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Some of the media, government elites, and the financial world knew the 2008 financial crash was imminent but feigned surprise in public while planning their exit strategies and wargaming how to manage and manipulate the crisis to protect their power (not just more profits). The financial meltdown is not a cyclical recession, it is a permanent economic shift. The End of Growth transcends ideologies and partisan politics.
Now that we are at Peak Everything we need to move beyond Peak Denial and Peak Blame to equitably share the shrinking economic pie. Even if transnational corporations were converted into democratic, locally owned cooperatives, we have still overshot Earth’s carrying capacity.
The dominant paradigm teaches money is the most important value, energy conservation and ecological sanity are nice if we can afford them.
Most of the environmental movement has embraced the concept of the Triple Bottom Line, which suggests that the economy needs to consider ecology and social justice issues. While it is good to factor these into economic decisions, the deeper truth is the environment makes the economy possible. Energy creates money, not the other way around. No jobs on a dead planet.
It is probably not a coincidence that many of the political voices calling attention to the problems of fiat currency, the Federal Reserve and other structural problems rarely mention the underlying ecological limits – and worse, some of them seem fixated on Jewish bankers who allegedly run the world.
We need to weave together social justice advocates with understanding of how fiat money is created and that we have reached the limits to infinite growth on a finite planet.
![]() The Very Big Corporation of America from Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life |
www.peakchoice.org/peak-electricity.html
Renewables for a Steady State Economy by Mark Robinowitz
Using solar energy for twenty years (and wind power for ten) taught me that renewable energy could only run a smaller, steady state economy. Our exponential growth economy requires ever increasing consumption of concentrated resources (fossil fuels are more energy dense than renewables). A solar energy society would require moving beyond growth-and-debt based money.
After fossil fuel we will only have solar power, but that won’t replace what we use now. We need to abandon the myth of endless growth on a round, and therefore, finite planet to have a planet on which to live. Will we use the remaining fossil fuels to make lots of solar panels and relocalize food production instead of waging Peak Oil Wars?
from Extraenvironmentalist.com – interview conducted at Northwest Permaculture gathering, October 2012
permaculture design, steady state economics, peak money, solar energy, limits to growth
www.peakchoice.org/audio/interview-mark-robinowitz.mp3
15 minutes, 33 megabytes

from the ASPO-USA Peak Oil Notes, October 29, 2009
Association for the Study of Peak Oil
www.aspousa.org
Quote of the day:
“(Steven Chu, US Secretary of Energy) was my boss. He knows all about peak oil, but he can’t talk about it. If the government announced that peak oil was threatening our economy, Wall Street would crash. He just can’t say anything about it.”
— David Fridley, scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, quoted in an article by Lionel Badal (see Peak Oil News, 10/28, item #23)
Nicole Foss
“A steady state economy can be compared to a mature forest ecosystem. The forest does not grow in aerial extent, but it is a complex, dynamic, and evolving system.”
“Once you realize that this cheap, abundant, easy oil isn’t there, that tells you that virtually every company quoted on the stock market is now overvalued.”
www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/newsletter95_200811.pdf
“future historians will probably look back and see this as one of the great turning points for mankind. In short, debt has been premised on eternal economic growth based on flat-earth economic principles, without recognising that the growth depends on cheap energy that will no longer be available after the peak of oil production as imposed by Nature.”
“as we move beyond the age of oil and beyond the economy that is driven by the age of oil, we enter an entirely new world – there really are frankly no experts anywhere who can come forward and say exactly what we do in this situation – it is entirely new to everybody’s experience – there are no investors who can say this is a good investment in this situation, there are no politicians who can say this is how we should behave in this situation, even in a humble business way there is no business that can plan its future because every single aspect of its future is going to change and so we are left with a sort of vacuum”
— Colin Campbell, founder of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil www.peakoil.net
quoted in “Peak Oil: Imposed by Nature”
www.resilience.org/stories/2015-06-03/the-era-of-breakdown
John Michael Greer
….
The problem we face today, in the United States and more broadly throughout the world’s industrial societies, is that all the institutions of industrial civilization presuppose limitless economic growth, but the conditions that provided the basis for continued economic growth simply aren’t there any more. The 300-year joyride of industrialism was made possible by vast and cheaply extractable reserves of highly concentrated fossil fuels and other natural resources, on the one hand, and a biosphere sufficiently undamaged that it could soak up the wastes of human industry without imposing burdens on the economy, on the other. We no longer have either of those requirements.
With every passing year, more and more of the world’s total economic output has to be diverted from other activities to keep fossil fuels and other resources flowing into the industrial world’s power plants, factories, and fuel tanks; with every passing year, in turn, more and more of the world’s total economic output has to be diverted from other activities to deal with the rising costs of climate change and other ecological disruptions. These are the two jaws of the trap sketched out more than forty years ago in the pages of The Limits to Growth, still the most accurate (and thus inevitably the most savagely denounced) map of the predicament we face. The consequences of that trap can be summed up neatly: on a finite planet, after a certain point—the point of diminishing returns, which we’ve already passed—the costs of growth rise faster than the benefits, and finally force the global economy to its knees.
The task ahead of us is thus in some ways the opposite of the one that France faced in the aftermath of 1789. Instead of replacing a sclerotic and failing medieval economy with one better suited to a new era of industrial expansion, we need to replace a sclerotic and failing industrial economy with one better suited to a new era of deindustrial contraction.
“it’s a cold political reality that today no candidate can win election on a platform that respects the laws of physics on a finite planet.”
— Dave Gardner, “Who Will Get This Economy Moving? No One,” Nov 05, 2012
www.growthbusters.org/2012/11/who-will-get-this-economy-moving-no-one/
“The End of Growth”
www.postcarbon.org
from The End of Suburbia (2004) DVD
Chapter 8
Richard Heinberg, author, “The Party’s Over”
the consequences of global oil peak for the average family may not be immediately apparent
because energy prices and the economy are so closely intertwined, that would probably result in an economic recession.
the underlying direction of events would be toward decreased economic activity because there would be less energy available to fuel economic activity
people would be wondering why we’re in recession after recession and why every recession seems to be a little bit worse than the last one
it takes longer to get out of it and then we never quite get out of the recession
until finally it would come to the point after a few years where the recession would turn into an economic depression
and in this case it will be one that never ends
David Holmgren, the co-orginator of permaculture, is author of Future Scenarios: How Communities can adapt to Peak Oil and Climate Change.
“Economic recession is the only proven mechanism for a rapid reduction of greenhouse gas emissions
… most of the proposals for mitigation from Kyoto to the feverish efforts to construct post Kyoto solutions have been framed in ignorance of Peak Oil. As Richard Heinberg has argued recently, proposals to cap carbon emissions annually, and allowing them to be traded, rely on the rights to pollute being scarce relative to the availability of the fuel. Actual scarcity of fuel may make such schemes irrelevant.”
— www.futurescenarios.org“Awareness of Climate Change by the media and general public is obviously running well ahead of awareness about Peak Oil, but there are interesting differences in this general pattern when we look more closely at those involved in the money and energy industries. Many of those involved in money and markets have begun to rally around Climate Change as an urgent problem that can be turned into another opportunity for economic growth (of a green economy). These same people have tended to resist even using the term Peak Oil, let alone acknowledging its imminent occurrence. Perhaps this denial comes from an intuitive understanding that once markets understand that future growth is not possible, then it’s game over for our fiat system of debt-based money.”
— David Holmgren, co-originator of permaculture
“Money vs. Fossil energy: the battle to control the world”
www.holmgren.com.auDavid Holmgren (co-originator of permaculture) has some of the best understanding of energy issues.
podcast February 12, 2014
http://c-realm.com/podcasts/crealm/401-psycho-social-debt-jubilee/
401: Psycho-social Debt Jubilee
KMO welcomes permaculture co-originator David Holmgren to the C-Realm Podcast to discuss two of his essays: Money Vs Fossil Energy: the Battle for Control of the World and Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future. David has been tracking the onset of climate change and peak oil for many years, but he says that in recent years, largely due to the work of Steve Keen and Nicole Foss, he has come to see financial systems as the fastest moving and most volatile element in emerging global crisis. He describes why he considers the Bush administration to have been guided by a certain energy realism lacking in too many social and climate activists. Finally, he describes why he thinks that multiple generations of mass affluence has left us saddled with a psycho-social debt that will be very difficult for us to discharge.“The dip in global emissions created by the 2008 global financial crisis was ignored by the climate activist community as an inconvenient truth.”
“Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future,” by David Holmgren (co-originator of permaculture)
http://holmgren.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Crash-on-demand.pdf
excerpt from Richard Heinberg, “The Party’s Over,” pp. 91-92, discussing M. King Hubbert, the geologist who first figured out the math behind Peak Oil. Hubbert predicted in 1956 that the USA would peak around 1970, he was pilloried for this but the USA did peak in 1970. Hubbert later predicted that the world would peak in the mid 1990s, but then cautioned this might get pushed back a decade due to the oil shock of 1973, which is what happened. Hubbert initially thought nuclear power would be the post-fossil fuel solution but changed his mind and said solar energy was the answer, but this would require giving up exponential growth and learning to live within natural limits on a finite planet. — Mark
Hubbert immediately grasped the vast economic and social implications of this information [Peak Oil]. He understood the role of fossil fuels in the creation of the modern industrial world, and thus foresaw the wrenching transition that would likely occur following the peak in global extraction rates. …
The world’s present industrial civilization is handicapped by the coexistence of two universal, overlapping, and incompatible intellectual systems: the accumulated knowledge of the last four centuries of the properties and interrelationships of matter and energy; and the associated monetary culture which has evolved from folkways of prehistoric origin.
The first of these two systems has been responsible for the spectacular rise, principally during the last two centuries, of the present industrial system and is essentially for its continuance. The second, an inheritance from the prescientific past, operates by rules of its own having little in common with those of the matter-energy system. Nevertheless, the monetary system, by means of a loose coupling, exercises a general control over the matter-energy system upon which it is superimposed.
Despite their inherent incompatibilities, these two systems during the last two centuries have had one fundamental characteristic in common, namely exponential growth, which has made a reasonably stable coexistence possible. But, for various reasons, it is impossible for the matter-energy system to sustain exponential growh for more than a few tens of doublings, and this phase is by now almost over. The monetary system has no such constraints, and, according to one of its most fundamental rules, it must continue to grow by compound interest.Hubbert thus believed that society, if it is to avoid chaos during the energy decline, must give up its antiquated, debt-and-interest-based monetary system and adopt a system of accounts based on matter-energy — an inherently ecological system that would acknowledge the finite nature of essential resources.
Hubbert was quoted as saying we are in a “crisis in the evolution of human society. It’s unique to both human and geologic history. It has never happened before and it can’t possibly happen again. You can only use oil once. You can only use metals once. Soon all the oil is going to be burned and all the metals mined and scattered.”
Statements like this one gave Hubbert the popular image of a doomsayer. Yet he was not a pessimist, indeed, on occasion he could assume the role of utopian seer. We have, he believed, the necessary know-how, all we need do is overhaul our culture and find an alternative to money. If society were to develop solar-energy technologies, reduce its population and its demands on resources, and develop a steady-state economy to replace the present one based on unending growth, our species’ future could be rosy indeed. “We are not starting from zero,” he emphasized. “We have an enormous amount of existing technical knowledge. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. We still have great flexibility but our maneuverability will diminish with time.”
www.hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/monetary.htm
“Two Intellectual Systems: Matter-energy and the Monetary Culture”
(summary, by M. King Hubbert)
During a 4-hour interview with Stephen B Andrews, SbAndrews at worldnet.att.net, on March 8, 1988, Dr. Hubbert handed over a copy of the following, which was the subject of a seminar he taught, or participated in, at MIT Energy Laboratory on Sept 30, 1981.
“The world’s present industrial civilization is handicapped by the coexistence of two universal, overlapping, and incompatible intellectual systems: the accumulated knowledge of the last four centuries of the properties and interrelationships of matter and energy; and the associated monetary culture which has evloved from folkways of prehistoric origin.
“The first of these two systems has been responsible for the spectacular rise, principally during the last two centuries, of the present industrial system and is essential for its continuance. The second, an inheritance from the prescientific past, operates by rules of its own having little in common with those of the matter-energy system. Nevertheless, the monetary system, by means of a loose coupling, exercises a general control over the matter-energy system upon which it is super[im]posed.
“Despite their inherent incompatibilities, these two systems during the last two centuries have had one fundamental characteristic in common, namely, exponential growth, which has made a reasonably stable coexistence possible. But, for various reasons, it is impossible for the matter-energy system to sustain exponential growth for more than a few tens of doublings, and this phase is by now almost over. The monetary system has no such constraints, and, according to one of its most fundamental rules, it must continue to grow by compound interest. This disparity between a monetary system which continues to grow exponentially and a physical system which is unable to do so leads to an increase with time in the ratio of money to the output of the physical system. This manifests itself as price inflation. A monetary alternative corresponding to a zero physical growth rate would be a zero interest rate. The result in either case would be large-scale financial instability.”
“With such relationships in mind, a review will be made of the evolution of the world’s matter-energy system culminating in the present industrial society. Questions will then be considered regarding the future:
- What are the constraints and possibilities imposed by the matter-energy system? human society sustained at near optimum conditions?
- Will it be possible to so reform the monetary system that it can serve as a control system to achieve these results?
- If not, can an accounting and control system of a non-monetary nature be devised that would be approptirate for the management of an advanced industrial system?
“It appears that the stage is now set for a critical examination of this problem, and that out of such inquries, if a catastrophic solution can be avoided, there can hardly fail to emerge what the historian of science, Thomas S. Kuhn, has called a major scientific and intellectual revolution.”
The following is from an article entitled “King Hubbert: Science’s Don Quixote,” in the February 1983 issue of Geophysics magazine, by Robert Dean Clark, assistant editor:
“Hubbert has had serious health problems for several years. Both his eyesight and hearing now give him problems. But neither the ailments nor the recent adulation have eroded his zest for intellectual combat. In recent years, he has assaulted a target–which he labels the culture of money–that is gigantic even by Hubbert standards. His thesis is that society is seriously handicapped because its two most important intellectual underpinnings, the science of matter-energy and the historic system of finance, are incompatible. A reasonable co-existance is possible when both are growing at approximately the same rate. That, Hubbert says, has been happening since the start of the industrial revolution but it is soon going to end because the amount of [that the?] matter-energy system can grow is limited while money’s growth is not.
“‘I was in New York in the 30s. I had a box seat at the depression,’ Hubbert says. ‘I can assure you it was a very educational experience. We shut the country down because of monetary reasons. We had manpower and abundant raw materials. Yet we shut the country down. We’re doing the same kind of thing now but with a different material outlook. We are not in the position we were in 1929-30 with regard to the future. Then the physical system was ready to roll. This time it’s not. We are in a crisis in the evolution of human socienty. It’s unique to both human and geologic history. It has never happened before and it can’t possibly happen again. You can only use oil once. You can only use metals once. Soon all the oil is going to be burned and all the metals mined and scattered.’
“That is obviously a scenario of catastrophe, a possibility Hubbert concedes. But it is not one he forecasts. The man known to many as a pessimist is, in this case, quite hopeful. In fact, he could be the ultimate utopian. We have, he says, the necessary technology. All we have to do is completely overhaul our culture and find an alternative to money.
“‘We are not starting from zero,’ he emphasizes. ‘We have an enormous amount of existing technical knowledge. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. We still have great flexibility but our maneuverability will diminish with time.’
“A non-catastrophic solution is impossible, Hubbert feels, unless society is made stable. This means abandoning two axioms of our culture…the work ethic and the idea that growth is the normal state of life….”
During his interview with Dr. Hubbert, Mr. Andrews asked him for his updated perspective, five years later, about his comments as quoted in the article above. He said:
“our window of opportunity is slowly closing…at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better. The most important thing is to get a clear picture of the situation we’re in, and the outlook for the future–exhaustion of oil and gas, that kind of thing…and an appraisal of where we are and what the time scale is. And the time scale is not centuries, it’s decades.”
I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about “Where do we go from here,” that we honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, “Why are there forty million poor people in America?” And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life’s marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask the question, “Who owns the iron ore?” You begin to ask the question, “Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?” These are questions that must be asked.
Now, don’t think that you have me in a “bind” today. I’m not talking about communism.
What I’m saying to you this morning is that communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problems of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together.
— Martin Luther King, “Where do we go from here?” August 16, 1967
“This is not so much financial bad weather as financial climate change”
— James Howard Kunstler
http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/02/next.html
All forms of government in recent times find themselves in the same predicament: the mismanagement of contraction. Too many people and too many enterprises are competing for a contracting resource base. In many poor countries it expresses itself plainly as expensive food, or no food at all for some. The expensive food part of the story is already being felt in the wealthier countries, too, but the contraction expresses itself more in terms of money – many people do not have enough, or else much less than they were used to having, and at the same time the money that does circulate seems increasingly worthless. So we have the great debate over whether the contraction is deflationary or inflationary.
That debate could not happen if money retained its essential meaning as a reliable medium of exchange, but the idea of what exactly money is, is becoming increasingly clouded everywhere as compound interest fails in the face of contraction. And as compound interest fails – in the form of loans that can’t be repaid – the banking system implodes. This implosion has been artfully papered over with enough accounting tricks so that many citizens do not even perceive it as being underway.
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158 Comments on "Peak Money: a permanent change"
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 12:00 pm
Your so grandios greggie. I would expect you to think that way. Greggie, I said people with poor attitudes and morals like yours are the reason the world is so messed up. People like you greggie, not you greggie. Wow what a case study narcissism.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 12:28 pm
“Greggie, I said people with poor attitudes and morals like yours are the reason the world is so messed up.”
I don’t condone the mass murders of innocents Davy, like you do. It doesn’t get any more immoral than that.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 12:32 pm
“Your so grandios greggie.”
Should be:
You’re so grandiose greggie.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 12:59 pm
Deagel dot com ring a bell? You would find it very convenient if the US was reduced to a collapsed state. You think you are far enough up in the BC interior you will not be affected much. I think mass murder pegs you perfectly, greggie the backstabber.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 1:42 pm
“Deagel dot com ring a bell?”
Absolutely it does. As much as I don’t like the predication for both Canada and the US, from an American website, anymore than you do, I wouldn’t find it the least bit surprising given the circumstances. Over 80% of the population in North American live in the cities. Not exactly the best places to be in an economic collapse scenario.
And I don’t live anywhere even remotely close to the BC interior.
More delusions on your part.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 1:57 pm
Prediction, and North America.
Gotta love these Asian manufactured iPhones, but try as I might, it will not allow me to spell ‘grandiose’ incorrectly. You must have worked real hard at that one Davy.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 2:12 pm
ok i just saw the term “permacultism” and i stopped. The success of this paradigm is a lot of words which is used to criticize industrial agriculture but at the same time is not a replacement for it, nor does it contain anything ground breaking, and it does cover /everything/ describing the metabolic process of converting sunlight to food. it is never wrong, never incomplete, and thus is not science.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 2:26 pm
Yea greggie, it rings a bell becuase you and billyt discussed it at length. The important point of your discussion was the US losing 60MIL and China growing and prospering. That was legitimate and reasonable for you. It also was emotionally satisfying. For you and billyt the US is the primary problem in the world so crushing the US is a good way to achieve your emotional anti-American goals. BACKSTABBER
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 2:37 pm
“That was legitimate and reasonable for you. It also was emotionally satisfying. For you and billyt the US is the primary problem in the world so crushing the US is a good way to achieve your emotional anti-American goals. BACKSTABBER”
You really are beyond help buddy.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 2:59 pm
A little rehash for you Davy:
makati1 on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 7:50 am
This should stir up the old brain cells…lol
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx?pag=1&sort=GDP&ord=DESC
Shows a collapse of Western countries in 2025 Vs 2014. Report dated today.
Interesting!
GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 11:37 am
“This should stir up the old brain cells”
Thanks for the link Mak. Looks like us Canadians are in for a slightly bigger world of hurt than our good neighbours to the south. I don’t like it any more than the next person, but that is exactly the way I read things as well. No country is going to get through the coming bottleneck unscathed, but we in the west are in for an especially rude awakening.
2025 or before? My timeline as well.
Davy on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 12:09 pm
Greg, do you agree with the optimistic projections for China in that dog paw link? That’s what I am talking about and that is where that link stinks. Honestly tell me China is going to improve and the US suffer a huge collapse per the link. That is the kind of shit that is wrong. I agree the US will probably be there per the link but China may be worse considering its population and ecological destruction.
GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 12:39 pm
Davy,
I don’t believe that any country will be left unscathed. I do believe that after the dust settles, there will be some countries that will do better than others. Countries with populations that are used to living in what we would consider to be poverty, countries that already have large percentages of their populations living lives of sustenance, and countries that are used to working hard physical labor. That is simply not the case anymore in Canada, and in all western countries for that matter. A very small percentage of our populations will have the skills, the knowledge, or the emotional and physical strength necessary, to make it through the bottleneck. Most of the people that I know in the city are very specialized in their skill sets, and those skill sets are not what will be required in a post collapse scenario. We have become used to entitlement Davy. Drive, “work”, shop, consume, and watch television. Many people these days could not even tell the difference between a Robertson, or a Phillips, let alone know how to operate a hammer.
GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 12:57 pm
Also Davy,
Capitalism will die. It is in it’s very nature. Infinite exponential growth is an impossibility in a finite world, with finite resources. The democratic process is already dead. We just don’t want to believe that yet. I see the US breaking up along ethnic, religious, and political divides. The only thing that will hold it together would be a brutal dictatorship. You can already see the beginnings of this. As more people fall off of the good ship BAU, the dissent will become more serious, and widespread. Death of a thousand cuts Davy, and those cuts are going to come faster and deeper.
Davy on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 1:07 pm
Greg, no arguments man but the link does it stink? Thats all I am asking?
GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 1:39 pm
“but the link does it stink?”
I don’t think that it does Davy, unfortunately.
You’re beyond help Davy. Your delusions have taken over.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 3:10 pm
Greggie, you always skip over the point of Deagel dot com of 60MIL US deaths and Chinese growth with its economy and population. You are oblivious to the interconnectedness of collapse on the intellectual level. IOW STUPID. On the emotional level it is satisfying for you to think about the US destroyed so the wonderful subsistence farmers of Asia you are so enamored with have room to grow and prosper. BACKSTABBER.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 3:16 pm
Both you and I had a discussion about that deagel.com link, as copied above.
Enough of your name calling, childish rhetoric, and delusional accusations.
Grow the fuck up already loser.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 3:19 pm
I love when greggie gets upset. He says fuck. LMFAO.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 4:41 pm
You’re a complete nutcase Davy. More than just a few bricks short of a load.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 4:54 pm
That deaigal site gives me the shivers
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 4:58 pm
Wait for it, any post now, dumbass, will declare himself the ‘victor’ (again), for the umpteenth time. Or as he prefers to phrase it using his in homo-erotic terms, a ‘spanking’. (yuck).
The fact these umm….’victories’ of his are all figments of his fevered imagination, and the small matter there never was any sort of contest to begin with, never crosses what’s left of the exceptionalists mind.
Right dumbass? Now declare yourself the ‘winner’. That will free up the rest of your day so you can go and spank your monkey all you like.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 4:59 pm
Also Davy,
Capitalism will die. It is in it’s very nature. Infinite exponential growth is an impossibility in a finite world, with finite resources. The democratic process is already dead. We just don’t want to believe that yet.
How dumb. It’s well known that the impossibility of living past 100 generally yet many people still try and are very happy with it.
Money is the grease that encourages labor. but we have so many opponents in so far as islam and sharia law to forbid interests.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:05 pm
One reason I’m not a conservatard is that I can’t resolve the difference between sexually liberal countries and sexually conservative islam.
the later produces score of perverts and seek to subjugate women. many conservatards seek to denigrate sexuality in popular culture.
but sex is capitalism. it liberates women and helps in maintenance of a tolerant society. sex doesn’t create any tangible products and that drive the libertarian (physical products ME ME MINE) insane.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:11 pm
there’s no money problem. how can there be when money is created? and how can there be efficient price discovery when it’s impossible to defeat eurotard and when defeated they don’t submit to supertards argument?
it takes money to have money. i have yet seen a money system by poor people that succeeded. One can force a money system in sharia law but supertards have problem with it.
it’s a different system and understanding of money.
one system encouraged drones to jihad to perpetuate its understanding of money. the other system encourages or incentivize poor people to work or contribute to the system through labor.
killing vs labor (plus some killing, by more women hopefully)
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:24 pm
“How dumb. It’s well known that the impossibility of living past 100 generally yet many people still try and are very happy with it.”
It is not impossible to live past 100. Many people all over the world do. The oldest recorded human being died at the age of 122.
On the other hand, infinite exponential growth, in a finite environment, IS, a physical and mathematical impossibility. Whether you like to think that it’s ‘dumb’, or not, makes no difference.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:26 pm
“You’re a complete nutcase”
“spanky” LMFAO
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:33 pm
mousy, with you there is no issue with winning. You are no contest. You are just a millennial twink that is struggling to be relevant. You have not said anything intelligent in weeks. Look at your cousin above. He finally made a stab at it. greggie said his normal 2 sentence infinite exponential growth in a finite world thesis. I bet he is proud of himself for that one. He must recite that before he goes to be bed so he can be ready to use it another day. You know it is a mathematical impossibility so he says.
Boat on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:36 pm
One the keys to having more money is to avoid the woman/kid/trap until you already have a home, furniture, tv computer appliances, mower, chainsaw, tools and a car. When picking a woman, make sure she works and adds other value. Like do your own work. Hiring others is your payoff when older.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:49 pm
((MUSLIMIND)) so you’re mental? presto, islam forbids drawing of Muhammad and as a result they’re very abstract. But this is different from the way of the supertards and it explains why they can be whatever they want elsewhere but mostly irrelevant.
but in their natural habitat in America, they give me intardweb that I enjoy and safe electricity.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:49 pm
“spanky LMFAO”
Huh????
Mad Kat on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:50 pm
Greg, you painted a perfect picture of the US: “A very small percentage of our (American) populations will have the skills, the knowledge, or the emotional and physical strength necessary, to make it through the bottleneck. Most of the people that I know in the city are very specialized in their skill sets, and those skill sets are not what will be required in a post collapse scenario. We have become used to entitlement Davy. Drive, “work”, shop, consume, and watch television. Many people these days could not even tell the difference between a Robertson, or a Phillips, let alone know how to operate a hammer.” Or be physically able to do a full day’s hard labor as will be required, I might add.
“The only thing that will hold it together would be a brutal dictatorship. You can already see the beginnings of this.” The laws are a;ready in place to allow it to happen. It will only take a trigger (false flag) to set it in motion.
Yep! There has never been a country so spoiled and coddled as the US. Rome tried to do the same but eventually ran into the Goths and other tribes that were able to resist them. (Russia/China today.) That ended the ability of Rome to live off of plunder and slaves. Rome then went into collapse just as the US/West is doing today only the US will not take as long to reach the bottom. I still see 2025 as the max before it crashes.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:52 pm
“One the keys to having more money is to avoid the woman/kid/trap until you already have a home, furniture, tv computer appliances, mower, chainsaw, tools and a car.”
Thanks for the advice Boat. Sure glad I did exactly the opposite, or I’d likely be single right now, still working for a living, and paying off a mortgage.
Boat on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:52 pm
Cheeto wants a parade. Just like third world countries. This will raise him to mastermind status like Putin and the brown cheeto Kim Jong Un.
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 5:59 pm
billy boy, where have you been? greggie has been all upset without your support. You can’t leave your boy alone like that. Where were you last night?
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 6:02 pm
Grow up Davy.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 6:13 pm
Boat
When society collapses soon goons are going to turn your woman into their personal fuck toy!
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 6:15 pm
“Grow up Davy.”
says the boy wonder
JuanP on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:08 pm
Micromind “Boat
When society collapses soon goons are going to turn your woman into their personal fuck toy!”
I think you are the one that is badly in need of some toys, Imaginary Neuron. It is quite obvious that being the deranged, depraved, illiterate retard that you are your only chance of getting any is paying for it. Easy money for them since you probably can’t last a minute if you manage to get it up. A functioning man wouldn’t be so obsessed with sex as you are, limp dick!
Mad Kat on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:36 pm
Juan, If we ignore Davy/MM they will go away. That is my decision for this year. If they eventually realize that no one reads their arrogant, immature, uneducated bullshit, they will lose interest and find some other site to take their frustrations out on.
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:46 pm
You sure about that mak? Not saying that wouldn’t be a good thing, it’d be a great thing. However, flailing and wailing against you, the philippines and China, in no particular order, is one of the few things left keeping what is left of his addled mind focused, and him, confined to his shack.
Waiting for you post something, is about all he seems to have to live for these days. Not our, or your problem of course, but barring a complete psychotic break, he probably won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:46 pm
Dear Reader,
Here are five peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652617304225?via%3Dihub
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf
Simple really….when the World Economy Collapses everything shuts down…the end… We’re talking about grids down all over the world and 7.5B people dropping like f*** flies in short order. The collapse will be absolutely horrible..There is no collapse or horror movie ever produced that has even come close to imagining what the collapse of BAU might look like. I’m talking about every corporation and every social program going bankrupt at once. I’m talking about people eating people. I’m talking about the Worst Catastrophe to ever happen in the history of mankind. Nothing has ever, or will ever come close….
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:47 pm
Billyt, I wish I had a dollar for every time you have said that. Lol. Look in the mirror at how aweful a person you are and try to say that again. You take the cake old man for stupid.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:48 pm
Madkat
Go ahead and willfully ignore! Go hide under your bed and maybe old MM will stop making fun of you for prepping! You are outnumbered by a million to one!
Davy on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:52 pm
Mousie and billy, the twink meets the old dork. Mousie, talk your special dialect to billyt and watch his eyes light up. Geeze, what a pair.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 7:53 pm
talks of community is absurd. community is nothing more than a form of policing and you don’t like it. The reasons being people love to fight. there’re no way around it.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 8:30 pm
“Mousie and billy, the twink meets the old dork.”
Grow up Davy.
GregT on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 8:32 pm
“You take the cake old man for stupid.”
Grow up Davy.
Mad Kat on Tue, 6th Feb 2018 8:55 pm
Anon, yes, I noticed that. With his arrogant, narrow mindset, I doubt he has any real friends other then his goats.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 7th Feb 2018 12:03 am
Considering what he actually does to those goats, twice a day by his own recent admission, I doubt ‘friend’ is how they regard him.
GregT on Wed, 7th Feb 2018 2:17 am
“I see the US breaking up along ethnic, religious, and political divides.”
Hmmm, seems that I posted that on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 12:57 pm. Over two years ago, and over a year before The Donald™ became the Empire’s commander in chief.
Ethnic? Check.
Religious? Check.
Political? Check.
“You can already see the beginnings of this. As more people fall off of the good ship BAU, the dissent will become more serious, and widespread. Death of a thousand cuts Davy, and those cuts are going to come faster and deeper.”
Check.
GregT on Wed, 7th Feb 2018 2:23 am
“Considering what he actually does to those goats, twice a day by his own recent admission, I doubt ‘friend’ is how they regard him.”
Given his track record here, of blatantly obvious lies, sock puppetry, name calling, childish rhetoric, and delusional accusations, he likely only keeps small rodents like hamsters, on mommy and daddy’s property, with mommy and daddy’s funding, under mommy and daddy’s direct supervision.
JH Wyoming on Fri, 9th Feb 2018 4:30 am
“I see the US breaking up along ethnic, religious, and political divides.”
I’ve noticed that too. I wonder if the internet is partly why, not just austerity. The reason I suggest that is on the surface it would seem to provide a lot of opportunities for individuals to become exposed to other viewpoints and presumably broaden one’s spectrum of opinions and ideas. However, it actually seems to be the opposite. The more people are exposed to different viewpoints, the more they seem to put up walls, stand their ground, reaffirming and hardening their original position.
Globalization via the internet may actually require a higher consciousness level than most people can handle, with the result of people seeking out those most similar to themselves, fragmenting society to a much greater degree than it would without the internet.
Davy on Fri, 9th Feb 2018 4:46 am
“I see the US breaking up along ethnic, religious, and political divides.”
I don’t see the extreme of that. The rabid anti-Americans trumpet this continuiously. The thing about the US is we have always had these issues and the preasure is naturally allowed to bleed off because that is how our system is. Extremist on all sides will make waves but they don’t last long. Many have assimilated into the idea of being American. There is so much diversity already and acceptance of it already. It is places like Europe that have cultures and nationalities that will not assimilate that may have a worse problem. There are limits to how far assimilation can go like anything else. There are places where extremes of inequity will be volatile but the areas where people coexist in mutual and in common situations people will pull together. This is the case in many places not all.
“Globalization via the internet may actually require a higher consciousness level than most people can handle, with the result of people seeking out those most similar to themselves, fragmenting society to a much greater degree than it would without the internet.”
It also in many cases may allow “REAL” wisdom to disseminate to a wider audience. I agree it allows bad and good behavior to propagate but don’t forget the good behavior. The internet has corrected many of my bad attitudes from nearly 20 years ago when I first went digital. It has also allowed new and bad ones. For example I question my being so digital. I want to go local and off the grid more. This is something spiritual I grapple with. The global internet is a mix blessing as blessings tend to be because life is about trade-offs. We can’t have it all and life is finite on a finite planet.
Antius on Fri, 9th Feb 2018 8:11 am
Davy wrote: ‘I don’t see the extreme of that. The rabid anti-Americans trumpet this continuiously. The thing about the US is we have always had these issues and the preasure is naturally allowed to bleed off because that is how our system is. Extremist on all sides will make waves but they don’t last long. Many have assimilated into the idea of being American. There is so much diversity already and acceptance of it already. It is places like Europe that have cultures and nationalities that will not assimilate that may have a worse problem. There are limits to how far assimilation can go like anything else. There are places where extremes of inequity will be volatile but the areas where people coexist in mutual and in common situations people will pull together. This is the case in many places not all.’
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-08/natos-real-existential-threat-surrender-western-values
Hello on Fri, 9th Feb 2018 9:53 am
>>> Many have assimilated into the idea of being American
Every nation needs a story, a common history of achievements and struggle. For the US this used to be the Mayflower, the tea party, the fight for independence, the conquest of the west.
Imported 3rd world does not share this story. They do not connect with this history.
As such they are not “american”.
The only thing holding america together nowadays is the common believe in growth and consumption. Not much. Once the limits of this believe becomes apparent, the nation will fall apart.
Same in europe and Switzerland. They teach imported negro kids the swiss fight for independence, the swiss heros of battle and religion. What a joke. A negro or raghead cannot never be part of that history. He can never feel “swiss”. A perfect setup for disaster.