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Apocalypse by 2040? Shock as MIT computer model predicts END DATE for civilisation
A COMPUTER MODEL developed in 1973 by a team of MIT researchers has predicted the “end of civilised life as we know it” by 2040, with a major change coming in 2020 – just two years away from now.
An apocalyptic computer model, processed by one of the world’s largest computers in 1973, has predicted the end of civilization by 2040.
The prediction came from a programme nicknamed World One, which was developed by a team of MIT researchers and processed by Australia’s largest computer.
It was originally devised by computer pioneer Jay Forrester, after he was tasked by the Club of Rome to develop a model of global sustainability.
However, the shocking result of the computer calculations showed that the level of pollution and population would cause a global collapse by 2040.
This shows that the world cannot sustain the current level of population and industrial growth for more than two decades.
Australian broadcaster ABC has republished its original report from the 1970s, since there is just two years until a major change is expected according to the computer model.
The model based its predictions on trends such as pollution levels, population growth, availability of natural resources and quality of life on earth.
The eerie calculation has been remarkably accurate in certain predictions, such as a stagnated quality of life and diminishing pool of natural resources.
Jim Bakker claims Trump was sent to deter APOCALYPSE
The prediction came from a programme nicknamed World One, which was developed by MIT researchers (Image: GETTY)
A fascinating forecast shows that the quality of life is expected to drop dramatically right after 2020.
At this time the broadcasters addreses the audience: “At around 2020, the condition of the planet becomes highly critical.
“If we do nothing about it, the quality of life goes down to zero. Pollution becomes so seriously it will start to kill people, which in turn will cause the population to diminish, lower than it was in the 1900.
“At this stage, around 2040 to 2050, civilised life as we know it on this planet will cease to exist.”
Globecruiser Family The ideal shelter in case of apocalyps
The apocalyptic computer model processed by one of the world’s largest computers in 1973 (Image: IG)
Alexander King, a British pioneer who led the Club of Rome, also made a shocking prediction regarding national sovereignty.
He told ABC: “Sovereignty of nations is no longer absolute. There is a gradually diminishing of sovereignty, little bit by little bit. Even in the big nations, this will happen.”
287 Comments on "Apocalypse by 2040? Shock as MIT computer model predicts END DATE for civilisation"
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:04 pm
Antius
Great source “Louderwithcrowder”..
LMFAO! Once again proving how low IQ you people are..My source was the top psychology site on the internet.
Fake news sharing in US is a rightwing thing, says Oxford study
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/06/sharing-fake-news-us-rightwing-study-trump-university-of-oxford
If you will believe the far fetched claims of the bible..You will fall for anything..
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:14 pm
“And the Dutch are one of the most liberal countries in the world..Just like I was saying.”
WAS one of the most liberal countries in the world. Meanwhile, Holland and the rest of Europe are rapidly moving towards the populist right.
In fact, Holland would have had a populist PM as early as 2002, but Pim Fortuyn was killed 2 weeks before the elections.
Currently populists are #2 in parliament.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:22 pm
Clogg
Only because they are in a depression and headed for an economic collapse soon..Remember Hitler rose to power during the great depression..Whenever the economy goes sideways the right rises because people because angry and mean..Just like that German peak oil study concluded back in 2010..And those who ignore history..you know..
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:22 pm
autofill test
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:26 pm
German Army secret (Leaked) peak oil study 2010.
Historical OECD studies show that only an increase in prosperity can lead to open and tolerant societies..And set backs in economic growth will lead to a rise in nationalism and extremism..
http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
Looks like they predicted the rise of Trump and Brexxit..
So we better get ready for a total collapse of all markets and world governments soon when the oil shortages hit..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:30 pm
Clogg
Look at Italy they are literally collapsing now..Just like I said..Immigrants have nothing to do with their problems..And have fun five star low iq morons..They can’t change anything for the better..They will only accelerate their collapse..And once they go bankrupt the IMF and World Bank will swing in and rape them bloody with loans and force them into austerity..You can only blow up your debt if you have your own central bank..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:31 pm
Illinois manufacturer closing doors, moving to Mexico over Trump tariffs
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/international-taxes/401943-illinois-manufacturer-closing-doors-moving-to-mexico-over
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:33 pm
“Only because they are in a depression and headed for an economic collapse soon..Remember Hitler rose to power during the great depression.”
You are such a provincial Hillbilly, probably never been abroad. Holland is richer than ever. Housing prices will increase with ca 10% for a third year in a row. Cities and airports are congested with tourists. We have 3% growth with no end in sight. Public debt is now ca 50%, soon 40%. The only bottleneck is personel.
And even in these circumstances the Right is rising. Reason: immigration.
The largest blog in the Netherlands: rightwing
https://www.geenstijl.nl
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:41 pm
A world no longer powered by fossil fuels, no matter what incarnation, is almost inconceivable and for many terrifying. . It is indeed traumatic for what it might (probably) mean not just for us but also for our love ones, children, grandchildren. Our hearts break. We want to fix it.
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:43 pm
Pump up the volume, feet of the floor!
https://youtu.be/45uy-TtkD1k
Richard Spencer song – Goys and Rosenbergs
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:46 pm
Clogg
Its the economy..Immigrants are just the scapegoats being used by the elites..Just like the Jews were back in the great depression..
Europe Economic Growth (GDP)
1973 5.4 %
1989 3.3%
2001 2%
2016 1.6%
2028 0% = Economic Collapse
Source: Harvard
Political Instability and Economic Growth – (Alesina, 1996) Journal of Economic Growth
https://www.scribd.com/document/384373317/Political-Instability-and-Economic-Growth-Alesina-1996
Source: World Bank
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=EU
Europe’s Biggest Natural Gas Producer Is Running Out of Fuel
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/europe-s-biggest-natural-gas-producer-is-running-out-of-fuel
So yeah..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 3:49 pm
CLogg
White nationalist Richard Spencer punched in the face camera while doing interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rh1dhur4aI
Boney Joe on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 4:10 pm
“I bet Millimind is a bespectacled Jew, with lenses about as thick as the bottom of milk bottles. Thick curly black hair, giant protruding mouth; kind of like a giant house fly with glasses.”
Antius- your true person slowly begins to emerge as the thin veneer of civility wears off quickly.
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 4:15 pm
“Antius- your true person slowly begins to emerge as the thin veneer of civility wears off quickly.”
You have no idea how thin the veneer truly is.
https://www.amazon.fr/Avant-guerre-Chronique-dun-cataclysme-annoncé/dp/291120252X/ref=sr_1_1
Extremely good book about the upcoming European civil war, by the French New Right, the most sophisticated in the white world.
Boney Joe on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 4:20 pm
“As an aside, there are also studies that suggest that conservatives tend to be more successful and wealthy people. They tend to be less sympathetic because they have not experienced so much hardship or sexual rejection. Lefties tend to be less physically attractive. They are drawn into left-wing idealism because it provides them with a psychological cushion and a means of fighting the perceived injustice that the world has inflicted upon them.”
Antius, you have evolved rather quickly into a joke. I’d love to see your picture-LOL.
JuanP on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 4:30 pm
Delusional Davy “What a stupid trolling kid. You should be kicked off this board.”
You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! LOL!
Cloggie on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 4:31 pm
“Lefties tend to be less physically attractive. ”
Make that: card-carrying members of the smelling armpit society.
https://goo.gl/images/XJax3T
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 5:17 pm
Lefties are less physically fit? Have you seen the people who live in California? They have the most beautiful woman on earth.
And the alt right is really a group of angry incels…Just look at their march they had in Virginia..How many woman did you see in the crowds? Zero..
Now you know why they are Nazi’s.
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 5:22 pm
There are no studies that say conservatives are more wealthy..
Lets look at the statistics of household wealth and credit scores per state in America..
https://imgur.com/a/tKZNQXb
You tell me who is more wealthy..
That is why conservatives are so cruel and mean..Because they are poor miserable slobs and misery loves company..Just look at Madkat
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 5:25 pm
Behold the master race with extreme wealth, health and intelligence..
https://imgur.com/a/6sMmrM5
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 5:34 pm
“Antius- your true person slowly begins to emerge as the thin veneer of civility wears off quickly.”
Phoney juan, be a friggin man and talk to Antius directly. You are such a pussy
Antius on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 6:51 pm
“Antius, you have evolved rather quickly into a joke. I’d love to see your picture-LOL.”
Glad you are entertained. Would be happy to share my picture, but with all due respect, you don’t sound like my type. And those big Mexican moustaches are notorious for pash rash. Not to mention all the flies buzzing round your head. You can come and mop my floor if you like? 🙂
I’m in a bitchy mood. Should be beneath me, but I’ve discovered that it can be fun.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:06 pm
CLogg
Netherlands Economy (GDP) Per Capita
1965 7.1
1973 4.5
1989 3.7
1996 3.0
2016 1.6
2028 0.0 > Economic Collapse
Source: World Bank
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=NL
And you had a major recession back in 2012 only four years after the great recession..Ouch..Adding insult to injury.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:07 pm
JuanP
Give a man a mask and he will show you his true face..
-Oscar Wilde
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:19 pm
Aww, the exceptionalturd has., somehow, managed to unfriend yet another person here.
Bet none of you saw that coming did you?
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:28 pm
Asperger. What kind of comment is that? Of course the gang is unfriended. Stupid kid. Go play with Greggie another troll pussy.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:45 pm
No matter who, or how many you manage to alienate exceptionaldumbass, at least you’ll always have your fellow autistic, cloggenyid to call a friend. Its not much (no really), but it is slightly better than than having no friends at all.
dumbass
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 7:58 pm
Asperger, you talk like a dork and you are unable to contribute a comment. What a fine example of a huge waste of Canadian tax dollars on a fool. I guess you should hang around to help the senile old man out. He is afraid to comment unless the gang is present.
Slip slidin
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:03 pm
Anon, it is amazing how much time a supposed farmer with hundreds of acres, can spend spamming his delusional goat shit on here. Insanity has many forms and he is exhibiting a number of them.
It must be terrible to be hated by his family, have zero friends and have to screw his goats as a break from hand jobs. Late middle age and nothing to live for except spewing his delusional flag waving shit on here. Maybe MM’s suicide idea will rub off on him and he and his sock puppets will disappear leaving a clean, mature, intelligent forum for us? We can only hope. I’m sure his neighbors would be happier also.
JuanP on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:07 pm
Delusional Davy “Phoney juan, be a friggin man and talk to Antius directly. You are such a pussy.”
More insults and lies from the board’s bully. I am not Boney Joe, fool. I thought Antius comment about the Jews was, like he said, beneath him, but I said nothing because noone is perfect and it was unusual for him to be so mean. We all have bad days. You, on the other hand, are a narcissistic, sociopathic, motherfucking, son of a bitch and will get no more breaks from me EVER.
JuanP on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:10 pm
Mak “Anon, it is amazing how much time a supposed farmer with hundreds of acres, can spend spamming his delusional goat shit on here.”
I was thinking about that earlier today. I have never met a farmer with so much free time. I am a part time hobby farmer and can’t keep up with the guy! LOL!
JuanP on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:19 pm
Delusional Davy “He is afraid to comment unless the gang is present.”
More lies from the Exceptionalist! Mak posts mostly at night when the rest of us are sleeping. Your obsession with Mak is not healthy, Exceptionalist, and a clear symptom of your multiple mental problems.
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:20 pm
Shut up phoney Boney Juan. Quit playing your games. Address Antius like a man face to face.
Deport the ungrateful resident alien leach from the shithole country Uruguay.
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:21 pm
Not one intelligent comment has come out of the gangbanging trolls tonight. Pathetic
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:25 pm
“Our “Prosperity” Is Now Dependent on Predatory Globalization”
“While the U.S. can conjure “money” out of thin air and trade it for goods, other nations must cough up resources and goods in exchange for the “money,” and borrow it at hefty rates of interest if they want to use the global “money” for development or investment.”
“http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2018/08/our-prosperity-is-now-dependent-on.html
Those days are ending for the empire of debt. Many countries are working around the USD and it’s financial system. Soon the Us will be 3rd world in ALL ways. Tomorrow? Slip slidin’…
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:30 pm
Example of my above assertion: “Turkey Joins Russia In Liquidating US Treasuries”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-15/turkey-joins-russia-liquidating-us-treasurys
Yep! The Us is making enemies all over the world at the fastest pace ever.
Slip slidin’…to the 3rd world.
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:41 pm
JuanP, maybe Davy cannot remember that I live 13 hours ahead of Missouri time. It is now 9:40 AM Thursday, August the 16th here.
Davy on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:49 pm
Geeze, slip slidin, wants everyone to know he is in his cheap club med for seniors on social security. Spare me slippy.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:52 pm
Mak
You are the one slip sliding…You move 13 hours away to live all by yourself..And you spend your retirement complaining and preaching against America to Americans online everyday..
You should have stayed here and just made a sign and then you could go ranting on the street corner..
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 8:57 pm
Limits to growth had 12 models. One of those models, the “standard run” or, alternatively, the “business as usual” model, was the one that 30 years of historical data tracked/followed.
Scientific American: Apocalypse Soon: Has Civilization Passed the Environmental Point of No Return?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apocalypse-soon-has-civilization-passed-the-environmental-point-of-no-return/
Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
https://www.scribd.com/document/379418787/Is-Global-Collapse-Imminent-An-Updated-Comparison-of-The-Limits-to-Growth-with-Historical-Data-Turner-2014
Looking Back on the Limits of Growth – Smithsonian
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/looking-back-on-the-limits-of-growth-125269840/
.https://imgur.com/a/ZUUkN4c
JuanP on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 9:29 pm
Delusional Davy has been telling others to shut up on a daily basis for year to no avail. He fits perfectly the definition of an insane person! “Shut up greggie, Derhund shut up, Phoney boney juan shut up” Etc., etc., etc..
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 9:41 pm
JuanP, it must be frustrating for him to not be able to reach thru the computer screen and punch us. That was probably what drove his family away. He probably kicks his goats, if he has any.
He has not realized that words do not hurt when they come from a nobody you don’t know or care about. MM has the same problem. Same person? LOl
makati1 on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 10:25 pm
“The God of Israel Is a Bloodthirsty, Vindictive Sociopath – Does This Explain the Misanthropy of the Jews?”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/08/15/the-god-of-israel-is-a-bloodthirsty-vindictive-sociopath-does-this-explain-the-misanthropy-of-the-jews/#more-181574
“Listen to Yahweh raging after his defeat, and you hear a narcissistic megalomaniac:
“By my own self I swear it; what comes from my mouth is saving justice, it is an irrevocable word: All shall bend the knee to me, by me every tongue shall swear.” (Isaiah 45:23)”
GregT on Wed, 15th Aug 2018 10:38 pm
“Delusional Davy has been telling others to shut up on a daily basis for year to no avail.”
And all of those people that he keeps telling to shut up, used to be his ‘friends’. One by one he continues to alienate himself from everyone on this forum. No doubt, exactly what he has done with everyone else throughout his entire life.
Some people simply cannot be fixed.
boff on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 1:05 am
MASTERMIND:
“Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
https://www.scribd.com/document/379418787/Is-Global-Collapse-Imminent-An-Updated-Comparison-of-The-Limits-to-Growth-with-Historical-Data-Turner-2014”
Ok, let’s look at the diagram on page 14. If world population on year 2023 is about 7,5 billion, they are right. If it is about 8 billion, I am right. We will see in five years.
Cloggie on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 1:11 am
“The God of Israel Is a Bloodthirsty, Vindictive Sociopath – Does This Explain the Misanthropy of the Jews?”
Jesus had his own tribe figured out and distanced himself from them and started a new (love) religion of his own. Eventually his tribe had him killed for his tribal defection, but not before Jesus, the greatest antisemite in world history (and Dolfie as good second), had accurately described the essence of said tribe.
Read this with millimind in mind:
John 8:44: “You are of the [= your?] father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, because truth is not in him. Whenever he speaks the lie, he speaks of his own [voice, nature, native language], because he is a liar and the father of it.”
Warmongers and mass-murderers and professional liars.
Come on millimind, gives us once again your routine how the Russians should be destroyed in a surprise nuclear attack.
makati1 on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 2:36 am
Signs of America’s isolation by the rest of the world:
“US Sanctions Foster Emergence of Multipolar World”
“Russia, Iran, China, and now Turkey are in the same boat, as all have become the target of US sanctions. But none of those nations has bowed under the pressure….
Russia had foreseen the developments in advance and took timely measures to protect itself….
Turkey was ready to begin using local currencies in its trade with Russia, China, Iran, Ukraine, and the EU nations of the eurozone….
Meanwhile, the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) has provided a $3.6-billion loan package for the Turkish energy and transportation sector. Turkey and China have recently announced an expansion of their military ties. As one can see, Turkey is inexorably pivoting from the West to the East….
As a result of some tough times resulting from US sanctions, Iran is redoubling its efforts at building foreign relationships. …
The US sanctions do negatively affect the economies and finances of the targeted countries, but in the long run, they will also push the nations hit by them to move closer to each other, thus encouraging the emergence of the multipolar world the US is trying so hard to resist.”
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/08/14/us-sanctions-foster-emergence-of-multipolar-world.html
slip slidin’…
Davy on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 6:05 am
“The Turkish Emerging Market Timebomb”
https://tinyurl.com/yaeeqs2d
“Turkey has a large, persistent current-account deficit, and a belligerent leader who does not realize – or refuses to acknowledge – that his populist economic policies are unsustainable. Moreover, Turkey has become increasingly dependent on overseas investors (and probably some wealthy domestic investors, too)…..Given these slowly gestating factors, markets have long assumed that Turkey was headed for a currency crisis. In fact, such worries were widespread as far back as the fall of 2013”
“Now that the crisis has finally come to pass, it is Turkey’s population that will bear the brunt of it. The country must drastically tighten its domestic monetary policy, curtail foreign borrowing, and prepare for the likelihood of a full-blown economic recession, during which time domestic saving will slowly have to be rebuilt.”
“It also enjoys a privileged geographic position at the crossroads of Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia, which means that many major players have a stake in ensuring its stability….Among the regional powers, Russia is sometimes mentioned as a potential savior for Turkey. There is no doubt that Russian President Vladimir Putin would love to use Turkey’s crisis to pull it even further away from its NATO allies. But Erdoğan and his advisers would be deeply mistaken to think that Russia can fill Turkey’s financial void. A Kremlin intervention would do little for Turkey, and would likely exacerbate Russia’s own financial and economic challenges.”
“As for China, though it will not want to waste the opportunity to increase its influence vis-à-vis Turkey, it is not the country’s style to step into such a volatile situation, much less assume responsibility for solving the problem. The more likely outcome – as we are seeing in Greece – is that China will unleash its companies to pursue investment opportunities after the dust settles.”
“That means that Turkey’s economic salvation lies with its conventional Western allies: the US and the EU (particularly France and Germany). On August 13, a White House spokesperson confirmed that the Trump administration is watching the financial-market response to Turkey’s crisis “very closely.” The last thing that Trump wants is a crumbling world economy and a massive dollar rally, which could derail his domestic economic ambitions. So a classic Trump “trade” is probably there for Erdoğan, if he is willing to come to the negotiating table. Likewise, some of Europe’s biggest and most fragile banks have significant exposure to Turkey. Combine that with the ongoing political crisis over migration, and you have a recipe for deeper destabilization within the EU. I, for one, cannot imagine that European leaders will sit by and do nothing while Turkey implodes on their border.”
Antius on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 6:31 am
“Glad you are entertained. Would be happy to share my picture, but with all due respect, you don’t sound like my type. And those big Mexican moustaches are notorious for pash rash. Not to mention all the flies buzzing round your head. You can come and mop my floor if you like?”
Apologies for all that crap last night chaps. Not sure what got into me.
Here is a link to the original story on the Economic Collapse blog.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/mit-computer-model-predicts-dramatic-drop-in-quality-of-life-around-2020-and-the-end-of-civilization-around-2040
Based upon the trends observed so far, my guess is that the new warnings will go unheeded, just like all the previous ones.
I’m not sure what anyone can practically do to mitigate the problem anyhow. We can talk about new technologies, societal changes, etc, but when all is said and done, the ‘petri dish’ that we live in is a ball of rock only 8000 miles wide. Because the global economy is growing exponentially, we inevitably hit multiple limits simultaneously. This is why technology (complexity) is of limited value in avoiding planetary limits.
Fantastic new energy sources, like nuclear power, will only delay the inevitable if this continues to be limit of our domain. In my opinion, it is only worth trying such things if we are trying to buy time for a serious effort to leave this little ball of rock. If nuclear power (and nuclear powered rocket vehicles) allow us to do that, then both are worth pursuing. Otherwise, cheap energy only delays the inevitable.
Davy on Thu, 16th Aug 2018 7:01 am
I am on the same wavelength Antius:
“I’m not sure what anyone can practically do to mitigate the problem anyhow”
“Because the global economy is growing exponentially, we inevitably hit multiple limits simultaneously”
“ Otherwise, cheap energy only delays the inevitable.”
I see all this as the management of terminal illness with the longshot hope of a fantastic cure for our kids’ sake. The old white guys that are here bitching and moaning daily might not suffer too much if we are lucky but the younger people surely will if science is any judge. We should be doing what we can for them. This is why I am here.
If I make a stink with the resident censorship gang and extremist group it is because they are trying to set the agenda and be a magnet for other extremist. This must at least be blunted. Makat1 and Cloggie can moderate their anti-American off topic spamming. GregT and anonymouse1 can greatly reduce their trolling of Americans daily. JuanP can stop his loud mouth trolling activities. I have offered GregT and JuanP a mutual deal to ignore each other but they could care less about the status of the board. They don’t care about others. What results is the bitch fest. Makati1 and Cloggie are dead set on preaching an anti-American story that is little more than personal emotional spam. Anonymouse1 rarely if ever saying anything. His normal activity is to make sure the board is in turmoil. This is the group and they are all friends. They feed off each other and think this is their turf.