray cats, feral dogs, basically animals that have no place and are a plague, and that includes any neighbors that give me trouble that I can get away with dispatching. bang bang.

Are you doing YOUR part towards the dieoff? (insert happy face pointing finger at viewer here)
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Cornelian » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 16:31:33

Feral cats are a massive problem in Australia - many local councils keep very strict bylaws on cat ownership. People have to be responsible for their cats and they cannot allow their cats to stray. I keep my cats either inside or in enclosures.

However, the feral cat problem was created by people. Do we address the cat problem first, or the people problem which causes it? I find it interesting that people seem to focus their hate on the victims of humanity's sins, rather than on the perpetrators.

Hatred directed towards the victims of our own behaviour, I think, is always driven by a sense of deep self-failure and self-loathing.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Narz » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 16:55:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'a')nd I'm very very proud to be considered a dickhead, and I love shooting small animals and watching 'em drop.

I am just sensible about it. Starlings, stray cats, feral dogs, basically animals that have no place and are a plague, and that includes any neighbors that give me trouble that I can get away with dispatching. bang bang.

Are you doing YOUR part towards the dieoff? (insert happy face pointing finger at viewer here)

Based on your resume and goals I'd say perhaps the greatest thing you could accomplish is one of those murder rampages w/ a suicide sundae for dessert. :idea:

That's the proactive approach. Better than getting shot by some other dickhead sooner or later (which seems nearly inevitable if you're as anti-social as you appear here in real life).

For liability purposes I'm actually just kidding & wish you and everyone else love & light
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 20:04:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')I am just sensible about it. Starlings, stray cats, feral dogs, basically animals that have no place and are a plague, and that includes any neighbors that give me trouble that I can get away with dispatching. bang bang.

Are you doing YOUR part towards the dieoff? (insert happy face pointing finger at viewer here)

Based on your resume and goals I'd say perhaps the greatest thing you could accomplish is one of those murder rampages w/ a suicide sundae for dessert. :idea:
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 20:04:47

oh ILP's just trying to be humorous.

I read a book once called '101 things to do with a dead cat'. Something like that anyhow.

It was really funny.... in an ILP sort of way. :)

Merry Christmas ILP and to everyone else as well.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby tecumseh » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 20:37:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'A') stray cat is a dead cat. Keep your cats in your house!

I will kill your cat. Sorry. I like wild birds more than your cat.


I like cats for who they are. There is much to learn from their stealth and patience, and they can be like little zen masters, but they belong indoors unless they have a job keeping rats out of cities or barns. I also like birds more than cats. The birds represent balance and our cats represent imbalance in the wild. Wild cats are another extension of our environmental destruction.

I will have no problem dispatching AND eating cats in the future (with due respect of course). I love Sweet and Sour Pork. Keep the cats in your house. There won't be many wild ones around here if protien is in short supply.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby gg3 » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 21:48:09

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Just a reminder:

There was a medieval pope who decreed that cats were the devil's familiars, and that all good Christians should go out and kill cats, inflicting as much suffering on them as possible in order to torment the devil.

The people of Europe did as they were told.

Minus cats, major increase in rats and mice.

Thence the plague.

The moral of the story is, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

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I say forget about cats and ration babies instead.

Calculate the amount of time we have to ramp down the population to a sustainable level without tipping the planet into anything worse than a +2 Celsius scenario, and then calculate the number of births each year to reach that point, and divide by number of families, gives us the number of permissible babies per family.

This number will be less than 1.

Thus, a less-than-one-child policy worldwide. Probably something like one child per three or four families.

Hold a lottery or let families compete in some way for the baby permits.

Locally of course. Auctioning baby permits on Ebay won't do any good as they'll all be bought by people in the most consumption-intensive countries.

Instead do it by zip code in the US, postal code in the rest of the developed world, and tribal affiliation or any other characteristic that maps to locality in the rest of the world.

Human population goes down, number of cats goes down along with.

Problem(s) solved.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Narz » Mon 24 Dec 2007, 22:50:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')hanks....... :-D Yeah...... :-D I know...... :-D

Don't really do that, I don't even know you and people who admit their assholicness are better than those who don't. I'm embarrassed as to my suggestion. Anyone here should definitely not off themselves and controversially I'd say anyone here should not worry about limiting their own reproduction (not all humans are equal in terms of the good/evil they do). Anyway, I do get a little defensive about my cats but at the same time I can understand why lovers of wild life get so bent out of shape about them (my cats don't kill much around here but in rural Utah where the bird population was unaccustomed to predators my female cat caught and ate a bird almost daily). The feral cat situation is ridiculous in a lot of places I've lived (most notably Miami & Astoria, NY) was pretty bad. My two cats now are 75% feral (their mother was half wild & their father, who knows, the bastard didn't stick around :-D). I don't keep them in though, as I consider it somewhat abusive, like parents who won't let their children leave the house & make them do all the chores.

Anyway, I understand all you cat haters but then again, as gg3 says I think much of your anger is misplaced.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Jenab6 » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 03:04:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('psyop101', 'T')he real feral cats are tough to get a good shot at. Invest in a small bait trap and don't waste your ammo :)
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I have four of these things. Do you know that raccoons can bend the rod that springs the door shut, and sometimes they can roll the cage over, open the door, and escape! I think maybe sometimes another raccoon will help the trapped one get loose.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Falconoffury » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 07:04:23

Stray cats let loose in New Zealand is why the Kiwi bird is on the brink of extinction. Shoot them!
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 15:25:14

I'd like to see some real proof on the medieval rats and mice thing.... for one thing, if it was around the time of the plagues, a decrease in humans means an increase in rats and mice often.... ask any WWI vet who was in the trenches. Also, an increase in grains and vegetation in general means an increase in rats and mice, every wet summer in the West means more deer mice and more hantavirus...

Also, owls and birds of prey in general do a good job on rats and mice. So do weasels.

I like that coons can let themselves out of a trap, since I don't want to trap them.

Housemate here has suggested that if we trap any cats, throw 'em into the yard where a friend's dogs are kept, one dog is mellow but the other one will eat the cat. Entertainment for all!

I grew up with cats, had favorite cats, named cats, played with cats, and in general had a friggin ball with cats growing up. But they are dirty, smelly, spread hair and piss everywhere, and show me someone who depends on cats rather then fellow humans for companionship and I'll show you a psychological cripple.

If you want to appreciate an animal for what it is, learn to appreciate birds, while we still have a wide number of species of them.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 15:25:25

I'd like to see some real proof on the medieval rats and mice thing.... for one thing, if it was around the time of the plagues, a decrease in humans means an increase in rats and mice often.... ask any WWI vet who was in the trenches. Also, an increase in grains and vegetation in general means an increase in rats and mice, every wet summer in the West means more deer mice and more hantavirus...

Also, owls and birds of prey in general do a good job on rats and mice. So do weasels.

I like that coons can let themselves out of a trap, since I don't want to trap them.

Housemate here has suggested that if we trap any cats, throw 'em into the yard where a friend's dogs are kept, one dog is mellow but the other one will eat the cat. Entertainment for all!

I grew up with cats, had favorite cats, named cats, played with cats, and in general had a friggin ball with cats growing up. But they are dirty, smelly, spread hair and piss everywhere, and show me someone who depends on cats rather then fellow humans for companionship and I'll show you a psychological cripple.

If you want to appreciate an animal for what it is, learn to appreciate birds, while we still have a wide number of species of them.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 15:52:30

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I grew up with cats, had favorite cats, named cats, played with cats, and in general had a friggin ball with cats growing up. But they are dirty, smelly, spread hair and piss everywhere, and show me someone who depends on cats rather then fellow humans for companionship and I'll show you a psychological cripple.

If you want to appreciate an animal for what it is, learn to appreciate birds, while we still have a wide number of species of them.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 16:42:58

had a problem with a neighbor's cat pissing all over my front steps, I'd come home from work and get a big whiff of cat pee, that's the last things I needed.

I came home one night and the cat jumped off of the front steps and started ambling away..... it thought it was more safe because of darkness, well, I kept a pellet gun around cocked and ready to go .... got it, aimed, damn can't see through the peep sight, wait, at night you aim down the side of your M16 lol, this pellet gun has a flat side... did that, YEOW got him.

Problem solved.

Later, had a problem with a cat pissing all over what was once an enjoyable to be in backyard. Caught him sitting out there, Pow in the ass - what was interesting was the cat levitated so fast, it was like an old film that they've spliced together, missing a few frames lol. He really howled too.

Problem solved.

I'm sorry I have no sympathy for crazy cat people and their little bird killing piss machines lol.

Dogs can be very very cool. Recently there was a film clip on Reddit showing a dog defending his injured pal against full-on traffic, in Korea no less. A cat would just walk away.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Narz » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 17:15:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') grew up with cats, had favorite cats, named cats, played with cats, and in general had a friggin ball with cats growing up. But they are dirty, smelly, spread hair and piss everywhere,

Your family must've taken shit care of them (or maybe they were long-hairs which, little little dogs, are freaks that never should have been). My cats are always clean, never smell & barely shed. Dogs all the other hand are filthy high maintenance beasts (don't get me wrong, I love dogs, especially the ones people love to hate like pitbulls but they're a lot more work & cost a lot more food & have a much larger ecological footprint, albeit not as localized as cats).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'a')nd show me someone who depends on cats rather then fellow humans for companionship and I'll show you a psychological cripple.

Well not everyone can be as psychologically sound as you ol' chap. ;)

You could also say the same thing about people who depend on the Internet for companionship but in the end, who gives a fuck. Life laughs at our pristine ideals about where we should get our solace from. Better to get it thru an animal than a bottle & better to get it from online than a bunch of go-nowhere jerkoffs drinking 40's on your couch (at least that's how I feel). Animals don't have the issues humans do (unless they're raised by fucked up humans). Not to say they're an adequate replacement (just as online "friends" don't replace real ones) but one does that best one can under difficult circumstances.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')'m sorry I have no sympathy for crazy cat people and their little bird killing piss machines lol.

My cats only piss in the dirt. I don't even have a little box. They're good nitrogen fixers. If they come on your property I can see firing some warning shots at 'em but not killing them. How about you Plants, do you eat any birds?

I'm not claiming cats are "good", I'm just claiming they're not as horrible as you make them out to be.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 17:34:27

Here's a good holiday song for those who go out for Chinese food on Xmas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxrMC5Pv4

No, cats are not all bad, not bad at all fried extra crispy.... :P
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 18:22:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')No, cats are not all bad, not bad at all fried extra crispy.... :P
I suppose not, provided you've got a good supply of cooking oil and some fuel. Otherwise you'll have to have them baked or roasted. Poor little putty cat. I'm sure they didn't know how we would turn on them.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Narz » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 19:06:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'N')o, cats are not all bad, not bad at all fried extra crispy.... :P

Well they probably wouldn't be very good nutrition considering the quality of commercial cat food.
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 20:00:52

It will pay them back for all the old people who die in their apartments and are chewed on by their faithful cats, or, in the words of Dewey in the show Malcolm In The Middle, "Cats ate her face!"
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Re: Feral cats

Unread postby Narz » Tue 25 Dec 2007, 20:47:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')t will pay them back for all the old people who die in their apartments and are chewed on by their faithful cats

And why not? In the sad occasion I die before them I'd let myself be fed to them (better than wasting a plot of land in a graveyard, if you love your birds so, you should rail against those too). Make me into fertilizer ten times faster. But not for your soil you ungrateful bastard! :lol:
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