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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby Arsenal » Sun 20 Dec 2009, 12:24:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Radar/Laser detectors are passive devices.

On the other hand GPS jamming devices are RF emitters, so they are very easy to localize.

Hiding them in weird place won't wash.

The only way around the problem would rest in your ability to disable your GPS transmitter in a fashion which remind natural failure to stay beyond suspicion, should such fault be found.


True enough but how about a zapper?

http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/10/08/rfid-zapper/

The only difference is you wind the coil for 1950MHz instead of 125KHz. That would fry the receiver coil attached to the GPS antenna.

The point is someone will figure out a way to get around it. As hard as TPTB squeeze the populace the more people with indirectly fall through the cracks. ESP when TPTB is in its decline.
If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. T Jefferson
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 20 Dec 2009, 12:53:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'P')ersonally it does not scare me.
I have lived through collapse of one system (communism in Poland) and it can be a fun.

Heh. Are you in America now?

FTA:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ortunately, the bank cannot have him imprisoned (yet).


Pffft.

Everyone is obviously completely ignorant of "LAW" since we can fill several libraries with its script and no one person could ever get through it all in a lifetime. This fact alone should raise a red flag in everyones brain no?

Back in simpler days there were 2 kinds of law that everyone knew of, maritime law - the law of the seas and civil law - the law of the land.

We don't even need written civil law - we all know it. Don't steal from you neighbour, don't screw his wife...etc.

Maritime law can also be called banking law. The banks wrote the book and have actually sailed right onto land with their laws.

This statement from the article cannot be further from the truth and it has been this way for a long time now.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby beamofthewave » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 01:51:36

What state do you live in? Where I live it is a minimum of a two year wait to get a rent subsidized place to live and thats if you have kids. Forget it for the average single poor person. I used to work Welfare in Indiana back in 1990 and for one child a woman would be eligible for 139 a month in assistance and that was to pay for everything, oh I almost forgot she also got 60 a month in food stamps for her and her child. Why is it rich citizens bitch about poor citizens getting any assistance from the government. Never hear the rich bitch about all the assistance Walfart gets to move into town, for the cheap ass lousy, piece of shit jobs they bring with their sorry asses and then take out the good jobs that pay decent for people. The beauty of this economic downturn is it is going to take all of the citizens with it, rich and poor, the poor are the first to suffer and the next it is going to be the wealthy because they only think they are wealthy, they are not in the Bush category of wealth and power. This economic peak oil downturn is going to get us all, except for the really rich with compounds in Paraguay built over the larget fresh water aquifers left on the planet with Xe to protect them. The rest of us are so totally doomed because the ultra rich lost 1.25 quadrillion in the hedge fund market and our treasury sent 24 trillion to make up the loss. why not moan about that since it is the reason most people in the USA will be starving within five years.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 02:05:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', ' ')Why is it rich citizens bitch about poor citizens getting any assistance from the government.


Because they are the ones handing over a decent chunk of their paychecks so the government can do a little wealth reallocation at their expense?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', '
') Never hear the rich bitch about all the assistance Walfart gets to move into town, for the cheap ass lousy, piece of shit jobs they bring with their sorry asses and then take out the good jobs that pay decent for people.


Hows that work? Walmart moves in...pays its people...and say, the local Toyota plant fires all its people just because Walmart came to town?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofwave', '
')This economic peak oil downturn is going to get us all, except for the really rich with compounds in Paraguay built over the larget fresh water aquifers left on the planet with Xe to protect them. The rest of us are so totally doomed because the ultra rich lost 1.25 quadrillion in the hedge fund market and our treasury sent 24 trillion to make up the loss. why not moan about that since it is the reason most people in the USA will be starving within five years.


For starters, not that this has anything to do with debtors prisons, Matt Simmons says that this mortgage and cheap credit bubble recession isn't because of peak oil in 2005. And claims of starvation have been ongoing for better than 2 centuries now, are you sure you want to limit your prediction to only 5 years based on how poorly the past estimates of the same thing have gone? Maybe give yourself a little more room....like another century or two, just in case?
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 08:25:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', ' ')Why is it rich citizens bitch about poor citizens getting any assistance from the government.


Because they are the ones handing over a decent chunk of their paychecks so the government can do a little wealth reallocation at their expense?



Thats the price they have to pay to continue to be rich, alive and well. The state exists to protect rich from the poor.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby MarkJ » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 10:11:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here I live it is a minimum of a two year wait to get a rent subsidized place to live and thats if you have kids. Forget it for the average single poor person.


In various regions of Upstate New York, waiting lists for modern public subsidized housing units are years long or closed since these units are in short supply.

The counties place many evicted or homeless residents in local motels at a cost of $50 to $80 per night (double for large families) so they push them hard and/or work hard to find them permanent shelter.

In the low and lower middle income urban areas there are a fair amount of private landlords that accept Section 8 tenants. Due to housing shortages, they're also not as fussy when it comes to inspection and safety requirements.

Many of these non owner occupied landlords, out of town landlords and slumlords can't rent their units since the units are in bad neighborhoods, they lack on-street parking, off-street parking and the century old units are grossly inefficient units in poor condition.

In the free market, many of these units wouldn't rent, but since the rents are subsidized, not only due they rent, but the landlords can jack rents well beyond fair market value.

Many landlords, especially slumlords actually prefer rent subsidized tenants since these tenants can afford their rents, they're less likely to move, plus they're less likely to report them for code/safety violations, temporary low/zero heat and low/zero hot water conditions, water shutoffs, utility shutoffs etc.

The average low income apartment seekers in many regions work low paying jobs, low paying part-time jobs and they're frequently unemployed, so it's very risky to rent to these tenants, especially since many have no credit, plus can't afford security deposits and last months rent.

The low rent landlords minimize risk by not investing much money in their properties, maintenance and repairs.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ever hear the rich bitch about all the assistance Walfart gets to move into town, for the cheap ass lousy, piece of shit jobs they bring with their sorry asses and then take out the good jobs that pay decent for people


Our local WalMart distribution center is one of the highest paying employers of unskilled laborers in the region. Many workers start at around $16 per hour and soon move up to $18 plus per hour with benefits. Starting wages are double the wages many local unskilled factory workers make, plus many factory workers have no benefits and/or they're frequently laid off.

Some wealthy business owners including some of our friends and business associates have complained about the tax breaks, incentives and subsidies given to WalMart.

The also complained when WalMart and other businesses in the industrial park failed to meet hiring mandates necessary to qualify for the incentives and tax breaks. These mandates are scoff-laws for large employers with financial muscle.

Walmart, as well as a few other businesses can afford to pay employees more money and/or sell products for lower costs due to incentives, subsidies and 10 plus year tax breaks.

New businesses and very large businesses are often treated like royalty, while existing businesses, smaller and mid sized businesses are treated like garbage.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby beamofthewave » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:41:30

Here in Oregon where I live Walmart starts at 8 an hour and the medical sucks.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby beamofthewave » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:55:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'F')or starters, not that this has anything to do with debtors prisons, Matt Simmons says that this mortgage and cheap credit bubble recession isn't because of peak oil in 2005. And claims of starvation have been ongoing for better than 2 centuries now, are you sure you want to limit your prediction to only 5 years based on how poorly the past estimates of the same thing have gone? Maybe give yourself a little more room....like another century or two, just in case?
Nope, five years should do it. The 1.25 quadrillion in losses in the hedge funds which the rich have lost and the attempt to stabilize it with the USA treasury wont work. The losses are too big. One of the rich dudes here in town was bitching because during WW2 in the US, Roosevelt made the rich pay 90% of their income in taxes and instituted a command economy. What a Expletive deleted , I am just oh so sure the Japanese army at the time would have kowtowed to his wealth. Wealthy people are such idiots, all that matters is their money and how to keep it. Like maybe that old idiot had never heard of the rape of Nanking, why oh why does he think the Chinese named it that? Text deleted: adult content.. He could sing while the Japanese bayoneted him, at least I did not have to pay taxes, as he watched his guts leave his body.
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 13:00:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'H')ere in Oregon where I live Walmart starts at 8 an hour and the medical sucks.


Yeah, but isn't Oregon one of those states which doesn't even trust its citizens to pump their own gas? Undoubtedly this particular type of jobs program was designed to preserve the high standard of living within the state to protect its citizens from the vulgarities of chance when it comes to a big box retailer moving into the neighborhood?
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 13:05:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'N')ope, five years should do it. The 1.25 quadrillion in losses in the hedge funds which the rich have lost and the attempt to stabilize it with the USA treasury wont work.
Won't work...when? If people had that much to lose in hedge funds and they lost it...well....done deal...lets move on to the next bubble I suppose....certainly I wasn't dabbling in hedge funds, and those who post here who have, have been quite happy with the results to date on hedging, say, natural gas prices.

Did you lose lots of money hedging something personally, or is this a stat from a blog somewhere trying to create a tempest in a teapot?
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 14:31:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'l')ets move on to the next bubble I suppose



We already have - the Green Economy, Carbon Credits. That should help us limp along for a few more years. :)
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Re: Criminalizing Poverty For Profit Debtors Prisons

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 15:59:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', '[') One of the rich dudes here in town was bitching because during WW2 in the US, Roosevelt made the rich pay 90% of their income in taxes and instituted a command economy. .
Perhaps he was bitching because Roosevelt didnt ask him first wether US should join WWII?
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