[aldente]

Could you be a bit more specific please Aaron, what do you refer to as "our video"?

I touched base by the way with the producer of "Oil Crash" in Switzerland and he indicated that the scheduled output (shall we call it) is mid 2006. Then again, he has no problem with reliesing the movie in the spring, partticularly in the US area which is "no matter what" alway considered the trend setter to put it mildly in this particular case.

I assure you though that I will get access to upfront online screenings but this will be a matter of dealing with Aaron direct.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'C')ould you be a bit more specific please Aaron, what do you refer to as "our video"?

I touched base by the way with the producer of "Oil Crash" in Switzerland and he indicated that the scheduled output (shall we call it) is mid 2006. Then again, he has no problem with reliesing the movie in the spring, partticularly in the US area which is "no matter what" alway considered the trend setter to put it mildly in this particular case.

I assure you though that I will get access to upfront online screenings but this will be a matter of dealing with Aaron direct.

[jupiter422]

I'm watching it right now I'm about 10 minutes into the movie .

Thanks Aaron for elaborating on how to find peak video.

I'm glad I'm not one of the stupider people in your quote.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')On the left side of your screen is a box labeled "menu". If you scroll down this "menu", you will find a choice named "Peak Video". (which is a link to this page http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22peak+oil%22)

That linked page is a search of google video for "peak oil" & includes The Post Carbon Institutes posted copy of EOS.

The videos change every now and again, but the EOS video has been there for some time now.

[Kod]

I showed The End of Suburbia to my parents tonight. They're both in their lower 50's.

I've been trying to slowly introduce them to peak oil over the last several months. I bring up energy issues in casual discussion, and often wonder out loud, "what happens when gas gets even more expensive?" I've also started looking into investing in energy and metals, which has really got my parents interested in oil. I thought that with all this preparation, their minds would be open to accept the full reality of peak oil. It was time to show them The End of Suburbia.

Well, it was mostly a failure. My dad believes that the statistics must have been fudged in order to suit the director's bias. I told him that I've studied the statistics and know that they are solid. He didn't believe me, and also offered the "somebody will invent some brilliant solution" argument. There isn't much I can say to that, other than to appeal to his inner boy scout by suggesting he prepare for the worst. He just doesn't want to hear of it.

My mom I have hopes for. She appeared silent and contemplative, and her only words after the movie were, "I guess I should learn how to can foods again."

My parents are healthy people and have a good 30 or 40 years of life ahead of them. I want them to be able to enjoy their retirement, but I don't know how it will be possible if they don't plan properly. It's frustrating, partly because I have to worry about their future, but mostly because I can't stand having my loved ones blatantly disregard something I've invested so much time and effort into for their sake.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kod', 'I')t's frustrating, partly because I have to worry about their future, but mostly because I can't stand having my loved ones blatantly disregard something I've invested so much time and effort into for their sake.

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t takes most people a long time to accept peak oil.

[crapattack]

Well I thought I should give everyone an update so far. I was on the west coast for a week and thought this would be a good time to start to introduce the parents to the topic... it sort of worked...

I didn't end up showing them EofS. I think we're taking the 'easing in' approach. Dad surprised me a great deal and seemed to totally agree with it, and didn't once offer up any abiotic oil nonsense. Now I don't know if that's good or bad, I got the feeling he was just being polite. Mom listened but seemed ready to spout off the "they'll think of something" response when the ferry came and it was time to part. We intentionally kept it until the last part of our trip, not just so we didn't spoil the fun, but to just intro them in small amounts. Next time she'll have a bunch of questions. We see them next week so we'll bring it up again.

As we want them to buy land and live with us we figure we'll have to take it slowly. It'll be such a big change for them, as it is for us too, it's important we all take our time to make the right choices. As time goes by I've become more considered and realise I can make some plans without them if they choose to do something else, and that is fine with me. I see this is a good thing as I don't think it's wise to operate from a sense of panic. Anyhow, next week I will show them EofS and then we'll see where the conversation goes.

[timofsuburbia]

I showed the End of Suburbia to my parents just before Thanksgiving. It was a huge success. My father is very astute in world affairs and history so this kicked off a 2-3 hour discussion in regard to peak oil, dollar hegemony, American Empire, the history of Western influence in the Middle East dating back to the Ottoman Empire.

I was thrilled.

Now I've got my mom stocking up for Bird Flu.

[pedalling_faster]

i tried something similar ... i gave my mom a print-out of a news article about energy shortages, a 5 pager, while she was reading the newspaper, one day while i was staying there.

not interested.

abiotic oil is actually not "vaporware" - if you put the right materials and bake them the right way, you can make oil abiotically in the lab. yes, some of the known oil reservoirs may be abiotic or partially abiotic in origin.

a moot point though.

you're lucky to have a chance to talk with your father about it. i think my father would have found it fascinating.

how does the end of suburbia treat the subject of food riots ? anybody could describe that part of the movie in greater detail ?

[crapattack]

Latest update:

Well we finally showed them the movie. It went over amazingly well! They were very chatty and almost happy about it, saying they'd known about this and that was why they never bought a clothes dryer . Everything was going swimmingly until we said that we are actually changing our plans about life based on this. Instead of finishing my PhD, which I can see no point doing now, the idea is to move from the city, buy land and get things going while we have the time. This was met with much more uncomfortableness. Mom didn't like the idea of me "giving up on life" and couldn't accept that the timelines are so short. She did engage in a bit of "they'll think of something" talk. Dad was much more realistic in that he agreed it was sad but there wouldn't really be any need in the future for PhD's in my speciality - far better to acquire survival skills.

I'm glad they've seen it but it feels a bit anti-climactic now. We still have a lot of thinking to do as a family, but they did say they would be willing to move to the place we thought was best.

[caliginousface]

What's the general concensus?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHr8OzaloLM I dig it.

[DoomersUnite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barry', 'T')HE END IS COMING!
------------------------------

The price of natural gas is soaring. Next it will be oil.
The North American Way of Life as we know it may be doomed by an imminent energy crisis.

[zberry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe an update on this idea is due soon, considering whats happened during the last 2 years in which we HAVEN'T had an energy crisis? Imminent meaning it should have been here already, and isn't.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomersUnite', '
')
Natural gas prices are currently crashing, isn't it amazing what a few more years prespective can do for a Doomer? And Peak Oil isn't an ENERGY crisis, its an OIL crisis, and not even a URR one, but more of a current production rate problem.

Maybe an update on this idea is due soon, considering whats happened during the last 2 years in which we HAVEN'T had an energy crisis? Imminent meaning it should have been here already, and isn't.

[DantesPeak]

Yep, it's getting warmer. GW or not, prior seasonal trends have been disorted.

I personally think at the peak of the next solar cycle, around 2010, we will experience a litteral hell of a hot summer.

Hope there is still some extra NG around then, because those McMansions won't be any fun to be in without air conditioning.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst Half of Year in U.S.
Was Warmest on Record

Associated Press
July 14, 2006 2:23 p.m.

WASHINGTON -- The first half of the year was the warmest on record for the U.S.

The government reported Friday that the average temperature for the 48 contiguous U.S. from January through June was 51.8 degrees Fahrenheit, or 3.4 degrees above average for the 20th century. That made it the warmest such period since recordkeeping began in 1895, the National Climatic Data Center reported.

No state was cooler than average and five states -- Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, and Missouri -- experienced record warmth for the period. While much of the Northeast experienced extreme rainfall and flooding at the end of June many other areas continued below normal rain and snowfall.

As of June, 45% of the contiguous U.S. was in moderate-to-extreme drought, an increase of 6% from May. Dry conditions spawned more than 50,000 wildfires, burning more than three million acres in the continental U.S., according to the National Interagency Fire Center.

Copyright © 2006 Associated Press
.

[Carlhole]

[url=http://www.vcreporter.com/article.php?id=3396&IssueNum=87]Searching for truth in the rubble

Author Barrie Zwicker believes the White House knocked down the Twin Towers on 9/11. Crazy conspiracy theory? Maybe not.[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MATTHEW SINGER', 'A')s the fifth anniversary of 9/11 draws near, recent polls indicate that a growing number of Americans believe they have not been told the full truth behind the events of that terrible day. In other words, more and more people are coming around to the conclusion Canadian journalist and media critic Barrie Zwicker reached within hours of the collapse of the World Trade Center: that forces within the United States government manufactured the attacks as a means of justifying war plans abroad and instituting draconian domestic policies at home.

Outrageous? Possibly. But Zwicker is not a lone conspiracy theorist shouting rhetoric from a street corner. He is part of a widening group of well-educated individuals, collectively known as the 9/11 Truth Movement, who, through exhaustive independent research, have determined that the official story of what happened on Sept. 11 is more far-fetched than any of the so-called “alternative versions.”...

[KevO]

just click, get out the doom cookies and sit back: YouTube

[morph]

thanks for that