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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby charliebrownout » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 02:12:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 't')he first 2 are widely known inside this forum... but post-harmageddonist has not being used before, although it's implicit in some topics.

Basically someone who knows about Hunab Ku, Kali Yuga, and so on, and also wants to use this end of an era and start of another era as a Rebirth of Human Mind. It can be of almost any religion or philosophy, but a post-harmageddonist is basically someone that understand this change as an oportunity to evolve into a higher spiritual being and be a part of a human mind with each human as a neuron... or something.


I'm with the post-harmageddonist. I kind of HAVE to be. I'm in my mid-twenties and we have three kids. I love them dearly and I'll stop at nothing to fix this disaster of a world for them.

Good thing I love em'...because if I bite the dust it makes the thought of them going all Donner party on me a whole lot less depressing....although it is still depressing...
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 20:33:57

I'm on my 20s too, but I have chosen to postpone having offspring after TSHTF/harmageddon... although it kind of helps that for most of my life I was asocial, and I'm just lately starting to "trust" others (it's more about socialising, few I really trust).
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 21:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'a') post-harmageddonist is basically someone that understand this change as an oportunity to evolve into a higher spiritual being and be a part of a human mind with each human as a neuron...

That sounds like an anthill or a beehive. I'll pass.

I don't think humans were ever designed to live like that. Our current high density anthill societies are a complete historical aberration. Humans evolved to live in much smaller groups, scattered across large wilderness areas.

The animal that probably best fits our ecological niche would be the wolf. Not suprisingly we now live with and love our domesticated wolves.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 21:13:02

I just looked up Kali Yuga though. Yeah seems to be right on target.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Daculling » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 21:26:20

Post-harmageddonist...

All these things have happened over and over throughout history and this time it is different. That is the definition of insanity.

Not yours...

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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 22:14:54

Happy Doomer. :)
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 22:29:57

I don't personally believe in mumbo jumbo
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby charliebrownout » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 22:58:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'I')'m on my 20s too, but I have chosen to postpone having offspring after TSHTF/harmageddon... although it kind of helps that for most of my life I was asocial, and I'm just lately starting to "trust" others (it's more about socialising, few I really trust).


I understand your point. I've had some guilt pangs recently, but on the brighter side, hopefully they'll be older when/if anything hits the fan. My oldest is now eight, and if we've got a couple of years yet my youngest will be three-ish and out of the extremely vulnerable stage.

Where my actions right? No idea, time will tell. I'm just trying to make the best of it all. I love my kids, they're my investment in the future. I'm pretty certain having children--at any point in time--is completely irrational.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Eli » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 23:08:26

I voted doomer but I actually believe that we will see a new beginning at the end of all this, but if you are a total doomer their will be tons of that to go around.

I look forward to this in many ways, I know it is going to be horribly painful and awful but I also know that the way we have all been living can't go on.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 23:30:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'P')ost-harmageddonist...

All these things have happened over and over throughout history and this time it is different. That is the definition of insanity.

Not yours...

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a post-harmageddonist to survive needs to be on harmony with nature... that image is more about cornucopians.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'I') don't personally believe in mumbo jumbo


me neither, bunny. :lol:
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby charliebrownout » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 23:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') voted doomer but I actually believe that we will see a new beginning at the end of all this, but if you are a total doomer their will be tons of that to go around.

I look forward to this in many ways, I know it is going to be horribly painful and awful but I also know that the way we have all been living can't go on.


ITA, I hate to see the selfishness and the separation from nature and other people. I hope changes lead to community and greater interdependence. The individual is great, but community is a wonderful part of existence as well.

I think greater balance between the needs of the self and the community would be quite healthy.

Then again, I wake up in a cold sweat thinking what kind of horrors would have to occur to convince people to change.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 23:38:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'I')'m on my 20s too, but I have chosen to postpone having offspring after TSHTF/harmageddon... although it kind of helps that for most of my life I was asocial, and I'm just lately starting to "trust" others (it's more about socialising, few I really trust).


I understand your point. I've had some guilt pangs recently, but on the brighter side, hopefully they'll be older when/if anything hits the fan. My oldest is now eight, and if we've got a couple of years yet my youngest will be three-ish and out of the extremely vulnerable stage.

Where my actions right? No idea, time will tell. I'm just trying to make the best of it all. I love my kids, they're my investment in the future. I'm pretty certain having children--at any point in time--is completely irrational.


guilt will lead you no where. You can learn from past experiences, but feeling guilt on itself won't fix anything. I was talking for me, having offspring is (was? will be?) a blessing... and I'm not a "babies hater", I like taking care of babies (for short periods of time if they're not mine) and I have being able to calm them if they're "angry" or crying for whatever reason. But when I see a pregnat woman I remember lemmings and yeast. :lol:
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Eli » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 23:38:33

Charlie, yes it is going to be unimaginably bad, but bring it on it is time for something new.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby idiom » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 00:34:20

Oddly enough I am not a doomer. I would be if I lived in the states though. The USA is going down first, hardest and longest. The rest of us dont have nearly as far to fall.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Jenab6 » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 14:00:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'I')TA, I hate to see the selfishness and the separation from nature and other people. I hope changes lead to community and greater interdependence. The individual is great, but community is a wonderful part of existence as well. I think greater balance between the needs of the self and the community would be quite healthy. Then again, I wake up in a cold sweat thinking what kind of horrors would have to occur to convince people to change.

I am suspicious of "interdependency." It doesn't look to me like a sound basis for community - any worthwhile community relationships should be voluntary matters of preference, not goaded by the threat of privation for non-conformers. Rather, interdependence seems to be a way to build fragility into a community; making it possible to destroy the whole by destroying any of its necessary parts. With individualism comes a certain strength, since no longer can the community be deprived of anything when a part of its membership is lost.

Of course, specialization has advantages. Not everyone is equally talented in any particular craft, and it is best for those with the most aptitude to practice it. But this kind of dependency will arise by itself; it does not need to be planned or coordinated. Skilled people will spread their services as the seek markets for them that aren't crowded already by others with the same skills as they do.

I doubt that there is any reason to "design" a society so that the natural interdependencies are magnified. Doing so would appear to lead to weakening the community, more often than not.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 14:22:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')I doubt that there is any reason to "design" a society so that the natural interdependencies are magnified.


I agree. Interdependency arises naturally when humans work together toward a common purpose (such as survival). Strengths and weaknesses become evident.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 14:23:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '
')Then again, I wake up in a cold sweat thinking what kind of horrors would have to occur to convince people to change.


What kind of horrors have convinced you to change?
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby charliebrownout » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 18:00:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', '
')Then again, I wake up in a cold sweat thinking what kind of horrors would have to occur to convince people to change.


What kind of horrors have convinced you to change?


I'm not sure I could put a finger on it per se, but seeing all the injustice. The widening gap between rich and poor. The bullshit we value over each other and the wonderful home we've been given. I mean, we're trashing the place like there is no tomorrow without any regard for life (human or otherwise).

I read. I read the news, I read books. All of the sudden a picture started to form of what it all meant. To me, the picture is that we're all headed for hell if we don't change.

I worry because societies don't tend to change until the 11th hour. I'm hoping I'm wrong in that assumption.
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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 21:12:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')a post-harmageddonist to survive needs to be on harmony with nature... that image is more about cornucopians.


Not really, that ship was made from a surplus ballistic missile after WWIII.

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Re: doomer, cornucopian or post-harmageddonist

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 23:19:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')a post-harmageddonist to survive needs to be on harmony with nature... that image is more about cornucopians.


Not really, that ship was made from a surplus ballistic missile after WWIII.

Phoenix


hmmm... that's why it looked fake... :lol:
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