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Is This the End of Cheap Food?
Enter your local supermarket and it’s hard to miss the mile-long piles of fresh produce. And when those heads of lettuce or cauliflower are in season, the prices can be low enough that feeding yourself doesn’t have to cost an arm and a leg. But that may not last much longer.
The world population continues to grow, after all, particularly in developing countries, where there’s been an increased appetite for protein. That’s put strain on the world’s grasslands, where livestock is raised for meat and milk production — and it’s worried scientists. A study recently published in the journal Nature Communications indicated that farmers would need to double their overall use of phosphorus in order to keep grasslands healthy enough to feed all that cattle. Such land hasn’t typically been fertilized directly by farmers, who do tend to add the mineral to arable land, but, with little likely relief on the horizon, that may need to change.
Could anything help the growth in production come back?
There’s also a worry that crop yields may no longer grow in the way we’ve come to expect. In the past, the use of fertilizers and genetically modified seeds boosted the amount of food that could be grown on a given piece of land. But most of the gains are behind us. The production of cereal crops, such as wheat or barley, hasn’t shown any meaningful increase per acre in the last two decades in the U.K., according to a report released in December by the Grantham Centre for Sustainable Futures at the University of Sheffield. And that contrasts markedly with steady output gains from 1960 through 1997.
Could anything help the growth in production come back? Sure, some technology has helped make minimal gains, though Shawn Hackett, who, as president of Hackett Financial Advisors, closely monitors commodity markets, warns, “I don’t see anything right now as the next big act.” In short, the land available is stretched as far as it can go.
But the situation gets worse. The sun is entering a period of reduced activity as part of its typical 11-year cycle, which is measured by how many dark spots appear on its solar surface. A lower count of sunspots has previously coincided with reduced crop yields, according to data crunched by the U.S. Department of Agriculture from 1866 through 1973. And while the relationship between the two outcomes isn’t precisely understood, NASA has pointed to steadily decreasing sunspots through 2020.
A bigger concern is whether the sun’s cycle gets stuck at the low point. “If we go to zero sunspots, it could be a disaster,” says Don Coxe, chairman of Coxe Advisors. He points to the so-called Maunder Minimum — or “prolonged sunspot minimum” — period from around 1645 through 1715, when sunspots all but vanished and temperatures plunged to a level where London’s river Thames froze over periodically. At least for some of us, that news may be chilling enough to prompt stocking up on canned soup and (frozen) veggies.
82 Comments on "Is This the End of Cheap Food?"
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:05 am
“…the land available is stretched as far as it can go.”
But, it is not all being used efficiently. Beef cattle are not an efficient use of land.
Nor is that biggest irrigated crop in the Us, the lawn. If that land were used for chickens and gardens…
“According to a new study from NASA scientists in collaboration with researchers in the Mountain West, there is now an estimated total of 163,812 square kilometers, or more than 63,000 square miles, of lawn in America — about the size of Texas”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lawn-largest-crop-america_us_55d0dc06e4b07addcb43435d
As for food costs… Going up, up and away. The Us imports ~19% of it’s food and that too is increasing in both volume and cost.
ghung on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:35 am
“Enter your local supermarket and it’s hard to miss the mile-long piles of fresh produce.”
In our local supermarket, the ice cream and sugar water (soda, etc.) sections each dwarf the fresh produce section; by far the largest food groups in the store. Just sayin’. I’m betting many people derive at least 50% of their calories from HFCS.
“At least for some of us, that news may be chilling enough to prompt stocking up on canned soup and (frozen) veggies.”
Sure. Then what? Anyway, last week I stocked our pond with 100 channel catfish; just another addition to our local “stocks” – a good source of protein and fish emulsion fertilizer. I’m hoping to keep a sustainable population since catfish are adaptable to a wide range of environmental conditions. Good stuff online on catfish husbandry. I’m considering adding another pond devoted to just catfish since they do better without competition.
Just another strategy in my resilience tool box. What else can one do? Stock up on Campbell’s soup?
onlooker on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:52 am
Other factors are threatening food production. Like available fresh water, soil erosion, desertification. Of course the really biggy is climate change and its vast potential to curtail agricultural production. Also, it is not just productivity from the land, plant genetics does not allow for anymore improvement. We have been tinkering with plants for thousands of years, I do not see any miracle crop coming online. Also GMO food while having potential to increase yields must be balanced by its inherent pernicious characteristics to health of animals and humans.
penury on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:55 am
I can think of worse things to do than stock up on canned soup and froz veg, but not very many. I world suggest real food preserved the old fashioned way, Like real food raw, rice, potatoes, you know real food.
ghung on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 10:21 am
Beans. Don’t forget the dried beans 😉
paulo1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 11:10 am
Black bean soup for last night’s supper!!
This year I am putting in a couple more rows of beans that should be enough for our soups for the year.
The grocery store prices are scary these days. Our cdn dollar is around .77, and it has been reflected across the board. I will say this, however, my kids…32 and 36, do not shop as smart as we used to at their age. Not even close. My daughter and her husband both work, and when we visit I notice they tend to chase for items they run out of. My son is going through a real work phase these past few months and simply does not have time to shop carefully. I casually mentioned to my daughter that she could easily save $1,000/yr by shopping a few specials and/or setting aside a regular day for shopping…say Saturday morning early, or Friday evening, plus using a weekly meal plan to coincide with sales. Oh well, at least they are both good cooks and don’t buy prepared foods. I just don’t say anything, usually.
Our 30 broiler chicks arrive on April 18th and fishing starts soon, cod and halibut this spring and salmon this summer/fall. We supply about 3 families with fish. I am also ordering a local grass fed side of beef from a buddy who has a grazing lease about 15 miles up the valley. It will be available this October. We may package it up as kind of a big early Christmas present and part it out to family. It works out to about 60% of what the store charges.
Mak’s comments about NA lawns is right on. I believe it was NW Resident who put his lawn into produce down in Oregon. Good for him!!!! We have a lawn, but we also have an acre of garden that feeds us. Of course we don’t water or fertilize the grass so it’s no big deal.
regards
antaris on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 11:18 am
Paulo ” Our cdn dollar is around .77″ but when you go to buy a US dollar or shop online (like me this morning) you will pay somewhere around $1.34
Northwest Resident on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 11:26 am
We’re still eating potatoes from last fall’s harvest around here, and have about 15 gallons left to go. Sure, they’ve sprouted and the skins are getting rough, but they are still firm and tasty, kept as fresh as can be in the “garbage can root cellar” that I installed last year. Meanwhile, the fresh crop of potatoes is about a foot tall now and looking good. By the time we run out of potatoes from last year, the new crop will be ready.
We have barely touched the ten gallons high protein “Indian” corn harvested last year, then shucked into 5-gallon air tight containers for storage, other than to make some experimental “johnny cakes” and two batches of cornbread. That ten gallons of high protein corn is a lot of food, once it is ground to flour and used to prepare different recipes. That corn, in kernel form, will preserve for many years.
I stocked up on about 20 gallons of hard red wheat. Not good for fine pastries, but makes a very tasty and wholesome/filling bread when ground up and baked. It preserves for ever.
Our onion crop lasted us until a couple of months ago, and we eat a lot of onions here. This year, we’re growing double the onions so as to not run out before the next year’s crop is ready.
Carrots? We have TONS of them. We ate them fresh up until two months ago — just pulled them out of the ground when we were ready to eat them. Then we finally harvested all the rest and canned them, ending up with about 80 16-ounce jars full. To prepare them, I stir fry them in butter and then baste them with a honey/pepper/garlic mix — extremely tasty, and nutritious.
And honey? I gave a couple gallons away last year so I’m almost out. But this year I won’t be so generous. The hives already have about 5 – 6 gallons nearly capped, and nectar flow is just starting. I had to add two new supers to each hive just to give them room to grow, and a place to store all the honey. Conservative estimate this year is probably about 15 – 20 gallons (including new hive I am starting next week). Honey lasts forever, substitutes for sugar in most recipes, and is extremely nutritious.
Still have lots of blackberry/honey jam that I canned last summer, with the new crop of blackberries starting up in a month or two.
Strawberries are blooming. This year’s garlic crop is lush and green, growing fast. Added three egg-laying chickens and we have plenty of eggs for every occasion, haven’t bought any eggs from the store for over a year now and we eat them a lot.
The end of cheap food has not arrived for us, nor will it as long as I can keep my mini-farm going!
Bob Owens on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 11:26 am
This article starts off OK, but our problems are a lot worse going forward than lack of sunspots. How about lack of irrigation water, topsoil destruction, farmland pave-over, civil wars, forest destruction? The only cure is less people; a lot less; like 90% less. I’m not sure how we will get there, but it won’t be pretty.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 11:53 am
Just got back from picking up my chicken tractor. https://www.westphaliatradingco.com/coleman-coop.html. Going to keep a few chickens in with the cows and goat to eat all the bugs that love to hang around cow and goat patties. Get some fresh eggs as a bonus.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 12:03 pm
Putting up second bee hive today. Next batch of bees coming in two weeks. Current hive is doing excellent. Grapes are budding, fruit trees are full of flowers, and strawberries are blooming in what appears to be a great early spring. Tomorrow I am burning two native grass fields. Life is good
Northwest Resident on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 12:15 pm
Davy — Your chicken coup is a lot better looking than the two chicken coups I built from scratch, that’s for sure! But my two coups are very functional. Stationary, though. I don’t have a big area that I can offer my chickens to scavenge from. But on the bright side, I don’t have many bugs either. Way to go on the bee hives. Hopefully you’re studying frequently on ways to keep those hives healthy and productive. If you haven’t harvested honey yet, you’re in for a real “treat”! I’m sure you’ll get around to it one of these days. Make sure you give those hives enough room to grow, obviously… I ate goat for the first time in my life last week — not bad, but needed more BBQ sauce and spices added, I think. Something tells me that humans of the future will be eating a lot more goat than beef, so I might as well get used to it!
Pennsyguy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 12:28 pm
I’d love to support a political candidate who advocates using our still available energy into reconverting airports and shopping malls in Pennsylvania back into farmland. Even if it is too late, farms are just prettier than airports or malls.
ghung on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 1:37 pm
My big over-wintering success was cabbages in the hightunnel, especially the smaller purple cabbages I planted in early September. I just left them in the beds and they stay firm and sweet through the winter until we’re ready to eat them. I still have about a dozen. They go semi-dormant, but no pests and no frost damage.
@NR: Goats are still on my to-do list; put back a year to concentrate on the hightunnel and other things. My friend grinds and freezes most of his goat to use in chilli, pasta sauces and lasagna (I do BIG batches of lasagna to vacuum pack). Goat also does well when seasoned and canned since it’s low fat. Gets more tender and flavorful. Maybe more Americans should get goat mowers for their nice lawns; fertilizer and weed control on the hoof, eh?
We still have plenty of venison from last fall’s population control campaign. We vaucuum pack and freeze plenty of that too. Great when ground for recipes, and keeps well about a year in the deep freeze. Another of my specialties is onion soup. I make big batches, freeze portions in paper cups, add a big slice of cheese on top, then vacuum pack each portion. Having a big solar-powered deep freeze has been a real plus.
Canning, freezing and drying food, whether home-produced, game, or store-bought saves us a lot of money on food. Pressure-canning chilli, sauces, meats, soups, etc., while buying rice and beans in bulk and vacuum-packing portions is a big saver as well. I also buy flour, grains, and things like oatmeal (in bulk or on sale) and vacuum pack them; sometimes in bags, or in canning jars. Most grains will keep for years that way.
Getting new chicks this week for our large chicken coop. After the big avian flu scare, we’re supposed to register our chickens, but my extension guy says the order (and process) hasn’t come down from the state yet. Another layer of complexity I’ll ignore.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 2:10 pm
NR, wife is in charge of the bees. Glad I have a women getting involved with the doomstead. She is an Italian mountain woman. They are rugged people who are very resistant to change. They still often use a scythe to cut their small highly productive fields for hay. Cheese is still made the old ways by hand in her village.
The chickens are my latest project. I know very little but love to learn. Getting rabbits soon also. Goats will kid any day now. One thing I have quickly learned about goats is they are high maintenance. They are actually fragile compared to cattle. I lost one the other day and one had a miscarriage.
Glad you are checking in. Sometimes it seems like the Assholes hang on and the good ones leave. I miss our doomsted advice we used to trade. Glad to know you are still hard at it. Many times people jump into this lifestyle only to find out how hard it is. Give’R’hell.
Satori on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 3:24 pm
“nine missed meals”
Video: Philippines rice shortage sparks food riots – ‘It has not rained for almost four months’
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2016/04/video-philippines-rice-shortage-sparks.html
Apneaman on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 4:17 pm
Junk Food Is Bad For Plants, Too
How a steady diet of fertilizers has turned crops into couch potatoes.
http://nautil.us/issue/34/adaptation/junk-food-is-bad-for-plants-too
Apneaman on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 4:53 pm
One crop breeding cycle from starvation
“In the race against world hunger, we’re running out of time. By 2050, the global population will have grown and urbanized so much that we will need to produce 87 percent more of the four primary food crops – rice, wheat, soy, and maize – than we do today.
At the same time, the climate is projected to change over the next 30 years, with warmer temperatures and more carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere. Crop plants can adapt to change through evolution, but at a much slower rate than the changes we are causing in the atmosphere. Furthermore, the land available for growing crop plants is unlikely to expand to accommodate the predicted rise in demand. In fact, land suited to food crop production is being lost on a global scale.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-crop-starvation.html#jCp“
Northwest Resident on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 4:54 pm
Ghung — You are a food production machine! I didn’t know that cabbages could keep “in the ground”. I guess it depends on the variety and the weather. You probably had yours under cover, which I wouldn’t be able to do without rigging up something special. What we did with all our cabbage was to make and can a bunch of kimchi. We used nothing but produce from our backyard mini-farm, most notably this Thai variety of pepper that is satisfyingly hot and spicy. It’s almost gone now — quite a few baked chicken, rice and kimchi dinners later. I read that goat tastes a lot like venison — what’s your opinion? Way to go on the food production thing, btw. You must feel as good as I do knowing that you are setting a living example of how just about everybody is going to have to get their food in the future that we all know is coming. I like to think that if/when TSHTF, I will have the knowledge, experience and seed to get others started producing their own food. They’ll have to do the work, of course. But being in a position to teach others to produce enough food to survive and perhaps even prosper on, and having the starter seed and the know-how to preserve that food and prepare it — that’s worth something. We could end up being in high demand one of these days!
Northwest Resident on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 5:08 pm
Davy — Come on, man! You haven’t lived until you’ve cracked open the beehive and unleashed a swarm of angry stinging bees flying around your head. The adrenaline rush is unforgettable, the first few times, then you get used to it…
I read posts here daily, frequently. I just don’t post much anymore because my company’s security policy prohibits it from their network. Understandable, especially if you knew the high profile company I work for.
I know what you mean about all the not-so-cool posters on this forum. Why the owner of this website allows such crap is beyond me — doesn’t give a shit, I assume.
I’m not surprised to hear your take on raising goats. I read up on the subject and it looks like there are a lot of animals that would like to sink their teeth into some tasty goat. I can imagine a time in the future where my neighborhood will be somewhat less populated, with a lot of vacancies and a lot of untended yards. Or a time when the empty fields that my house borders are overgrown due to lack of maintenance. Maybe that is when I’ll be ready to start up a goat herd!
Apneaman on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 5:33 pm
Northwest Resident, apparently you have missed a whole shit load of Davy’s comments or you are a master of mental compartmentalization. Davy has slung just as much mud and shit as anyone on here. The suggestion he is on the high road is beyond laughable. If the owners of this piece of shit were going to ban anyone I would think Davy would be first in line for challenging another commenter to a knife fight. Did ya miss that one or just forget? How about his statement to another that he pisses and shits on their family? Out of the office on that one too eh? He’s right up there with the worst of us. Maybe I underestimated the bond between goat people.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 7:38 pm
NR, actually, I have a bee suit and get in the hive with my wife but she is in charge. She goes to the bee meetings. I believe in delegating activities. I already work 12 hour days. I really enjoy goats. They have so much personality. My grazing system is working great with cattle and goats within a management intensive grazing paddock system. The downside for many is it is labor intensive and expensive to start up but once started it lowers the need for hay, fertilizer, and tractor time. If you don’t include goats in the grazing system the weeds need to be bushoged.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 7:49 pm
OH, ape hole I did challenge Ralf Rudolph Roll or whatever his name is or was to a knife fight because he was spouting off about killing meriKans. Kind of like you do constantly but you are different being a disabled drug addict. I am afraid you would be too easy to ass kick. There would be no need for a knife. As for the pissing and shitting on family that was Juan the P (the P is for pussy). He has routinely bashed me and my family. He said that and you got it twisted around like you do constantly. Juan the P also said he would like to eat my kids. I guess he was joking but you can never tell with you guys in the goon squad. NR is right who wants to hear your endless rambling on with foul language and personal attacks. You are the worst of the worst ape hole. Some people like you because they are ape hole wannabe but feel ashamed to actually go there because most people have a conscience.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 7:55 pm
Wow, I wonder if Makati the dumb one read this. All I ever hear is how wonderful it is there in the P’s and how horrible it is here in merika.
Satori on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 3:24 pm
“nine missed meals”
Video: Philippines rice shortage sparks food riots – ‘It has not rained for almost four months’
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2016/04/video-philippines-rice-shortage-sparks.html
GregT on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:19 pm
“Oh, ape hole.”
“As for the pissing and shitting on family that was Juan the P (the P is for pussy).”
“Makati the dumb one”
Tell us all again Davy, exactly who it is that “endlessly rambles on with foul language and personal attacks.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:26 pm
Right Greg I forgot about you and your psychopathic hate for Boat with your endless foul language and personal attacks. What is it about Canadians and their ugly mouths? You guys are the worst English speaking nation I have seen for poor language and code of conduct. You guys stink.
GregT on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:31 pm
“You guys are the worst English speaking nation I have seen for poor language and code of conduct.”
You obviously haven’t been looking very hard then Davy. Maybe if you took your blinders off……..
GregT on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:38 pm
And also Davy, two of the members of your imaginary little ‘gang’ happen to be Americans. One of whom has been an American since decades before you were even born. He is more than entitled to his opinion, and isn’t going to change his opinion because you don’t like it.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:39 pm
Greg are you denying you Canadians have bad manners and language? Greg, that is some blinder action for sure.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:44 pm
OOOPs Gregger, Ape Hole is Canadian. You are Canadian. Makati is a non-American American. Juan P is a hateful resident alien living in America that needs to go back to Uruguay. Who is the other American Gregger?
Apneaman on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:44 pm
Davy sounds like more special pleading from a spoiled 1%er whose used to getting his way. I’m not buying it and I doubt anyone else is falling for your special pleading. I don’t need to spout off about killing Americans – just sit back and watch you tear the shit out of each other. Doing a fine job, I must say. Breaking records.
Lets take a look shall we?
A year of reckoning:
Police fatally shoot nearly 1,000
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/26/a-year-of-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/
2015: The year of mass shootings
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2015-the-year-of-mass-shootings/
Speaking of drug addicts
“The United States is 5% of the worlds population & consumes 75% of the worlds prescription drugs”
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/infographics/popping-pills-prescription-drug-abuse-in-america
That don’t even include all the mega tons of street drugs and alcohol.
After having lived there it’s a wonder the numbers are not higher. I doubt a more predatory society has ever existed.
Davy on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:47 pm
Poor Ape hole resorts to his usual 1er% gig then starts in with his copy and paste how bad merika is. Ape hole your bad mouthing merika loses its impact when you post the same thing over and over. Please gives us something new. Like we don’t know how bad merika is.
JuanP on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 8:54 pm
LOL!
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:06 pm
“Canada and the American Empire: US Military Personnel Seeking Refuge in Canada”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-and-the-american-empire-us-military-personnel-seeking-refuge-in-canada/5518190
At lest there are some Americans with morals and intelligence.
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:15 pm
Distribution is the problem…
“For the first time in history, more people are obese than underweight,..”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-02/great-global-weight-gain-world-has-too-much-food
Interesting…
Apneaman on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:27 pm
davy boy, it doesn’t lose it’s impact on you – everyone can see that.
Do you know why you struggle so?
Attempting to defend the indefeasible.
It’s the singular most painful form of cognitive dissonance.
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 9:47 pm
Example of American stupidity…
“A family in Sugar Creek, Missouri grew the beautiful vegetable garden in the photo above.
They’ve been given four days to tear out the entire garden or face a fine.
Why? Because it is in their front yard, and city officials and a few neighbors don’t like it.”
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/man-harassed-and-fined-for-planting-vegetables-in-his-own-yard_042016
Missouri…the ignorance is obvious.
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 10:29 pm
Related: “U.S. military suicides remain high for 7th year”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/04/01/us-military-suicides-remain-stubbornly-high/82518278/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories
Guess their guilt caught up with them…
makati1 on Sun, 3rd Apr 2016 10:31 pm
“Welcome to Bruni, Texas — where water comes with arsenic at eight times the federal limit”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/welcome-to-bruni-texas-where-water-comes-with-arsenic-at-eight-times-the-federal-limit/
Have YOU had your water tested lately?
Davy on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 4:48 am
OH, Ape hole, you and your double standards. I love to be a thorn in your otherwise arrogant “I can do anything and say anything” poor manners. Your “I am right and you are wrong” prick attitude. Your “don’t say anything unless I approve or I will give you the ape hole hammer”. Screw that and your arrogant Canadian attitude. Some sheeples who are a “wannabe a mean ape hole” love you so you feel empowered. Does that make it right to have poor manners and code of conduct, No, but it sure gives you strength for an otherwise unhappy failed life or why would you be so negative and mean. What a joke when all someone like you has is internet friends.
You redundantly tell us how we are all going to die and horribly but offer nothing else. This is especially an anti-merikan thang. There is something else for those of us who take care of people and have love ones. American is not everything you redundantly generalize about and google cherry pick. You lived a short time in Georgia and think you are an expert on everything American. You are just a google creep. There are more smart and fit people in the US than the entire population of your small insignificant country despite the trash and worthless people. Canada is full of them too and getting worse quick. We Americans are there but Canada is getting there in a hurry. Just look at your dumbass Canadian economy going down the shitter. IMA faster than the US.
I am not defending the indefensible. The US is a mess and flying apart but so is the world and so is your stupid country. I am commenting on code of conduct and respect for others here. If you and your gang will not respect me you will get no respect. I am talking about fairness, balance, and moderation for those of us here who your excessive and generalized comments effect.
I am not struggling as a matter of fact it is arrogant assholes like you that empowers me. You are the one with cognitive dissonance. I am prepping and changing my life. You continue to live in Hongcouver waiting to flip your slum rental units and participate in Chinese money laundering and the gutting of the Vancouver you are so proud of. You make no effort to do anything and just bitch, moan, and complain. That is dumb and your apathy will mean you will perish quickly without hope. Apathyman should be your call sign. This is why your cognitive dissonance kicks in. You want others to feel the same failure you do being a bum with no future. You would think you would make an effort to help your mom who is all you have. Yea, I may not have future but I feel good about what I am doing. How can someone feel good about telling people they have no hope? Dumbass.
Davy on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 5:01 am
“Missouri…the ignorance is obvious.” Makati-the-dumb-one Missouri is a big state and there are situations like this. If these people don’t like it they need to move down the road which is probably a few miles north where they can do as they please. In the Philippines if you go someplace and don’t fit in you can get killed.
Speaking of gardens Makattttti why are you never at your fantasy farm? You never comment on anything about your farm. Maybe you don’t have a farm or that farm is never going to be ready for you. You are 71 and maybe don’t have long to live. I have been here on this board now going on 3 years and still you talk about “The Farm”. You even have sheeples here who fantasize about your fantasy life. They actually believing your spew. If you were really a farmer you would be every day at the farm especially the way you preach about farming the Makatttti way with no hiring people and not using equipment. You can’t make a farm work sitting on your ass in your Manila apartment with 20 plus MIL other sheeples. You especially can’t make a farm work sitting on your ass in Manila without paying people to do it. Considering you live on a small social security check means that is likely not the case. Maybe your male partner is rich and can do it. Why don’t you ever talk about him? What a joke! Another one of the failed goon squad ass holes.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 8:38 am
How the fuck did we go from talking about bees to America vs her allies. Davy bud, why do you let people who want to talk shit about the US get to you so bad, it sounds like you have things set up really nice out west there, keep it up and enjoy nature. I do what I can as an American who is disappointed in the direction of our federal government. I pay my taxes, but don’t give them an extra cent because I know it will be misspent, I try to hold onto my money and produce my own food.
Makati does have a point that whichever city that is in Missouri has some bullshit policy on what you can do with your land. Unfortunately I am sure that is in at least one area in every state.
The solution? Hang a bloody violent Jesus on the cross scene on the front lawn, they cant make you take that down, cause the freedoms, when the neighbor begs because its giving their kid nightmares you say, “Can I have my garden back?”
makati1 on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 9:15 am
Practical, wanna bet on that cross?
BTW: Almost EVERY town or suburban organization in the Us has the same restrictions on what you can do with your property. Only those who live in the boonies can do what they want, maybe.
You own NOTHING. If you disagree, don’t pay your mortgage or real estate taxes and see if you keep your property. Don’t pay your income taxes and see if you are free. Drive your car without a current license, hunt or fish without… There is NO freedom in America. The chains are permanent.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 9:37 am
Bet what on the cross Makati, that they wouldn’t allow that or that it wouldn’t upset people, because I am talking gory… Because in red states you can justify a lot with the ole bible.
I am all too aware of restrictions, my landlord hates and wont allow chickens, and I was looking into purchasing a piece of property but the area required the installation of a traditional septic and leach field, not the first thing I want to spend 10g on when I start my homestead.
Davy on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:08 am
Practical, your just a young pup here who spouts off to get brownie points. You have not shown me anything of substance yet. You are a wannabe that’s all. Talk about doomsteading is encouraging but you are not doing anything to speak of except bitch.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:11 am
You know nothing about me davy, literately nothing…. Why would it bother you that I am young and informed. I am a wannabe, that is cute.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:12 am
You work 12 hours a day Davy? How much of that you spend defending the country that put that silver spoon in your mouth?
Davy on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:13 am
Did you see me support the suburban garden ban thang? No cause I didn’t. I mentioned that those people could go 10 miles north and do as they please. I do as I please here in the ozarks within reason. Makati is just inciting violence as usual. His P’s has soldiers firing on protestors but that’s fine because they are probably Muslim and Makati doesnt like Muslims. That is racism and bigotry but that is ok with guys seeking brownie points with him.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:15 am
You work on your homestead 12 hours a day and by your own admission you still eat a lot of store bought food. You not 2 good at what your doing?
Davy on Mon, 4th Apr 2016 10:16 am
I know enough about you PM to know your a pup after brownie points. IOW a youngster that has not had his ass kicked. It is spring on the farm and I am working 12 hour days. Up at 3:00am. How about you BUd?