[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', ' ')

1. GM/Ford laying of 60,000 people

2. CNN saying 800,000 jobs might vanish due to the housing bubble bursting (which is partly as a result of high energy costs)

2. War in iraq only getting worse, more and more troops getting killed, civil war breaking out

3. Possible nightmare scenario unfolding this winter in the northeast.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar ... energy.htm

4. Government looting the national treasury like there's no tomorrow.

[crapattack]

abbcampbell don't blame others if you are a prozacious needius, or a pufficous windbagious! your latinous badious doesn't impress me!

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '&')lt;snip>

Perhaps I've been unclear. I'm not suggesting for a moment that you change your views or water down your site. I'm merely suggesting that, if you're going to use David Goodstein, Matthew Simmons, Colin Campbell, Congressman Bartlett and the like to support your case for a problem, it's only honest for you to point out that you also feel that their opinions about mitigation differ from yours...and then go on to tell us why you feel the experts you use to build your case for a problem are deluded about their notions of what to do about it.

It's similar to your using the fact that the site is mentioned by Rainwater in Forbes, and that he gives away copies of Mr. Heinberg's books to back yourself up ... without actually telling us everything Mr. Rainwater said about the site and Mr. Heinberg's books...

I'm not saying you need to say these people are right...just that it would show greater integrity to admit that they disagree with your conclusions rather than letting people draw a natural if inaccurate inference that the folks whose names you drop support every plank of your platform.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', 'A')h, we finally have a reappearence of the lunatic fringe. abbcampbell, you seriously need to start taking some responsibility for your own feelings and stop accusing Matt of abusing you ....

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', ' ')

1. GM/Ford laying of 60,000 people

2. CNN saying 800,000 jobs might vanish due to the housing bubble bursting (which is partly as a result of high energy costs)

2. War in iraq only getting worse, more and more troops getting killed, civil war breaking out

3. Possible nightmare scenario unfolding this winter in the northeast.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar ... energy.htm

4. Government looting the national treasury like there's no tomorrow.

[Hegel]

You people are starting to frighten me! I urge you to calibrate your fatalistic Weltanschauung back to reality(tm) and stop spiraling into paranoia any further.

[Daryl]

Did Woolsey say that? He's a peak oil guy, you know.

[Mesuge]

Woolsey deserves some credit for joining the hydrogen debunking camp but his plugin hybrid wet dreams about exchaging the entire US car fleet in a few years with hybrids is a cornocupian joke.. Toyota announced 1milion hybrids per year starting from 2010 - that's impossible to match in the US even with some government crash programme in place..

Yes, Detroit is now firing people but on the other hand asians are hiring people like crazy in their US based car factories so as long as gallon is under $7-10 you guys are doing just allright.. I think that's just some mental block on the side of the american public that price around $5 is a draconic value..

[EnviroEngr]

Now that I know 'the rest of the story', I'm given pause.

A human being is such a complex phenomenon.

abbcampbell, strictly for my selfish edification, can you take me by the hand and lead me through the thought process that lead you to say this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou seem to be an attorney with some measure of conscience. Reading your resume, you seem to have been very active in social justice when in school, and I can't imagine LATOC is the most lucrative persuit you could muster...thus I deduce some ethics. When I tell you I was close to suicide reading your site, do you find that worrisome? I wonder how many others have shared that and not told you?

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '[')b]When I tell you I was close to suicide reading your site, do you find that worrisome? I wonder how many others have shared that and not told you?

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '[')b]When I tell you I was close to suicide reading your site, do you find that worrisome? I wonder how many others have shared that and not told you?

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'D')id Woolsey say that? He's a peak oil guy, you know.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'D')id Woolsey say that? He's a peak oil guy, you know.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'D')id Woolsey say that? He's a peak oil guy, you know.

[abbcampbell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '
')Precisely what was your aim in declaratively asking such a loaded question?

[crapattack]

The thing about optimism is you never know if it's reality or wish fulfillment. Despite vast amounts of evidence to the contrary there will always be people who just want everything to turn out ok and believe by some miracle of modern teeth whitening it will. It doesn't occur to them that bad things could happen to them, because bad things are what happen to other people. Any hair-brained scheme that gives them a warm-fuzzy is trotted out as an example of how things can never go wrong. "See", they say, "things are being done! People are working hard on it, don't be so negative!” Trying to refute their reasoning, faulty facts or absurd notions most often results in nasty little attacks like abbcampbell's 'suicide bomb' on Matt Savinar.

A disease of rampant positivism has overtaken our culture and caused otherwise intelligent people to forget how to think properly. I blame it mostly on the pseudo-psychologists who make millions trying to convince poor smucks they can have it all if they "just think right". Negative thoughts feel bad, ew yuck, don't have them. As if the 'dark side' of humanity is something people think they can just wish away. The so called 'good' people, 'right thinking' folks, will have a sugar plum fairy life blessed with happiness, big houses and consumer goods, while the 'bad' people will get what they deserve...evil, 'bad' things! Meanwhile your so-called 'good' fathers are raping their daughters at night (1 of 4, remember) and the 'evil' folks are handing out hot dinners to the poor. And yes, I can hear them screaming, sometimes bad people do bad things and good folks do great things. You know what? I think we’re all a bit good and a bit bad and denying it has led us down with this dead-end and we’ll now have to change our direction.

I don't want horrible things to happen to people, but the positivists seem to only want good things to happen period. This is ridiculous, of course. Life is full of trials - it's supposed to be! If only good things ever happened we'd never learn from our mistakes, never learn anything new because we wouldn't need to, never be challenged, in short, it wouldn't be a life.

I am certain most people who have come to the conclusion we are headed for real trouble don't want this outcome. Very few would really want to see billions of people die and our whole world sent backward. Some see it as a necessary readjustment in an abstract intellectual way, but few would really want to look in the faces of dying and say it its fine. Some Cornucopian’s have accused doomers of wanting doom and gloom and death - and I see it as a way to prop up their argument by shorting the other. As for telling people about PO, tell as many as possible. You never know when you might need someone by your side.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'D')id Woolsey say
Matt

[crapattack]

Matt Savinar said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Fear doesn't sell as much as bullshit or happy-happy wishful thinking like the recent CNN piece on oil shale and super deep offshore drilling.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'D')id Woolsey say
Matt

[crapattack]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar ... energy.htm

Excellent article.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best. It's gonna be a rough winter for a lot of folks. Up here in Vancouver we're insolated a bit because we're mostly on hydro for electricity, but heating is NG and its sure to go up.