[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'S')ometimes we get caught up in these events but come on guys, by reading this thread it seems like some people actually want a really big disaster to happen.

Think about it. Imagine if that was you living in an area where a disaster struck. Even worse, if people you loved were killed.

I'm glad to hear this storm is weakening, this is not entertainment.

Alex

[nobodypanic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'S')ometimes we get caught up in these events but come on guys, by reading this thread it seems like some people actually want a really big disaster to happen.

Think about it. Imagine if that was you living in an area where a disaster struck. Even worse, if people you loved were killed.

I'm glad to hear this storm is weakening, this is not entertainment.

Alex

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'S')ometimes we get caught up in these events but come on guys, by reading this thread it seems like some people actually want a really big disaster to happen.

Think about it. Imagine if that was you living in an area where a disaster struck. Even worse, if people you loved were killed.

I'm glad to hear this storm is weakening, this is not entertainment.

Alex

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'P')eople should go through life threatening disasters yearly at minimum. Kills off the weak and builds character..

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'P')eople should go through life threatening disasters yearly at minimum. Kills off the weak and builds character..

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '
')I've been out of my comfort zone enough times to appreciate the wisdom of that statement, to know that my limits are set by my mind more than my body, to be confident that I have the courage to face the fear of death and act decisively..

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '
')I've been out of my comfort zone enough times to appreciate the wisdom of that statement, to know that my limits are set by my mind more than my body, to be confident that I have the courage to face the fear of death and act decisively..

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ay to not answer the question. How many life-threatening disasters have you been through?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'z')ero

[MadScientist]

I don't know why you want to continue this debate Ludi. I've made my point several times now.

You persistently attempt to discredit it with no supporting evidence of your own as to why I'm wrong. Just insinuation that I'm lying to you when I say I'm speaking through experience.

I saw "life threatening disaster" as a step down from open warfare/lawlessness, something I believe quite strongly the average American will face in my lifetime. A day or week of disaster is a lot easier than persistent threat of attack.

Going without water for a short period of time teaches you to store water. Same for food. Same for shelter. Same for security. People in America aren't ready for what's coming.

So you can pick and choose what you want from my responses, but I know what I'm talking about and I don't need your validation.

By disconnect, I mean that you don't think it's gonna get that bad. Your location of "zombie horde wonderland" pretty much sums it up. You're welcome to that opinion. I'm sure you're much more aware than most.

Both my ex-wife and my current girlfriend had serious cancer at young ages (30ish). My ex's cancer involved losing a child as well. And through those times I was able to be a pillar of optimism and support for them. I helped them get through by recognizing the strength in themselves. I'm not trying to take the credit from them. They are amazingly strong women.
I'm quite aware of what their response to this question is because they've shared how much more they appreciate life and health now that they've been through that "disaster".

Maybe you should think about it a little more and see if you can come up with better than "beats the heck outta me *shrug"

Or is your only interest in this topic personal attack?

[wisconsin_cur]

MS,

Is it possible someone could come through a life threatening disaster and have another perspective on it? Could they see it as something that they do not want to repeat, especially annually? Could it be something that did not teach them new skills or appreciation for life but chronic pain (physical or mental)?

Would you pass moral or other judgment on that person who sees such things as something to be avoided?

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'S')ometimes we get caught up in these events but come on guys, by reading this thread it seems like some people actually want a really big disaster to happen.

Think about it. Imagine if that was you living in an area where a disaster struck. Even worse, if people you loved were killed.

I'm glad to hear this storm is weakening, this is not entertainment.

Alex

[ReverseEngineer]

Disasters don't make people stronger, they just winnow down the number of people and leave more resources for the ones left standing. For the most part, if you live or die in a disaster is a capricious thing, its a matter of chance. Where you happen to be living, what class you were born into, what your alternatives are.

Even having tons of money, buying land in Idaho, storing up 5 years of food and split wood, a Wildfire could take it all away in an instant. You are stronger because of this? I don't think so.

If in this society you were fortunate enough to make some money and have some choices now, you are better off than most of the residents of NO, who have little choice. They HAVE to leave now, because Disaster is Imminent and OBVIOUS. The economic slide we have going isn't so obvious to most people, you can't see it in a Sattellite Picture. So despite all the warning signs are there, most folks who DO have the means to GET OUT NOW are not going to get out. They will end up trapped, does this make them stronger? Hardly, it just makes them more likely to be dead sooner.

You won't get anywhere trying to "tough it out" and being stronger for the short term here, though long term it is necessary to be so. Right now in this battle, the best plan is Cowardice. RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY FAST! When a Volcano blows, if you live nearby you aren't going to get any stronger fighting it. If you expect to live, you RUN AWAY. FAST.

Reverse Engineer

[POAlex]

What about the people who die in these disasters?

This is a debate they can't even have.

Alex

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'M')S,

Is it possible someone could come through a life threatening disaster and have another perspective on it? Could they see it as something that they do not want to repeat, especially annually? Could it be something that did not teach them new skills or appreciation for life but chronic pain (physical or mental)?

Would you pass moral or other judgment on that person who sees such things as something to be avoided?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'W')hat about the people who die in these disasters?

This is a debate they can't even have.

Alex

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', ' ')Just insinuation that I'm lying to you when I say I'm speaking through experience....
Or is your only interest in this topic personal attack?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'M')S,

Is it possible someone could come through a life threatening disaster and have another perspective on it? Could they see it as something that they do not want to repeat, especially annually? Could it be something that did not teach them new skills or appreciation for life but chronic pain (physical or mental)?

Would you pass moral or other judgment on that person who sees such things as something to be avoided?

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'W')hat about the people who die in these disasters?

This is a debate they can't even have.

Alex

[MadScientist]

[quote="Ludi] You seem to want it to get "that bad" to toughen people up. [/quote]

No Ludi, my whole point in this entire thread is that its gonna get "that bad" and every bit of adversity we can get before that happens is going to help us get through it better.

Kinda like the often mentioned here idea that price spikes in oil are good because they alert people to the problem.

I don't want anyone to die. Quite the opposite I'm sitting here trying to help people get prepared for what's ahead.