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Why Are Rich People So Anxious?
Hannon’s article, headlined “I’m Rich, and That Makes Me Anxious,” will probably elicit eye rolls from those of us eternally beholden to bosses and landlords and banks. We can be forgiven for failing to muster compassion. “No one gets a lot of empathy talking about these things,” admits James Grubman, a psychologist to the wealthy. But that doesn’t change the reality he sees every day: that wealth can generate immense anxiety, insecurity, and fear — even as it also provides comfort, stability, and freedom.
The observation that wealth overlaps with despair has never been entirely foreign to socialist thought. Capitalism distributes resources and power unevenly; the rich get rich in ways that bar the majority of the world’s population from accessing basic goods and exercising basic freedoms, which diminishes happiness overall.
But contentment and misery don’t map perfectly onto wealth and poverty. The multimillionaires in Hannon’s article are found to harbor intense feelings of guilt, self-doubt, and above all, anxiety that their savings will be stolen or squandered due to miscalculations or misfortunes. Are the bourgeoisie, too, held hostage by capitalism?
Socialists have considered the question from time to time, perhaps most memorably, Oscar Wilde. Wilde was a keen observer of bourgeois habits, manners, and affectations, an Irish outsider with an ironic sensibility who found the British elite both fascinating and pitiful. In “The Soul of Man Under Socialism” Wilde wrote:
The industry necessary for making money is also very demoralising. In a community like ours, where property confers immense distinction, social position, honour, respect, titles, and other pleasant things of the kind, man, being naturally ambitious, makes it his aim to accumulate this property, and goes on wearily and tediously accumulating it long after he has got far more than he wants, or can use, or enjoy, or perhaps even know of. Man will kill himself by overwork in order to secure property, and really, considering the enormous advantages that property brings, one is hardly surprised. One’s regret is that society should be constructed on such a basis that man has been forced into a groove in which he cannot freely develop what is wonderful, and fascinating, and delightful in him — in which, in fact, he misses the true pleasure and joy of living. He is also, under existing conditions, very insecure. An enormously wealthy merchant may be — often is — at every moment of his life at the mercy of things that are not under his control. If the wind blows an extra point or so, or the weather suddenly changes, or some trivial thing happens, his ship may go down, his speculations may go wrong, and he finds himself a poor man, with his social position quite gone.
This latter point is an important one. This isn’t the age of kings anymore; most wealthy people now have to hustle if they want to retain their privilege and avoid sinking into the lower classes. The bourgeoisie has created a fair amount of work for itself through its own exploitative practices, generating the very threat of exploitation that compels it to replicate and sustain those practices, seemingly in its own interest.
Capitalism forces everyone, including the ruling class, into a position of market dependence and market discipline. Here’s Ellen Meiskins Wood explaining how universal that discipline is under capitalism:
This distinct system of market-dependence means that the requirements of competition and profit-maximisation are the fundamental rules of life.… What may not always be so clear, even in socialist accounts of the market, is that the distinctive and dominant characteristic of the capitalist market is not opportunity or choice but, on the contrary, compulsion. Material life and social reproduction in capitalism are universally mediated by the market, so that all individuals must, in one way or another, enter into market-relations in order to gain access to the means of life. This unique system of market-dependence means that the dictates of the capitalist market — its imperatives of competition, accumulation, profit maximisation, and increasing labour-productivity — regulate not only all economic transactions but social relations in general.
Market dependence can compel capitalists to behave in ways they feel ambivalent or guilty about, or that can alienate them from others. Vivek Chibber offers a clear analysis of how capitalism structures the behavior of capitalists themselves:
Simply surviving the competitive battle thus forces capitalist to prioritize the qualities associated with the “entrepreneurial spirit” … Whatever his prior socialization might have been, he quickly learns that he will have to conform to the rules attached to his location or his establishment will be driven under. It is a remarkable property of the modern class structure that any significant deviation by a capitalist from the logic of market competitiveness shows up as a cost in some way — a refusal to dump toxic sludge manifests as a loss in market share to those who will; a commitment to use safer but more expensive inputs shows up as a rise in unit costs, and so on. Capitalists thus feel an enormous pressure to adjust their normative orientation — their values, goals, ethics, etc. — to the social structure in which they are embedded, not vice versa.… The moral codes that are encouraged are those that help the bottom line.
It’s always the poor who pay the steepest price for the transgressions of the rich. Yet that reality coexists with the constant compulsion to compete, dominate, and accumulate — or suffer the consequences. That such conditions could make even a materially comfortable person feel trapped, pressured, anxious, guilty, and depressed isn’t so surprising. That’s why Marx called the working class the “universal class” — the class whose liberation will lead to a universal improvement in the human condition.
Here’s Wood again, laying out the only solution that will work for everyone:
The best that socialists can do is to aim as much as possible to detach social life from market dependence. That means striving for the decommodification of as many spheres of life as possible, and their democratisation — not just their subjection to the political rule of ‘formal’ democracy, but their removal from the direct control of capital and from the ‘impersonal’ control of market-imperatives, which subordinate every human need and practice to the requirements of accumulation and profit-maximisation.
The primary aim of socialism is, of course, to benefit the masses — the billions now exploited, dispossessed, and controlled by a miniscule ruling class. But there is a psychological, if not necessarily material, upside for the wealthy, too. As Wilde put it:
“If property had simply pleasures, we could stand it; but its duties make it unbearable. In the interest of the rich we must get rid of it.”
105 Comments on "Why Are Rich People So Anxious?"
Ghung on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 8:54 am
“Freedom’s just another word for nuthin’ left to lose…”
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:06 am
Post collapse just tell the Rich man NO..One time then watch him stroke our while you breed his daughters…..Har har
onlooker on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:27 am
The wealth per say doesn’t cause the anxiety and fear but the perception that ones well being is necessarily tied to it. They’re is something to Buddhism imploring people to forsake desires
Davy on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:35 am
Well everyone here is rich so all reading this need to be anxious. The very rich are insignificant in number really. How many really rich people do you know? They are mostly digitally wealthy with big toys and properties that will quickly suffer entropic decay from lack of maintenance and pillaging. Many of the very rich are older and will not hold up well to the rigors of physical demands of a collapsing world. Their families are made up of many who are young punks who have never done hard manual labor. These rich associated young people will sink or swim. Many have the potential to survive but they will have to get with the program once a collapse process becomes serious. Digital wealth will evaporate into the digital nothingness of our imagination. One minute that laptop online banking shows wealth the next the site is unavailable or the laptop does not have an internet connection. The real anxiety should be with every single one of you here who point your grimy fingers at the so called rich when the fact is every one of us here are rich by the reality of world standards. We are all set for an ass kicken. Get a grip and are you ready to be cold and hungry? It is very likely one day we are all going to be in a very different world.
Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:41 am
Davy demonstrates why the doomers tend to set themselves up for a lifetime of anxiety, waiting, even wishing, to be in a world of cold and dark.
What a “great way” to live! Congrats
Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:43 am
This piece is hilarious. The liberals/socialists come out from behind their mask and are honest. Just make any excuse they can to confiscate the wealth of others and run things by force.
As if ridding the world of commodification would be good for everyone. Picture Russia and standing in line for EVERYTHING, living crammed into some small apartment assigned to you, etc.
As though that would be wonderful.
onlooker on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:46 am
No, Outcast, you are dead wrong. Nobody wants to live in a world of cold and dark. But you need to be reminded that only by looking squarely at that possibility can one deal with it and/or avoid it. Face your fears
Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:50 am
Or, one could define “rich” as having earned “enough” to live a normal, quiet, middle class life, without having to be a slave to “the man”. Just having enough not to have to worry about paying the bills, and being content with that.
At the risk of stating the obvious, that REMOVES a lot of anxiety.
Diversified investments, not all hammered by a market crash are also helpful in the removal of anxiety part. Living a lifestyle that doesn’t require a lot of monthly bills to maintain helps greatly in that.
Oh, and no one can tell you’re “rich” to look at you, so there’s no anxiety in that.
Socialists, I’d say it’s time to quit envying the wealth earned by others and get to work earning your own independence.
Dreams of your “liberation” are about as realistic in any given year as the fast crash doomers’ dreams of “the system ending failure”.
Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:52 am
onlooker, deal with reality, or not. I face fact based reality every day instead of living in fantasy land.
Face reality. (But I know, your ilk will never do that. Instead it’s the “ETP vision” of the day — until that fails and you go for the next one which appeals to you.)
Sissyfuss on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:58 am
OS, it is coming to a neighborhood near you soon. No economic system can survive overshoot, nor an environmental one either. I prefer green socialism but that’s because I have never been a member of the prevalent paradigm. GS wouldn’t survive our predicament either. The descent has begun and will continue to pick up speed as Gaia reintroduces a natural balance that has always reigned supreme.
Davy on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 11:01 am
Outcast do you have insurance or maybe you believe your house will never burn down. I don’t have the anxiety you have or you would not be on a doomer site like this. You are the one worried. My anxiety is much lower because I am honest. You live in your fairytale world. I imagine you are plenty rich too and a bet you are one who will not be able to take hard labor or extremes ahead.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 11:07 am
Every day I pray French Revolution 2.0 will happen in America soon. Wouldn’t it be a grand ole’ time taking part in the celebrations of the jubilant crowds while corporate executives, bankers and politicians get sent to the guillotines and gallows? I know I’d have a blast getting drunk and watching the show….
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 11:51 am
“Every day I pray French Revolution 2.0 will happen in America soon. Wouldn’t it be a grand ole’ time taking part in the celebrations of the jubilant crowds while corporate executives, bankers and politicians get sent to the guillotines and gallows? I know I’d have a blast getting drunk and watching the show….”
Antifa “peer-reviewed” scumbag Millimind can’t wait until the order in the US breaks down and he can go on a murder and rape spree. There are many Antifa, BLM and SJW wannabees like him, under auspicien of the Soros types, who would like to kickoff a Petersburg-1917 on North-American soil.
But unlike 1917, this time Europe and Russia will not stand idly by and intervene, so we finally get rid of America… by splitting it up.
Waddaya waiting for, Millimind!
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 12:00 pm
Putin has one more 6 year term. But what about timing?
2018 or 2024?
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-elections-2018-will-putin-even-run/ri21659
Putin (65) could plant a loyal servant, like Medvedew, and “lead from behind” and gamble that can return in 2024 at an age Trump has now. Putin could gamble that
– Trump will be reelected and leave office in 2024
– Petrodollar will be down and out
– Pro-Russian populism will gain upperhand in Europe
– Ethnic tensions in the US will have increased
Putin wants a Greater European Confederation. The time in 2018 is not rife for that, but 2024 is different.
Take your pick wisely, mr Putin (2024).
deadlykillerbeaz on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 12:19 pm
Who cares about the rich?
Here is why the rich are anxious:
http://oldsite.english.ucsb.edu/faculty/ayliu/research/around-1800/FR/times-9-10-1792.html
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 12:36 pm
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201711221059342135-wilders-stop-russophobia-europe/
Geert Wilders, not a neocon after all.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 2:00 pm
Outcast_Searcher, the American empire and every empire that ever existed or will was built on confiscating the wealth labour of others. That’s the whole point.
What makes you assume every “doomer” suffers from anxiety?
Did one tell you they are suffering? Did you hack their medical records and discover that they are on anti anxiety meds?
Have you ever looked at the stats in your country for how many take anti anxiety-depression meds? Big fucking number. They must be doomers eh?
You know who I think is anxious? People who need to ceaselessly count barrels 87 times per day, everyday.
1 in 6 Americans Takes a Psychiatric Drug
Antidepressants were most common, followed by anxiety relievers and antipsychotics
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/1-in-6-americans-takes-a-psychiatric-drug/
Now there is also an unkown number who suffer but do not seek help and then there are the self medicators – alcohol, heroin, fentanyl, carfentanil (10,000 times more potent than morphine) then there are the pot heads the fat and getting fatter food addicts.
Alcohol, opioids and obesity have all been official declared as national epidemics.
Do the math……..
So which group is it again that is suffering from anxiety?
This pattern is happening in all western countries.
Hey if you are happy and well adjusted to your society then power to you.
1 question, why does over half the population need all these mind & mood altering substances?
Thousands of overdose deaths linked to rise in fentanyl in drug supply
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11905418
Has alcoholism become New Zealand’s accepted addiction?
“It’s easy to forget alcohol is the most widely available and consumed recreational drug in New Zealand – and is therefore the drug that causes Kiwis and their families the most harm.
To look at it statistically, the New Zealand Drug Foundation says alcohol causes more harm in this country than illegal drugs methamphetamine, marijuana, cocaine, ecstasy, acid and heroin combined.
The organisation, who are at the true coalface of alcohol abuse along with police and health workers, told Newshub that 80 percent of New Zealanders are regularly drinking alcohol. Addiction to it is still a massive problem in our society, affecting not only the homeless and those in poverty but Kiwis at the other end of the wealth spectrum and everywhere in between.”
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/03/has-alcoholism-become-new-zealand-s-accepted-addiction.html
NEW ZEALAND
Number of children and teens on anti-depressants doubles
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11870484
Medication use rising
“One in nine adults – and one in six women – are on anti-depressant medication in New Zealand. Prescription numbers rose 37 percent in the five years from 2007 and 2012”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/237971/anti-depressant-study-%27disturbing%27
Nearly a third of adult NZers now considered obese
“The results from the annual Ministry of Health survey show that 1.2 million adults and 99,000 children aged between two to 14 years old are dangerously overweight.
Those figures have both being increasing since 2011, with a rise of nearly 6 and 4 percent respectively from 10 years ago.”
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/344199/nearly-a-third-of-adult-nzers-now-considered-obese
Outcast, let me guess, it’s all the individuals fault eh? Hundreds of millions of
citizensconsumers in the west just up and became personally irresponsible and depressed and anxious and addicted in the last 30 years. Your beloved and cherished neo liberal corporate capitalism/religion is blameless.For ‘just world’ true believers like you it’s system justification until collapse. No matter how much things have changed for the worse you continue to spew out those think tank memes – the same ones over and over like a good little puppet.
efarmer on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 2:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSdAEzLqYMc
Oh those poor rich people, they got to find a reason for everything they do!
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 2:19 pm
clog, more of that euro-tart unity on display.
‘Looting’ spree threatens wildlife and forests across eastern Europe
UN report warns crimes such as logging and poaching are putting ‘high pressure’ on ecosystems in 15 countries in the Danube-Carpathian region
“Up to 36 million birds are being stolen or killed in the Mediterranean annually, the report says, with many ending up on plates in Italian and Maltese restaurants.
“The looting of these natural resources undermines development and deprives governments of the money they need to promote jobs, education and health services”, said Erik Solheim, Unep’s director. “These resources should rather be a solid foundation for future generations”.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/22/looting-spree-threatens-wildlife-and-forests-across-eastern-europe
Euro-Cancer
One more financial crash and it will be medieval slaughter times once again.
Darrell Cloud on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 2:49 pm
Master you do realize that we live in the most intricate and fragile civilization in the history of the world. The simple fact that you can get up in the morning, flush a toilet, turn on a coffee pot and take a hot shower is amazing. In less than half a century these luxuries have become common place.
Collapse the banking system and you take down J.P. Morgan. J.P. got his start with a little money from his dad and by selling defective infantry rifles to the Army of the Potomac. One out of a hundred blew up on firing taking out the eyes and fingers of the soldier who fired it. He knew they were defective when he sold them. He was sued but somehow justice was diverted. Then he became a railroad magnet and was in on setting up the greatest scam in history, the Federal Reserve. Look at the billions J.P. has paid in settlement fees through the years. Fraud compounding fraud seems to be a business model for old J.P.
Shut down J.P. Morgan and you shut down the EBT program. If don’t believe it google it. In a week the streets would run red with blood. When the streets run red with blood, the power goes out. No more flushing toilets, no more hot showers, no more hot coffee.
The zombie apocalypse would be great fun for about the first 12 hours, don’t you think? How cool would it be to walk up to the banksters and other twits who have wronged you and just shoot them? Fun, right? Schadenfreude in real time, wow! In 24 hours you will be exhausted. In 36 hours you will fall asleep and be overrun. And then, some of the people you have pissed off will have a go at you. If you are lucky they will shoot you outright.
It’s fun to fantasize about the Walking Dead, but if it happens most of us will be dead within the first week.
Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 4:09 pm
Outcast_Searcher, the American empire and every empire that ever existed or will was built on confiscating the wealth labour of others. That’s the whole point.
But apneaman is not going to apply this wisdom to WW2, when the US empire was born at the cost of millions in Europe.
Should give apneaman second opinions on the actions of the Canadians.
Just kidding.
But apneaman IS the US empire, the same empire that is now going down, not in the least because a considerable part of its inhabitants have enough of that half way third world empire.
#timber!
The next interesting question is: who gets what?
http://tinyurl.com/y8ydx6a9
rockman on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 4:18 pm
Outcast – I guess I’m lucky to live in a different portion of society then the article describes. I know a lot of folks well above middle class, a half dozen millionaires and one outright billionaire. And none of them appear to be anxious with regards to financial matters. Maybe because they are all oil patch and thus accustomed to financial volatility. As a result they all planned for a secure future when they did have the means during the good times. Personally after the late 70’s boom times and the following crash that knock me to my knees financially I planned to make my future as secure as possible when conditions improved. And thus I have. And just as my cohorts have.
But I know more then a few folks who are extremely anxious about their financial future. And that’s because they are not wealthy. Many are my neighbors. I live in a very modest townhome development in a small blue collar industrial town. Part of my long term security plan. As a result of buying a home that was much less expensive then I could afford I have no mortgage. Turning 65 my property tax is only $350/yr thanks to the huge tax bill ExxonMobil pays on the second largest refinery in the western hemisphere. As far as I know all my cohorts have no mortgages. My wife and I also stopped running balances on our credit card 10 years ago: automatic bank draft pays every month. If we don’t have the cash we don’t buy it. Again I suspect similar situations with my cohorts.
When we’re hanging out together no one bitches about taxes or interest rates. About the only financial matters discussed are about the stock market. And that only from the few that have more then a token few $’s invested in it.
A few years ago I worked with a volunteer group that helped folks at the bottom of the pyramid with reading skills and personal finances. Folks who were so unsophisticated they were too intimidated to walk into a bank and open a checking account. Folks who would miss a rent payment if they missed 2 paydays in a row. Back when gasoline prices were high I brought a pot of beans for lunch to a garage sale a group of neighbors were having. They were selling cloths and kid’s toys to buy gas for their car pool so the members could car pool to work.
I suspect the author of this paper didn’t spend much time hanging out with folks at this economic level. Otherwise they would realize any anxiety they perceived with more affluent folks doesn’t come close to what these folks live with every day of their lives.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 4:58 pm
rockman, the wealthy are ALL anxious about the near future when they will become hated serfs. Or dead. The oily cancer guys should go first. They are the cause of the world’s oily wars and a lot of the other problems of mankind. They provide the drug that they addicted the world to and pocketed the profits. Now their payback is coming.
Repent on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 5:43 pm
I’d be okay to be rich and lose it all. Even a couple of easy years without bill collectors, landlords, or bosses in my face would be of great benefit, even if temporary and impermanent. Even better would be a steady state society where everyone is middle class and there are no rich or poor people.
Davy on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 5:48 pm
Says the guy who flies to Hong Kong to shop. That flight was oily but that is ok right because the mad kat lives by double standards. Do you know all wealthy people mad kat? There happens to be a lot of wealthy people who are successful and that is something you would not know much about. Lots of wealthy people who do good things because they have money and are smart. That is something you would not know about.
________ on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 5:58 pm
The rich try making heaven for themselves, on Earth. They know subconsciously they are waisting their efforts and will loose all they have. They never owned anything to begin with. Only passing by tumble weeds like the rest.
Apneaman on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:26 pm
All the rich pricks combined can’t afford what’s coming.
Hurricane Maria Damage Estimate of $102 Billion Surpassed Only by Katrina
Hurricane Harvey – $90 Billion
Hurricane Irma – $45 Billion
An official death toll of 55, but indirect deaths may be closer to 500
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-maria-damages-102-billion-surpassed-only-katrina
2017 will blow the record books out of the water just like an AGW Jacked hurricane.
How Long Can Oceans Continue To Absorb Earth’s Excess Heat?
The main reason soaring greenhouse gas emissions have not caused air temperatures to rise more rapidly is that oceans have soaked up much of the heat.
“For decades, the earth’s oceans have soaked up more than nine-tenths of the atmosphere’s excess heat trapped by greenhouse gas emissions. By stowing that extra energy in their depths, oceans have spared the planet from feeling the full effects of humanity’s carbon overindulgence.”
http://e360.yale.edu/features/how_long_can_oceans_continue_to_absorb_earths_excess_heat
Anyone care to guess where Hurricanes get most of their energy from?
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:29 pm
Police State America: “Secret Code Is Recording Every Keystroke You Make On More Than 400 Of The Most Popular Websites On The Internet”
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/secret-code-is-recording-every-keystroke-you-make-on-more-than-400-of-the-most-popular-websites-on-the-internet
“Collection of page content by third-party replay scripts may cause sensitive information, such as medical conditions, credit card details, and other personal information displayed on a page, to leak to the third-party as part of the recording,” Steven Englehardt, a PhD candidate at Princeton University, wrote. “This may expose users to identity theft, online scams, and other unwanted behavior. The same is true for the collection of user inputs during checkout and registration processes.”
Big Brother is Watching!
Davy on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:36 pm
Mad Kat; if you look for trouble you will probably find it. If you live by the rules you will generally be fine. Did you leave the US becuase you were in trouble? You seemed obsessed with law enforcement.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:40 pm
Madkat
China’s oil production peaked back in 2015. So they are going to be running short any year now..And there is no where else to get anymore. All the increases in production since 06 have came from shale and tar sands….They are doomed…But i am sure you will deny they peaked on a peak oil blog…LOL So naive and senile.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:45 pm
MM: Did you notice that multi-hundred billion dollar OIL contract that China has with Russia? Old news. Has Russia “peaked”? Nope! Did younotice that China is now the Saudis biggest oil customer? That it has oil contracts with Venezuela, Iran, etc. China plans ahead. The US looks back. Nuff said.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:48 pm
Cloggie the fascist loves him alpha male strong man Putin..Why? Closet homosexual of course…And Cloggie why don’t you white nationalist cucks ever go marching into the inter cities? Oh yea because you would get your ass kicked that is why… And good job spamming this site with Putin’s Russian propaganda sources. Does he have your email address in his troll farm?
Nationalism is the measles of mankind -Albert Einstein (Jew)
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:49 pm
“As reported by Mashable last week, Twitter is taking new – and intrusive – steps to crack down on hate speech. Twitter announced in an update to their Help Center that they would begin to monitor user’s behavior “on and off the platform” in December. If a user affiliates with any “violent organizations”, their account will be suspended without notice.”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/11/22/twitter-to-start-monitoring-users-off-platform-starting-december-18/#more-164174
The American Police State continues to grow.
Davy on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:55 pm
Mad Kat, China becomes more exposed to the dangers of oil import interruption by the month and you dismiss the dangers. Could it be you are in denial because of a blind agenda?
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 6:59 pm
Look at that everyone, narrativeman, not ‘the narrativemman’, is a regular Mahatma Ghandi. Living the frugal life, and helping the downtrodden everywhere he goes. I am assuming narrativeman, that most of your good works consist largely of heaping endless praise on uS oil corporations, shilling for said corporations pretty much 24/7, and posting as much nonsense as one can fit into into a single day. Second only to cloggen-kike, of course. These activities must encompass most of your good charitable works, since your endless rehashing of your hokey narratives, and heartland institute\API talking points do in fact, seem occupy the bulk of your waking hours, leaving little time for much else, all things considered.
Like the way you managed to slip in that little shout out to Exxon there ghand, err narrativeman. Nice to know their charitable works include keeping narrativemans and other poor, underprivileged texASS creationists property taxes low. Any other charitable works they do you’d like to tell us about? Do they fund bird sanctuaries? Build schools for retards? Stuff like that, in addition to keeping your property taxes low, of course.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 7:01 pm
Madkat
Russia’s exports to Asia peaked already Madkat. And having been in terminal decline for a long time now. You are so energy illiterate and peak oil ignorant its astonishing. See if you didn’t spend so much time in gutter with fake news like zeroheadge. organic prepper, economiccolllapseblog, etc. The list is endless.
https://imgur.com/a/SjoOZ
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 7:13 pm
WW2 was a resource war—Japan and Germany had to thrust outward to grab oil, or face certain defeat. The USA had more oil so defeat was inevitable. The USA is now in the same predicament, running short of oil and thrusting outward in the Middle East to grab it…
And madkat doesn’t understand and just thinks we are evil..lol give me a break you dimwit. There is no moral or ethics in nature. A frog gets eaten, a deer gets shot, a cheetah catches a gazelle….Only people of great privilege and wealth argue morals and ethics.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 7:34 pm
LoL@Mushmind
People of great wealth and privilege do NOT argue morals and or ethics, except maybe in passing. They hire people to do it for them, get it straight. They do this, mainly, to deflect attention from their own endless crimes. No suprise you got that little slice of reality inverted as well.
And yes, amerikants are indeed evil. Evil bastiches with better PR (propaganda), though even that former advantage has started to wear pretty thin at this point. Few outside amerika subscribe to the myth of amerikant virtue, yet all those ‘bad guys’you feeling attempt to equate with yourselves, are not attempting to dominate and bend the world to your elites wills, in anything like the manner your kind are.
Nowhere else do you see 4% of the worlds population, demanding ~ 1/3 of the entire planet’s resources be allocated to them, in perpetuity. IF you want to see what that kind of evil looks like, all you have to do, is visit the uS, or Israel.
DerHundistlos on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 7:37 pm
Poaching in Malta is out in the open and massive due to a perfect storm of corrupt politicians in league with hunter’s groups and a police force paid to look the other way. Malta is a critical flyway for migrating bird populations. The “hunters”, as can be seen in plenty of undercover video, shoot ANYTHING that flies.
The rape of forests in Romania and other Eastern European countries is clear cutting the LAST vestiges of Europe’s primeval forests. This recent headline from The Guardian says everything, “MY WORST NIGHTMARES ARE COMING TRUE: LAST MAJOR PRIMEVAL FOREST IN EUROPE ‘ON BRINK OF COLLAPSE.'” Recently, a sting operation discovered that an Austrian wood pulp company illegally certified wood products coming out of Romania. Surprise, surprise.
This is what happens in capitalist countries without good governance and enforcement of the rule of law. Everything is subservient to Emperor Money.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 7:58 pm
MM, you are so real world illiterate that you cannot think. Do some research in RECENT current event articles, NOT old, ‘peer censored studies’ and see that you are way out in left field.
It is the US that is losing it’s oil, not China. China and Russia will be trading long after the US is dust, the US oil industry is bankrupt and you are walking.
BTW: Are you having turkey or horse for Thanksgiving?
https://mises.org/wire/do-we-really-need-federal-ban-horse-meat
Horse was a common meal in World War One. And happened often in World War 2. Do you really think it will not come back after the SHTF? I think it will be popular, along with cats, dogs, rats, etc. Anything edible will be consumed when the grocery shelves are bare. Bon appétit!
Boat on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 8:53 pm
Anxiety is just an emotion to be controlled. You may or may not make adjustments to quell your fears or be so frigging sophisticated anxiety simply isn’t an issue. Rolling with the expected punches in life is normal. Worrying about shyt is a waste of time.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:12 pm
Madkat
Russian exports to China have been decreasing over a decade. Once again i ask you the question where is china going to get their oil from? Hello Madkat? is this thing on? LOL you have to use MAKE BELIEVE to argue your point. And I showed PROOF…And it hasnt been refuted. Sorry
Boat on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:22 pm
MM, He who pays the going market price for oil will get the oil. With China I would ask for cash in US dollars.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:34 pm
MM: Where is your ‘peer censored’ facts? I don’t see any refs. Zero. Just your bullshit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-china-oil/russias-rosneft-confirms-oil-supply-deal-with-chinas-cefc-idUSKBN1DK0JZ
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-learning-mandarin-in-the-tundra—russia-invites-china-into-oil-business-2015-4
And then there is NG:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/world/asia/china-russia-gas-deal.html
http://fortune.com/2016/06/25/russia-energy-deals-china-security/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pikeresearch/2014/05/30/russia-china-gas-deal-narrows-window-for-u-s-exports/#30fd38ae28c1
And: As of Tue 24 Oct 2017 …
http://www.forexlive.com/news/!/chinas-oil-imports-from-russia-at-record-levels-20171024
Nuff said.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:38 pm
Boat: Did you notice that China is buying oil with ….. GOLD? No one wants the faux dollars the US prints out of thin air. Worthless IOUs.
https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2017/09/05/china-oil-gold-standard-001150
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4104448-chinas-new-gold-backed-oil-futures-contract-cuts-u-s-dollar
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/game-changer-china-buy-oil-gold-backed-yuan/ri20807
https://journal-neo.org/2017/09/13/gold-oil-dollars-russia-and-china/
Better catch up with the real world.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:39 pm
Madkat russian oil production peaked in 1989 that is what collapsed the soviet union. It was only through enhanced oil technology that they were able to squeeze the last bits out and revamp for a little while. And where does their oil get priced and traded on? The london stock exchange so when the western world collapses there will be no oil market or currencies of any value. Just face it China can not save you. They are way overpopulated and will collapse when the US and Europe and japan go down. They will have no market left to produce goods and services for. The global system is to inter connected to go it alone anymore. This isnt 1910 like when you were born…LOL
MASTERMIND on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:41 pm
Madkat
Look at you grasping at straws. OMG China and Russia signed a deal for political PR reasons…LOL I am sure there is nothing to worry about now..Thanks US propaganda now I feel all better…Geea you have turned into the people you claim to despise.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:55 pm
TPTB are deliberately creating conditions of chaos so that Americans will beg for Marshal Law and a Police State. It is already underway in Baltimore…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-22/out-control-genicide-baltimore-residents-support-martial-law
And it is spreading…
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3320-all-the-old-world-systems-are-being-deliberately-torn-down
Murders. Suicides. Drugs. Poverty. Debt. ALL are ballooning in third world America.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 9:58 pm
MM, I don’t give a damn about your weird idea of the real world. I live in it. You obviously do not.
New York and London are being bypassed by the real world. They are dying. The financial center is moving to Asia. You need to get up to date, snowflake.
BTW: Do those drugs you are on cost much from the local pusher? I hope your welfare money covers them.
Makati1 on Wed, 22nd Nov 2017 10:14 pm
MM: You might want to check this out…
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?country=ru&product=oil&graph=production
The current production is growing and is already at, or near, the high point in 1989.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=33732
Today is November 23rd, 2017, not 1989.