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The Road To 10 Billion: Where Is Global Population Actually Headed?

It was a girl.

On Sunday, October 30, 2011, just before midnight, Danica May Camacho entered the world in a crowded Manila hospital, bringing the human population of our planet to seven billion. Actually, the scales could have tipped a few hours later, in a village in Uttar Pradesh, India, with the arrival of Nargis Kumar. Or it might have been a boy, Pyotr Nikolayeva, born in Kaliningrad, Russia.

Of course, it was none of them. The birth that took us to seven billion people was attended by no cameras and ceremonial speeches because we can never know where or when the event occurred. We can only know that, according to the United Nations’ best estimates, we reached sevenbillion sometime around October 31 of that year. Different countries designated certain births to symbolize this landmark in history, and Danica, Nargis, and Pyotr were among those chosen.

For many, there was no reason to celebrate. Indian health minister Ghulam Nabi Azad declared that a global population of seven billion was “not a matter of great joy, but a great worry For us a matter of joy will be when the population stabilizes.” Many share Azad’s gloom. They warn of a global population crisis. Homo sapiens is reproducing unchecked, straining our ability to feed, house, and clothe the 130 million or more new babies that UNICEF estimates arrive each year. As humans crowd the planet, forests disappear, species become extinct, the atmosphere warms.

Unless humankind defuses this population bomb, these prophets proclaim, we face a future of increasing poverty, food shortages, conflict, and environmental degradation. As one modern Malthus put it, “Barring a dramatic decline in population growth, a rapid decrease in greenhouse gas emissions, or a global outbreak of vegetarianism—all of which are trending in the opposite direction at the moment— we’re facing nothing less than the end of plenty for the majority of the earth’s people.”

All of this is completely, utterly wrong.

The great defining event of the twenty-first century—one of the great defining events in human history—will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end. We do not face the challenge of a population bomb but of a population bust—a relentless, generation-after-generation culling of the human herd. Nothing like this has ever happened before.

If you find this news shocking, that’s not surprising. The United Nations forecasts that our population will grow from seven billion to eleven billion in this century before leveling off after 2100. But an increasing number of demographers around the world believe the UN estimates are far too high. More likely, they say, the planet’s population will peak at around nine billion sometime between 2040 and 2060, and then start to decline, perhaps prompting the UN to designate a symbolic death to mark the occasion. By the end of this century, we could be back to where we are right now, and steadily growing fewer.

Populations are already declining in about two dozen states around the world; by 2050 the number will have climbed to three dozen. Some of the richest places on earth are shedding people every year: Japan, Korea, Spain, Italy, much of Eastern Europe. “We are a dying country,” Italy’s health minister, Beatrice Lorenzin, lamented in 2015.

But this isn’t the big news. The big news is that the largest developing nations are also about to grow smaller, as their own fertility rates come down. China will begin losing people in a few years. By the middle of this century, Brazil and Indonesia will follow suit. Even India, soon to become the most populous nation on earth, will see its numbers stabilize in about a generation and then start to decline. Fertility rates remain sky-high in sub-Saharan Africa and parts of the Middle East. Even here, though, things are changing as young women obtain access to education and birth control. Africa is likely to end its unchecked baby boom much sooner than the
UN’s demographers think.

Some of the indications of an accelerating decline in fertility can be found in scholarly research and government reports; others can only be found by talking to people on the street. And so we did. To gather research for this book, we traveled to cities on six continents: to Brussels and Seoul, Nairobi and São Paulo, Mumbai and Beijing, Palm Springs and Canberra and Vienna. There were other stops as well. We talked to academics and public officials, but more important, we talked to young people: on university campuses and at research institutes and in favelas and slums. We wanted to know what they were thinking about the most important decision they will ever make: whether and when to have a baby.

Population decline isn’t a good thing or a bad thing. But it is a big thing. A child born today will reach middle age in a world in which conditions and expectations are very different from our own. She will find the planet more urban, with less crime, environmentally healthier but with many more old people. She won’t have trouble finding a job, but she may struggle to make ends meet, as taxes to pay for health care and pensions for all those seniors eat into her salary. There won’t be as many schools, because there won’t be as many children.

But we won’t have to wait thirty or forty years to feel the impact of population decline. We’re feeling it today, in developed nations from Japan to Bulgaria that struggle to grow their economies even as the cohort of young workers and consumers diminishes, making it harder to provide social services or sell refrigerators. We see it in urbanizing Latin America and even Africa, where women are increasingly taking charge of their own destinies. We see it in every household where the children take longer to move out because they’re in no rush to settle down and haven’t the slightest intention of having a baby before they’re thirty. And we’re seeing it, tragically, in roiling Mediterranean seas, where refugees from wretched places press against the borders of a Europe that is already starting to empty out.

We may see it, very soon, influencing the global contest for power. Population decline will shape the nature of war and peace in the decades ahead, as some nations grapple with the fallout of their shrinking, aging societies while others remain able to sustain themselves. The defining geopolitical challenge in the coming decades could involve accommodating and containing an angry, frightened China as it confronts the consequences of its disastrous one-child policy.

"Empty Planet" by Darrell Bricker and John Ibbitson
“Empty Planet” by Darrell Bricker and John Ibbitson

Some of those who fear the fallout of a diminishing population advocate government policies to increase the number of children couples have. But the evidence suggests this is futile. The “low-fertility trap” ensures that, once having one of two children becomes the norm, it stays the norm. Couples no longer see having children as a duty they must perform to satisfy their obligation to their families or their god. Rather, they choose to raise a child as an act of personal fulfillment. And they are quickly fulfilled.

One solution to the challenge of a declining population is to import replacements. That’s why two Canadians wrote this book. For decades now, Canada has brought in more people, on a per capita basis, than any other major developed nation, with little of the ethnic tensions, ghettos, and fierce debate that other countries face. That’s because the country views immigration as an economic policy— under the merit-based points system, immigrants to Canada are typically better educated, on average, than the native-born—and because it embraces multiculturalism: the shared right to celebrate your native culture within the Canadian mosaic, which has produced a peaceful, prosperous, polyglot society, among the most fortunate on earth.

Not every country is able to accept waves of newcomers with Canada’s aplomb. Many Koreans, Swedes, and Chileans have a very strong sense of what it means to be Korean, Swedish, or Chilean. France insists its immigrants embrace the idea of being French, even as many of the old stock deny such a thing is possible, leaving immigrant communities isolated in their banlieues, separate and not equal. The population of the United Kingdom is projected to continue growing, to about 82 million at the end of the century, from 66 million today, but only if the British continue to welcome robust levels of immigration. As the Brexit referendum revealed, many Brits want to turn the English Channel into a moat. To combat depopulation, nations must embrace both immigration and multiculturalism. The first is hard. The second, for some, may prove impossible.

Among great powers, the coming population decline uniquely advantages the United States. For centuries, America has welcomed new arrivals, first from across the Atlantic, then the Pacific as well, and today from across the Rio Grande. Millions have happily plunged into the melting pot—America’s version of multiculturalism—enriching both its economy and culture. Immigration made the twentieth century the American century, and continued immigration will define the twenty-first as American as well.

Unless. The suspicious, nativist, America First groundswell of recent years threatens to choke off the immigration tap that made America great by walling up the border between the United States and everywhere else. Under President Donald Trump, the federal government not only cracked down on illegal immigrants, it reduced legal admissions for skilled workers, a suicidal policy for the U.S. economy. If this change is permanent, if Americans out of senseless fear reject their immigrant tradition, turning their backs on the world, then the United States too will decline, in numbers and power and influence and wealth. This is the choice that every American must make: to support an open, inclusive, welcoming society, or to shut the door and wither in isolation.

The human herd has been culled in the past by famine or plague. This time, we are culling ourselves; we are choosing to become fewer. Will our choice be permanent? The answer is: probably yes. Though governments have sometimes been able to increase the number of children couples are willing to have through generous child care payments and other supports, they have never managed to bring fertility back up to the replacement level of, on average, 2.1 children per woman needed to sustain a population. Besides, such programs are extremely expensive and tend to be cut back during economic downturns. And it is arguably unethical for a government to try to convince a couple to have a child that they would otherwise not have had.

As we settle into a world growing smaller, will we celebrate or mourn our diminishing numbers? Will we struggle to preserve growth, or accept with grace a world in which people both thrive and strive less? We don’t know. But it may be a poet who observes that, for the first time in the history of our race, humanity feels old.

Reprinted from EMPTY PLANET: The Shock of Global Population Decline Copyright © 2019 by John Ibbitson and Darrell Bricker. Published by Crown Publishers, an imprint of Penguin Random House LLC.


Wall Street Journal: “‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers” — “Is a dangerous population explosion imminent? For decades we’ve been told so by scientific elites, starting with the Club of Rome reports in the 1970s. But in their compelling book ‘Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline,’ Canadian social scientist Darrell Bricker and journalist John Ibbitson lay out the opposite case: ‘The great defining event of the twenty-first century,’ they say, ‘will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end.’

“Their book is a vital warning to the world that the risks associated with population have been catastrophically misread: Governments and activists have spent decades fighting the specter of overpopulation, but now face the looming demographic calamity of global population collapse. Fewer people participating in the economy will mean slower economic growth, less entrepreneurship, rising inequality and calamitous government debt.

“Pulling examples from extensive on-the-ground research in settings as disparate as São Paulo favelas, Seoul universities and Nairobi businesses, the authors combine a mastery of social-science research with enough journalistic flair to convince fair-minded readers of a simple fact: Fertility is falling faster than most experts can readily explain, driven by persistent forces. In Brazil and China astonishing numbers of women opt for permanent sterilization well before the end of their fertile years (half of Chinese couples take this route). In South Korea and Japan women delay childbirth until their 30s or forgo it altogether. There even has been an unexpected collapse in fertility among Hispanics in the United States: They, like most of America’s other ethnic groups, now have below-replacement birth rates. The drivers of global fertility decline are here to stay.”

Inside Higher Ed: “Review: Is ‘Empty Planet’ Too Little Worried About the U.S.?” — “What do you worry about?

“Climate change? The concentration of wealth and growing inequality? Robots taking all the jobs? Our crumbling infrastructure? Public disinvestment from higher education?

“I worry about babies. A lack of babies. Too few babies.

“A few years ago my family visited South Korea. The total fertility rate (TFR) in South Korea is 1.3. That means that, on average, a South Korean woman will give birth to 1.3 babies in her lifetime.

“As replacement fertility requires a TFR of 2.1 – as both mom and dad need to be replaced – South Korea’s population (absent immigration or reunification) will eventually decline.

“By 2050 the South Korean population will have declined 51. 5 million today to under 40 million. Four-in-ten of the remaining South Koreans will be 65 and older.”

Wired: “The World Might Actually Run Out Of People” — “You know the story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consuming people on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.

“But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

“That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th. After painstakingly breaking down the numbers for themselves, the pair arrived at a drastically different prediction for the future of the human species. ‘In roughly three decades, the global population will begin to decline,’ they write. ‘Once that decline begins, it will never end.’ “

Hilary McQuilkin produced this hour for broadcast.

 

 



93 Comments on "The Road To 10 Billion: Where Is Global Population Actually Headed?"

  1. Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:14 pm 

    By 2028 the Worldbank and US will no longer exist:

    https://youtu.be/jB_Tf7GKsEc

    Sorry.

  2. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:44 pm 

    Oil peak likely by 2025, according to the International Energy Agency

    https://tinyurl.com/y5dr5hhd

  3. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:47 pm 

    Clogg

    Dobs hasn’t been sane in years..Obama shadow government? WTF?

    Pure paranoia and mental illness..

    The US has been through a lot worse and survived..

  4. Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:55 pm 

    Watching BBC Newsnight now… shocking!… Labour has become the party of holocaust denial!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/07/02/labour-responsible-rise-softcore-holocaust-denial-dr-deborah/

    What’s happening?

    Oh wait, they have an internet connection now, that’s it.

  5. Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:05 pm 

    Beeb: both Tories and Labour run the risk of falling apart. Time is ripe for a sort of “En Marche” like in France.

    If May has no deal through parliament in a week, parliament could very well take matters into their own hand.

  6. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:11 pm 

    Clogg

    You can ask any question on reddit to real historians..They even show you their names and creditionals..

    You refuse my challenge to your WW2 theories verified..

    You know you would be laughed at and called a conspiratorial loon..

  7. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:13 pm 

    Joe Scarborough Directly Blames Donald Trump For Domestic Terror Threat: It’s All His Fault

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/joe-scarborough-directly-blames-donald-140126650.html

  8. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:15 pm 

    A pre-emptive US strike on Iran would be one of the worst blunders in American history, and Trump officials are seriously considering it

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-strike-on-iran-catastrophic-blunder-donald-trump-john-bolton-2019-2?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop

  9. makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:36 pm 

    “Real historians” are not a creditable source. They all have their own pet theories and spin. But, if you read enough histories from enough different sources, you can get a better picture. 3D and color vs 2D and black and white. Try reading four WW2 histories. One from each of these sources: Germany, the US, Russia, and the UK. THEN decide what is the truth. You will still not have a 100% accurate history, but the picture will be clearer.

    Claiming knowledge does not prove it exists. Degrees are just paper, not proof of education and the ability to think.

  10. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:46 pm 

    Mak

    I know what do those doctors know anyways?

    Maybe if you would have educated yourself you would have known the real amount of China’s debt..

    You are an anti intellectual..

  11. makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:58 pm 

    MOB, if you got off of the drugs and stopped sucking up that USMSM propaganda Koolaid, you might be able to think.

    Nah! You are a worthless snowflake who claims to be educated, but no proof of it so far. Parroting propaganda is NOT proof. It is just the opposite. I have forgotten more than you will ever learn.

    A real educated, intelligent person would be out working and building a career, not sucking up cheap beer on mommy’s couch in the basement. Get a job, loser!

  12. Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:07 pm 

    “Real historians” are not a creditable source”

    What a crock of shit. Who are you talking about and what are you talking about makato. I think you are just babbling in the wind.

    BTW try spelling “creditable” correctly.

  13. makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:25 pm 

    And the Missouri Jackass speaks. LMAO!

  14. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:37 pm 

    Mak

    You sound like you need a nap..Your cranky..Maybe your diaper needs changed?

  15. Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:38 pm 

    yea and you cry out uncle. LOL

  16. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:39 pm 

    Mak

    “What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know, it’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so.”

    -Mark Twain

  17. makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 7:12 pm 

    And the Missouri Jackass’ little brother brays. What a pair of losers!

  18. Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 9:44 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone for making a complete dumbass out of myself. Once again.

    cred·it-a-ble

    adjective
    (of a performance, effort, or action) deserving public acknowledgment and praise but not necessarily outstanding or successful.

  19. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 9:44 pm 

    Right-wing media have been issuing dire warnings about an impending civil war for years

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/02/22/right-wing-media-have-been-issuing-dire-warnings-about-impending-civil-war-years/222953

    And clogg falls for the scaremongering..They have been crying wolf for over a decade..

    LOL

  20. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 10:34 pm 

    Venezuela Coverage Takes Us Back to Golden Age of Lying About Latin America

    https://fair.org/home/venezuela-coverage-takes-us-back-to-golden-age-of-lying-about-latin-america/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

    They know the oil is going to start running out soon..Time to grab whats left!

  21. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 10:49 pm 

    The Department of Justice Loves Publicizing Arrests of Alleged Terrorists — but Not the White Nationalist Coast Guard Officer

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/21/white-nationalist-coast-guard-terrorism-justice-department-christopher-hasson/

  22. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 5:43 am 

    Meet the new UN ambassador nominee – a billionaire GOP donor and science denier who gave Trump millions

    https://www.alternet.org/2019/02/meet-the-new-un-ambassador-nominee-a-billionaire-gop-donor-and-science-denier-who-gave-trump-millions/

    Pay to play at it’s finest!

  23. Davy on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 6:29 am 

    But But, MOB, most billionaires are liberal leftie scum. Your kind turn a blind eye to these parasites and point your fingers at the deplorables. I like many liberal ideas but man the package that is the American left is toxic and a lie. You are the lowest common denominator of what can be considered human. Talking about killing rich whites and breeding their daughters, WTF. Tell us more about your chemistry PHD you liar.

  24. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:10 am 

    An Italian Expose Documents Moscow Money Allegedly Funding Italy’s Far-Right Salvini

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/an-italian-expose-documents-moscow-money-allegedly-funding-italys-far-right-salvini

  25. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:12 am 

    Davy

    When have I ever supported liberal billionaires?

    You argument that the left lies is unfounded and baseless..Just like your head..

    Your just jealous of my education..Education is the enemy of jesus freaks like you.

    LOL

  26. Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:22 am 


    An Italian Expose Documents Moscow Money Allegedly Funding Italy’s Far-Right Salvini

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/an-italian-expose-documents-moscow-money-allegedly-funding-italys-far-right-salvini

    Of course they do! They also supported the French Front National. They helped funding pro-Brexit campaigns. Wouldn’t be surprised if these Russian-looking ladies are actually Russian:

    http://i.dawn.com/large/2019/01/5c3e34c2ad191.jpg

    Here a smart Jew grasping what is happening:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit

    And he doesn’t like it. Not that there is much to like for Jews in geopolitics these days anyway. OK, the Euro-vision song-festival will be held in Israel, but that is about it.

    Russia helped pushing Britain out of Europe… in order to take its place. Continental Europe + Russia would geopolitically constitute a new #1, not China. And in the US we have an alt-right fifth-column that wants to join European mainstream as well, so we can use them to break the joint up. Everybody wants to live in white lands, now even white Americans want that too! LOL

    ZOG is toast and they know it.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/the-good-news-zog-is-dying/

  27. Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:37 am 

    The battle for the self-definition of Britain continues:

    Two new political parties waiting in the wings… the Independents and a Brexit party:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6736717/Nigel-Farage-plans-steal-Tories-new-Brexit-Party-delay-leaving-EU.html

    “Nigel Farage ‘plans to steal Tories for his new Brexit Party if there is a delay on leaving the EU'”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6736083/PETER-OBORNE-Deadly-threats-skirmishes-Tory-civil-war.html

    “PETER OBORNE: Deadly threats and the first skirmishes in the Tory civil war”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6736131/MPs-Rudd-Clark-Gauke-appeal-Tory-unity-party-engulfed-bitter-fighting.html

    “‘If we don’t get a deal next week we MUST delay Brexit’: MPs Amber Rudd, Greg Clark and David Gauke appeal for Tory unity as party is engulfed by bitter in-fighting”

    Options:

    Remains: European province
    Remain-lite: Barnier-Raab deal
    No-Deal: USA vassal

    Total independence (“Global Britain”) is a pipe dream. The UK is too small for that. Attempts to that effect and especially independence from Europe, means walking straight into the loving arms of the US. Most hard Brexiteers wouldn’t mind, but the prestige of the US is nowhere near the levels it had shortly after the war.

  28. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:54 am 

    Clogg

    Russia is outnumbered by Nato by 3 to 1..And there oil is peaking soon..

    https://medium.com/@Cliffhanger1983/the-collapse-of-civilization-manifesto-2039c6a5327

    And Europe is on the brink of collapse..Why else do you think Trump is going to sanction them next?

    I see another Dutch hunger winter coming your way! And this time it will be permanent

    LOL

  29. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 7:57 am 

    Average tax refund down 17 percent, IRS reports

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/22/irs-tax-refunds-2019-1207283

    Scammed again by the Republicans..So Sheldon Aldision can get a huge tax cut for Israel. He is Trump’s largest donor

  30. Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:19 am 

    “Russia is outnumbered by Nato by 3 to 1..And there oil is peaking soon..”

    China and Russia outnumber NATO.
    Europe needs Russia for fuel.
    And the US is not as popular in Europe as you would like to think:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/germans-prefer-eurasia-over-america/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html

    Sorry, you’re a has-been, made too many enemies.
    But no worries, in the future we will be a protector of European America. Whitey can’t protect himself, no match for Uncle Schmull.

  31. Davy on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:30 am 

    “Davy When have I ever supported liberal billionaires?”
    If you support the extremist leftist you support Billionaires too because they bank role you.

    “You argument that the left lies is unfounded and baseless..Just like your head..”
    You are a lie MOB. Anything that comes out of your suck is a lie. You may present empty references and so forth with some facts but your package is a lie.

    “Your just jealous of my education..Education is the enemy of jesus freaks like you.”
    You don’t have an education. You told us you were a PHD in chemistry. You can’t be believed. You may have been a door greeter at ATT so you know something about phones> LMFAO. Now you are a stupid kid in mom’s basement waiting for the anarchist rapture. What a lunatic.

  32. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:53 am 

    I love the rage of the minorities against the whites

    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/atfkqn/dont_ask_him_to_turn_his_music_down/

    Watch that video and see..Soon Whitey will be running for his life from people like that! Once they learn the oil is running out soon!

    LOL

  33. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:56 am 

    Davy

    What are empty references? What does that even mean?

    You don’t even make sense?

    I wish your references were empty of Ads..LOL

    I guess science isn’t for everyone though.

  34. Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:57 am 

    “I love the rage of the minorities against the whites”

    We in Eurasia love that too!

    Give these whites a rough time, monster… uh mobster.
    The sooner they will volunteer to fall in our continental European natzi hands!

  35. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:58 am 

    Clogg

    Europe is on their own from this point out..

    All we have to do is sit back and watch EurAsia collapse when the oil shortage hits..

    Maybe you should have pulled a false flag like we did to capture the major oil producing countries of the ME..

    By not preparing you are…LOL

  36. The Jewish Light on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:58 am 

    Davy, didn’t I tell you already stop being such a schmoe!!!!!

  37. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:59 am 

    Clog

    Your movement is made up of flunkies, incels and elderly boomers..

    Sorry but you aren’t going to win a war with that quality of people..

    You will be running for your life!

    LOL

  38. Davy on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:46 am 

    “Davy What are empty references? What does that even mean?”

    Like I said you have no education….empty reference is when you reference something without any content from the article. What you are doing is throwing out an reference and say see, this is what I am saying. What this is then is an attempt to make shit up. Clogged does this constantly. He acts like his references support his personal comment instead of showing what in that article supports what he says. You do it all the time because you are not smart enough to pull relevant content out of the article and present it. You just like how the title sounds and assume the rest supports your agenda

  39. juanpee sock puppet on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:46 am 

    “The Jewish Light on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 8:58 am Davy, didn’t I tell you already stop being such a schmoe!!!!!”

  40. More Davy Whining and Bitching on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:52 am 

    Davy on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:46 am

  41. Mr mental illness is back on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:54 am 

    More Davy Whining and Bitching said Davy on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:46 am
    More Davy Sockpuppetry said juanpee sock puppet on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:40 am

  42. More Davy Sockpuppetry on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:55 am 

    Mr mental illness is back on Sat, 23rd Feb 2019 10:54 am

  43. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Feb 2019 6:24 am 

    German empire media lefties are getting very nervous and fear that Putin could be winning:

    http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/luegenpresse-angela-merkels-fehler-wladimir-putins-sieg-a-1254576.html

    They discuss the Russian influence in four fields where Russia clearly takes side:

    Trump presidency
    Brexit
    Yellow Vests
    Pegida/ European populism

    Der Spiegel is honest enough not to call Russian influence as decisive, but helpful yes (I agree, especially in the case of Brexit and European populism).

    Putin has clearly set the populist example for Marine le Pen, Orban, Kurtz (Austria), Trump and Salvini. In that order.

    Next they bring up “conspiracy theories”, of international financiers ruling behind the scenes (no, the don’t mention the Jews).

    Der Spiegel is getting nervous and that’s good!

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