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Avoiding self-inflicted extinction. What are the solutions?

Humankind has the unenviable duty to address the looming threats of runaway climate change and environmental collapse. At risk are Earth’s millions of species and our human civilisation, all of which could face severe hardship or even extinction by the end of this century.

It seems like an impossibility: to meaningfully reduce our impact while thriving on fossil-fuelled technology and unrestricted population growth. But, there are solutions that could not only slow the rate of climate change and ecological decline, but also reverse them to pre-industrial norms.

Many will regard the solutions that follow as crazy, but keep in mind they’re an order of magnitude less crazy than the sacrifices people will be forced to make if our planet’s biosphere fails.

Atmospheric restoration

The single greatest threat facing Earth right now, is climate change caused by human-related carbon emissions. Since the year 1850, carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration levels in our atmosphere have soared from 280 parts per million (ppm) to a record 410 ppm, mostly due to the industrial revolution and mankind’s immoderate population growth.

The major sources of CO2 include slash-and-burn activities across the world’s forested areas, the global fleet of coal-fired power stations and all fossil fuelled transport including cars, trains, ships and aeroplanes.

Hence the “fossil fuel convenience” versus “environmental sustainability” impasse we find ourselves at today.

But, if we’re serious about dealing with climate change, then we should aim to eliminate all human-related CO2 emissions by 2050 – as a minimum. To achieve this, all of the CO2 sources listed above would need to be phased out to the point of zero over the next three decades.

As a start, a global moratorium should be instituted by the United Nations (UN) prohibiting all slash-and-burn activities with immediate affect, prohibiting the construction of coal-fired power stations after the year 2020, and prohibiting the manufacturing of fossil-fuelled transportation after 2030.

Right now, society would baulk at this suggestion – particularly those in the Trump administration – but the scary reality is, society doesn’t have a choice. We either reduce our dependency on fossil fuels or suffer the incomprehensible consequences of runaway climate change.

Revival of ‘redundant’ technologies

For thousands of years leading up to the industrial revolution, human civilisation prospered with a per-capita carbon footprint that was a fraction of what it is today.

The main reason is that, in the absence of fossil-fuelled technology (besides fire used for heating and cooking), engineers and inventors had to use freely available energy sources for power generation and transportation. For example, many industries were powered by animals, water wheels and windmills. Sunlight and insulation helped keep houses warm in cold regions. Transportation on land was achieved mostly by walking, horseback, horse-drawn carriage and primitive bicycles; on water by human-powered boats and wind-powered sail ships; and, for those who dared take to the air, the air balloon.

Granted, these technologies were still in their infancy when they were replaced with fossil fuelled alternatives, but fortunately, their development continued to the point where their next-generation equivalents are leagues ahead in terms of efficiency and practicality.

In fact, modern hydro-electric power, wind turbines, solar energy, bicycles, e-bikes, electric vehicles, sail powered cargo vessels, and airships similar in design to the Zeppelin should be viewed as cornerstone technologies that will not only restore our planet’s atmosphere to pre-industrial health, but will also adequately satisfy our civilisation’s needs.

We should also consider how quickly these clean technologies will evolve if all the world’s fossil-fuel technological research and development resources are diverted to these clean alternatives.

Environmental restoration

The second greatest threat facing humanity is ecological decline. The primary causes of this include: widespread land appropriation for exclusive human use; habitat transformation, pollution and destruction; large-scale eco-system interference; decimation of coexisting species’ populations; warming oceans; and intensifying climate change.

As daunting as these problems are, they should not be regarded as insurmountable.

For us to slow down and do a U-turn on the autobahn of ecological decline, we must acknowledge that our survival is wholly reliant on our planet’s life-sustaining ecological equilibrium, and recognise that if action is delayed, this decline will accelerate to a point of irretrievable collapse.

Protection and expansion of natural habitat

For us to do this, we must place the needs of our surrounding ecosystems above our own. For starters, the world should declare a moratorium on the appropriation of all unprotected natural habitat still in existence today.

This would include the rapid phasing out of development, mining, deforestation or any other exploitation of pristine natural habitat.

Governments should then embark on a phased “protected area expansion” initiative with the primary objectives being to increase the range of natural habitat and to link isolated habitats together via an intricate network of conservation corridors.

This restoration of habitat range would reinstate traditional migration routes used by countless insect, bird, animal and other species. This, in turn, would reverse the precarious phenomenon of crashing biodiversity that’s followed in the wake of mankind’s burgeoning footprint.

An astonishing article published by The Guardian on May 31, 2018 states that, “Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth” and that the “Biggest analysis to date reveals huge footprint of livestock – it provides just 18% of calories but takes up 83% of farmland”.

If the trend towards veganism takes the world by storm – or by legislation – then vast tracts of pastureland and livestock-feed cropland could be acquired and returned to natural habitat.

Human moderation

The only subject that’s more contentious than human overpopulation, is human population control.

There are many people, including David Attenborough, who believe that overpopulation is the root cause of climate change and environmental decline. Attenborough himself has been outspoken about the need for humanity to control its population growth, but his calls have been met with fierce criticism.

What we all need to understand, however, is that as the human population continues to grow, so too does the likelihood of a sharp correction in the near future. Thus, the choice is ours whether that correction occurs within our control via a population control policy, or outside of our control via environmental collapse and mass starvation.

Global one-child policy

A thought-provoking white-paper published in 2013 investigated how the human population would be impacted if a global one-child policy was implemented in 2013 when the world population hit 7,2 billion. The graph below shows the outcome of their investigation with ‘N‘ being human population:

Immediately apparent is that the world population would still plateau at almost 9 billion in the year 2045, and then only be halved by 2130.

The authors of the paper, Corey J. A. Bradshaw and Barry W. Brook, concluded that even if the world implemented a global one-child policy today, it might not be sufficient to avert catastrophic climate change. Ironically, most nations haven’t considered a population management policy of any kind, and the only nation that had a one-child policy, China, recently relaxed it to a two-child policy.

General consensus at this stage is that the only way to address population growth ethically is through education, family planning and access to contraception. In line with this, The Guardian published an interesting article last year titled, “Want to Fight climate change? Have fewer children“.

The article contained the following infographic which shows how much carbon can be saved through a range of different actions (shown in yellow), compared to having one less child (shown in orange):

The sad truth is, our unchecked population growth will continue to amplify our negative impact on the climate and environment – something all life on this planet can ill-afford. Thus, the time has come for us to start talking openly about other ethical ways to moderate population growth.

As Attenborough so eloquently put it in a speech back in 2011: “The sooner we stabilise our numbers, the sooner we stop running up the ‘down’ escalator. Stop population increase – stop the escalator – and we have some chance of reaching the top – that is to say a decent life for all.”

Humanity must ‘reset’ lifestyle expectations

The fossil-fuelled, car-centric, land hungry, meat intensive, large family way of life that humanity has become so accustomed to up until now, is not necessarily achievable in a world where lifestyle moderation and sustainability takes precedence.

Unfortunately having a population of almost 8 billion necessitates compromise. Therefore, we must all be prepared to accept a fair degree of lifestyle moderation, including global shifts toward:

remote renewable energy sources like solar and wind power, instead of grid-supplied fossil-fuelled power;
electric bicycles instead of motorcycles;
light electric mini-buses (like those used in Zermatt, Switzerland) instead of heavy cars;
slow Zeppelin-style airships instead of fast fuel-devouring airliners;
non-fossil fuel dependent sports and recreational activities;
less travel and a migration trend where families and friends live closer together;
vegan-style foods and steady phasing out of meat products;
incentivised urbanisation to free up rural land for protected land expansion;
phasing out of all non-recyclable and single-use plastics, with comprehensive rollout of biodegradable packaging; and
having smaller families with only one or maximum two children.

As inconveniencing as it might be for people to adopt these “testing” lifestyle changes, they should be reminded that they’re a whole lot less inconveniencing than environmental catastrophe. In other words: these solutions are the easy way out…

Solutions vital to our survival

If every one of us embraces restoration and moderation as the core principles of our human civilisation, then there’s a good chance we’ll be able to pull our planet back from the brink and safeguard the future survival of all life on Earth.

We would also do well to remember that we don’t own this planet, we share it.

Don’t like these solutions? Then sit back and prepare yourself for the bumpy ride to extinction…

– Robert J. Traydon is a BSc graduate of Engineering and the author of ‘Wake-up Call: 2035‘. He’s travelled to over 40 countries across six continents and worked in various business spheres. His articles explore a wide range of current affairs from a uniquely contrarian perspective.

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117 Comments on "Avoiding self-inflicted extinction. What are the solutions?"

DMyers on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 6:59 pm

The problem is, a population stalemate or reduction brings on the same doom as the increase does. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t on this.

Case in point, China, which recently saw the down side of population restriction and abolished its one child policy. The system goes rough and starts coughing without growing masses, as that growth is germane to modern civilization. Systemic breakdown leads to violence and starvation.

Is no growth the answer, if it brings a fate no more desirable than growth? I’m just saying, shouldn’t this be part of the analysis?

Ghung on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 7:23 pm

Humanity’s meme has been based on growth since there’ve been humans. Good luck changing that……

…… and there is no “we” when it comes to a collective response. Never has been. Sorry, Sir David.

JuanP on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 7:34 pm

“But, there are solutions that could not only slow the rate of climate change and ecological decline, but also reverse them to pre-industrial norms.” No, there aren’t!

MASTERMIND on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 7:35 pm

There are no solutions..We have blown past the point of no return about fifty years ago..

MASTERMIND on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 7:44 pm

Bombshell report reveals Trump could be indicted under seal without his knowledge

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/bombshell-report-reveals-trump-indicted-seal-without-knowledge/#.WxGb5YT5qm4.twitter

I cant wait till they haul the great orange haired meat puppet to jail..the globalist will make an example out of him..

Theedrich on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 7:57 pm

It’s Earth vs. Sörös + PC. And the winner is … Sörös! His “Open Society,” backed by billions in bribe money given to corrupt politicians (Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, U.S. senators, etc.) will have no problem overwhelming the earth. (It’s called “anti-racism.”) Bring countless millions of anti-White parasites into genosuicidal White countries and give the critters everything their little dark hearts desire. Planeticide through bathos and virtue-signaling by self-aggrandizing politicoes and their mushrooms.

Nice thoughts by Robert J. Traydon, though.

Manila1 on Fri, 1st Jun 2018 8:12 pm

More unicorn dreams…

In other news: “Only 20 years ago, or so, the US dollar figured to 90% as reserve currency in treasuries around the globe. Today that percentage has shrunk to below 60%…. China doesn’t depend on US imports. China is self-sufficient and has, as it is, a huge trade surplus vis-à-vis the US. … the Yuan is backed by the Chinese economy plus by gold. Whereas the US dollar has no backing whatsoever; it’s pure and simple FIAT money.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-trade-war-with-china-trump-wants-to-block-countries-from-using-the-yuan-as-a-reserve-currency/5642417

Slip slidin’…

Dredd on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 4:48 am

Don’t forget leave it in the ground (Why Sea Level Rise May Be The Greatest Threat To Civilization – 6).

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:21 am

The most important step is population reduction which is also the hardest. It is a behavior based and a natural species urge. Education and leadership are involve. Sacrifice is involved. Economic changes are needed to accommodate it. It is the least likely to happen proactively and the most likely to happen soon because of limits. Limit based results will not be fair nor clean but they will be effective. Nature is decisive. If we did ever get proactive without a draconian death march it will take decades of 200MIL deaths a year over births on average to get to a reasonable carrying capacity of 1BIL. Death needs to be more accepted with efforts to reduce unnecessary extension of life at all ages that is crippling global health care efforts with excessive cost. Those details are beyond this short comment but it involves tough decisions that few care to make. Births need to be curtail by draconian efforts. I think this is beyond the collective’s ability so look to a horrible natural culling in the next decade or two.

The atmosphere has been damaged. This damage is not going to be healed in human time frames our civilization can realize. What we can do is make it a priority to reduce the damage. The problem is this requires less economic activity. If we plan on using technology it requires more technology and behavioral changes to do it. I doubt we are up to the challenge. The Paris accord was a sick joke allowing India and China to continue to build coal plants. The US dropped out not offering leadership.

The planetary ecosystem is in decline and localized failure. This will just hasten until population is reduced. We might see some healing if we dropped our population by half but by the time those kind of population decline numbers are achieved the damage will be much worse than now making the healing further down the road. If economic and pollution levels are dropped is is debatable whether modern civilization can survive. If it does not survive then it will be a dirty and messy unravelling of dangerous human hazardous creations of all kinds.

What can we do as some kind of effort to maybe extend modernism some? We can live with less materially which goes against market based capitalism and natural tendencies of the individual and the collective. What can you do? Be real green as opposed to the fake green which most greens activity is. Real green lives locally and seasonally. Transport is limited as much as realistic in our modern culture. Few can leave this modern world but most could reduce their discretionary driving. Shower and wash cloths as needed instead of out of habit. Many could go weeks without showering and just cleaning the necessaries. Buy less cloths and use what you have more. Eat less processed foods and more local foods. Meat is not a problem if it is local. Grass-fed beef and local pork and chickens are fine. Reduce consumerism by buying what is needed within a real green mentality. Reduce a/c drastically or eliminate it. Use windows more. If you are building a house and have the ability make it as efficient as possible with insulation and natural thermal qualities. Build smaller with longer lasting materials. Quit doing modern leisure and start doing real green leisure that is focused on earth and community oriented spirituality of healing and health instead of thrill seeking. Play sports local. Stop all professional sport enjoyments. Enjoy music played with instruments. Exercise and stay local doing it. Quit the traditional vacation that involves travel. If you have the money then purchase a solar or wind system and practice demand management with the energy you do use. Not everyone can do this but those who can be more sustainable and resilient should because it is right. You don’t have to go off the grid either. Going totally off the grid is too expensive for most. If you are going to travel because you must then use fuel efficient means. If you can heat with biomass that is sustainably managed. Grow your own foods and preserve them yourself. If you can then run your refrigeration with your solar or wind system. Make your own beverages or buy locally produce ones. Don’t watch TV and get off the computer except like with a vehicle when it is required or necessary.

This is a primer to being real green. This real green can be initiated at the civilizational level and the individual level now with prioritization. At the civilizational level the primary effort should be population. At the individual level it should be consumption based and behavioral orientation. Will this happen? NO. Can some of it happen? Yes but generally with wise and enlightened individuals and maybe some communities. You should do it because this is the way of the planet. Emulate the needs of the planetary web of life by living less. Do this because it is wise and this wisdom is a higher order human attainment. Be real green exceptional human type. Don’t follow what society says is exceptional which is most everything society says is exceptional. A real green exceptional human is paradoxical in relation to normal human exceptionalism. This real green human is wise, moderate, humble, and stoic. He is ready to make sacrifices and is inner driven to do them. Few can attain this higher state of consciousness. Those who can will be the future leadership of what is left of humanity once it goes into inevitable decline to much lower living standards and populations.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:49 am

Another failure of the BRICs. It must be making the Chinese a little nervous considering how much of their food comes from Brazil. Venezuela is falling apart too and they are heavily invested there. If you want a taste of collapse variables that might visit your local check out Brazil, Venezuela, and to a lesser extent Greece. Check out how their societies have changed. Look at yourself and where you are then do the math and be honest.

“I Arrived In Brazil In The Middle Of The Zombie Apocalypse…”
https://tinyurl.com/ybcmnpv7

“SÃO PAULO – I arrived here on Sunday in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Or so it seemed. A nationwide truckers’ strike was in its seventh day and 99 percent of São Paulo’s service stations had run out of gasoline. The roads of South America’s biggest city were deserted of cars and people, and the skies were a murky gray.”

Anonymouse1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 5:55 am

….No one reads your rambling, incoherent word salads anymore exceptionalturd, if anyone ever did in the first place. I suggest you save it for the mental health care workers the state assigns to your case.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:08 am

weasel, are you jealous that you incapable of saying anything? I mean except for your usual regurgitations in a goofy anti-American Canadian dialect. All you can do is whine. Your whining is manifested by stalking and pricking Americans. You can’t stand them because you can’t stand yourself. You Canadians are dependent on the US for your way of life. What a dumbass to react how you do to this dependency. What a waste of a life to be such an obsessed anti-American. Who cares what I write anyway. The reason you care is everything I write is painful for you because you hate yourself for being an American dependent. What I say must have meaning if it upsets you so whenever you comment on me then it is “mission accomplished”. Thanks weasel for the confirmation.

Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:09 am

“The most important step is population reduction which is also the hardest.“

Is it?

Increased wealth means a huge break on procreation:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/the-population-bomb-has-been-defused/

Are non-whites outbreeding Euro’s in the US? Not so fast:

http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/fertility-collapse-minorities-hardest-hit-electing-a-new-people-delayed/

(Washington imposed mass immigration continuous though, with The Wall being a detail)

Japanese stopped procreating:

https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/5293811/japanse-bevolking-krimpt-met-recordsnelheid.html

That’s what you get if you put all your cards and human resources on The Economy.

As a reminder: woman are designed to attract men and have children as a consequence, men are designed for work, anything else is a folly, thanks for asking.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:15 am

Translation of “Is it?”:

GEFIRA: In 2020, German Society Will Start Collapsing
https://tinyurl.com/y8r7cbdl

“The next crisis is just a couple of years away, and Germany will be its largest victim. Economies grow, driven by capital and labour. The ECB monetary policy is currently providing the German economy with enough funds, but the country is experiencing a catastrophic lack of youth, and its ageing labour force is not being replaced as a result of which workforce is already in short supply. Since the German population is declining at a staggering pace, before the end of the century there will only be 22 million indigenous Germans left. Currently the working population has already begun to shrink. This drop is still moderate compared to what will come after 2020. The disappearing of the nation that has just begun will have catastrophic consequences. The German government recorded a large budget surplus last year, a sign that the authorities are not willing or able to invest in their own country. Germany lacks health care professionals, road construction workers and teachers, but allocating more tax money to this sector makes no sense because there are simply no people available. For that reason road construction sites have come to a standstill and road maintenance is postponed. In order to find consumers and labourers, the German industry is investing in new factories abroad.”

“Will Germany Still Belong To Germans In The Near-Future?”
https://tinyurl.com/ybpfj5ft

“The speed with which the German population is shrinking seems to be even too much for the statisticians of Destatis, the official German bureau of statistics, who posit that by 2060, with a zero level of net immigration, the German population will have declined to 60,2 million. However, our research team has found out that this number is far too optimistic: in 40 years Germany will have a population of 52,6 million people, a considerable 34% drop from the current 81 million inhabitants, and by the end of the century the native German population, the indigenous people without a migration background, will have shrunk even further and be approaching 21,6 million. The explanation that Destatis has mailed us is tantamount to admitting that their projections are unrealistic. If the German elites succeed in maintaining their population at 80 million, in 2060 the majority of naturalized Germans will have no historical relation to the nation’s ancestors who were once proud subjects of the Holy Roman Empire. Moreover, they will stand in the same relation to Albert Schweitzer, Johann Sebastian Bach, Karl Benz and Friedrich Nietzsche as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stands to the Byzantine emperors. The excessive numbers of migrants will have altered the German nation forever. There will be no relation between future Germans and the German past By 2050 many of the German historical figures, like Albert Schweitzer mentioned above, will be unmasked as racists and consequently removed from street names and history books and replaced with new heroes, a process that is already taking place in the US and the Netherlands. In the former, monuments to southern generals are under attack, whereas in the latter, migrant parties are pressing for Dutch historical figures to be eradicated from public spaces, streets to be renamed and their most important traditions, which are allegedly not inclusive, oppressive or insulting to national, racial or religious minorities to be prohibited. A country’s history should be about the past deeds of its people, but when people are replaced there is no connection with the past and it may happen that before this century is out, the majority of German citizens will have their cultural roots and their ancestors outside Germany or even outside Europe.”

Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:24 am

“Since the German population is declining at a staggering pace, before the end of the century there will only be 22 million indigenous Germans left.“

It is insane to extrapolate current trends until 2100.

The situation is nevertheless grave indeed and a consequence of being an enforced member of the anti-white libtard (((empire))). What Europe needs to do is liberate itself from that empire, with help of Russia, abolish Soros his Open Society program, criminalize feminism, impose a “wankertax” on singles, abolish easy divorce and abortion as a means of birth control. Russia already managed to get its birthrates up, we in Europe can do that as well.

22 million Germans in 2100 my foot.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 6:48 am

Blaming others for what is a natural manifestation of your population. This is something that is too late to fixed. Bend over for Muhammed white boy.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:07 am

Cloggie, you are correct. “It is insane to extrapolate current trends until 2100.” No one can accurately predict what next month will bring, or even tomorrow. 2100 is ~82 years away.

Who, in 1865 at the end of the Us Civil War, could have predicted the Spanish American War, World War I, the Great Depression, and World War II? All happened within the next 82 years.

One who is current with events and trends may guess the direction we are headed but it is only an educated guess. The future does not look good, especially for the US and Western countries, but the timeline and details are hazy.

Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:11 am

“Blaming others for what is a natural manifestation of your population.”

I am not “blaming”, I am pointing towards a cure, namely stringing up every western European US cocksucker 1989-style and start all over again and throw the US out, just like the Eastern Europeans threw their Soviet overlords out. How is that for “blaming”?

“ This is something that is too late to fixed. Bend over for Muhammed white boy.”

Despicable white traitor. May a deplorable blow your brains out before you coward weasel can flee to Italy.

Btw in Holland we have merely 900k Muslims on 13 million ethic Dutch. 1 million other non-whites and 2 million white foreigners, mostly Germans, Belgians, British and Eastern Europeans. There is not going to be an Islamic takeover. These 2015 biblical scenes have mobilized society and will not repeat itself. But the seeds of the anti-left revolution have been sown. The downfall of the western empire will be much more bloody than the downfall of the Soviet empire. There is absolutely no place to go for traitors like meathead, other than Baltimore, “after the break”.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:12 am

Trump’s wife hasn’t been seen in 22 days..I bet Trump got mad and beat her..She likely has bruises on her face..

MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:18 am

Clogg

You have severe mental illness..Please see a doctor so they can give you some meds..

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:19 am

LMFAO, the dumb Dutch guy gets angry with reality.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:23 am

“You have severe mental illness..Please see a doctor so they can give you some meds…” says the Ozark hypocrite. LMAO

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:23 am

Double lol, the 3rd world carries on how his Asia will be fine. Dummy, the worst is coming to Asia and you in particular. It is all about population density and carrying capacity.

You never read a comment by 3rd world calling Asia into question on that subject or his groupie friend the nedernazi.

3rd world you probably won’t live long enough for all this to matter so you can act stupid.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:25 am

Hey dumbass grandpa, clean your glasses. I didn’t say that.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:46 am

You caught that did you, delusional? I wondered if you would. The comment fit so well, I had to use it, even if you did not say it. ^_^

BTW: The Us is noticeably worse this visit. You need to get out of the box and look around. Americans suffer from the ‘frog in the pot’ syndrome.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:51 am

“… the worst is coming to Asia and you in particular. It is all about population density and carrying capacity.”

No delusional, the most pain is coming to the spoiled Americans. You have been living high on the hog for way too long. Consuming six times your fair share of resources at the expense of the rest of the world. Time for that to end.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 7:58 am

Lots of pain coming to Americans too 3rd world. You see I am honest and you are a liar. Your lie is grounded in subjective emotions that have little bearing to reality. It could be the fact that you are pushing 80 and your mental faculties were failing.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 9:01 am

Global civilization will likely collapse within the next ten years according to (Meadows, 1972) (Motesharrei, 2014)
(Turchin, 2010) (Ehrlich, 2013)
(Turner, 2014) (Korowicz, 2012)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
https://www.scribd.com/document/379418787/Is-Global-Collapse-Imminent-An-Updated-Comparison-of-The-Limits-to-Growth-with-Historical-Data-Turner-2014
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf

MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 9:13 am

America’s poor becoming more destitute under Trump: U.N. expert

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-rights-un/americas-poor-becoming-more-destitute-under-trump-u-n-expert-idUSKCN1IY0C3

Trump is the fourth horseman of the apocalypse. He practices all the sins. Greed, Gluttony, Sloth, Envy, Banging porn stars etc. I’m an atheist but even I can spot a false prophet and an actual anti-Christ when it’s this obvious..

Boat on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 9:21 am

Mak

Did you know foreign companies represent 30% of US refining? Did you know N America is net oil independent from the rest of the world?
You say we’re consuming more than our fair share but how can that be if we’re using our own oil.

Sissyfuss on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 9:39 am

Restoring natural habitat while increasing human population by some 80 million yearly is beyond fantasy and approaches serious mental illness.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 10:07 am

Boat…Bullshit! Totally independent? Not in your wildest imagination!

You don’t drink oil.
Eat oil.
Live in oil.
Drive oil.
Wear oil.
Use oil to type here on the internet.
Talk on your cell phone.
Take oil for illnesses.
Spend oil.
Or keep cool in oil.

Oil may have a part in all of those things but they take other resources from many other countries to exist. YOU may live in an oily world but the rest of us live in the real one. When the SHTF, and the government subsidy of the oily industry goes with it, then tell me the Us is oil ‘independent’. Debt is all that is keeping the oil industry in the US alive. (And, sucker investors like you.)

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 10:17 am

No Davy, you are a hypocrite. Just review your past comments for proof. Deciding to open your eyes and agree that the Us is going to suffer pain is a step in the right direction. Keep going to the truth that it is on the path to the 3rd world.

Much as you want to put down Asia, it is still the best place to be when the SHTF by far. That you are stuck in the Us gulag and your only possible option is another failing Western gulag, called Italy, must be very frustrating.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 10:48 am

“No Davy, you are a hypocrite. Just review your past comments for proof.”
Review them 3rd world and give us some references grandpa. WAITING

“Deciding to open your eyes and agree that the Us is going to suffer pain is a step in the right direction.”
Dummy, I am a doomer and have been talking about my danger here in the US daily and I do it rationally and objectively. You are the binary buffoon lost in inconsistencies who says Asia will be fine and the US will crash and burn horribly. You are a fake, liar, and a coward.

“Much as you want to put down Asia, it is still the best place to be when the SHTF by far.”
Asia is the worst possible place 3rd world. To clarify that not all of Asia but most of the populated areas like where you live.

“That you are stuck in the Us gulag and your only possible option is another failing Western gulag, called Italy, must be very frustrating.”
I am not a coward. I will stay here and make my last stand. I have the option of going to my wife’s home place also. You are an old man pushing 80 with no health insurance in a overpopulated 3rd world backwater and living on a small social security stipend. You are screwed 3rd world but want to tell everyone else they are screwed. That is a familiar mental action of people in denial.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 10:49 am

“Boat…Bullshit! Totally independent? Not in your wildest imagination!”

Boat, kicked you in your pussy 3rd world. That must hurt.

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:26 am

Congratulations Davy,

You’ve completely destroyed what used to be a decent discussion forum. Good job buddy!

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:31 am

shut up greggie, you and your extremist groupies have done that. go be your usual irrelevant and go walk the doggie before the wife yells at you.

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:43 am

You’re in dire need of serious psychological help Davy.

Manila1 on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:48 am

Greg, Davy is a perfect example of why the Us is hurtling towards destruction and the 3rd world. Brainwashed, delusional, in deep denial of reality in the rest of the world. Immature, arrogant, self-centered, insecure, frustrated, delusional, etc.

Obviously uneducated in important areas and does not understand that the rest of the world is NOT like the Us. Not even close, except in Western wannabee countries. Maybe he never heard of ‘cultures’, something that does not exist in the Us. I live in a very close, self-sufficient culture with a history of a thousand years or more. Where helping a friend, family member or neighbor, is common. That is much better than in a country (Us) where most do not even know who their neighbors are.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:52 am

Quit your whining pussy and say something. When is the last time you contributed something intelligent? We know you hate me and please don’t give me your stupid opinion on hate because you are a liar. What is it about you stupid board Canadians, is all that is left of your psyche the stalking and pricking of Americans you hate. Your cousin anonymousE is the same way. DISGUSTING

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 11:55 am

Grandpa, did you forget you said the same thing yesterday. Get some assisted living. You better not go back to the P’s you will be in serious trouble. They will find you wondering down the road but no one will help you.

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:07 pm

Davy is a .0001%er makati. The kind that the lynch mobs will be scouring the countryside for when TSHTF.

If he had any brains in his head, he’d be heading for his Italian retreat ASAP.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:11 pm

What are you grehgie, mr cashed out of Hongcouver casino with a dirty $1MIL? I think you are more likely to be lynched and likely by an American. What poetic justice too.

Boat on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:18 pm

Mak

Looking at charts is easy barrel counting. So go look at the charts and prove me wrong. Once again for the weak in searh. Go to eia search box. Type net oil by country. You will look at Mexico and Canada. Then search net imports to the US. You will find the US net imports around 2.7 mbpd for the last quarter. Canada and Mexico show net exports to the US much higher for the same quarter. Fake news is easy for you. No go look at the two charts and do the math. Mm can’t and he’s educated…lol…can you?

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:19 pm

A million dollars would buy a person a 1500 square foot 1950s rancher on a city lot in Vancouver, or an 800 sq ft condo in the downtown core Davy. We’re not talking butfuck MO here.

Davy on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:37 pm

Greggie, I don’t give a shit about your Butthole Columbia. A million dollars makes you the wealthiest hypocrite on the board. BTW, I live here because it is bumfuck and glad uptight rich assholes like you don’t live here.

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:47 pm

British Columbia doesn’t belong to me Davy. It is not mine. A million dollars is chump change in this day and age, as you should well know, it likely wouldn’t even cover the annual fuel and maintenance on your private jet.

GregT on Sat, 2nd Jun 2018 12:50 pm

Watch your back Davy. You can be sure your fellow Americans will be looking for you when TSHTF. People in general don’t like spoiled filthy rich kids.