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Re: Election Results

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 04 Nov 2012, 11:41:32

Whoever gets a nomination to become a pilot of this failing aircraft, future will be the same and rather not nice for all/most of concerned.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Pops » Sun 04 Nov 2012, 12:06:26

I wasn't arguing fish, just sayin. I've been quoting 538 blog all year because Nate Silver (being the geek he is) theoretically takes all those various numbers into account along with factoring in the biases exhibited by individual pollsters over past elections.

Go to Intrade.com and with your insight you can make a killing, they have it 65/35 Obama.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Pops » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 09:28:53

So the question is, are the R's more inclined to compromise?

I didn't watch much TV coverage (reading Snow Mountain Passage, a novel about the Donner party) I know Akin lost, Bauchman won and Carl Rove showed just how fair and balanced fox is, LOL. I guess if the election was, as some said, a referendum on big government, then at least the results seem to be in favor of some government.

Really the whole thing still boils down to what the Rs want. Another four years of filibusters may be Grovers idea of success but if so I'm gonna say they'll be worse off in '16 - even if they nominate a latino, which after Steel, won't surprise me a bit, I'll even predict it here and now.


So in that case I'm thinking that immigration reform will happen too but not in the way the extremists pray for, it will probably include the dream act.

Perhaps some version of the Grand Bargain.

And considering how completely Wall Street abandoned the Ds I'll guess we will see an increase in regulation there.

Don't want to get too carried away...
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Lore » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 10:13:40

It's pretty obvious the GOP, or party of angry old white men, has reached its limits. With 61% of the white vote, it would have been assumed that they'd have swept the election like Bush Sr. did with the same number. However, the new demographics have finally come into play and it looks like the minorities have now become the majority. I really don't know how the far right and their Rush Limbaughs and Fox News talking heads are ever going to convince the evangelical Tea Party base to embrace a bigger tent.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 10:27:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')t's pretty obvious the GOP, or party of angry old white men, has reached its limits. With 61% of the white vote, it would have been assumed that they'd have swept the election like Bush Sr. did with the same number. However, the new demographics have finally come into play and it looks like the minorities have now become the majority. I really don't know how the far right and their Rush Limbaughs and Fox News talking heads are ever going to convince the evangelical Tea Party base to embrace a bigger tent.


The R's should have won this by all historical standards. This unprecedented result will be analyzed for the next century. I think Mitt did everything possible to be a great candidate (ignoring the hidden camera video and that stupid, stupid Chrysler-China lie) and they had more money than the other side so other excuses will have to be found. It is true that components of the GOP outside of Mitt's control (Akin, Mourdock) seemed to go out of their way to alienate many elements of the electorate (like women).

The GOP will have to set more realistic goals. I hear Mitch McConnell has stated that their number one priority is now to deny Obama a third term :lol:
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 13:00:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')t's pretty obvious the GOP, or party of angry old white men, has reached its limits. With 61% of the white vote, it would have been assumed that they'd have swept the election like Bush Sr. did with the same number. However, the new demographics have finally come into play and it looks like the minorities have now become the majority.


Lore is exactly right. Demographics are destiny.

When you add Hispanics to the dems' formidable number of constituencies (blacks, unmarried women, the young, labor, gays, affluent liberals) they have a majority coalition that is likely to grow even more dominant in the coming years as the number of Hispanics continues to increase and the number of old whites inexorably decrease. :idea:
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 13:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azblue82', 'O')bams wins the Presidency. Repubs maintain control of the House and Dems maintain control of the Senate. The status quo will be maintained for the most part, but we will get to see the changes due to Obamacare. Adding 30 million people or so to an existing health care system that is about to be turned upside down by Peak Oil should be interesting to say the least.

I would definitely like to read what others think about peak oil and changes in health care services due to the changes in law and scientific reality.


I find your point of view very interesting. I work around healthcare today and can say that while there are so many employed in the field I can't see a huge hiring boom happening going forward with the expansion, nor do I foresee a great reduction in rates charged to get insurance. The best thing that can happen is for the average cost of health insurance to stay still, while the average person's take home pay goes down. The crux of the problem lies in how far removed the idea of healthcare is from the reality of the markets. Healthcare does not make an ideal market precisely because there is so much marketing involved in it and because personal choice is not involved in the immediacy of healthcare decisions, experts and expediency make those decisions.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Narz » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 13:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Don35', 'O')bama wins, US and world collapse.
Romney win, US and world collapse. :(


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Whichever party "wins", it will mean the last time that party wins, for a long, long, long, time.

We've heard that before here, about the 2008 election.

I'd love to believe we'll have a better system than Democrats & Republicans by 2016 but I think that's a little optimistic. ;)
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby Pops » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 14:13:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'H')ealthcare does not make an ideal market precisely because there is so much marketing involved in it and because personal choice is not involved in the immediacy of healthcare decisions, experts and expediency make those decisions.

I agree. There is no cost consciousness except to increase profits. The patient has no idea of cost, the doctor likewise has no idea of cost except his fee. The only time cost enters the picture is when the insurance company sets the premium or the employer decides to pay it.

My dear wife went to the doc for arthritis, NSAID pain meds no longer worked and she needed something a little better. The doc says take (insert TV marketed patent med) and DW asks what is the cost because we pay cash, doc doesn't know. He writes the script and turns out the patent med costs $1,400... per month! We laugh and tell the doc (via email) that ain't gonna happen, doc says OK, take this: an old generic drug that costs about $10 per month! It works fine, no side effects evident after a year now.

I looked online at some arthritis forum where the question was how much is this patent med and 9 of 10 answers was $15 or $20 - the amount of the co-pay. No wonder "health" care is so expensive.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby autonomous » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 14:42:56

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The Washington measure may generate as much as $1.9 billion in revenue over five fiscal years, according to the state’s Office of Financial Management.
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Re: Election Results

Unread postby sparky » Wed 07 Nov 2012, 17:32:57

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This election has shown the U.S. to be as steady as an iron spike
no change whatsoever , only a reinforcment of the situation ante election
a militant Republican house of reps , a democratic senate and the same POTUS
the problems are the same , a one dollar government with a 60 cents revenue

Romney probably would have been a mistake , the guy was too good at lying to everybody
the fluffyness of his program smelt like bull , looked like bull , felt like bull and tasted like bull
it's hard to believe it's vitamins
the Tea Party got him Ryan as a side kick to keep him in line
Obama got in with an assist from God , the ultimate October surprise
and the fact that Frakking in the Middwest created a mini boom in Ohio construction industry
all those rigs , trucks and manpower lifted employment in that state

Pretty much all the country district voted Romney all the city district voted Obama
the cleavage country/city is absolute

@ Lore , it's not just the old white men who lost the election , it's all the white men
from the dominant governance they are now a large shriking minority to be managed or ignored
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