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Richard Heinberg: The House is on Fire
A: The house is on fire!
B: You sound so shrill. Can’t you say something witty or insightful?
A: How about this: The house is on fire!
C: We’re never going to be able to do anything about the house until we defeat capitalism first.
A: But the house is on fire NOW! If we don’t do something right away, we’ll all die!
D: You liberals are always saying the house is on fire. Fire is what makes our house economy work. Putting out the fire would be bad for business, and business creates jobs. Just simmer down.
A: But it’s really true! Can’t you feel the heat?
E: The world is so unfair. Underprivileged people are always the first ones to feel the heat. We should devote all our efforts to overcoming prejudice and inequality. That’s the most important thing.
A: But can’t we do that WHILE we do something about the fire?
F: You’re just scaring everyone. I’ve lived in this house all my life and we’ve had problems, but we always overcame them. The most important thing is to have an optimistic attitude.
A: Ack! I’d leave, but so many people are blocking the door. We’re all in this together, and the house is on fire! Can’t somebody do something?
G: It’s really tiring to hear you bleat on about fire. Nobody’s going to listen to you until you find fire solutions that offer everyone tangible benefits in their lives—more jobs, a stronger economy, higher corporate profits, better national security. It’s your negative framing that’s the problem.
A: No, the problem is that the house is on fire! Maybe there’s a window I could get to, if only there weren’t so many people in here. Seems like it’s getting more crowded all the time.
H: Have you seen Engorged? It’s the new streaming channel with 200 billion hours of entertainment—movies, music, sports—that lets you peer through other people’s devices to watch them watching whatever you’re watching. It’s so cool!
A: I think there’s a window over there… but I’m getting awfully hot. And it’s so crowded I can’t move.
* * *
Life in the early phases of civilizational collapse is filled with absurdities that beg for artful satire. Where is Franz Kafka when we need him? Surely, he could offer a better metaphor than my hackneyed image of a house fire. But maybe it will do for now.
Of course, fire in this scenario is a stand-in for climate change—and actually for much more as well, as I’ll discuss in a moment. First let’s unpack the more obvious meanings.
My recent co-author (and go-to energy guru) David Fridley reminded me the other day that nearly everything we use represents a little fire somewhere—usually several of them. Your smart phone? Little fires drove the machines that extracted the raw minerals. Bigger fires smelted the metals. Little fires fueled the vehicles that transported all the parts, sometimes for thousands of miles. More little fires heated, cooled, and powered the various warehouses and assembly plants involved. Pick any object: unless it’s a tree or other feature of the natural environment, a fire is implicated. The same is typically true for services—keeping us warm, cool, and provisioned with food, health care, and education. We even need fires to make solar panels and wind turbines (for example: 3,000-degree-Fahrenheit furnace fires that run 24/7 are used to make pure silicon wafers for photovoltaic panels). Granted, over its lifetime a PV panel will entail less fire than a coal or natural gas power plant producing the same amount of electricity. But if we wanted to make a hell of a lot of PV panels right away in order to replace all our coal or gas power plants, enormous short-term fires would have to be stoked.
The bind we’re in is this: it is the economy—made up of all those billions of fires—that is causing climate change. Reconfiguring the economy so that it doesn’t cause climate change is currently almost completely a matter of theory, and, even if it is practically possible, represents a job of unprecedented scope and scale that would require nearly unheard-of political solidarity and almost incalculably massive investment and sacrifice (those “affordable energy transition” studies notwithstanding).
Meanwhile, most people are directly dependent on the economy for their survival. Thus, economic contraction or collapse (resulting either from climate change, or from efforts to avert climate change by radically reducing energy use, or from depletion of resources like oil, or even from some entirely foreseeable socioeconomic calamity like a massive debt default or terminal political dysfunction caused by increasing levels of inequality) would itself be traumatic. And for many people (certainly not all!), economic trauma might come sooner and be more direct and devastating than trauma from rising seas, droughts, floods, wildfires, and the other anticipated consequences of global warming.
So, of course, most people are cautious. They hesitate to go along with bold climate “solutions”—which might only somewhat blunt the climate crisis even if they were fully implemented—even though, by not taking climate action, they are further ensuring economic collapse by a different route. Although the house is on fire, very few people are willing to contemplate the kinds of bold programs that would be needed to douse the deadly conflagration. And meanwhile there are so many distractions to amuse, confound, and enrage us!—including political intrigue, seductive new technologies, and entertainment options up the wazoo.
This is the very definition of a wicked problem. I wish I had a nice solution.
As mentioned above, the problem extends beyond climate change. These days one should be just as concerned about vanishing biodiversity—the latest, and in some respects most worrisome symptom of which is the “insect apocalypse.” A recent series of studies informs us that insect populations that have been studied are losing about 2.4 percent of total biomass annually, with about 40 percent of all insects already gone. A paper by Sanchez-Bayo and Wyckhuys concludes that climate change is only one of four major causes—which also (and more critically) include habitat loss due to expansion of industrial agriculture, pollution from synthetic pesticides and fertilizers, and biological factors such as pathogens and introduced species. If the insects go, we all go, eventually—as a result of ecological, economic, and ultimately social impacts and feedbacks.
Then there’s the deoxygenation of the oceans; the buildup of synthetic chemical pollution (partly from the breakdown of plastics) in the tissues of animals, including humans; phosphorus depletion; deforestation; and still the list goes on.
Under the circumstances, anyone who is even dimly conscious should be yelling, “The house is on fire!” And more people are doing so all the time. The latest example is the “extinction rebellion,” an international social movement that aims to use nonviolent protest to drive radical change, with the goal of averting climate change and further students are striking school for climate action—ditching classes and attending climate change demonstrations instead. After all, why sit obediently in rows to learn how to live in a civilization that’s doomed?
So, what are we who are yelling “fire” trying to persuade everyone else to do? Some activists say we need to get rid of capitalism, but that effort has been under way since the mid-19th century and shows little sign of progress. Others say we need to create plans for ending climate change that would also simultaneously create jobs, more social equity, and corporate profits. Such plans are relatively easy to reverse engineer: start with the happy ending, then work backward. But all the ones that I’ve seen so far rely on major inputs of pixie dust and magic in order to achieve their goals.
The only sure solution is to start putting out fires—which, in terms of our metaphor, would mean shrinking the economy. That further translates to reducing the number of people on the planet (gradually—no genocide!) as well as the per capita rate of consumption (efforts along these lines would concentrate on the high-consuming countries). Our goal would be a sustainable and equitable level of consumption for all. But the constituency for doing that is tiny. And doing it without unleashing utter economic bedlam would require rethinking everything about how the economy currently works.
We at Post Carbon Institute have settled on the strategy of helping build community resilience in the face of impending civilizational collapse. I have colleagues outside of PCI who say that national and global action is essential to avert the worst; they still hope to convince the plutocrats and bureaucrats of the world to stage some spectacular intervention. But if the latter effort doesn’t work, then grassroots community resilience building truly is the last, best fallback strategy. Theoretically, if done well (using permaculture principles), it could aid with reforestation and biodiversity protection. But at this late date there can be no guarantees.
All we know for sure is that the house is on fire.
What a Waste
Our modern industrial economy traces a straight line from resource extraction to manufacturing to sales to waste disposal. Since Earth has finite resources and limited ability to absorb pollution, the straight-line economy is unsustainable; it is designed for eventual failure.
Why not make the economy circular, with waste from one process feeding into other production processes, thus dramatically reducing the need both for resource extraction and for the dumping of rubbish? We should mimic nature: it’s a central ideal of the ecology movement, with roots in indigenous wisdom worldwide. Doing so requires that we reduce, reuse, repair, and recycle—and replace nonrenewable resources with renewables wherever possible.
The circular economy is needed now more than ever. America alone currently produces almost 235 million tonnes of waste per year from homes and businesses, which works out to almost 4 kilograms per person per day. But that’s only 3 percent of all the solid waste in the US economy; the other 97 percent is generated by agricultural and industrial (e.g., mining and manufacturing) processes. If the total US waste stream (including wastewater) is allotted on a per capita basis, each American is responsible for 1.8 million kilograms of waste per year.
Only about a third of waste from homes and businesses is recycled; the rate for industrial waste is much lower, with only 2 percent of the total waste stream currently being recycled. Meanwhile, the 2,000 active landfills in the US that hold the bulk of household trash are reaching their capacity. The US is among the highest waste-producing nations of the world on a per-capita basis, and the federal government has no strategy for dealing with the problem.
Americans should recycle more. Doing so would reduce pollution, slow climate change, and mitigate resource depletion and habitat destruction from mining and logging. But, sadly, the recycling industry faces problems. Prices for scrap metals and paper have declined in recent years (though Trump’s trade war has helped domestic scrap metal prices recover somewhat), and China is no longer interested in accepting metal and plastic waste from the US.
The bigger, systemic challenge is that collecting waste in tiny, mixed amounts; transporting it to a handling facility; sorting it; cleaning it; repackaging it; and then transporting it again almost always costs more and requires more energy than just discarding the stuff into a local landfill.
Waste is what economists call an externality: it’s never an intended, and often not a priced component of the production process, though it does inevitably impose costs—which are often borne by society as a whole. Manufacturers’ mandate is to produce more, and this translates to the strategy of planned obsolescence—making products that are meant to be replaced quickly rather than being endlessly reused and repaired.
What’s needed to circularize the economy? Two things.
First, an overall systemic commitment to the project. That means buy-in from industry, government, and citizens. Make things in such a way that recycling is easier. Focus on extending producer responsibility. Automobile manufacturers, for example, already use a wide range of recycled materials in their products, and like to take credit for doing so. But making the auto industry truly circular will require participation throughout the entire supply chain, support from government via incentives and regulation, and consumer education. Other industries, such as consumer electronics, lag far behind the auto makers, so there is truly an enormous task ahead.
But the other thing we need to do will be an even bigger challenge: we need to ditch the growth imperative. As long as profit maximization and overall growth are the implicit goals of the economy, recycling will remain a boutique industry driven largely by relatively rich people who can afford to assuage their ecological consciences.
If we are to have a truly ecological materials flow, we must start with Natural Step principles. No using renewable resources at faster than replenishment. No drawing down nonrenewable resources. No polluting ecosystems with products or byproducts of industrial processes.
A truly circular economy will be one in which all industrial processes are harmless to people and nature. That means that all “growth” will have to occur in the cultural sphere rather than in flows of materials and energy. We must focus on human happiness rather than GDP; on rates of participation in education and the arts rather than quarterly sales figures.
Currently, we are far from having a circular economy, and that gap is embodied in overflowing landfills and giant barges of trash with nowhere to go—as well as a plastic gyre the size of Texas in the Pacific Ocean. Will the monuments to our civilization consist of mountains of refuse? We can certainly do far better, but that will require us to make a systemic commitment to building a circular, steady-state economy whose aim is beauty and happiness rather than growth for growth’s sake.
172 Comments on "Richard Heinberg: The House is on Fire"
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Mar 2019 11:58 pm
“SPLC Implodes: President And Legal Director Resign Amid Sexual Misconduct Scandal”
https://tinyurl.com/y2zmknvt zero hedge
A race of Harvey Weinsteins.
https://images.app.goo.gl/ouX8FLw78wVmkz4WA
Mobster also always gloats about how he intends to rape shiksas. I think his club is in for the usual rough ride. America is just another name for rough organized violence.
And then there is Eurasia.
Cloggie on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:17 am
Perhaps civil war will happen in Britain, before the big one starts in North-America:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6843159/Theresa-told-ministers-plot-install-Michael-Gove-No-10-save-Brexit.html
“Cabinet coup: Theresa May is told she must go as ministers plot to install Michael Gove in No 10 to save Brexit”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6843465/PETER-HITCHENS-fear-British-Trump-wholl-crush-civilisation.html
“PETER HITCHENS: ‘I fear a British Trump who’ll crush our civilisation’”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6843469/Five-British-Special-Forces-troops-wounded-Yemen-advising-Saudi-Arabia-campaign.html
“Our secret dirty war: Five British Special Forces troops are wounded in Yemen while ‘advising’ Saudi Arabia on their deadly campaign that has brought death and famine to millions”
The last spasm of “Global Britain”.
EU-insiders call Britain a “failed state”:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/brexit-eu-takes-back-control-brussels-corridor-viral-photo
One can only worry about the future of Anglo-Zionism. Some day they could simply cease to exist. Evaporated. Poof.
a well known JuanP sock on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 4:20 am
boney joe on Sat, 23rd Mar 2019 7:46 pm
Washington Examiner Moser……
well known right wing rag. so what.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 4:22 am
“We Eurasians”
Please spare me your BS. You are not a unified group whatsoever.
Bad Behavior on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 4:28 am
“Clogg your white advocacy is ineffective and boring. MOB wins hands down. Just because your unit is tiny doesn’t mean grudge is good, it’s bad because it’s stressful. https://i.redd.it/35han19rwxn21.jpg”
“Mob/apneaman now hijackes mak’s nick to rub in the death of the white race, as promoted by his tribe:”
You see what dumbass lying JuanP has done to the forum and now you complain about this dirty activity. Normally you are happy he is harassing me because it means less neutering. The same is true with dumbass makato. How do you know it was MOB? Stupid juanP likes to create red flags so people think something else. It sounds like MOB’s dirty work but could also be lying JuanO.
makati1 on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:02 am
You sources are pathetic..Why don’t you try to get a girlfriend and stop being a paranoid buffoon..
Lying JuanPee on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:22 am
lying JuanPee, I am going to post some articles on Zero Hedge, so you can post some too, fuck nut
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:23 am
“With RussiaGate Over Where’s Hillary?”
https://tinyurl.com/y5ojzas9 Authored by Tom Luongo via ZH
“Anyone with three working brain cells knew this, including ‘Miss’ Maddow, whose tears of disappointment are particularly delicious. Robert Mueller’s investigation was designed from the beginning to create something out of nothing. It did this admirably. It was so effective it paralyzed the country for more than two years, just like Europe has been held hostage by Brexit.
“Hillary’s failure was enormous. And the RussiaGate gambit to destroy Trump served a laundry list of purposes to cover it: Undermine his legitimacy before he even takes office. Accuse him of what Hillary actually did: collude with Russians and Ukrainians to effect the outcome of the election Paralyze Trump on his foreign policy desires to scale back the Empire Give aid and comfort to hurting progressives and radicalize them further undermining our political system Polarize the electorate over the false choice of Trump’s guilt. Paralyze the Dept. of Justice and Congress so that they would not uncover the massive corruption in the intelligence agencies in the U.S. and the U.K. Isolate Trump and take away every ally or potential ally he could have by turning them against him through prosecutor overreach. Hillary should have been thrown to the wolves after she failed. When you fail the people she failed and cost them the money she cost them, you lose more than just your funding. What this tells you is that Hillary has so much dirt on everyone involved, once this thing started everyone went along with it lest she burn them down as well.”
“And now his report is in. There are no new indictments. And by doing so he is saving his reputation for the future. And that is your biggest tell that Hillary’s blackmail is now worthless. They don’t fear her anymore because RussiaGate outed her as the architect. Anything else she has is irrelevant in the face of trying to oust a sitting president from power. The progressives that were convinced of Trump’s treason are bereft; their false hope stripped away like standing in front of a sandblaster. They will be raw, angry and looking for blood after they get over their denial. Everyone else who was blackmailed into going along with this lunacy will begin cutting deals to save their skins. The outrage over this will not end. Trump will be President when he stands for re-election.”
“The Democrats do not have a chance against him as of right now. When he was caving on everything back in December it looked like he was done. That there was enough meat on the RussiaGate bones to make Nancy Pelosi brave. Then she backed off on impeachment talk. Oops. But the Democrats have a sincere problem. Their candidates have no solutions other than to embrace the crazy and go full Bolshevik. That is not a winning position. Trump will kill them on ‘socialism.”
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:27 am
“Mongolia: A toxic warning to the world”
https://tinyurl.com/yxwff7hr BBC
“All over the world cities are grappling with apocalyptic air pollution but the small capital of Mongolia is suffering from some of the worst in the world. And the problem is intrinsically linked to climate change. The country has already warmed by 2.2 degrees, forcing thousands of people to abandon the countryside and the traditional herding lifestyle every year for the smog-choked city where 90% of children are breathing toxic air every day.”
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:33 am
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets her first TIME Magazine cover
https://www.axios.com/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-time-magazine-cover-8a7551a2-d69d-4272-8592-813cd7a7cc10.html?fbclid=IwAR2z-axJf8asnOE904tSPhJNjT8miznXpeDdWuwd8PtKUPxum6B3ytZW8TQ
Cloggie on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:37 am
“We Eurasians”
Please spare me your BS. You are not a unified group whatsoever.
Neither were officially Americans, Soviets and war party Britain (Churchill, Cooper, Vansittard). They were nevertheless as of 1933-1934 on the same page that continental Europe could and therefore needed to be destroyed.
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/churchill-stalin-alliance-as-of-1934/
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/bullitt-reveals-in-april-1939-that-war-has-been-decided-upon/
Now comes pay-day. The American empire will be overthrown… because it can be overthrown. You can rest assured that the EU, China and Russia have had their backroom talks, discussing the geopolitical situation.
– Trump presidency (victory closet white nationalism)
– Brexit, breaking the link US-EU
– Chinese: “Americans can take no casualties”
– Chinese build-up in South-China Sea
– Repeated Russian signals it wants to be part of Europe
– New Silk Road project, clearly directed against Anglo naval supremacy
– Australian politician Malcolm Fraser warning against Chinese take-over of Australia
– All MSM in the US referring to CW2
– Meteoric rise of populism in continental Europe
– Russia defeating the US in Syria
– EU remarks that “America is losing global leadership and that Europe can replace it”
– Brexit turning into a farce.
How much more signs do you need that the world is on the verge of a major geopolitical transformation… at the cost of the Five Eyes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:43 am
“Reshaping Africa’s Rural Food Systems & Cutting Food Losses”
https://tinyurl.com/yyome25d clean technical
“Like most farmers in this lush-green agricultural region, Wanjira sells her crops through local brokers, who buy directly from farmers and then transport the goods to major markets in Nairobi and outside the country. Brokers are widely disliked by growers, farmers says, because they are unreliable and pay a pittance for their crops. However, farmers have little choice but to sell to them: Lacking refrigeration to keep their perishable crops fresh, they sell to brokers or don’t sell at all.”
“Wanjira’s experience is too often the norm for millions of small rural farmers across Kenya and the rest of Africa. Nearly a third of the food farmers grow in sub-Saharan Africa is lost due to lack of refrigeration, poor market access and other related factors. Annual food losses for fruits and vegetables are an estimated 40 to 50%.”
“These losses have devastating ripples through rural communities. In addition to causing low farmer incomes, it is a major reason why hunger, malnourishment and broader economic poverty are endemic in rural Africa. Sub-Saharan Africa has the largest concentration of poor people in the world, most of them agriculture-dependent populations living in rural areas. According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, 95% of agricultural research investments in sub-Saharan Africa over the last 30 years have been directed to increasing productivity, with only five percent aimed at reducing food losses.”
“It is a two-step effort. The first step is helping rural farmers gain access to cooling technologies — many running on solar power. The second is helping farmers use scale — by pooling and cooling their crops — to gain critical leverage in deciding when and to whom they sell their goods.”
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:49 am
“Now comes pay-day. The American empire will be overthrown…”
Spare me your drama BS fantasy. The American Empire is in decline and has been for years now but so is Europe. Europe is Balkanizing and economically the worst of the 3 power blocks. China and Russia are no way in a position to take the US down. If this where the case they would have pounced already. China and Russia are both corrupt and power hungry too. China is in serious economic difficulty and its BRI a shame. The BRI will be a fiasco with a global recession. China has a huge hair cut ahead. Russia is impressive but still too small to take on the world. Putin is a Don and Russia is a mafia country. If Putin goes so does Russia’s advantage. Cloggo, you are rabid. You 20/7 ranting is a very poor reflection on good Europeans IOW you are a disgrace.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:55 am
“Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets her first TIME Magazine cover”
Time mag is a has-been and now a liberal rag mag. AOC is destroying the core of the Dem party and somebody better clip her wings if the Dems want a chance in 2020.
Cloggie on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:55 am
China and Russia are no way in a position to take the US down.
They can’t indeed… unless you factor in US white nationalism and subsequent CW2.
And CW2 can be triggered by a major confrontation in the South China Sea and over Taiwan.
Besides, I wasn’t talking about “taking the US down”, but “taking down the empire”.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 5:58 am
“They can’t indeed… unless you factor in US white nationalism and subsequent CW2.”
LOL, you are so hopeful on nothing cloggo. I expected you to say something hypersonic but your traditional race baiting is the other fantasy.
“And CW2 can be triggered by a major confrontation in the South China Sea and over Taiwan.”
CW2 is in Europa while you fiddle your PBM fantasy
“Besides, I wasn’t talking about “taking the US down”, but “taking down the empire”.”
You don’t k now what you are talking about anymore. You shift around depending on the news. What a lunatic
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:05 am
“US Completely Invalidates All Of Its Own Arguments About Crimea”
https://tinyurl.com/y3tdrf2o caity johnstone
“In an excellent article for Strategic Culture titled “US Duplicity over Golan Demolishes Posturing on Crimea” written prior to Trump’s statement, journalist Finian Cunningham breaks down the differences and similarities between Washington’s position on Crimea versus the Golan Heights, and explains how its current push to validate Israel’s annexation completely invalidates its own arguments about Crimea.”
JuanPee where are you??? on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:05 am
where the hell is lying juanPee?
Cloggie on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:12 am
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47648086
“Dutch populist vote surge costs PM Rutte senate majority”
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article190611617/Provinzwahl-in-den-Niederlanden-Rechtspopulist-Thierry-Baudet-ist-grosser-Gewinner.html
“The new one on the right has defeated them all”
https://www.bndestem.nl/politiek/forum-ook-winnaar-voor-tweede-kamer~a3c98c96/
“Baudet would win parliamentary elections as well”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/21/anti-immigration-fvd-party-wins-most-votes-netherlands-election
“Anti-immigration populists surge in fragmented Dutch elections”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-6834605/New-populist-star-emerges-Dutch-local-elections.html
“New populist star emerges from Dutch local elections”
(Tellingly no reader comments allowed)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/new-populist-star-emerges-from-dutch-local-elections/2019/03/21/8532200e-4bd4-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html
“New populist star emerges from Dutch local elections”
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:30 am
Holland is a postage stamp size country with the population comparable to NYC metro region. Big deal cloggo. I am glad you are feeling better you Boreals are not getting blown away. You are such a racist freak. Do you really think liberal minded Euro’s are going all in on right wing extremism??? You have gone full fruit.
makati1 on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:41 am
Amazing! It appears that I can post on here even when the electric is off. (5:02AM) Since I only have a desk PC, that is impossible. LOL
makati1 on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:46 am
I see Delusional Davy has nothing to do these days but post bullshit on here, trying to defend his dying country, as usual.
He cannot help himself. The conditioning is to ingrained. Pavlov’s dog has more freedom. LOL
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:46 am
makato, that was not me but not that it matters what is funny is you are admitting to a typical 3rd world issue of an unstable grid. LMFAO. That is contrary to your daily glowing praise of the place and constant put downs of the US.
Go to bed lying juanPee is not here to protect you.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:51 am
“I see Delusional Davy has nothing to do these days but post bullshit on here:”
It is dark and raining out dumbass. I am lifting weights and will soon eat breakfast. I need to change oil in the tractor this morning. What is your plan? Jerk off to some gay porn?
“trying to defend his dying country, as usual.”
Where?
“Pavlov’s dog has more freedom. LOL”
Talk about a dog, you got a bone and won’t let that go. Try being a little more creative stupid you have only said that 50 times this month.
makati1 on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 6:58 am
Davy, I guess your electric never goes off? I know better.
https://poweroutage.report/missouri
https://mogreenstats.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/list-of-mo-outages2.jpeg
It happened to be a “scheduled” shutdown to make upgrades. Something the US does not do until it is too late.
makati1 on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 7:04 am
Davy, get some help. If you need to bully people you don’t even know, you are a danger to society. You are so conditioned, you don’t even see your own hypocrisy in your above reply. “Talk about a dog, you got a bone and won’t let that go.”
Defending the indefensible is a form of insanity, Davy. The US is indefensible. It is the world’s number one terrorist organization and you support it. You deserve what is coming Davy. 100%!
Maybe you will realize the truth in my Pavlov statement in my 51st mention of it? LMAO
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 7:06 am
da da dumbass, I never said it didn’t. You are the one constantly telling me it does. Nothing serious around here since last year we had a mini tornado pass through.
“It happened to be a “scheduled” shutdown to make upgrades. Something the US does not do until it is too late.”
LOL, got a reference? I guarantee my local grid is better than yours, fruit loops. Go to bed old man you need your rest so you can rant in the morning.
Where the hell is your protection lying junaPee????
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 7:30 am
“Davy, get some help. If you need to bully people you don’t even know, you are a danger to society. You are so conditioned, you don’t even see your own hypocrisy in your above reply.”
Shut up stupid, you attach me daily and in a group along with your dirty friend JuanPee ruining this forum with your approval IMA. You are as disgusting as them come makato. You are a full-blown hypocrite full of hate and resentment attacking and putting down the world and talking up yourself like you are on a pedestal.
“Defending the indefensible is a form of insanity, Davy. The US is indefensible. It is the world’s number one terrorist organization and you support it. You deserve what is coming Davy. 100%!”
Again shut up I talk about all countries problems. If I avoid specializing in US problems that is because you dump the shit here along with your other fucknut anti-American extremist freak cloggo. I talk about the world in a way that reflects the whole place going down together. Somebody will go first but the others will not be far behind. But who knows for sure that is my opinion unlike your extremist biased agenda of American hate and resentment. You are a huge liar makato.
“Maybe you will realize the truth in my Pavlov statement in my 51st mention of it? LMAO”
Aren’t you so funny you stupid senile old man.
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 8:45 am
Davy has turned into a salt mine..
AOC is ruining the party because she wont take money from lobbyist..
Learn to think for yourself instead of being puppet to far right propaganda..
Time to put you in a home you ignorant jesus freak
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 8:52 am
CLogg
The more the far right anti immigrant wins..The worse your economy and living standards are..
Your countries GDP peaked 40 years ago..
And you have had two recessions in the last 9 years and are going to be out of natural gas soon..Your largest industry and export..
Good luck low IQ populist..LOL
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 8:57 am
Existing oil reserves are scheduled to begin a catastrophic crash within 1 to 3 years. When it hits the economic and social damage will be catastrophic. The end of Western Civilization, from China to Europe, to the US, will not occur when oil runs out. The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced sufficiently..
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1708.03150.pdf
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/has-peak-oil-already-happened/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421509001281
https://www.scribd.com/document/375110698/The-end-of-Peak-Oil-Why-this-topic-is-still-relevant-despite-recent-denials-Chapman-2014
https://www.scribd.com/document/375110317/Projection-of-World-Fossil-Fuels-by-Country-Mohr-2015
http://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/03/23/is-the-world-sleepwalking-into-an-oil-crisis/#509edc8b44cf
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 9:06 am
“Davy has turned into a salt mine..”
“AOC is ruining the party because she wont take money from lobbyist..”
LMFAO at the naivete of the sniveling stupid kid. AOC and her right hand man (bed warmer?) are just stealing the money. I expect in the years ahead if she does not dig her own grave she will be shown to be one of the biggest thieves among the new generations of extremist liberals. Her only concern is power that is it. She could give a shit about anybody but herself. Just look in the mirror MOB. You are as narcissistic as they come. A complete waste of oxygen. Too bad your moma didn’t terminate you she would have done a good deed for the world.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 10:32 am
Humper pumper number 9.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 11:00 am
Oops, sorry for losing my shit again everyone.
Lying JuanPee is finally up on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:37 pm
Lying juanPee posted these:
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 10:32 am
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 11:00 am
where have you been lying juanPee? BTW what does humper pumper number 9 mean? Is that a Miami beach gay thing? Where you out late last night drinking and druging with Boney Joe? Fuck nut, I kicked you ass all morning and your dumbass fruitcake friends.
More Davy Nuttery and Delusions on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 1:09 pm
Lying Davy is finally up on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:37 pm
Lying JuanPee is Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 1:25 pm
Lying JuanPee is finally up on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:37 pm
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 2:30 pm
Davy
You sound like a paranoid loon..you are like clogg using magical thinking..
Your scaremongering won’t work on me you uneducated that.
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 2:33 pm
Davy
AOC is college educated..Unlike you are who has no education..That is why nobody listens to you..
Now go bend over for daddy..
I got what I got the hard way.. Unlike you..You aren’t self made
Lying JuanO the dipshit on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 2:59 pm
More Davy Nuttery and Delusions on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 1:09 pm
Lying Davy is finally up on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:37 pm
Lying JuanPee is Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 1:25 pm
Lying JuanPee is finally up on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 12:37 pm
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:01 pm
“Davy AOC is college educated..Unlike you are who has no education..That is why nobody listens to you..”
One thing’s for sure MOB, you are a lying sack of shit if you think we are going to believe you are a chemistry PHD. I have a degree and you don’t. AOC has a degree in twat science.
JuanP on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:05 pm
I got a vasectomy and that makes me more special than any of you. I am an illegal alien with a C+ GED so be warned. I weed gardens with a blow torch and play on the beach with boney joe my imaginary gay lover.
JuanP on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:09 pm
My hero. I love this guy.
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/D2YAAZoW0AAYIBq.jpg?itok=5xZyJS41
Mitch on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:10 pm
You are one sick dude JuanP
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:30 pm
Davy
Do you want me to upload a picture of my degree? I easily can..
You are an uneducated simpleton who reads propaganda because you have never been educated..
You jesus freaks and god believers are all the same..Fucking morons..You have turned this country into an idocrocy..
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:31 pm
Anti-fascist demonstration in Italy today
https://i.redd.it/z7xvpvoxwxn21.jpg
Cloggie on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:53 pm
That must be at least 100 folks, mobster. I’m impressed. The communist revolution is about to begin in Italy, so much is certain.
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 3:56 pm
Davy
Don’t you ever get tired of being the wealthy elites useful idiot?
I understand though, you both got to where you are thanks to your parents, not your hard work and effort..
When the collapse hits you will fold like a paper bag..
LOl
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 4:13 pm
“Davy Do you want me to upload a picture of my degree? I easily can..”
Da Da dumbass, sure…like that proves anything. LOL This is the internet on an unmoderated forum….like your stupid offer matters. Makato is right about something you are a snowflake.
Davy on Sun, 24th Mar 2019 4:14 pm
“Don’t you ever get tired of being the wealthy elites useful idiot?”
Don’t you get tired of being an idiot? or maybe you don’t even know you are one.