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The World, Built by China
Seven dams generate almost half of Cambodia’s electricity. China built and paid for all of them.
Dam
Kamchay Dam, Cambodia
Port
Port of Hambantota, Sri Lanka
Power
plant
Medupi Power Station, South Africa
Stadium
Heroes National Stadium, Zambia
China envisions a vast global network of trade, investment and infrastructure that will reshape financial and geopolitical ties — and bring the rest of the world closer to Beijing.
It is a modern-day version of the Marshall Plan, America’s reconstruction effort after World War II, which created a foundation for enduring military and diplomatic alliances. China’s strategy is bolder, more expensive and far riskier.
Its money doesn’t necessarily come with the usual rules. And the cost, for China and its borrowers alike, can sometimes be too high.
We examined nearly 600 projects that China helped finance in the last decade, through billions of dollars in grants, loans and investments. Taken together, they show the scope and motivation of China’s strategy.
41 pipelines and other oil and gas infrastructure help China secure valuable resources.
203 bridges, roads and railways create new ways for China to move its goods around the world.
199 power plants — for nuclear, natural gas, coal and renewables — give China new markets for its construction and equipment companies.
We found 112 countries where China has financed projects. While most fall under its infrastructure plan known as the Belt and Road Initiative, Beijing has pushed beyond those boundaries.
Belt and Road countries
are shaded red.
Europe
Asia
North
America
China
Africa
South
America
Australia
After years of honing its construction skills at home, China is now deploying them abroad, including a series of hydroelectric dams.
In terms of power output, many of them approach or exceed the size of the Hoover Dam:
Each circle is
a single power project
Colombia
2,400 MW
Under construction
Angola
2,171 MW
Under const.
Nigeria
3,050 MW
Planned
Argentina
1,740MW
Under const.
Laos
1,272 MW
Under const.
Pakistan
1,124 MW
Under const.
Hoover Dam
2,080 megawatts
Ecuador
1,500 MW
Sudan
1,250 MW
Pakistan
969 MW
Geopolitical Goals
China needs friends. And literal bridges can help build figurative ones.
Large ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Malaysia — three countries along a major oil and commerce route from the Mideast and Africa — could someday double as naval logistics hubs.
Europe
Area shown on roads map below
ATLANTIC
OCEAN
Asia
TURKEY
China
PAKISTAN
INDIA
Africa
SRI LANKA
ETHIOPIA
Light red lines show
ocean shipping activity.
MALAYSIA
Dots show ports
China helped build.
INDIAN OCEAN
Beijing is heavily focused on its neighbors, lending them money for extensive road-building projects. Pakistan is running out of money to repay the loans, part of a broader pattern of what critics call China’s “debt trap” diplomacy.
KAZAKHSTAN
UZBEKISTAN
KYRG.
Lines show Chinese
road projects.
TAJIK.
China
TURKMENISTAN
Kabul
Islamabad
AFGH.
IRAN
Lahore
PAK.
INDIA
Gwadar Port
Karachi
Different Standards
China has a different view when it comes to labor and environmental strictures. To staff overseas projects, Chinese companies have flown in their own workers by the thousands, drawing complaints that they are doing little to create local jobs. Safety standards have been uneven.
And Beijing continues to export polluting technologies like coal-fired power plants, even as such projects have become unpopular in China.
Risky Moves
Western governments and multinationals generally steer clear of politically volatile countries. The Chinese government has been less skittish, lending heavily to nations like Venezuela, Nigeria and Zimbabwe.
But China’s lending is not usually largess. Countries that run into financial trouble must renegotiate their loans, putting them deeper into debt. Sometimes projects are left in limbo.
Ecuador spent over $1 billion to prepare a site for a $12 billion Chinese refinery that was supposed to be finished in 2013. It’s stalled.
Forest
Land cleared for
construction
QUARTER
MILE
Methodology
This analysis focused on projects valued at over $25 million that were partly or completely funded by a Chinese entity in the last 10 years. Projects that rehabilitate or expand existing infrastructure are included, in addition to new construction projects.
Data sources
In addition to our own reporting, we compiled information on these projects from the following sources:
- The Construction Intelligence Center
- The Inter-American Dialogue’s China-Latin America Finance Database
- The China Africa Research Initiative at the John Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies
- China’s Global Energy Finance, from the Global Economic Governance Initiative at Boston University.
- Reconnecting Asia from the Center for Strategic and International Studies
- China Global Investment Tracker from the American Enterprise Institute
- The Global Chinese Official Finance Dataset from AidData at the College of William and Mary
- International Rivers
Satellite images from Bing and Google Earth. List of One Belt One Road countries from the State Information Center in Beijing. Ocean traffic data from University College London’s Energy Institute and Kiln Digital. Road shapes from the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Credits
Additional reporting by Karoline Kan, Ailin Tang and Tiffany May.
147 Comments on "The World, Built by China"
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 3:50 pm
Great dams are allways a symptom of overpopulation uppstream.
Minor dams are often the result of foreign/not-local influence.
Dams of what ever sort, are one of the most destructive things ever invented when it comes to the life of downstream people.
JuanP on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 5:36 pm
China is reshaping the Earth. I have been following China since my father started learning Chinese when I was 8. I asked him why he chose Chinese, which was unexpected to me, and he said “Because the Chinese are going to cost me my job and it is important to know your competition well. Two years later the textile factory where he worked went bankrupt because the Chinese flooded the market with their clothing.
The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is extremely impressive and it is moving on like a roller coaster ride. It is a multi trillion yuan global project involving every continent except North America, and most of humanity. China is developing Africa in a way which may help reduce African fertility rates earlier than previously imagined. This is huge! Uruguay’s main port and railroads are being modernized by the Chinese. Uruguay is farther from China than any other place on Earth, and a small, insignificant place, but the Chinese have been paying attention to us for decades. They are organized and systematic, and I expect the BRI to be a huge success story. This is win-win-win all the way around. Long live China!
Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 5:42 pm
“The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is extremely impressive and it is moving on like a roller coaster ride.”
To the bias eye yes, to the trained eye it is full of gaping holes.
“A New Direction for China’s Belt and Road”
https://tinyurl.com/yc2mqfpl
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:05 pm
Davy, you can be sinophobic, like your masters program you to be, but it doesn’t change facts. China is moving forward, building, not destroying. Just imagine if the US used its $800,000,000,000.+ military budget every year to build instead of destroy. It might not be failing as quickly as it is and you might have a positive future. Naw! TPTB want America taken down. That is why Trump is still president. LOL
BTW: Xi is in Manila today, moving the Philippines closer to China, while Trump is moving America away. A very good thing for Filipinos. But then, they have a great president who knows what is best for his country. The US doesn’t.
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:08 pm
JuanP, I have been following my neighbor, China, for the last 10+ years, since I moved next door. I like to get to know my neighbors. I have seen nothing negative in all that time. But then, I don’t read or watch the US MSM propaganda.
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:08 pm
Juan, I would really like to hear more about this:
“China is developing Africa in a way which may help reduce African fertility rates earlier than previously imagined.”
I think high fertility rates are one of the greatest problem in modern Africa, and any solution would be wellcome.
I would like to know what the chinese solution would be like. Maybe You could help with information that would clarify this.
Many methodes have been tried , and none have been succesfull untill now
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:33 pm
Mak
The Chinese “economic miracle” is built on a mountain of debt. As Chinese GDP grew over 12-fold in 20 years to $12.24 trillion at the end of 2017, credit in the Chinese financial system grew over 40-fold, taking the debt-to-GDP ratio from 100% to 400%, if one counts the shadow banking system. Shadow banking credit aggregates are omitted from official statistics, but they add at a minimum 100% to the total debt to GDP ratio for China (see this Brookings Institution paper).
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-coming-recession-has-pushed-oil-below-60-2018-11-13?link=sfmw_fb
you don’t see anything negative because you close your eyes..because you are willfully ignorant..
You are going to get hit with the two by four of reality when the oil shortage hits..China is going to fall hard..
JuanP on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:43 pm
Claes, China is providing funds and building infrastructure, like roads, railroads, dams, power plants, water purification plants, schools, ports, hospitals, etc. all over Africa. They are training people in healthcare, engineering, education, agriculture, etc., too. IMO, the best way to reduce fertility is to improve basic services and opportunities, particularly for women. By providing better access to healthcare, education, employment, and information at a reasonable cost for African women the Chinese are helping the cause.
There is also the fact that the West is changing its approach, too, because developing countries clearly prefer the Chinese approach, which systematically seeks to benefit all parties, fights corruption, and respects other nations’ sovereignty and independence. The BRI is already paying off for many countries. I will post more links on the subject in the future.
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:52 pm
Hey Juan, you wrote this, now explain it.
“China is developing Africa in a way which may help reduce African fertility rates earlier than previously imagined. THIS IS HUGE!”
Tell us how they will do it !!!
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:52 pm
MOB… America is sitting on the biggest mountain of debt in history. If the real numbers would be published, you would see that the petrodollar idea is all that is keeping the US alive. That support is being eaten away by the countries that are tired of being pushed around by the US. Soon it will fail and the US house of cards will collapse America into a life similar to Bangladesh, or worse. Keep sucking up that Koolaid. You masters love it when you do!
BTW: China is setting on over $3 Trillion in their bank account plus many thousands of tons of gold, the real money. Plus the US sends them over $250 billion per year in trade surplus, not to mention the billions in interest for over $1 trillion in USBs they hold.
The US is sitting on about $22 trillion of national debt and may not have any gold. The US is collapsing as we type. Ditto for the public, corporations and states. Mountains of unpayable debt. Printing a trillion dollars plus every year just to keep the country alive and every trillion diminishes YOUR buying power.
http://www.usadebtclock.com/
I’ll stick with China thank you, but keep paying your taxes so I get that SS money to spend on more preps for when it ends as the US collapse’. Soon, probably. LOL
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:52 pm
Mak
Your brain won’t allow you to believe the apocalypse could actually happen
https://io9.gizmodo.com/5848857/your-brain-wont-allow-you-to-believe-the-apocalypse-could-actually-happen
Davy on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:54 pm
Damn Juan. It really bites sucking hind tit. My Italian plan is looking better every day. I think I’ll give my mommy a call and get the Learjet warmed up.
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 6:55 pm
Mak
I have never denied the US has debt problems..The whole world does also as well..
The world is drowning in debt, warns Goldman Sachs
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11625406/The-world-is-drowning-in-debt-warns-Goldman-Sachs.html
China central bank chief warns of ‘Minsky moment’
https://www.ft.com/content/4bcb14c8-b4d2-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399
China’s grand plan hit by delays and debt fears
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Cover-Story/Is-China-s-Belt-and-Road-working-A-progress-report-from-eight-countries
China can only build so many ghost cities..And since they are the worlds largest oil importer..They are fucked..
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:06 pm
MOB, I believe that BAU is changing and will cause a lot of pain in the decades to come. What I do not believe is that the US will suffer LESS than others. THAT is your closed mind, not mine. I see the world with an open mind. I see the plus’ and minus’ in every country, especially my neighbors.
I made my decision 10+ years ago and have had no reason to regret or change it. The US has only gotten multiples of worse since I left. I see no good reason to return. Insanity rules there. That is what TPTB want and it is not going to stop or improve. I advise anyone who can to get out now.
You post articles I have already read about my neighbors. I know more about China than you know about Canada or Mexico. Americans believe they are immune to world events. Too bad. That 2X4 is fast approaching.
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:22 pm
MOB, Goldman Sachs posts are about like reading about Santa Claus. Beware of their “facts”. They cause the problems, not report them. They are one of the main drivers of the US destruction and the One World Government. Their upper management rotates between high posts in the US government and their GS home office. Check it out sometime, instead of trying to tear down China. You sound just like Davy.
ALWAYS check the writer’s qualifications. They write for a paycheck. See who signs it. Then you will have an idea of the spin. There is ALWAYS spin, even in the articles posted here on PO.
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:23 pm
Juan.China is develloping its presence in Africa, but to my knowledge they have no interrest in african demografics.
Juan says:
“China is developing Africa in a way which may help reduce African fertility rates earlier than previously imagined. THIS IS HUGE!”
I don’t think China gives a shit about african birth rates. All they want is a lot of african slaves in their new world empire.
JuanP on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:37 pm
The goal of the Chinese is to help other countries develop while benefitting, too. Everybody wins! The demographic change is a side benefit, but the Chinese goverment is very aware of it. The Chinese are considering the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by the UN General Assembly on 2015 in their BRI projects. Esentially, the Chinese believe that it is best for everybody if the whole world develops, particularly developing countries. It has positioned itself to facilitate this process on a global scale and benefit from doing it, too.
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:39 pm
Mak
The entire global economy is headed for collapse..You are just a scared old man who can’t handle the truth..
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:48 pm
claes, “All they want is a lot of african slaves in their new world empire”. I could reword that to say: “All the US wants is a lot of african slaves in their empire”.
After all the US has military in at least 12 African counries today. Didn’t you know that? And they don’t care about populations either, just power and resources.
“The War in Africa the U.S. Military Won’t Admit It’s Fighting”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryan-maygers/nick-turse-tomorrows-battlefield_b_7480360.html
“Where does the U.S. have troops in Africa, and why?”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/where-does-the-u-s-have-troops-in-africa-and-why/
“The US “Leading From Behind” in Africa Lets Russia “Lead From the Front””
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-leading-from-behind-in-africa-lets-russia-lead-from-the-front/5660096
Who is doing what to whom there?
China wants trade.
The US wants resources and power.
China buys their influence with depreciating US dollars.
The US tries to take it by military force with bloodshed and destruction. Who is moral?
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:48 pm
THe chinese are bying upp furtile land and water rights in africa. Just like the whities did. And guess who stands there with nothing.
The african nobility get rich and the plain africans get nothing . Fuck new chinese imperialism
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 7:50 pm
claes, read my above post and tell me who is immoral.
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 8:01 pm
Mak, some of us don’t want imperialism at all. The english and american colonialism wasn’t good. Do you want me to give the green light to chinese emperialism/colonialism.
NO WAY, the chinese are not one bit better than the others. You are naive when you think that the chinese are better than the others. Just look at Tibet and what ever the uyghurs contry is called.
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 9:12 pm
claes, “Chinese imperialism” is not going to make a difference as the world is headed for a One World Government, which will be worse.
China and Russia already endorse a One World Financial system run by the IMF. That is one step closer to the OWG.
It is the years between now and the OWG which will hurt the First World as there can be no ‘powers” in the OWG, just equality on a lower level across all 190+ countries.
Think about that. Today’s world average income (PPP) is about $17,000US. How does that compare to YOUR income? That, or something lower, will be the OWG income with the elite getting the most and you getting…
WIKI 2017:
#11 US – $59,500
#18 Sweden – $51,000
#53 Russia – $25,500
#76 China – $16,800
#113 Philippines – $8,400
#182 Central Africa Republic – $ 750
According to this list 75 countries have to shrink while 107 can grow. Who will feel the most pain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
The greatest pain will be those in the top 50 or so. The least in the lowest 100.
claes on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:15 pm
Mak,I don’t think you have read any of my resent post. I am a eco-fascist. I don’t give a damn if billions die, as long as the biosphere survives.
Mak says:“Chines imperialism” is not going to make a difference as the world is headed for a One World Government, which will be worse.”
The basic thing is that the Chinese and the Indians don’t understand that the biosphere is under threat and that general consumption and wellfare for billions of indians and chinese is the straight way to climate hell.
I’m sitting here in my western Taiga, pretending every thingh is all rigth, but it ain’t. India and china’s rise and wellfare will be the triggers for a coming world climate disaster.
Cloggie on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:32 pm
Juan is correct, the development of China is immense, it is the #1 geopolitical development of the 21st century. The dragon has been awakened and will soon replace the US as the next #1. The rise of China will dictate the formation of PBM, which in turn will offer a lifeline for European America.
https://documents1940.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/worldmap-multipolar-world.jpg
The new reality in a single picture:
https://deepresource.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/fall-empires2.jpg
The Chinese have a clear view of who the two new (old) giants are going to be:
https://goo.gl/images/Z7tzQg
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:42 pm
claes, I do not read any comments not on the list on the right when I come online. I do not go back and see what I missed.
I don’t see any hope for a livable ecosystem by 2100. You can be whatever you want but you are outnumbered a million to one.
YOU don’t understand that it is the West that is killing the planet. Not Asia or Africa. Look at the major consumers/wasters locations: the US, Canada, the EU, and Australia. The US, with <5% of the population, consumes over 25% of the world's resources. The EU is not far behind. That is why I champion its destruction.
Nothing will save the ecosystem or humans. It is at least 50 years too late. But, try if it makes you happy. Those billions dead may/will include you and your family. But, who cares?
Cloggie on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:45 pm
For people who post here via iPhone/iPad: your posting will never be the same againg:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6404965/This-life-changing-information-little-known-iPhone-hack-HALVE-texting-time.html
For years I have been cursing Apple for eliminating cursor keys, forcing one to retype complete words.
Turns out there are… or IS rather a cursor key:
press space and hold… and after the keyboard turns grey, you can move the cursor around by moving your finger around!
makati1 on Mon, 19th Nov 2018 10:47 pm
Cloggie, nice collection of graphics! I go along with them for the most part. But, if the One World crowd get their way, it will all be under one governing body. Probably the UN governing with the IMF running the financial side. That or a nuclear war that makes it all impossible. We shall see.
Cloggie on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 12:29 am
In wrapping up two centuries of Anglo dominance…
UK business warns Westmonster not to destroy relations with Europe:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6405889/CBI-boss-Carolyn-Fairbairn-backs-Theresa-Mays-Brexit-deal.html
Oh and then there is Gibraltar, that anachronistic leftover of the British empire of former fame, intentionally and completely destroyed… by the Americans (“special relationship”, in psychiatric circles aka Stockholm relationship). Spain wants it back, threatens to block Brexit. A glitch, probably:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6406145/Spain-warns-BLOCK-Brexit-deal-without-veto-Gibraltar.html
Old British “Balance of Power” reflexes coming alive again:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6407625/Defence-Secretary-declares-war-EU-leaders-calls-European-army-rival-Nato.html
The Europeans want to defend themselves, with an army, no less; let’s lay the continent to ruins once again. Start up the Spitfires!
/rolleyes
The DailyMail can’t really make up its mind about the course to follow in Britain, but then again, who in Britain can these days? Oh wait, here we have an old Brexiteer who knows best:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6408215/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-British-coup-looks-like.html
Actually he doesn’t, the piece ends in resignation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6405099/Tory-Eurosceptics-claim-force-no-confidence-vote-two-days.html
Vote of confidence still going nowhere. Not even fuming BoJo has signed The Letter.
And then there are the Northern Irish, a demographic entirely defined by the extent the Dutch army made inroads in the British Isles around 169x:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Boyne
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6407855/DUP-fires-warning-shots-MPs-REFUSE-Theresa-Mays-vital-budget-votes.html
To make matters worse, the DUPpers threaten to blow up the May government… and involuntarily (?) pave the way for a hyper-Marxist Corbyn government, who will certainly not back a hard-Brexit.
#BeerAndPopcorn
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:26 am
“I have seen nothing negative in all that time. But then, I don’t read or watch the US MSM propaganda.”
Words of a true binary agendist with bias and imbalance. When I see somebody say “I see nothing” That is what is really the case. Billy sees nothing but what he wants to see.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:33 am
“There is also the fact that the West is changing its approach, too, because developing countries clearly prefer the Chinese approach, which systematically seeks to benefit all parties, fights corruption, and respects other nations’ sovereignty and independence. The BRI is already paying off for many countries. I will post more links on the subject in the future.”
Nonsense, China is just another greedy empire mongering nation. It is already a partner with others fellow empires fighting it out in a multipolar world. Chinese investment is wrecking the planet and impoverishing nations at the benefit of Chinese state owned firms. We need sustainable development but not the Chinese kind or the Western kind. We need real green kind. Juan is a virulent anti-American and his positions have been clearly seen over many years. He cheerleads pariah nations like as if it is a football game. Nothing meaningful about that just a testament to binary positions.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:40 am
“You post articles I have already read about my neighbors. I know more about China than you know about Canada or Mexico. Americans believe they are immune to world events. Too bad. That 2X4 is fast approaching.”
BS, billy, tell us about the bric bank and the gold back Yuan. You think you are an expert on with China. I have posted numerous well documented articles on problems with China that you ignore. You think because you live in a little hamlet in the P’s you have your hand on the heartbeat of Asia. This is just plain nonsense. If you traveled and did business I would agree with you on a narrow range of interests. In your case you are no better than others here using google and surfing the net for your info.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:43 am
“ALWAYS check the writer’s qualifications. They write for a paycheck. See who signs it. Then you will have an idea of the spin. There is ALWAYS spin, even in the articles posted here on PO.”
LOL, says the guy that posts numerous article that all he checks on is if they are pro Asia an Anti-American. You look foolish to talk like that billy.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:47 am
“The goal of the Chinese is to help other countries develop while benefitting, too. Everybody wins!”
Everybody wins, LMFAO, the rich win and the Chinese state owned firms win who are increasingly spawning rich Chinese at the expense of the Chinese people and the host nation.
“Chinese believe that it is best for everybody if the whole world develops, particularly developing countries. It has positioned itself to facilitate this process on a global scale and benefit from doing it, too.”
Chinese are completely self-interested. It has happened that many have benefited but on the whole China is wrecking the planet in unbridled development and impoverishing nations with malinvestment.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:49 am
“The african nobility get rich and the plain africans get nothing . Fuck new chinese imperialism”
DITO
No different than the Europeans or Americans
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 1:53 am
“YOU don’t understand that it is the West that is killing the planet. Not Asia or Africa.”
The usual unbalanced point of view from billy. This is why billy disqualifies himself intellectually. You can’t root on your team and claim impartiality. We all have a little of it but billy, neder, and juan are completely into bias agenda.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:06 am
Not unbalanced. Fact. But you will deny anything negative about your bloody, child murdering terrorist country. The West consumes more resources than the other 6 billion people on this planet. Stats prove it.
Prove me wrong with reliable stats and references, Delusional Davy. Prove I am wrong or shut up. All you are is a lying trouble maker here.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:17 am
“Not unbalanced. Fact. But you will deny anything negative about your bloody, child murdering terrorist country.”
Nonsense, billy, I talk about negative US issues continually. I am on an anti-American site with a board that is mostly anti-American and extreme. This means to balance this nonsense from people like you I have to submit the other side that you deny and avoid. You guys are just cheerleading and you could give a shit about the truth.
“The West consumes more resources than the other 6 billion people on this planet. Stats prove it.”
Nonsense billy, your states are just deceptive per capita stats used in isolation to prove your narrow bias POV and they do not look at the wealthy and the mega-urban areas sucking in resources from across the globe especially Asia. You are so far into unreality it is pathetic. I agree the US overconsumes but there is little difference in any of the other Major economic powers. Every nation on earth has overconsumption sectors. You are just being a blind anti-American agendist.
“Prove me wrong with reliable stats and references, Delusional Davy. Prove I am wrong or shut up. All you are is a lying trouble maker here.”
Translation: Davy proved me wrong and I have no stats to offer.
Check this out billy as just one. I don’t have time to be your lap dog so go find your own stats:
“China Consumes Mind-Boggling Amounts of Raw Materials”
https://tinyurl.com/nb6a2aj
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:23 am
BTW: “China and India’s large consumer set constitutes only 16 percent of the region’s population, whereas in Europe the figure is 89 percent..
.While the consumer class thrives, great disparities remain. The 12 percent of the world’s population that lives in North America and Western Europe accounts for 60 percent of private consumption spending, while the one-third living in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa accounts for only 3.2 percent.”
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/810 (Nov.20, 2018)
Note: 60% Western vs 3.2% Asia/Africa. Who is wasting the planet? LOL
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:26 am
Financial house of cards
“A Daisy Chain Of Defaults”: How Debt Cross-Guarantees Could Spark China’s Next Crisis’
https://tinyurl.com/yan8b6yx
“Now, in a new development that links these seemingly unrelated developments, Bloomberg reports that debt cross-guarantees by Chinese firms have left the world’s third-largest bond market prone to contagion risks, which has made it “all the tougher for officials to follow through on initiatives to sustain credit flows”, i.e., the growing threat of unexpected cross- defaults is what is keeping China’s credit pipeline clogged up and has resulted in the collapse in new credit creation. The risk of cross-defaults is what also appears to be behind the recent official directive for banks to boost lending to private corporations. As Bloomberg explains, private companies have long had to be innovative in getting financing in Communist-run China, where state-owned enterprises have had preferential access to the banking system. Extending guarantees to each other helped businesses boost some lenders’ confidence enough to extend funding to them. While this was not a concern when times were good, now that China is going through a record run of debt defaults, these often opaque and hard-to-follow links pose the risk of “a daisy chain of distress” with price moves are reflecting that.”
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:28 am
“China Consumes Mind-Boggling Amounts of Raw Materials”
And where do they go? Exports to the West who used to make them themselves. If the US made what it imports, it would use even more resources. The US is a trash country.
You are grasping for straws, Davy. You have hours to waste trying to put everyone down who does not agree with you, (99% of us), but you cannot be bothered to back up you bullshit with references? Did you always tell the teacher that your dog ate your homework? LMAO!
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:29 am
“BTW: “China and India’s large consumer set constitutes only 16 percent of the region’s population, whereas in Europe the figure is 89 percent..”
BTW: Asia has 4.5BIL people with a rapidly growing consumption. You can’t have it both ways billy. You want your cake and eat it. In real life it does not work that way
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:31 am
“Use It and Lose It: The Outsize Effect of U.S. Consumption on the Environment”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/american-consumption-habits/
“Use It and Lose It: The Outsize Effect of U.S. Consumption on the Environment
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Dear EarthTalk: I read that a single child born in the U.S. has a greater effect on the environment than a dozen children born in a developing country? Can you explain why?—Josh C., via e-mail
It is well known that Americans consume far more natural resources and live much less sustainably than people from any other large country of the world. “A child born in the United States will create thirteen times as much ecological damage over the course of his or her lifetime than a child born in Brazil,” reports the Sierra Club’s Dave Tilford, adding that the average American will drain as many resources as 35 natives of India and consume 53 times more goods and services than someone from China.”
Come on Davy. Where is your referenced rebuttal?
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:36 am
Davy, it doesn’t matter if it has 10B if they do not consume.
” American fossil fuel consumption is double that of the average resident of Great Britain and two and a half times that of the average Japanese. Meanwhile, Americans account for only five percent of the world’s population but create half of the globe’s solid waste….
“With less than 5 percent of world population, the U.S. uses one-third of the world’s paper, a quarter of the world’s oil, 23 percent of the coal, 27 percent of the aluminum, and 19 percent of the copper,” he reports. “Our per capita use of energy, metals, minerals, forest products, fish, grains, meat, and even fresh water dwarfs that of people living in the developing world.””
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/american-consumption-habits/
Trashy Americans. The collapse will end that.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:36 am
“Come on Davy. Where is your referenced rebuttal?”
Billy, what part of global overpopulation and overconsumption do you fail to understand? I am not defending the west that is and has overconsumed, I am calling into question your hilarious view it is all the wests fault. This is just non science and totally bias.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:43 am
Billy instead of looking at nations you have to look at regions, sectors, and population groups in a globalized world. You are so far into bias it is disgusting. You can’t point finger at the US without looking at Asia. This is blindness. You can per capita this to death but the facts are that The Asian middle class is approaching the population of the US along with consumption levels. Add to that unbridled consumption with little respect for the environment. This you are unwilling to look at yet you constantly brag about it on the side of who is rising and who is falling. You are completely lost in your self-delusions.
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:47 am
“And where do they go? Exports to the West who used to make them themselves. If the US made what it imports, it would use even more resources. The US is a trash country.”
Ahh, none of that goes to Asia and emerging markets??? LMFAO. Again billy is trying to support an unsupportable position that it is all the west’s fault. Asia does not consume and when they do it “ALL” goes to the west??? Are you drinking already this afternoon?
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 2:54 am
Davy, where are your references? You can spout bullshit all day, as usual, but you cannot disprove my assertions. You are a sinophobe who is afraid his world is moving east, and it is. The only way to stop it is for America to become isolationist. Be patient, Trump is working on it. Of course, it means the total collapse of the US, but, hey…whatever it takes. LOL
Davy on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 3:08 am
“Davy, where are your references?”
References for what billy? Your request is about as broad as the Pacific ocean. Like I said I don’t have the time to be your lap dog and google brat. I have refuted your position hundreds of times with my personal commentary and references. BTW, when I reference it has content with explanations. You on the other hand use one-liners like “slip slidin” or the beat goes on BS. Wow that is intellectually stimulating. Used to be pass the popcorn and nuff said or “<” BS. You are a real wind dinger of a senile old man that just won’t stop.
You can spout bullshit all day, as usual, but you cannot disprove my assertions.
I just did billy with multiple comments. Your position is Asia does not consume and the west does. The consumption Asia does all goes to the west. Billy, that is absurd and you know it. You lost this argument. Do like you do and get off here when I rub your nose in your shit. LIKE I have said I am not defending the west with overpopulation and overconsumption but I will be damned if I listen to you tell me it’s all our fault. Screw that and get a brain. You have been living this unreality now for years and it is really old.
“You are a sinophobe who is afraid his world is moving east, and it is.”
Nonsense, I am pointing out Chinese failings and wrongs. You and your anti-American buddies want the whole conversation to be about it is all the US fault and Asia especially China is the savior. You don’t look at these issues scientifically you cheerlead an extreme agenda.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Nov 2018 3:47 am
Davy, why, references to rebut my above assertion which is quite narrow if you pay attention. What don’t you understand about the West consuming 60% of the worlds resources and being less than 1/4 of the world’s population? The Us producing 50% of the world’s trash. Mind going? Too much moonshine?