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Avoiding self-inflicted extinction. What are the solutions?
Humankind has the unenviable duty to address the looming threats of runaway climate change and environmental collapse. At risk are Earth’s millions of species and our human civilisation, all of which could face severe hardship or even extinction by the end of this century.
It seems like an impossibility: to meaningfully reduce our impact while thriving on fossil-fuelled technology and unrestricted population growth. But, there are solutions that could not only slow the rate of climate change and ecological decline, but also reverse them to pre-industrial norms.
Many will regard the solutions that follow as crazy, but keep in mind they’re an order of magnitude less crazy than the sacrifices people will be forced to make if our planet’s biosphere fails.
Atmospheric restoration
The single greatest threat facing Earth right now, is climate change caused by human-related carbon emissions. Since the year 1850, carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration levels in our atmosphere have soared from 280 parts per million (ppm) to a record 410 ppm, mostly due to the industrial revolution and mankind’s immoderate population growth.
The major sources of CO2 include slash-and-burn activities across the world’s forested areas, the global fleet of coal-fired power stations and all fossil fuelled transport including cars, trains, ships and aeroplanes.
Hence the “fossil fuel convenience” versus “environmental sustainability” impasse we find ourselves at today.
But, if we’re serious about dealing with climate change, then we should aim to eliminate all human-related CO2 emissions by 2050 – as a minimum. To achieve this, all of the CO2 sources listed above would need to be phased out to the point of zero over the next three decades.
As a start, a global moratorium should be instituted by the United Nations (UN) prohibiting all slash-and-burn activities with immediate affect, prohibiting the construction of coal-fired power stations after the year 2020, and prohibiting the manufacturing of fossil-fuelled transportation after 2030.
Right now, society would baulk at this suggestion – particularly those in the Trump administration – but the scary reality is, society doesn’t have a choice. We either reduce our dependency on fossil fuels or suffer the incomprehensible consequences of runaway climate change.
Revival of ‘redundant’ technologies
For thousands of years leading up to the industrial revolution, human civilisation prospered with a per-capita carbon footprint that was a fraction of what it is today.
The main reason is that, in the absence of fossil-fuelled technology (besides fire used for heating and cooking), engineers and inventors had to use freely available energy sources for power generation and transportation. For example, many industries were powered by animals, water wheels and windmills. Sunlight and insulation helped keep houses warm in cold regions. Transportation on land was achieved mostly by walking, horseback, horse-drawn carriage and primitive bicycles; on water by human-powered boats and wind-powered sail ships; and, for those who dared take to the air, the air balloon.
Granted, these technologies were still in their infancy when they were replaced with fossil fuelled alternatives, but fortunately, their development continued to the point where their next-generation equivalents are leagues ahead in terms of efficiency and practicality.
In fact, modern hydro-electric power, wind turbines, solar energy, bicycles, e-bikes, electric vehicles, sail powered cargo vessels, and airships similar in design to the Zeppelin should be viewed as cornerstone technologies that will not only restore our planet’s atmosphere to pre-industrial health, but will also adequately satisfy our civilisation’s needs.
We should also consider how quickly these clean technologies will evolve if all the world’s fossil-fuel technological research and development resources are diverted to these clean alternatives.
Environmental restoration
The second greatest threat facing humanity is ecological decline. The primary causes of this include: widespread land appropriation for exclusive human use; habitat transformation, pollution and destruction; large-scale eco-system interference; decimation of coexisting species’ populations; warming oceans; and intensifying climate change.
As daunting as these problems are, they should not be regarded as insurmountable.
For us to slow down and do a U-turn on the autobahn of ecological decline, we must acknowledge that our survival is wholly reliant on our planet’s life-sustaining ecological equilibrium, and recognise that if action is delayed, this decline will accelerate to a point of irretrievable collapse.
Protection and expansion of natural habitat
For us to do this, we must place the needs of our surrounding ecosystems above our own. For starters, the world should declare a moratorium on the appropriation of all unprotected natural habitat still in existence today.
This would include the rapid phasing out of development, mining, deforestation or any other exploitation of pristine natural habitat.
Governments should then embark on a phased “protected area expansion” initiative with the primary objectives being to increase the range of natural habitat and to link isolated habitats together via an intricate network of conservation corridors.
This restoration of habitat range would reinstate traditional migration routes used by countless insect, bird, animal and other species. This, in turn, would reverse the precarious phenomenon of crashing biodiversity that’s followed in the wake of mankind’s burgeoning footprint.
An astonishing article published by The Guardian on May 31, 2018 states that, “Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth” and that the “Biggest analysis to date reveals huge footprint of livestock – it provides just 18% of calories but takes up 83% of farmland”.
If the trend towards veganism takes the world by storm – or by legislation – then vast tracts of pastureland and livestock-feed cropland could be acquired and returned to natural habitat.
Human moderation
The only subject that’s more contentious than human overpopulation, is human population control.
There are many people, including David Attenborough, who believe that overpopulation is the root cause of climate change and environmental decline. Attenborough himself has been outspoken about the need for humanity to control its population growth, but his calls have been met with fierce criticism.
What we all need to understand, however, is that as the human population continues to grow, so too does the likelihood of a sharp correction in the near future. Thus, the choice is ours whether that correction occurs within our control via a population control policy, or outside of our control via environmental collapse and mass starvation.
Global one-child policy
A thought-provoking white-paper published in 2013 investigated how the human population would be impacted if a global one-child policy was implemented in 2013 when the world population hit 7,2 billion. The graph below shows the outcome of their investigation with ‘N‘ being human population:
Immediately apparent is that the world population would still plateau at almost 9 billion in the year 2045, and then only be halved by 2130.
The authors of the paper, Corey J. A. Bradshaw and Barry W. Brook, concluded that even if the world implemented a global one-child policy today, it might not be sufficient to avert catastrophic climate change. Ironically, most nations haven’t considered a population management policy of any kind, and the only nation that had a one-child policy, China, recently relaxed it to a two-child policy.
General consensus at this stage is that the only way to address population growth ethically is through education, family planning and access to contraception. In line with this, The Guardian published an interesting article last year titled, “Want to Fight climate change? Have fewer children“.
The article contained the following infographic which shows how much carbon can be saved through a range of different actions (shown in yellow), compared to having one less child (shown in orange):
The sad truth is, our unchecked population growth will continue to amplify our negative impact on the climate and environment – something all life on this planet can ill-afford. Thus, the time has come for us to start talking openly about other ethical ways to moderate population growth.
As Attenborough so eloquently put it in a speech back in 2011: “The sooner we stabilise our numbers, the sooner we stop running up the ‘down’ escalator. Stop population increase – stop the escalator – and we have some chance of reaching the top – that is to say a decent life for all.”
Humanity must ‘reset’ lifestyle expectations
The fossil-fuelled, car-centric, land hungry, meat intensive, large family way of life that humanity has become so accustomed to up until now, is not necessarily achievable in a world where lifestyle moderation and sustainability takes precedence.
Unfortunately having a population of almost 8 billion necessitates compromise. Therefore, we must all be prepared to accept a fair degree of lifestyle moderation, including global shifts toward:
- remote renewable energy sources like solar and wind power, instead of grid-supplied fossil-fuelled power;
- electric bicycles instead of motorcycles;
- light electric mini-buses (like those used in Zermatt, Switzerland) instead of heavy cars;
- slow Zeppelin-style airships instead of fast fuel-devouring airliners;
- non-fossil fuel dependent sports and recreational activities;
- less travel and a migration trend where families and friends live closer together;
- vegan-style foods and steady phasing out of meat products;
- incentivised urbanisation to free up rural land for protected land expansion;
- phasing out of all non-recyclable and single-use plastics, with comprehensive rollout of biodegradable packaging; and
- having smaller families with only one or maximum two children.
As inconveniencing as it might be for people to adopt these “testing” lifestyle changes, they should be reminded that they’re a whole lot less inconveniencing than environmental catastrophe. In other words: these solutions are the easy way out…
Solutions vital to our survival
If every one of us embraces restoration and moderation as the core principles of our human civilisation, then there’s a good chance we’ll be able to pull our planet back from the brink and safeguard the future survival of all life on Earth.
We would also do well to remember that we don’t own this planet, we share it.
Don’t like these solutions? Then sit back and prepare yourself for the bumpy ride to extinction…
– Robert J. Traydon is a BSc graduate of Engineering and the author of ‘Wake-up Call: 2035‘. He’s travelled to over 40 countries across six continents and worked in various business spheres. His articles explore a wide range of current affairs from a uniquely contrarian perspective.
117 Comments on "Avoiding self-inflicted extinction. What are the solutions?"
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 1:14 pm
Boat, I could give a shit how much oil the Us imports as I no longer live there. The oily stats are all propaganda bullshit anyway. The decline of the Us is visible to anyone with an open mind and oil is a small part of the reason.
Who will hurt the most when the SHTF? Someone who uses (wastes) 2+ GALLONS per day (Us) or the person who uses 2 CUPS per day (Ps)? Answer: YOU, not me.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 1:20 pm
Stupid, where did I say it belonged to you. Wow you are simple but in a slow way.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 1:23 pm
Like I said the million dollar Butthole Of Columbia boy with the doctor wife will be fresh meat. I hope a big bad American kicks your ass to within inches of life as he takes your ill gotten gains.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 1:27 pm
Weasel, so no comment on how I described you to a “T” earlier. Lol, you really are a dork. Like your dumb Canadian cousin Grehggie, when is the last time you commented something. A stalk and prick is not a
Comment.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 2:25 pm
“I hope a big bad American kicks your ass to within inches of life as he takes your ill gotten gains.”
The only big bad Americans around here are ex-pats Davy, and good personal friends.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 2:37 pm
“Stupid, where did I say it belonged to you.”
Below:
“Greggie, I don’t give a shit about your Butthole Columbia.”
‘Your’ implies ownership Davy, but I wouldn’t expect someone of your limited capacity to understand that.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 2:45 pm
Greg, Davy’s brain cells are dying off quickly. Too much Ozark moonshine? Drugs? Anyway, I have started to skip over his delusional rants for the most part.
MM is more rational. At least he has youth to blame for his fantasies. No so the Missouri goatherd.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:05 pm
Survivalism is an undiluted cocktail of solipsism and fear. Its adherents are — undoubtedly — bananas.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:05 pm
Greggie, think about when and if a collapse comes and all those millions of Americans move north. Good luck sucker. Of course you are oblivious to this danger as you relish the idea of an American collapse. I hope you get what you wish for.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:06 pm
Mak
No need for oil imports. N America is oil independent. Most of those refineries in the US that are foreign owned create tax cash and jobs. This is why a country like Venz or the Saudi no longer has any oil power here. The EU, yes they even have to kiss Irans ass.
The Imperial middle east lol. That’s the change in politics your seeing.
Your lying, cheating ass kissing leaders are puckering up to countries with resources.
Asia and the EU better build a navy quick. Those Savage Sharia law clowns will be cutting off oil once the US quits providing oil security for the world.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:07 pm
Translating 3rd world comment above: grehgiee help me I am being neutered.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:11 pm
Lol, give em hell Boat. The old man can’t stand the fact
that North America is energy independent. Ask 3rd world how Asia is doing on their energy independence if you want a laugh.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:28 pm
“Greggie, think about when and if a collapse comes and all those millions of Americans move north.”
Now why would “all of those millions of Americans move north” Davy? When the US goes down, Canada will be going down with it.
“Of course you are oblivious to this danger as you relish the idea of an American collapse. ”
More delusions.
Modern industrial society is destroying the Earth’s natural ecosystems. The longer BAU continues on, the worse the consequences will be. My only hope is for the Empire to go out with a whimper, rather than a bang. Global thermonuclear war isn’t in anyone’s best interests.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 3:31 pm
“The old man can’t stand the fact that North America is energy independent.”
For one Davy, makati1 isn’t that much older than you are. Secondly, NA has now moved on to producing the dregs, which are some of the most carbon intensive reserves left on the planet, and are unaffordable to our economies.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:06 pm
Greggiie, Canada Will go down too and this will open up even more opportunities for migration of the of the desperate. Canada’s low population densities and abundant water resources means Americans will be up there in the millions. Who is delusional?
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:08 pm
Greggie, 3rd world is 20 years older than I and when you are pushing 80 that is significant.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:15 pm
Boat, the US is not “oil independent”. Not by a long shot. You can try to bullshit but reality says different. Debt is all that keeps the pumps pumping. When cheap money ends so does the fraking industry and most of the other oil recovery in the Us.
“According to a Wall Street Journal analysis of FactSet data, the companies behind the boom have spent $265 billion more than they generated from operations since 2010. … but a key consideration is whether the sector will continue to have access to the capital it needs to achieve these lofty forecasts.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daneberhart/2018/01/26/challenges-of-funding-shale-boom-2-0/#6900190649b5
“In our view, people have been looking at this industry through the rose-colored glasses of Wall Street. And this is the inherent problem with the North American shale business,” … Chanos looked at about three dozen drillers and found that their capital spending would eat up almost all of their earnings, minus certain expenses, this year. That leaves them with little cash to service their debt.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/13/us-shale-oil-and-gas-investors-are-on-road-to-ruin-warns-jim-chanos.html
“Shale oil drillers who generally couldn’t deliver positive net income at $100/bbl oil continue drilling campaigns easily funded by debt and equity issuance. But while presentations by many of these companies show decent shale oil well rates-of-returns, or IRRs, with WTI at $50/bbl and even $40/bbl and below, these presentations typically omit such all-in costs as infrastructure build (gathering lines, water disposal, etc. etc) and, of course, the big one: interest payments on debt. … But of course the debt obligations are not going away regardless of the price of oil, and considering the WTI CME futures price is under $50/bbl out to mid-2021, some of these companies are going to struggle. If the Fed continues to raise interest rates, the struggle may become more of a strangle as these companies attempt to refinance (another word for delaying the day of reckoning)”
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4081588-shale-oil-drillers-cannibalize-debt-bombs-loom-horizon
“The U.S. Shale Oil Industry is in serious trouble as its debt spirals higher due to its massive production decline rates. While the Mainstream media continues to put out hype that the shale oil industry can produce oil at $30 or $40 a barrel, the reality shows that it’s becoming difficult just to finance its debt. … Yes, it’s true. Many of the shale oil companies are bringing on new wells just to pay the interest on their debt.”
https://srsroccoreport.com/trouble-financing-its-debt-massive-decline-rates-pushes-u-s-shale-oil-industry-closer-towards-bankruptcy/
Reality is a bitch…
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:17 pm
“Canada’s low population densities and abundant water resources means Americans will be up there in the millions.”
Canada’s water comes mainly from snow melt and glaciation. The glaciers are already retreating at an alarming rate, delusional Davy, and The Pacific Northwest just experienced the warmest, and driest month of May on record.
Seattle just recorded warmest — and one of the driest — months of May in history
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weather/a-taste-of-summer-its-been-the-warmest-may-in-seattle-history-and-maybe-the-driest-too/
Month of May warmest and driest on record in Vancouver | CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/month-of-may-warmest-and-driest-on-record-in-vancouver-1.4687401
The longer that BAU continues on, the more dire the consequences will be.
GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:23 pm
“Greggie, 3rd world is 20 years older than I and when you are pushing 80 that is significant.”
20 years isn’t a very long time Davy, and 70 something isn’t any more or less significant, if a person is in good health. Any one of us could die at any time.
You’re acting emotionally again Davy, rather than intelligently.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:24 pm
Pushing 80? I am six years from that date. Just a bit over 70, (74) not “pushing 80”. But, again, age is not a determinant of anything except the number of sunrises and sunsets I have enjoyed. About 27,000 to be exact. I fully expect another 5,000+ to equal my dad’s age or maybe more. I have no stress. Stress kills. You therefore have fewer days left than I do. LOL
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:35 pm
Davy, do you realize that when JIT deliveries end, millions of Americans will die in the first few months?
“(CDC). The report finds that as of 2015, 30.3 million Americans – 9.4 percent of the U.S. population –have diabetes.”
https://www.google.com/search?q=Number+of+diabetics+in+the+US+today%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
How many can go without insulin?
“According to the latest U.S. Renal Data System Annual Data Report, more than 660,000 Americans are being treated for kidney failure,”
Days or weeks at most without…
https://www.google.com/search?q=How+manyAmericans+are+on+dyalisys+today%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
“An estimated 15 million U.S. adults have coronary heart disease” Says it all.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/cardiovascular_diseases/cardiovascular_disease_statistics_85,P00243
And on and on for an obese, drug addicted America. Maybe 1/3 or more of the Us population will not last a year without meds.
There is more to collapse than just food, water and shelter. A lot of painful deahts in the offing if it is a quick collapse or a war.
BTW: did you know that the major ingredients for most of those meds come from….China? LMAO
Also, BTW: I do not take any meds nor need them. Sorry to disappoint you.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:36 pm
3rd world, I think i trust what Rock says over your convoluted regurgitate. It hurts so bad doesn’t it 3rd world when your illusions melt.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:38 pm
Davy, I don’t care who you pick to support your claims. Reality will prove I am correct. Be patient.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:41 pm
“Davy, do you realize that when JIT deliveries end, millions of Americans will die in the first few months?”
Duh, but it will be worse for Asia’s mega cities sorry for the inconvenient reality 3rd world.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:44 pm
read rocks comment 3rd world. If your dismiss it then you need to be dismissed. You know very little about oil anyway which has been proven out with so many of your comments that are just opportunistic anti-American agenda speak.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:14 pm
Davy
You trust rock..trust is another word for faith..which means you are believing something for no reason ie evidence…You must believe a jesus freak..They believe things for no reason as well..
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:24 pm
Davy, as if anything you say is meaningful or even true. You support your failing country because your family is deeply invested in BAU and a collapse will end your world.
However, mine will continue with few changes. That is the advantage of stepping down the ladder voluntarily, not having it pulled out from under you.
As for oil, it is all lies anyway and if you believe any of them, you are just a gullible fool. You live in the land of gullible fools, so you have a lot of company that will regret their stupidity.
Perhaps you should take a good look at this:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Liability of each taxpayer: $933,464. and growing. BTW: I pay zero Us taxes. Enjoy your “freedom”, Tax Slave.
Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:25 pm
“You trust rock..trust is another word for faith..which means you are believing something for no reason ie evidence…You must believe a jesus freak..They believe things for no reason as well..”
Rockman had a life-long, peer-reviewed career in the industry, very much unlike hollow sensationalists like yourself and your standard set of obsolete outdated links, that have no other intention than to suggest that you have a sincere interest in “peak-oil”, which is not the case. All you care about is your anti-white social revolution and a nuclear attack against Russia.
You belong to this satanic bunch, this very cornered bunch:
https://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/hating-putin-jewish-owned-media-part-2-economist/ri22818
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:29 pm
3rd world your little fantasy farm is 2 hours from one of the most populated mega urban areas in the world. You made a very poor choice for sanctuary. I imagine you made it because you are a bottom feeder who does things based on cheapest price not best value.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:30 pm
Clogg
You can’t prove Rock is an expert in anything..And you are not sophisticated enough to know true from false..You are a gullible idiot..Just another far right whack job..
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:36 pm
Mm, rock has been here a long time and has earned respect. You on the other hand have not earned anything but board clown. You try to ramrod respect by talking loud. Rock has proven his knowledge over time. His comments have proven out with verification by reality. You regurgitate endless reports you don’t even understand. This represent authenticity “rock” over crude marketing. “you”.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:43 pm
Global civilization will collapse within the next ten years according to (Meadows, 1972) (Motesharrei, 2014)
(Turchin, 2010) (Ehrlich, 2013)
(Turner, 2014) (Korowicz, 2012)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
https://www.scribd.com/document/379418787/Is-Global-Collapse-Imminent-An-Updated-Comparison-of-The-Limits-to-Growth-with-Historical-Data-Turner-2014
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:48 pm
“Duh, but it will be worse for Asia’s mega cities sorry for the inconvenient reality 3rd world.” Only in your delusional mind, Davy. Most of the drugs come from companies in Asia. They will still be available there because the collapse of the Western world will not affect Asia to the same degree. Maybe with few, if any, changes. Most of the drugs used in the Ps are made in the Ps, not imported. Not so in the Us.
“$86 billion of medicine brought in from the rest of the world in 2015 still makes the U.S. the biggest drug importer on the planet.”(~$2,600. per capita/per year.) Bloomberg
Sure, there will be deaths in Asia. The shakeout will be difficult, but Asia will endure, as it has for thousands of years. So will I.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:49 pm
Davy
Is asking Rockman for proof to much to ask for now? Sorry I just believe claims on a doomer blog for no reason..You do though, because you want to..That is why you don’t question Rockman..
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:52 pm
Geeze, you are dense old man, 3rd world your population densities and levels are going to kill you drugs or not. Get a grip.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:54 pm
Mm, he is an industry source that offers you sources constantly but you don’t like what you see so you pretend no sources were given. I follow your scuffles with rock.
Boat on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:55 pm
Mak
Read slowely. I said N America is oil independent. Not the US. The US is approximately 2.7 mbpd net an oil importer. But Canada and Mexico export to the US approximately 3.5 mbpd. Got it?
Let’s tackle oil debt. Those 2200 billionaires worth over 9 trillion along with those world-wide trust funds may have invested in the world’s largest commodity? Oil is a big boys game and even 265 billion over a period
Of time is not that big a deal considering the deep pockets of an entire world. Hell the US blows through double that every year pissing Putin off.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:56 pm
I don’t give a damn about “respect” from you Davy. Rock has not been around long enough to earn any respect from me. I do not know what he is selling or what bullshit he may be preaching. Nor do I care. Online, you can be anyone you want to be, if you can keep your story straight.
Few earn my respect and it takes long term personal contact, not internet bullshit. Few are worthy of my respect and I can name them on my one hand, outside of my family. Few of them (family) get it either.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:58 pm
Boat, same facts pertain to All of North America. The oily industry is only in existence becsaue of huge government subsidies and cheap credit. Both soon to end. .
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:09 pm
3rd world you have zero oil industry background. You are just a twisted old man that thinks he knows it all. I rarely if ever go toe to toe with inside industry info Rock is a part of and privy to. You on the other hand are not so wise. You act as though a few stupid extremist web sites makes you an oil expert. This silliness shows like when you act the military expert.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:19 pm
Clogg
Soon when society collapses! Taylor is going to open up wide for MM’s big dick!
https://imgur.com/a/tKd1Dqw
I’m gong to have more kids than Stanford!
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:45 pm
Davy, you too have zero oil industry background, so what makes you an expert? I’m as knowledgeable as you are on that subject, it seems. Maybe moee so as I have an open mind. You do not.
You also have no Asian experience, except the stuff you buy at Walmart, so what makes you an expert on Asia? Whereas, I have 10 years personal, on site, experience.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:46 pm
BTW: Putdowns are not considered debate, Davy. They are a lack of intelligence and maturity.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:59 pm
Today’s MM birthday!
This is me today!
https://imgur.com/a/7OIovAE
MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:02 pm
Economist calls Trump’s new tariffs start of a ‘psychopath’s trade war’
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/390404-famous-economist-calls-trumps-new-tariffs-start-of-a-psychopaths-trade-war
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:07 pm
“Davy, you too have zero oil industry background, so what makes you an expert?”
This is about Rock and his expertise not me, 3rd world. When you are losing the argument you always shift things around trying to extricate yourself from defeat.
“You also have no Asian experience, except the stuff you buy at Walmart, so what makes you an expert on Asia?”
3rd world you lived in Manila and visited a few airports in Asia that does not make you and expert.
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:10 pm
“BTW: Putdowns are not considered debate, Davy. They are a lack of intelligence and maturity.”
Then why do you attack and try to destroy characters, 3rd world? Why do you put down whole nations as a whole not respecting the details of that nation? Then you whine when I call you names like that is so hard on you. What a baby, grow up and quit being a hypocrite.
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:11 pm
Self inflicted extinction of the Us?
“Currently, the West does not have any missile defense systems to thwart a Russian hypersonic attack. That is why President Trump and the Pentagon are scrambling with record amounts of military spending in modernization efforts to prepare for the modern battlefield, in which, a world where Russia and China have superior weapons. Even Air Force Gen. John Hyten, commander of U.S. Strategic Command recently said the U.S. is powerless against hypersonic missile attacks from Russia…. While the Zircon hypersonic missile has already entered service, it seems like Russia is gaining an edge when it comes to hypersonic technologies versus the West.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-02/russia-build-5th-generation-nuclear-sub-hypersonic-missiles
Slip Slidin’…
Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:21 pm
More 3rd world military humor:
3rd world, the US has no defense against Russian missiles then, now and likely in the future. There are too many of them. The same is true for Russia from the US. The hypersonic missiles you crow about are untested in war. You think missiles win wars but they don’t
Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:21 pm
Putting down a nation so deserving of being put in it’s place, is not wrong, it is a civic duty.
““God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,…””
– Thomas Jefferson
Putting down an arrogant, immature bully who started it, is only fair play. You started it when your precious America was portrayed in a light you did not like. Too bad. I will continue to post what I want here until I am blocked by the owner of the site. It seems that many of my referred articles appear the next day for discussion. Or hadn’t you noticed? Not all articles here are about oil.