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ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

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ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:11:35

No this isn't a review. I haven't finished reading it yet (I started with Vol 2 as I already know "civilization" sucks). Volume 2 advocates the deliberate destruction of "civilization"; this probably violates the site CoC.

Anyone else out there reading this book? Let's talk. Knowing what we know, do we now have an OBLIGATION to stop the holocaust of our current "civilization" by ANY MEANS NECESSARY? Including murderous, violent acts. Reading this book may make you change the way you're dealing with the current insane state of humanity.
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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:15:53

some real reviews
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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:17:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'd')o we now have an OBLIGATION to stop the holocaust of our current "civilization" by ANY MEANS NECESSARY? Including murderous, violent acts. Reading this book may make you change the way you're dealing with the current insane state of humanity.
I sincerely doubt it. so, wolf man of the mountain, are you growing plants or making bombs?

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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:18:20

By what means did "we" stop the Nazi holocaust?
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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:24:54

WWII is irrelevant here. This is like the old Russian Nihilist movement of the 19th century. Civilization is Evil and must be destroyed. Why don't you just grow your gardens and let things take their course. If you actually followed this authors advice you'd just lose everything you have worked for over the past 30 years. An eco-martyr is what you want to be? We've got enough crazy martyrs in the world already.
Also, something tells me the Jensen isn't making any bombs or else he wouldn't be so open about these kinds of ideas. So that makes him an instigator for other people to commit violence to "save the planet".
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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:31:32

I think I'm in a lose-lose situation. If I just sit back "civilization" may destroy itself and if I'm lucky not me. It's also quite likely, that if I do "nothing" (i.e. acts of violent resistence) I will still lose everything I've worked for.

Is there ANY way out, at this point?
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Re: ENDGAME in 2 Vols, Derrick Jensen

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 17:39:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'I')s there ANY way out, at this point?

there you go, you asked me the other day how I could not have any plans to head for the hills and wouldn't it be stressful? I've got some modest ideas that probably won't work for a general collapse. Beyond that, there isn't really anything to do but hope and live day to day.
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