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Re: 2005 Discoveries

Unread postby nero » Fri 24 Feb 2006, 22:51:09

Harper(BP) presentation to Berlin Aspo

Here is Harper's presentation to Aspo about reserve growth. It is well worth a look. One of his key conclusions is that you can't take A&R's obseration of 10 times increase in reserves found in the US and translate it to world reported reserves. When he used IHS's database of oil discoveries instead of finding a reserves growth of about 10X as found by A&R he found a reserves growth of about 3X.

It is actually the A&R USA data that showed a decreasing reserve growth ratio. the first half of their data 77-84 has a reserves growth of about 11X while the reserves growth in the second half 85-91 was 8X.

My interpretation of Harper's 3X number works this way. a couple of years after discovery the reserved increase about 50% over what the initial conservative estimate was. After about a decade once production has begun they should have a good estimate of what the reserve really is and it can increase by perhaps another 33% in situations where more technology is applied. That gets you to about where you are after 20 years from discovery. The increase in reserves after 20 years from discovery is likely heavily influenced by reserve revisions in the large onshore fields discovered in the late 60s. Ceratinly the offshore and smaller fields that are mostly discovered nowadays should not expect their reserve growth in their third decade to match the reserve growth in their second decade. There would be some question of whether or not they will still be pumping 20 years after startup.
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Re: 2005 Discoveries

Unread postby ReserveGrowthRulz » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 03:11:16

[quote="nero"]Harper(BP) presentation to Berlin Aspo

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This struck me as a quite reasonable way of measuring reserve growth in places not covered by the original R&A paper...and most of his assumptions were quite reasonable as well. Give me six months and I might venture an opinion as to how well I like his basic conclusions.

I would also venture that there are some reasonable and decent points being made in this thread as to the nature, size and explanation for reserve growth.

As far as his actual method for calculating the 3X number, it strikes me as a bit simple compared to the the work A&R put into it, as well as what Verma and Ulmishek calculated for parts of Russia. Verma did have some interesting conclusions of his own, such as how much lower reserve growth ultimately is if the onset of production is delayed and the time is spent studying the future field instead. If I recall correctly, he claimed in his paper that this "studying" prior to production was able to bring a 10X estimate of growth down to 3-4-5X, so it cut it in half approximately.

I also seem to recall the idea that a basic tenet of all of this is that conditions which existed during the creation of reserve growth shall continue into the future....an interesting problem in itself considering the original A&R work spanned the Second 70's oil shock and highest inflation adjusted oil price of its era, as well as the 86 price collapse, and the odd Middle Eastern war, without having data from the more recent century where increased prices have effected companies ability to make MORE than just the average buck by squeezing everything they find out of the ground. As to whether or not this effects reserve growth in a net negative, or net positive way, darned if I know.
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Re: 2005 Discoveries

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Sat 25 Feb 2006, 03:39:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')eserve growth as found using A&R's methodology has been decreasing


This is probably a key point. Logic leads to the idea that we should not expect a field discovered today to be as underestimated as a field discovered 80 years ago. This is particularly true if, as is routinely claimed, technology is able to better define the contents of a given field.

No telling the magnitude of the misestimation in any case.


Makes a lot of sense to me, and in another way too. Here is a little thought experiment. Say we only had one field for the entire world. In the case of reserve growth for this field, it would continually expand until it connected all the other fields. After about 100 years, we would start to see diminishing returns on this field. That is purely a result of dealing with a finite world. Same thing happens with the creaming curve for the whole world. When you look at the general equivalence between reserve growth and creaming curves, you basically have to add some sort of self-limiting aspect to the argument.

RGR doesn't understand my point in calling something self-limiting growth. But then again, you might expect that as I continue to see a refusal to make any comments on the mathematics behind the approach. On several occasions in this forum, I have contributed comments to somebody's incorrect math premises by presenting a bit of mathematical nduction or something similar to show how off-track the person's approach was. After all, this forum is called "depletion modeling" for cripes. What do you want us to do, posture endlessly with the empty rhetoric that seems endemic to many of the rest of the discussions? I think the only reason we (including pup55, khebab, and others) don't go hog wild with the math in this forum, is due to the lack of a good equation markup language with the software, making it inconvenient for us to present our ideas effectively.

So if RGR and RD want to attack the math, instead of the message, take a look at this:
http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... rowth.html
The basic question to ask is whether the curves follow the parabolic growth law (actually a square root, but alas, there we go with standard terminology and the confusion it leads to), or start to hit an asymptote. Not that it makes the biggest difference in the location of the global peak, but the extrapolated dynamics is what I am trying to understand. I am entirely willing to rehash the model here, if it helps at all.
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Re: 2005 Discoveries

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 06:03:36

Just found this AAPG article about 2005 discoveries, sums it up pretty well

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2006/01jan ... s_list.cfm

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/docum ... disc05.pdf

Somewhere between 3 and 6 billion barrels probably. No really big cats.
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Re: 2005 Discoveries

Unread postby Fergus » Sun 13 Aug 2006, 10:25:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'W')hat would be the guess for why the sudden jump in discoveries in a trend of decreasing discoveries constantly? Better technology, higher prices, or more pressure (due to high prices)? Oil has jumped what? 50% in the past year but only a 25% increase in discoveries? Not great, but better than declining like usual.


Discoveries are not supposed to be a straight line.
Most of this is due to luck. These fields even without high prices are likely to be discover. These areas were planned to be drilled in 2000 or earlier.

The high prices we see the last few years would translate in discoveries in 2007 at the earliest, in my opinion. Just look at Libya. The new areas open to exploration are not even close to being ready for drilling.


So what does these finds mean to the average man. No peak oil? Another year or prosperity while we wait for the end?

As I read this thread, I am thinking, no need to worry as much, as soon. I start thinking maybe we will be ok till 2030 or 2050. Maybe the official numbers are correct and we are a bunch of chicken littles.

Just seems to me that so long as we are finding oil, we are pushing the due date back on this bill called peak oil.

Hell if we can keep this afloat with new discoveries long enough, we will eventually figure out another alternative since we have a much later later, in the general 'sooner or later' scene. No worries. :-D
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