Page added on January 8, 2015
The price of oil is down. How should we expect the economy to perform in 2015 and 2016?
Newspapers in the United States seem to emphasize the positive aspects of the drop in prices. I have written Ten Reasons Why High Oil Prices are a Problem. If our only problem were high oil prices, then low oil prices would seem to be a solution. Unfortunately, the problem we are encountering now is extremely low prices. If prices continue at this low level, or go even lower, we are in deep trouble with respect to future oil extraction.
It seems to me that the situation is much more worrisome than most people would expect. Even if there are some temporary good effects, they will be more than offset by bad effects, some of which could be very bad indeed. We may be reaching limits of a finite world.
The Nature of Our Problem with Oil Prices
The low oil prices we are seeing are a symptom of serious problems within the economy–what I have called “increased inefficiency” (really diminishing returns) leading to low wages. See my post How increased inefficiency explains falling oil prices. While wages have been stagnating, the cost of oil extraction has been increasing by about ten percent a year, described in my post Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending.
Needless to say, stagnating wages together with rapidly rising costs of oil production leads to a mismatch between:
The fact that oil prices were not rising enough to support the higher extraction costs was already a problem back in February 2014, at the time the article Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending was written. (The drop in oil prices did not start until June 2014.)
Two different debt-related initiatives have helped cover up the growing mismatch between the cost of extraction and the amount consumers could afford:
Both of these programs have been scaled-back significantly since June 2014, with US QE ending its taper in October 2014, and Chinese debt programs undergoing greater controls since early 2014. Chinese new home prices have been dropping since May 2014.
The effect of scaling back both of these programs in the same timeframe has been like a driver taking his foot off of the gasoline pedal. The already slowing world economy slowed further, bringing down oil prices. The prices of many other commodities, such as coal and iron ore, are down as well. Instead of oil prices staying up near the cost of extraction, they have fallen closer to the level consumers can afford. Needless to say, this is not good if the economy really needs the use of oil and other commodities.
It is not clear that either the US QE program or the Chinese program of infrastructure building can be restarted. Both programs were reaching the limits of their usefulness. At some point, additional funds begin going into investments with little return–buildings that would never be occupied or shale operations that would never be profitable. Or investments in Emerging Markets that cannot be profitable without higher commodity prices than are available today.
First Layer of Bad Effects
In total, eventually we are likely to experience a much worse situation than we did in the 2007-2009 period, although this may not be evident at first. It will be only over a period of time, after some of the initial “dominoes fall” that we will see what is really happening. Initially, economies of oil importing countries may appear to be doing fairly well, thanks to low oil prices. It will be later that the adverse impacts begin to take over, and eventually dominate.
Major Concerns
Inability to restart oil supply, even if prices should temporarily rise. The production of oil from US shale formations has been enabled by very low interest rates. If there is a major round of debt defaults by the shale industry, interest rates are unlikely to fall back to previously low levels. Because of the higher interest rates, oil prices will have to rise to an even a higher price than required in the past–in other words, to more than $100 barrel, say $125 to $140 barrel. There will also be a lag in restarting production, meaning that high prices will need to be maintained for some time. Bringing oil prices to a high level for a long time seems impossible without crashing the economies of oil importers. See my post, Ten Reasons Why High Oil Prices are a Problem.
Derivatives and Securitized Debt Defaults. The last time we had problems with these types of financial instruments was 2008. Governments around the world made huge payments to banks and other financial institutions, in order to bail them out of their difficulties. The financial services firm Lehman Brothers was allowed to go bankrupt.
Governments have declared that if this happens again, they will do things differently. Instead of bailing institutions out, they will make changes that will make these events less likely to happen. They will also make changes in how shortfalls are funded. In many cases, the result will be a bail-in, where depositors share in the losses by “haircuts” to their deposits.
Unfortunately, from what I can see, the changes governments have made are basically too little, too late. The new sharing of losses will have as bad, or worse, impacts on the economy than the previous government bailouts of banks. Regulators do not seem to understand that models used in pricing derivatives and securitized debt are not designed for a finite world. The models appear to work reasonably well when the economy is distant from limits. Once the economy gets close to limits, many more adverse events occur than the models would have predicted, potentially causing huge problems for the system.1
What we are likely to be encountering now is a combination of defaults of many kinds simultaneously–derivatives, securitized debt, and “ordinary” debt. Many of these risks will be shared among institutions, so that banking problems will be widespread. The sizes of the losses are likely to be very large. Businesses may find that funds intended for payroll or needed to pay suppliers are subject to haircuts. How can they operate in such a situation?
It is even possible that accounts under deposit insurance limits will be subject to haircuts. While deposit insurance is available in theory, the amount held in reserve is not very great. It could easily be exhausted by a few large claims (the scenario in Iceland a few years ago). If governments choose not to make up for shortfalls in funding of the insurance programs, the shortfalls could end up with depositors.
Peak Oil. There seems to be a distinct possibility that we will be reaching the peak in world oil supply very soon–2014 or 2015, or even 2016. The way we reach this peak though, is different from what most people imagined: low oil prices, rather than high oil prices. Low oil prices are brought about by low wages and the inability to add sufficient new debt to offset the low wages. Because the issue is one of affordability, nearly all commodities are likely to be affected, including fossil fuels other than oil. In some sense, the issue is that a financial crash is bringing down the financial system, and is bringing commodities of all kinds with it.
Figure 2 shows an estimate of future energy production of various types. The steep downslope is likely because of the financial problems we are headed into.2
A major point of this chart is that all fuels are likely to decline simultaneously, because the cause is financial. For example, how does an oil company or a coal company continue to operate, if it cannot pay its employees and suppliers because of bank-related problems?
Our Long-Term Debt Problem. Long-term debt is an important part of our current system because (a) it enables buyers to afford products, and (b) it helps keep commodity prices high enough to encourage extraction. Unfortunately, long-term debt seems to require economic growth, so that we can repay debt with interest.
Economists conjecture that economic growth can continue, even if the extraction of fossil fuels and other commodities declines (as in Figure 2). But how likely is this in practice? Without fossil fuels, we can exchange baby-sitting services and we can give each other back rubs, but how much can we really do to grow the economy?
Almost any economic activity we can think of requires the use of petroleum or electricity and the use of commodities such as iron and copper. A more realistic view would seem to be that without the materials we generally use, our economy is likely to shrink. With this shrinkage, long-term debt will become increasingly impossible. This is one of the big problems we are encountering.
Our Physics Problem. Politicians and businesses of all types would like to advance the idea that our economy will continue forever; the politicians and businesses of every kind are in charge. Everything will turn out well.
Unfortunately, history is littered with examples of civilizations that hit diminishing returns, and then collapsed. Research indicates that the when early economies underwent collapse, the shape of the decline wasn’t straight down–declines tended to take a period of years. Not everyone died, either.
Physics gives us a reason as to why such a pattern is to be expected. Physics tells us that civilizations are dissipative structures. The world we live in is an open system, receiving energy from the sun. Examples of other dissipative structures include galaxy systems, the solar system, the lives of plants and animals, and hurricanes. They are born, grow, and eventually stop dissipating energy and die. New dissipative structures often arise, if sufficient energy sources are available to dissipate. Thus, there may be new economies in the future.
We would like to think that we can stop this process, but it is not clear that we can. Perhaps economies are expected to reach limits and eventually collapse. It is only if economies can add large amounts of inexpensive energy resources (for example, by discovering how to make use of fossil fuels, or by discovering a less-settled area of the world, or even by adding China to the World Trade Organization in 2001) that this scenario can be put off.
What Can We Do?
Renewable energy is has recently been advertised as the solution to nearly all of our problems. If my analysis of our problems is correct, renewable energy is not a solution to our problems. I mentioned earlier that adding China to the World Trade Organization in 2001 temporarily helped solve world energy problems, with its ramp up of coal production after joining (note bulge in coal consumption after 2001 in Figure 5). In comparison, the impact of non-hydro renewables has been barely noticeable in the whole picture.
Guaranteed prices for renewable energy are likely to be an increasing problem, as the cost of fossil fuel energy falls, and as buyers become increasingly unable to afford high energy prices. Issues with banks, making it difficult to pay employees and suppliers, are likely to be a problem whether an energy company uses renewable energy sources or not.
The only renewable energy sources that may be helpful in the long term are one that do not require buying goods from a distance, and thus do not require the use of banks. Trees growing in a local forest might be an example of such renewable energy.
Another solution to the problems we are reaching would seem to be figuring out a new financial system. Unfortunately, debt–and in fact growing debt–seems to be essential to our current system. We can’t extract fossil fuels without a debt-based system, in part because debt allows profits to be moved forward, and thus lightens the burden of paying for products made with a fossil-fuel based system. If a financial system uses only on the accumulated profits of a system without fossil fuels, it can expand only very slowly. See my post Why Malthus Got His Forecast Wrong. Local currency systems have also been suggested, but they don’t fix the problem of, say, electricity companies not being able to pay their suppliers at a distance.
Adding more debt, or taking steps to hold interest rates even lower, is probably the closest we can come to a reasonable way of temporarily putting off financial collapse. It is not clear where more debt can be added, though. The reason current debt programs are being discontinued is because, after a certain level of expansion, they primarily seem to create stock market bubbles and encourage investments that can never pay back adequate returns.
One possible solution is that a small number of people with survivalist skills will make it through the bottleneck, in order to start civilization over again. Some of these individuals may be small-scale farmers. The availability of cheap, easy to use, local energy is likely to be a limiting factor on population size, however. World population was one billion or less before the widespread use of fossil fuels.
We don’t have much time to fix our problems. In the timeframe we are looking at, the only other solution would seem to be a religious one. I don’t know exactly what it would be; I am not a believer in The Rapture. There is great order underlying our current system. If the universe was formed in a big bang, there was no doubt a plan behind it. We don’t know exactly what the plan for the future is. Perhaps what we are encountering is some sort of change or transformation that is in the best interests of mankind and the planet. More reading of religious scriptures might be in order. We truly live in interesting times!
73 Comments on "The Limits Of A Finite World In 2015-16"
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 2:08 pm
Juan,
“Some of those prophets definitely appear to have seen things that contemporary science can’t explain.”
Many of our ‘scientists’, at least those exploring quantum physics, have come full circle so to speak. Even the Higgs Boson is commonly referred to as the ‘God particle’.
Davy on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 2:31 pm
Greg, I have 2 inch thick soap stone around my wood stove as the heat shield. Work great as a heat sink. I would love to see that fireplace of your friends.
I put some ashes in the garden but you have to be careful not to burn the soil much like too much fertilizer. I am amazed after a field burn how lush the pasture is. I love fire. Today I am on the skid steer building brush piles to burn soon.
Fire purifys so I never understood why fire is the devils only friend. It seems to me fire leaves no sin. In any case I am a pyro and proud of it. It will be something I can use as a post modern pasture management tool and home heat source. I want to be burned on a funeral pyre.
Speculawyer on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 2:33 pm
“High oil prices are bad. And low oil prices are bad. ****Both are good and both are bad. Each comes with a set of positives and a set of negatives.****”
Exactly! But if you only focus on the bad of high & low prices and never the good of high & low prices, you are not getting a good objective view of things.
Davy on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:04 pm
Spec, our global economy is fragile and unable to enjoy the luxury of extremes. The extremes are a manifestation of disequilibrium. The extremes are an omen for a massive bifurcation due eventually. That time frame is debatable but the facts point to it. A healthy economy can tolerate extremes. We are not in a healthy economy by a long shot.
bobinget on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:06 pm
Try to limit magic thinking when making important decisions. Save magic for fantasy.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:29 pm
Spec,
As I see it, there are 3 different ways to look at things, positively, negatively, or realistically. You are focussing on either a positive, or a negative view of things. The reality of our situation is that we face a predicament, one solution may have a ‘more’ positive outcome than the other, but realistically both outcomes are negative.
If oil prices were to actually become low, which they haven’t yet compared to historical prices, BAU continues until we cause a runaway greenhouse event. IE human extinction. Negative.
If oil prices stay at high levels, our economies collapse, and billions of people either kill each other off, or starve to death. Also negative.
While one choice does have a ‘more’ positive outcome, they are both still overall negative. That is the reality of our predicament.
jjhman on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:38 pm
With a whole comments section revolving around religion I have to add my two cents about the lunatics killing the French cartoonists yesterday in the name of Islam.
I was so outraged I couldn’t help thinking what the Romans would have done: gather up about 10,000 French Muslims and crucify them, lined up on all the roads leading into Paris.
Then I thought “Oh crap, that’s the style of our somewhat more recent Germans, didn’t do them much good either”..Sometimes you don’t wanna think what you think.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:44 pm
Ya Davy,
I have come to the conclusion that I am also a ‘pyro’. I determined that hanging out with my son in law to be and his buddies. They are all firefighters, and self proclaimed ‘pyros’ themselves. They enjoy burning stuff as much as, if not more than, putting fires out. Interesting.
Davy on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:49 pm
JJ, sometimes the numbers are skewed towards higher or lower valued people. I bet 12 Syrians died during the same time frame. What is a Syrian peasants value in comparison to a bunch of journalists. In America gun violence dewarfs those killed by the terrorist. I understand why people are outraged but I wonder if this outrage is just more deception to the reality of our mortality. We unrealistically think there is existential security in civilization but in reality civilization kills as demonstrated in this case by religion.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 3:53 pm
jjh,
While the actions of the three terrorist fucks are complete reprehensible, continuing to poke a wild animal with a stick after it has growled at you and bared it’s teeth is downright stupid.
Rightly or wrongly, if you play with fire, you will eventually get burned. If you do not wish to get burned, don’t play with fire to begin with, or be prepared to face the consequences.
J-Gav on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:17 pm
GregT – Those native are the ones to go to in these times, I would say.
J-Gav on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:18 pm
Natives cultures I meant of course …
J-Gav on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:25 pm
JJ – There will be blood. Despite the massive, calm and measured tone of reactions so far here in France, mark my words – there will be uncontrollable retaliation. I know the French and up with this they will not put, for better or for worse … Anti-muslim slogans are already appearing all over Paris, including in my own street.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:30 pm
Arthur who used to post regularly here ( where for art thou Arthur?), said that multi-culturalism would eventually lead to societal unrest. I always disagreed with him in the hopes that human beings were capable of getting along. Now I’m not so sure. Arthur may have been correct all along.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:50 pm
“GregT – Those native are the ones to go to in these times, I would say.”
Sadly J-Gav, those natives aren’t so keen on white people anymore. I don’t blame them.
antaris on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 4:54 pm
Greg
About 4 years ago I put my Christmas tree out on the front lawn in New Westminster.A match and 15 seconds later it was gone. Carla across the street thought I was insane. Her husband the firefighter told me I should have called him, so he could come see it burn!
ghung on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 5:30 pm
Masonry wood heaters (Finish/Siberian/Russian) have been around for a long time. If my current Hearthstone (soapstone) wasn’t working so well I would be building one like this:
http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com/Home_Building/Masonry_Stove_Plans.pdf
also: http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com/Home_Building/Masonry_Fireplaces.htm
I helped a buddy build his, and at my suggestion, we incorporated a steel pipe grate that the intake air enters through, getting super-heated before entering the secondary combustion zone (see the diagram in second link). The little brick oven holds heat so well his wife can bake bread hours after a good, hot burn. Cut his wood consumption by 2/3.
Davy on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 6:54 pm
We should have a debate about free speech. These folks that are launching free speech attacks on dangerous groups are creating a climate of conflict. We should admit a significant amount of free speech today is deceptive. Hollywood is a cancer on our social fabric. Wall Street and the political operatives are using free speech as a manipulative tool. Free speech is great in a sane society but not in an insane one. Yet, I have no answers for this dilemma. Censorship is equally dangerous.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 10:13 pm
Awesome links Ghung,
Saved for future consideration. Thanks.
GregT on Thu, 8th Jan 2015 10:24 pm
“Free speech is great in a sane society but not in an insane one. Yet, I have no answers for this dilemma. Censorship is equally dangerous.”
Then leave things as they stand. If you are repeatedly warned that you are offending people, and you continue to do so, you may, or may not pay the consequences. Either that, or we round up all of the people that are offended, and imprison them before they go AWOL.
IDK Davy. At some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. If someone told me that they were offended by my words or actions, I wouldn’t keep pissing them off as a matter of principle. IMO that would be disrespectful.
Makati1 on Fri, 9th Jan 2015 2:06 am
Multicultural areas/countries may work in the good times, but when the going gets tough, the blame (and bullets) starts flying. We send our citizens on multiple tours of duty where hell is a second away and then expect them to come home and be “normal”.
I just read that many returning vets are joining local police forces to vent their frustration and anger. After you shoot a hundred plus human pop-up-targets in some far country, it is probably easy to kill your neighbor. Especially if he resembles that “enemy”.
As for religion … that has been an irrational source of hate and wars for thousands of years and is NOT going to change because we are “civilized” now.
Davy on Fri, 9th Jan 2015 5:55 am
Greg, I have thought often about your point on free speech aggravating and offending people. When it is directed at violent minded people like the radicals of any religion and regimes like NK I feel that is bad policy. Somehow that should be discouraged. This should be done by social action not censorship. Censorship is like power and corrupts. I agree with the statement actions have consequences something lacking in the current BAU mindset. These offending people in a sense deserved what they get. Often their warped message is incorrect as was partially the case with latest French situation. I also say damn radical Muslims who destroy Christian, Shia, and Buddhist churches, mosques and shrines. You moron hypocrites are animals.
I also hate the free speech from Hollywood that is like junk food consumption killing our social fabric. The political attack ads and the PAC messages are despicable and are subverting the constitution. This has been fully legalized by the Supreme Court and represent a trampling of the constitution IMO. This is just another example disregard for the intentions of our founders in the name of greed and deception. It is an example of capitalism and democracy in decline.
kosoman on Fri, 9th Jan 2015 1:14 pm
Just putting this hear, quite an interesting lecture on how religions actually protected nature, and that, with the destruction of religions, modern man has essentially destroyed himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYzI652Dzk