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The Road To 10 Billion: Where Is Global Population Actually Headed?
It was a girl.
On Sunday, October 30, 2011, just before midnight, Danica May Camacho entered the world in a crowded Manila hospital, bringing the human population of our planet to seven billion. Actually, the scales could have tipped a few hours later, in a village in Uttar Pradesh, India, with the arrival of Nargis Kumar. Or it might have been a boy, Pyotr Nikolayeva, born in Kaliningrad, Russia.
Of course, it was none of them. The birth that took us to seven billion people was attended by no cameras and ceremonial speeches because we can never know where or when the event occurred. We can only know that, according to the United Nations’ best estimates, we reached sevenbillion sometime around October 31 of that year. Different countries designated certain births to symbolize this landmark in history, and Danica, Nargis, and Pyotr were among those chosen.
For many, there was no reason to celebrate. Indian health minister Ghulam Nabi Azad declared that a global population of seven billion was “not a matter of great joy, but a great worry For us a matter of joy will be when the population stabilizes.” Many share Azad’s gloom. They warn of a global population crisis. Homo sapiens is reproducing unchecked, straining our ability to feed, house, and clothe the 130 million or more new babies that UNICEF estimates arrive each year. As humans crowd the planet, forests disappear, species become extinct, the atmosphere warms.
Unless humankind defuses this population bomb, these prophets proclaim, we face a future of increasing poverty, food shortages, conflict, and environmental degradation. As one modern Malthus put it, “Barring a dramatic decline in population growth, a rapid decrease in greenhouse gas emissions, or a global outbreak of vegetarianism—all of which are trending in the opposite direction at the moment— we’re facing nothing less than the end of plenty for the majority of the earth’s people.”
All of this is completely, utterly wrong.
The great defining event of the twenty-first century—one of the great defining events in human history—will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end. We do not face the challenge of a population bomb but of a population bust—a relentless, generation-after-generation culling of the human herd. Nothing like this has ever happened before.
If you find this news shocking, that’s not surprising. The United Nations forecasts that our population will grow from seven billion to eleven billion in this century before leveling off after 2100. But an increasing number of demographers around the world believe the UN estimates are far too high. More likely, they say, the planet’s population will peak at around nine billion sometime between 2040 and 2060, and then start to decline, perhaps prompting the UN to designate a symbolic death to mark the occasion. By the end of this century, we could be back to where we are right now, and steadily growing fewer.
Populations are already declining in about two dozen states around the world; by 2050 the number will have climbed to three dozen. Some of the richest places on earth are shedding people every year: Japan, Korea, Spain, Italy, much of Eastern Europe. “We are a dying country,” Italy’s health minister, Beatrice Lorenzin, lamented in 2015.
But this isn’t the big news. The big news is that the largest developing nations are also about to grow smaller, as their own fertility rates come down. China will begin losing people in a few years. By the middle of this century, Brazil and Indonesia will follow suit. Even India, soon to become the most populous nation on earth, will see its numbers stabilize in about a generation and then start to decline. Fertility rates remain sky-high in sub-Saharan Africa and parts of the Middle East. Even here, though, things are changing as young women obtain access to education and birth control. Africa is likely to end its unchecked baby boom much sooner than the
UN’s demographers think.
Some of the indications of an accelerating decline in fertility can be found in scholarly research and government reports; others can only be found by talking to people on the street. And so we did. To gather research for this book, we traveled to cities on six continents: to Brussels and Seoul, Nairobi and São Paulo, Mumbai and Beijing, Palm Springs and Canberra and Vienna. There were other stops as well. We talked to academics and public officials, but more important, we talked to young people: on university campuses and at research institutes and in favelas and slums. We wanted to know what they were thinking about the most important decision they will ever make: whether and when to have a baby.
Population decline isn’t a good thing or a bad thing. But it is a big thing. A child born today will reach middle age in a world in which conditions and expectations are very different from our own. She will find the planet more urban, with less crime, environmentally healthier but with many more old people. She won’t have trouble finding a job, but she may struggle to make ends meet, as taxes to pay for health care and pensions for all those seniors eat into her salary. There won’t be as many schools, because there won’t be as many children.
But we won’t have to wait thirty or forty years to feel the impact of population decline. We’re feeling it today, in developed nations from Japan to Bulgaria that struggle to grow their economies even as the cohort of young workers and consumers diminishes, making it harder to provide social services or sell refrigerators. We see it in urbanizing Latin America and even Africa, where women are increasingly taking charge of their own destinies. We see it in every household where the children take longer to move out because they’re in no rush to settle down and haven’t the slightest intention of having a baby before they’re thirty. And we’re seeing it, tragically, in roiling Mediterranean seas, where refugees from wretched places press against the borders of a Europe that is already starting to empty out.
We may see it, very soon, influencing the global contest for power. Population decline will shape the nature of war and peace in the decades ahead, as some nations grapple with the fallout of their shrinking, aging societies while others remain able to sustain themselves. The defining geopolitical challenge in the coming decades could involve accommodating and containing an angry, frightened China as it confronts the consequences of its disastrous one-child policy.
Some of those who fear the fallout of a diminishing population advocate government policies to increase the number of children couples have. But the evidence suggests this is futile. The “low-fertility trap” ensures that, once having one of two children becomes the norm, it stays the norm. Couples no longer see having children as a duty they must perform to satisfy their obligation to their families or their god. Rather, they choose to raise a child as an act of personal fulfillment. And they are quickly fulfilled.
One solution to the challenge of a declining population is to import replacements. That’s why two Canadians wrote this book. For decades now, Canada has brought in more people, on a per capita basis, than any other major developed nation, with little of the ethnic tensions, ghettos, and fierce debate that other countries face. That’s because the country views immigration as an economic policy— under the merit-based points system, immigrants to Canada are typically better educated, on average, than the native-born—and because it embraces multiculturalism: the shared right to celebrate your native culture within the Canadian mosaic, which has produced a peaceful, prosperous, polyglot society, among the most fortunate on earth.
Not every country is able to accept waves of newcomers with Canada’s aplomb. Many Koreans, Swedes, and Chileans have a very strong sense of what it means to be Korean, Swedish, or Chilean. France insists its immigrants embrace the idea of being French, even as many of the old stock deny such a thing is possible, leaving immigrant communities isolated in their banlieues, separate and not equal. The population of the United Kingdom is projected to continue growing, to about 82 million at the end of the century, from 66 million today, but only if the British continue to welcome robust levels of immigration. As the Brexit referendum revealed, many Brits want to turn the English Channel into a moat. To combat depopulation, nations must embrace both immigration and multiculturalism. The first is hard. The second, for some, may prove impossible.
Among great powers, the coming population decline uniquely advantages the United States. For centuries, America has welcomed new arrivals, first from across the Atlantic, then the Pacific as well, and today from across the Rio Grande. Millions have happily plunged into the melting pot—America’s version of multiculturalism—enriching both its economy and culture. Immigration made the twentieth century the American century, and continued immigration will define the twenty-first as American as well.
Unless. The suspicious, nativist, America First groundswell of recent years threatens to choke off the immigration tap that made America great by walling up the border between the United States and everywhere else. Under President Donald Trump, the federal government not only cracked down on illegal immigrants, it reduced legal admissions for skilled workers, a suicidal policy for the U.S. economy. If this change is permanent, if Americans out of senseless fear reject their immigrant tradition, turning their backs on the world, then the United States too will decline, in numbers and power and influence and wealth. This is the choice that every American must make: to support an open, inclusive, welcoming society, or to shut the door and wither in isolation.
The human herd has been culled in the past by famine or plague. This time, we are culling ourselves; we are choosing to become fewer. Will our choice be permanent? The answer is: probably yes. Though governments have sometimes been able to increase the number of children couples are willing to have through generous child care payments and other supports, they have never managed to bring fertility back up to the replacement level of, on average, 2.1 children per woman needed to sustain a population. Besides, such programs are extremely expensive and tend to be cut back during economic downturns. And it is arguably unethical for a government to try to convince a couple to have a child that they would otherwise not have had.
As we settle into a world growing smaller, will we celebrate or mourn our diminishing numbers? Will we struggle to preserve growth, or accept with grace a world in which people both thrive and strive less? We don’t know. But it may be a poet who observes that, for the first time in the history of our race, humanity feels old.
Reprinted from EMPTY PLANET: The Shock of Global Population Decline Copyright © 2019 by John Ibbitson and Darrell Bricker. Published by Crown Publishers, an imprint of Penguin Random House LLC.
Wall Street Journal: “‘Empty Planet’ Review: A Drop in Numbers” — “Is a dangerous population explosion imminent? For decades we’ve been told so by scientific elites, starting with the Club of Rome reports in the 1970s. But in their compelling book ‘Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline,’ Canadian social scientist Darrell Bricker and journalist John Ibbitson lay out the opposite case: ‘The great defining event of the twenty-first century,’ they say, ‘will occur in three decades, give or take, when the global population starts to decline. Once that decline begins, it will never end.’
“Their book is a vital warning to the world that the risks associated with population have been catastrophically misread: Governments and activists have spent decades fighting the specter of overpopulation, but now face the looming demographic calamity of global population collapse. Fewer people participating in the economy will mean slower economic growth, less entrepreneurship, rising inequality and calamitous government debt.
“Pulling examples from extensive on-the-ground research in settings as disparate as São Paulo favelas, Seoul universities and Nairobi businesses, the authors combine a mastery of social-science research with enough journalistic flair to convince fair-minded readers of a simple fact: Fertility is falling faster than most experts can readily explain, driven by persistent forces. In Brazil and China astonishing numbers of women opt for permanent sterilization well before the end of their fertile years (half of Chinese couples take this route). In South Korea and Japan women delay childbirth until their 30s or forgo it altogether. There even has been an unexpected collapse in fertility among Hispanics in the United States: They, like most of America’s other ethnic groups, now have below-replacement birth rates. The drivers of global fertility decline are here to stay.”
Inside Higher Ed: “Review: Is ‘Empty Planet’ Too Little Worried About the U.S.?” — “What do you worry about?
“Climate change? The concentration of wealth and growing inequality? Robots taking all the jobs? Our crumbling infrastructure? Public disinvestment from higher education?
“I worry about babies. A lack of babies. Too few babies.
“A few years ago my family visited South Korea. The total fertility rate (TFR) in South Korea is 1.3. That means that, on average, a South Korean woman will give birth to 1.3 babies in her lifetime.
“As replacement fertility requires a TFR of 2.1 – as both mom and dad need to be replaced – South Korea’s population (absent immigration or reunification) will eventually decline.
“By 2050 the South Korean population will have declined 51. 5 million today to under 40 million. Four-in-ten of the remaining South Koreans will be 65 and older.”
Wired: “The World Might Actually Run Out Of People” — “You know the story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consuming people on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.
“But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?
“That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th. After painstakingly breaking down the numbers for themselves, the pair arrived at a drastically different prediction for the future of the human species. ‘In roughly three decades, the global population will begin to decline,’ they write. ‘Once that decline begins, it will never end.’ “
Hilary McQuilkin produced this hour for broadcast.
93 Comments on "The Road To 10 Billion: Where Is Global Population Actually Headed?"
Cull Humanity on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 3:48 pm
Lol – too few babies. There can never be too few hairless apes on this space rock.
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 4:30 pm
“The data suggest that on a net exports basis, after subtracting out rising domestic liquids consumption, Saudi Arabia has been supply constrained since 2005.
Their net exports of total petroleum liquids (BP data base) increased from 7.1 million bpd in 2002 to 8.7 million bpd in 2005, but their net exports have been below the 2005 level for 12 straight years, through 2017, averaging only 7.9 million bpd for 2006 to 2017 inclusive.
Note the large increase in Saudi net exports from 2002 to 2005 as annual Brent crude oil prices approximately doubled from $25 in 2002 to $55 in 2005.
However, as annual Brent crude oil prices doubled again, from $55 in 2005 to $110 for 2011 to 2013 inclusive, Saudi net exports averaged only 8.0 million bpd during this three year period of triple digit oil prices, versus 8.7 million bpd in 2005.”
Our historic population has been 1-10 million, with a near extinction 70,000 years ago.
7.6+? Please.
Davy on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 5:17 pm
More bad news is good news thingy this world is full of these days. This author is delusional and oblivious to honest science. A good planetary carrying capacity is 1BIL. Maybe we can make ends meet with 3BIL. 9BIL is suicide.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 5:33 pm
Selling a book…but the idea that a lot of immigrants into the US is a plus, is a misguided idea, I think. It will eventually hurry the US decline into the 3rd world. We shall see.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 5:48 pm
Duncan, 1-10 million as the “historic” population?
The estimated world population in 2,000BC was about 100,000,000, not a few million. Ancient Egypt had millions and it was just one country. Ditto China, India, etc.
https://scottmanning.com/content/year-by-year-world-population-estimates/
The world could handle a population of one billion up until the discovery of FFs. Then we turned on the heat and will end up cooking ourselves, and the planet, in the next century, or less. After which, the human population will be zero. However, the roaches, and the like, will prosper. The meek will truly inherit the earth. LOL
Shortend on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 5:57 pm
Why does these articles focus on births…seems deaths of old aged folks that milk the system to be kept alive to infirmed
State well into their 80 and 90s should be questioned.
Yes, there are two ends to the population issue. Also, trying to keep terminally ill alive at all costs. Sorry, we are not being realistic
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 6:08 pm
Duncan, 1-10 million as the “historic” population?
Yep, over the last 200,000 years.
Take a look:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a9b4a791eb6db13a17c4b70bbc1db2d
makati1 on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 6:13 pm
Short, if you are lucky, you may someday be one of those “old aged folks”. I doubt you will make it to that point with your attitude.
I agree that heroic methods are not necessary but if your heart needs a new pig valve so you can live a few more years, and your insurance will pay for it, I would bet next months SS check that you would opt for the valve. My step-dad did and he is celebrating his 95th birthday next month. Oink! ^_^
BTW: I’m 75 and in very good health. I do not even need meds for anything. I could live another 20 years easily. Long life is a genetic feature of my family. Everyone lives into their late 80s, or longer. I will likely last longer than the US can pay SS. I’m prepared for that time, are you?
makati1 on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 6:23 pm
Duncan, those PREHISTORIC numbers are only guesses. Not recorded facts. There were records of 2,000BC. You are grasping at straws to prove your point.
My assertion still stands. Humans will be gone in 100 years, or less. We have already doomed ourselves. Species suicide.
BTW: That chart begins in 8,000BC, not 200,000 years ago, just 10,000. And, it disagrees with logic. What was the authors spin? No article included with your ref.
Pete Bauer on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 6:53 pm
Population growth rate is slowing, but the population is still rising by 80 million / year because the base population is increasing. This will continue for many more decades.
Only 20 out of 200 countries have negative growth rate but these are small countries, so it will not slow down world population growth rate.
So the 10 billion, 11 and even 12 billion is sure.
makati1 on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 7:10 pm
Pete, the next 10 years will see a huge change in births that live and ‘old age
extenders’ that disappear when the SHTF. Deaths are going to increase. Just look at the US’ increase in suicides and drug overdose deaths recently. A sign of things to come as stress increases. The return of old diseases that kill, like Ebola. Etc.
You have to look beyond the old numbers. The total picture says that population has about peaked. When there are no more heroic measures available, people will just die. When meds are no longer available, people will just die. Genetic damage from chemicals in our food, air and water, will increase childbirth deaths and increase sterility. Etc. If we reach much over an actual eight billion, I will be surprised.
Free Speech Forum on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 7:33 pm
The US used to love personal responsibility, freedom, morality, peace, and balanced budgets.
Americans are now embracing welfare, tyranny, immorality, war, and debt.
Some Americans are not adjusting well to the changes and the hypocrisy.
You just need to go outside to see the insanity. Have you noticed the panhandlers, the illegal immigrants, the cashier high on drugs, a black man using his fingers while pretending to shoot you, the homosexual in the gym shower leering at you, the white man spitting, the fat girl wearing pajamas at the supermarket, and the old lady driving slow on purpose in the parking lot talking to herself?
People living in the US would think this was normal, but Americans don’t realize how far the USA has fallen until they travel abroad.
Being a fat, tattooed single mother in Vietnam would be shameful.
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
How can Americans sleep at night while the US collapses or look in the mirror now without feeling disgusted?
Theedrich on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 8:28 pm
Overpopulation? America wants suicide by nukes. See Korean linguist, intelligence analyst and security expert Dr. Van Jackson’s On the Brink: Trump, Kim, and the Threat of Nuclear War, at https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HKLG39Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0 (Nov 29, 2018).
Before President Trump took office in January 2017, various highly placed potentates in Congress, the Obama administration and the Pentagon, were working themselves up into a lather about North Korea’s intensifying nuclear program. Jackson: The United States was already drifting toward an acute military confrontation with the North when Trump ascended to the presidency. After all, that program ran counter to the Project for American Global Conquest. Then, after the new administration settled in, the American approach moved into high gear. Various U.S. authorities had already suggested the desirability of a “preemptive war” to extinguish the DPRK nuclear “threat,” failing to understand that NoKo dictator Kim Jong Un was mainly concerned about the defense of his regime and country against what he saw as American aggression. And as Jackson says in his introduction, “Even if Trump had never existed, the situation in Korea was growing increasingly dire. And as I argue later in the book, a Hillary Clinton presidency would have found itself sleepwalking into a crisis with North Korea at some point, even if a shorter, less explosive, and more manageable one than that which occurred during Trump’s tenure.”
It should also not be forgotten that “The United States ‘dropped 635,000 tons of bombs’ during the [Korean] war, a staggering figure that excluded 32,557 tons of napalm. General Curtis LeMay, former Commander of Strategic Air Command, gave an interview in which he ballparked that ‘we killed off — what — twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of war, or from starvation and exposure?’ Of that, North Korea’s population, which numbered less than ten million at the beginning of the war, fell by an estimated 1.3 million by its end.”
The U.S. policy of threats against, and “maximum pressure” on, North Korea simply do not work, and in fact cause blowback. In 2017 three paths to disaster almost devolved into the abyss: American ”preemptive war“ plans; brinksmanship on both sides; and mistakes by either’s defense systems or by misinterpretations by the American military. (Recall, e.g., the 2018 Jan. 13 false alarm that a nuclear missile was headed to Hawaii, and mortally terrified 100,000 Hawaians for 38 minutes until the error in alert was announced. Luckily, PACOM — the Pacific Command — kept its cool and did not attack NoKo.) The American posture and operations during 2017 and early 2018 were planetarily life-threatening, not least because, given the successful 2017 Nov 28 test of the DPRK’s Hwasong-15 ICBM, Pyongyang can now nuke the Yankee homeland.
Although the American media propagated the lie that the administration’s “maximum pressure” was responsible for defusing the near-death experience, Jackson writes that “In essence, the crisis came to a close only because Kim had gotten far enough along the nuclear path to feel secure against external bombing or invasion.”
The preferred American strategy of coercive diplomacy, relying strongly on military threats and options, is leading us toward ever greater danger. The world is not standing still. Every nation or even militant group is striving with might and main to develop and/or acquire ever more lethal weapons. American threats no longer lead to the submission of others; they beget counter-threats. And American insistence that the world submit to its will entails peril of a type unprecedented in all of history.
FuelShortageComingYouAreDeadLoser on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 8:59 pm
The speed at which white people of ancestral origin are vanishing still surprised me. I knew it was happening but I never thought I could see some it before I died.
There is a youtube channel called rise Canada. It is own by a immigrant of brown color. I like this channel because it captures really well the multiculturalism shit hole that Toronto the financial capital of Canada has become.
one example I took from this channel
Angry Patriot blasts liberalism and illegal migrants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXRmGlEcCrU
Fell free to browse to Rise Canada youtube channel. There is some gems out there that will make you laugh or cry depending of your moods
FuelShortageComing on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 9:19 pm
The decaying of Canada education system. Some of you might like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4s4RcbP5d0
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Feb 2019 11:06 pm
“America wants suicide by nukes.“
That Bolton freak wants to place intermediate range nuke missiles in Europe, like in the eighties. The only time I joined a huge protest march. I would do it again. Time to throw the Americans out of Europe and team up with Russia and China and create a new world order, run by the EU, Russia and China.
Shortend on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:12 am
Mak, you are taking my post too personal.
The fact is if we chopped put the age of old folks at the other end of the bell curve, the population crisis is more manageable.
BTW, I don’t care what age you are or how much longer you can pollute the planet.
makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:19 am
Short, you make it personal with that remark, as you did by saying “old folks” are dispensable. You may never get to be an “old folk” with that attitude. Especially if you live in the dying US.
You pollute the planet much more than I do if you are living in a Western country. Americans pollute the planet over four times as much as the typical Asian, or myself. So, by your reasoning, all Westerners should just die, because they pollute more than anyone of any age, correct? Hypocrite!
makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:26 am
Cloggie, I second that motion! The US puts nuclear missiles in the EU, Russia puts them 100 miles off the US coasts in submarines. Who will win? If anyone, it will be Russia. Their defense is better. There will be no US or EU when the radioactive dust settles. Of course, that only gives the rest of the world a few decades to live also…unless…
The new nukes leave no radiation if they are air bursts, just destruction and death for anyone inside their circle of fire and blast. Maybe no Nuclear Winter? If so, most of the world would survive an exchange between Russia and the US. I’m not anxious to find out. Are you? lol
Shortend on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:52 am
Mak, the fact is at any other period of History you would be pushing us daisies decades ago…instead of wasting your go?den years in front of a screen bragging.
When the SHTF for are the first to be cut loose brother…now that is personal..
Truth Buster on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:12 am
My, my, how conveniently Davy forgets about Pablo. Let me remind everyone what you had written. You recounted that you were in Forest Park in the City of St. Louis “tricking”. To gather up the courage to cruise the park trails and restrooms, you had consumed a quart of Ripple in 15 minutes. You subsequently passed out in the park and you fortunately awoke to find a stranger, Pablo, whom you identify as an ebony twink, painting your toenails. You went on to say how lucky you were. You could have found yourself robbed, sodomized, and dropped-off in East St. Louis.
You are such a hypocrite, exceptionalistard.
Sock puppet slut JuanP on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:48 am
Truth Buster on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 4:12 am
JuanP you are a mentally ill dysfunctional playboy fuck. I am sure your whore wife left you and now you are sleeping in the community garden in a tent. Get off of here so real people with real ideas can share knowledge
makati1 on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:02 am
Short, I spend about 3 hours per day online. Mostly to read news from around the world not USMSM propaganda. Or to chat with my family and friends back in the States.
I have a very good life, thank you. Probably a better one than you have. I have no masters. I pay zero taxes except sales taxes on what I buy. I personally own no property. No car. Have no religious fantasies. My kids are all grown, married and very successful. I enjoy a freedom you will NEVER have.
I watch the US collapse and applaud its demise. When it can no longer threaten the rest of the world, I will celebrate, as will billions of others. It cannot happen too soon. I invited my family to come and live with me, but that is their option. They make their own decisions.
Yes, I enjoy my SS as it just gives me extra to spend on preps and a few luxuries like fresh Marlin steaks or wine and cheese from the UK. BTW: It is evening here and still 80 degrees. I’m listening to the frogs cheeping after a brief shower. What’s it like where you live? ^_^
P,S. I wouldn’t want to be on Guam now. A Cat3 typhoon is headed their way.
Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:06 am
“Just look at the US’ increase in suicides and drug overdose deaths recently.”
makato, this number is insignificant try again.
Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:08 am
“That Bolton freak wants to place intermediate range nuke missiles in Europe, like in the eighties.”
clogged, the end of the inf treaty concerns China not Russia. There will be no intermediate missiles in Europe not is there a need.
Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:13 am
“Short, you make it personal with that remark, as you did by saying “old folks” are dispensable.”
At some point old folks in their last year of life which is hugely expensive and the overflowing nursing homes some of whom can barely take care of themselves will have to end. This is true at the other side of the spectrum with children born too early. This will be an economic reality more than a moral/economic decision. We are not going to have the resources at some point to accommodate extending life at all costs.
Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:19 am
“I have a very good life, thank you. Probably a better one than you have.”
makato, somebody that spends the amount of time you spend complimenting themselves and saying you are better than everyone else obviously has life decision remorse. Something is not right with makato and the life he is living. Other than clogged, you brag about yourself more than anyone and attack others as beneath you the most. This is a clear sign of an unfulfilled life. People that are happy and content don’t have to tell the world all the time. People that are happy do not spew hate and resentment continually.
Isn’t it time for bed? You been on the board more than 3 hours BTW.
Antius on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:23 am
This article is for white people:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/02/18/this-article-is-for-white-people/#more-192013
It is time for our people to develop some self-esteem. No other people on Earth have such guilt attached to their identity. It is time to accept that our people are the greatest of humanity; that we invented the modern world and that the world would be a cruel, primitive and dull place without us.
Davy on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 5:28 am
Give me a break Antius. I am white and have not guilt. Most white people I know have no guilt. The burning platform is an extremist site that makato constantly reference, that should tell you something. White people have created the conditions to destroy the world and now people of color are following that blueprint. It is more like humans are to blame not any color.
DerHundistLos on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:00 am
Population declines are effecting 383 million people or just 5% of the total world population.
Is this the best argument the BAU, Wall Street Journal crowd can develop?
The Truth Shall Set DAVY Free on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:03 am
When will Davy be “man” enough to admit he loves the cock (ebony)?
The TRUTH SHALL SET DAVY FREE.
JuanP sock slut on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:10 am
The Truth Shall Set DAVY Free on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 6:03 am
Mentally ill JuanPee showing off his dysfunctional personality again. Fuck you and the whore who bore you. Get the fuck out of our country illegal alien leach
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 7:30 am
The last law of nature says: that any creature that despoils and outbreeds its natural habitat will be culled to bring its numbers under control and restore a stable environment.
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 7:31 am
This is why we need to hit Russia and China with a nuclear first strike..We need to cull around 1 billion or more people..
Its either them or us..
Live free or die!
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 8:32 am
IT’S MA’AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6OpRfyLFo
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 9:28 am
“This is why we need to hit Russia and China with a nuclear first strike..We need to cull around 1 billion or more people..”
We need to reopen the Schwitz and give you a special treatment.
Alternatively we could hand you over to the Chinese. I mean if they eat dogs….
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 9:30 am
Winter Olympics 2022 in our socialist utopia
https://i.redd.it/ucu8lla06bd21.png
The white man is the sleigh!
LOL
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 9:32 am
CLogg
They are going to die either way..Would you rather they run out of food and starve and eat each other?
At least a nuclear blast will be quick..Just saying..I got nothing against them and wish things could be different..But your stupid generation didn’t change course in time..So now its us or them…And I am choosing us..
Live free or die!
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 10:28 am
Fox News host Laura Ingraham’s guest says the country is ‘in a civil war’ — and people should ‘buy guns’
https://www.alternet.org/2019/02/fox-news-host-laura-ingrahams-guest-says-the-country-is-in-a-civil-war-and-people-should-buy-guns/
FuelShorgageComingYouAreDeadNigger on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 10:36 am
You cannot win against Russian. They have nuclear weapon and have an high IQ.
Whites people need to unite no matter what nationality and start bombing Africa and Middle-East.
Whites nations needs to stop any trade relationship whit Africa and Middle-East countries and let these primitives piece of shit kill each other. We need to stop sending food, medication and engineering services to these nation and let them die on their own.
White man need to stop this compassion shit.
I hope a lot of Venezuelan people die and I hope the US and other nations cause as much as possible societal chaos withing Venezuela. Not enough people are dying in Venezuela right now. Not good for us whites people. More shit skin die better for Whites
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 11:20 am
Black female singer Jadu loves all things natzi:
https://www.bento.de/art/jadu-steht-auf-nazi-kram-findet-das-aber-nicht-politisch-ist-das-okay-a-f51fb7f8-fac4-4a62-a3d8-ce595046678e#refsponi
She is black so she gets away with it.
And to be fair, Jesse Owens was treated like a king in the Third Reich, while snubbed in the US:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/race/how-america-snubbed-jesse-owens/
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/jesse-owens-wins-gold-nazi-germany/
Hitler personally penned a letter to Owens to congratulate him on his spectacular victories. This is more than what he got from the American presidents.
Owens was cheered everywhere and befriended with his German competitor:
http://www.historyvshollywood.com/video/jesse-owens-olympics-footage/
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v5n1p123.html
Any notion that the Germans were “embarrassed” because of victories by non-whites at the Berlin Games is ridiculous. Jesse Owens is very prominently featured in Olympia, the official German documentary of the Games. Leni Riefenstahl’s film masterwork also devotes great attention to many other non-whites, including outstanding Japanese athletes. The same holds true in the deluxe, semi-official German picture book commemorating the Games, Die Olympischen Spiele 1936, released by the Cigaretten-Bilderdienst. Jesse Owens is pictured seven times in this book – more than any other athlete – and is admiringly referred to as “the fastest in the world.”… To his credit, Jesse Owens himself never contributed to the myth-making. He repeatedly stressed the warmth of his reception in Germany and his happiness during those days in Berlin. But he couldn’t prevent others from using him as a symbol, in life as well as in death, to slander Germany for motives of their own.
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 12:00 pm
Clogg
We get it pall..Hitler was a great guy and all the worlds history books are wrong..And your lunatic fringe sources are right..
LOL
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 2:24 pm
“We get it pall..Hitler was a great guy and all the worlds history books are wrong..And your lunatic fringe sources are right..”
But somehow you are unable to defeat me in a direct debate and instead, cowardly, you redirect to some imaginary historian know-it-all at Reddit, who no doubt is going to teach me a thing or two about history, marxist-correct, that goes without saying.
When America will implode in a couple of years, for political reasons, not this silly peak-oil superstition, nobody will be around to enforce these empire tales anymore. Oh and Russia can unload its WW2 archives on you, to finish you off once and for all.
Nobody had any regret about the demise of the USSR and once the full truth will come out nobody is going to mourn for you either.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/lord-heseltine-suggests-brexit-allowing-germany-win-world-war/
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 2:42 pm
BP’s ‘Peak Oil’ Demand Prediction Falls Flat
https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2019/02/22/bps_peak_oil_demand_prediction_falls_flat_110397.html
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 2:45 pm
Germany 2018 record surplus 58 billion euro:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-closed-2018-with-record-budget-surplus/a-47626726
USA 2018 deficit 830 billion $
NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 2:46 pm
what kind of trooth can be had when the tards are out for power and winning? i’m sick of people winning arguments because this is the biz of the press and the owners of the press. we’re saying that those winners are bad and the tards being winners are good. same different sides of a coin.
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 2:53 pm
Clogg
The us is going to be oil independent soon..If you want to ignore the IEA and Goldman Sachs and the Saudi’s go right ahead..
Europe and Asia are history soon..You are going to go into civil war when your oil supplies start to run out..Just like the Mayans..
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/22/peak-oil-drastic-oil-shortages-imminent-says-iea/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/09/goldman-sachs-there-will-be-an-oil-shortage-in-the-2020s.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-minister-sees-end-of-oil-price-slump-1476870790
Enjoy the collapse..You keep wishing for the US to collapse..But its not based on facts and reason like my argument for your region..
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:24 pm
Reddit’s CEO got corrective laser eye surgery—for the apocalypse. I did too.
https://mashable.com/2017/01/23/fix-your-eyes-before-the-apocalypse/?europe=true#QvFyynixs5qG
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:27 pm
You are going to go into civil war when your oil supplies start to run out..Just like the Mayans..
Yes, we all know how the Mayan civilization came to its gruesome end, when their oil supplies dwindled, in one word horrific. At some point they began to eat their children. You don’t want to know this.
Terrible.
Back to reality…
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2018/38/begrotingsoverschot-halverwege-2018-naar-1-9-van-bbp
The Netherlands, as always a little stronger (per capita) than our German friends:
https://www.tijd.be/dossier/europareeks/nederland-heeft-12-miljard-euro-over-op-begroting/10081914.html
Government surplus 12 billion. Rapid declining state debt, now only 54% GDP. Has been declining since 2013:
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2018/38/begrotingsoverschot-halverwege-2018-naar-1-9-van-bbp
#GoldenDecade
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 3:41 pm
Clog why do you say things that can easily be refuted? you know I am just going to look up your countries GDP numbers and prove you wrong?
Netherlands Economy (GDP) Per Capita
1965 7.1
1973 4.5
1989 3.7
1996 3.0
2016 1.6
2028 0.0 > Economic Collapse
Source: World Bank
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=NL
Govt economic advisor warns British defense planners that OECD growth is ending
“A fascinating — if worrying — contention is that the peak growth rates of the 1960s were only possible at all on the back of a huge and deeply destructive exploitation of dirty fossil fuels; something that can be ill afforded — even if it were available — in the era of dangerous climate change and declining resource quality. Low (and declining) rates of economic growth may well be the ‘new normal’.”
He cites former World Bank chief economic Larry Summers, for instance, who has recently observed:
“The underlying problem may be there forever.”
“Whereas for the global GDP per capita, the point at which growth disappeares is more than 60 years into the future, for GDP per capita in the OECD nations, the point is brought forwards dramatically. In less than a decade, on current trends, there would be no growth at all in GDP per capita across the OECD nations.”
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/govt-economic-advisor-warns-british-defence-planners-that-growth-is-ending-abf806f17845