The peak oil controversy stages a comeback as the industry confronts a future of higher costs — and low prices.
By Richard Heinberg
A spindletop spouter gushes oil in 1902. (Image: Wikimedia Commons)
Talking about “peak oil” can feel very last decade. In fact, the question is still current. Petroleum markets are so glutted and prices are so low that most industry commenters think any worry about future oil supplies is pointless. The glut and price dip, however, are hardly indications of a healthy industry; instead, they are symptoms of an increasing inability to match production cost, supply, and demand in a way that’s profitable for producers but affordable for society. Is this what peak oil looks like?
Back in the early years of the current millennium, I was among a handful of authors warning that world petroleum production rates would soon hit a maximum level and start to decline, and that the eventual result would be economic mayhem. But it’s now the latter half of 2016 and, according to the United States Energy Information Administration, world production of crude oil hit a new high in 2014 of almost 78 million barrels per day, while 2015’s average number was almost certainly higher still.
Yet something strange and ominous is indeed happening in the oil industry. And I’d argue that only those versed in peak-oil discourse are prepared to understand what that is, and what the likely emerging trends will be.
Aside from issuing forecasts regarding the timing of the inevitable moment when petroleum production would max out (yes, many of those forecasts proved premature), we peak-oil writers more importantly tended to agree on three key insights, all of them as valid now as ever:
Oil is essential to the modern world. Energy is what enables us to do anything and everything, and oil is currently the world’s primary energy source. But oil’s role in society is even more crucial than that sentence might suggest. Nearly 95 percent of global transport is oil-powered, and if trucks, trains, and ships were to stop running, the global economy would grind to a halt almost instantly. Even electricity (which is the other main energy pillar of commerce and daily life) depends on oil: coal mining, transport, and processing depend on oil; much the same is true for natural gas, uranium, and the components of solar panels and wind turbines.
Oil is hard to substitute. A colleague, the energy analyst David Fridley, and I recently finished a year-long inquiry into details of the necessary and inevitable transition from fossil fuels to renewable sources of energy. While lots of sunshine and wind are available, not all the ways we use energy will be easy to adapt to renewable electricity. Some of the biggest challenges we identified are in the transport sector. Electric cars are certainly feasible (more are on the road every year), but batteries alone can’t power heavy trucks, container ships, and large airplanes.
There are other possibilities (including biofuels and hydrogen-based fuels made using electricity), but these are likely to be much more expensive and will require large energy inputs for their ongoing production. Moreover, transitioning to them will take major investment and infrastructure build-out occurring over two or more decades.
Depletion of oil (and of other non-renewable resources) tends to follow the low-hanging fruit principle. Humanity has been extracting oil on an industrial scale for 150 years now. At first, all it took was identifying places where petroleum was seeping to the ground surface, then digging a shallow well. Today, globally, millions of old conventional oil wells lie depleted and abandoned. The primary remaining prospects for production include heavy oil (which requires expensive processing); bitumen (which must be mined or steam-extracted); tight oil (produced from low-permeability source rocks, which requires hydrofracturing and horizontal drilling, with typical wells showing a rapid decline in output); deepwater oil (which entails high drilling and infrastructure costs); or arctic oil (which has so far mostly proven cost-prohibitive). All of these options entail rapidly growing environmental costs and risks.
It’s that third point that helps explain the disturbing recent evolution of the petroleum world. Most industry analysts focus on oil prices, and it’s clear on this score that the market has gone seriously weird in recent years. In 2001, petroleum sold for about $20 a barrel, a price that sat well within a fairly narrow band of highs and lows that had bounded price for roughly 20 years following the politically generated oil shocks of the 1970s. But, by the summer of 2008, the price had ascended to the unprecedented, dizzying altitude of $147; then (following the cratering of the global economy) it plummeted to $37. Following that, prices gradually recovered to around $100, where they remained for nearly three years before sliding again, starting in mid-2014, to the high $20s, from which they have partially rebounded to today’s approximately $40.
WTI Spot Price Monthly Averages, January 2001 through May 2016. (Chart: U.S. Energy Information Administration)
The recent highs (above $100) are incomprehensible, until we recognize that the oil industry’s costs of production have skyrocketed in the past decade. Throughout the first decade-and-a-half of the new century, demand for oil was growing rapidly in Asia. Normally, the industry would have simply ramped up its supplies of conventional crude to satisfy the needs of new car buyers in China and India. But output of conventional oil topped out in 2005; all the new supply growth since then has been from hard-to-reach or low-grade resources. Producers didn’t resort to these until demand outstripped supply, raising prices and justifying the far higher rates of investment that are required per unit of new production. But that meant that, henceforth, high prices would have to continue if producers were to turn a profit.
When oil was selling for $100 per barrel, many tight-oil projects in the U.S. were nevertheless only marginally profitable or were actually money losers; still, with interest rates at historic lows and plenty of investment capital sloshing around the financial industry, drillers had no trouble finding operating capital (David Hughes of Post Carbon Institute was one of the few analysts who questioned the durability of the “shale gale,” on the basis of meticulous well-by-well analysis). The result of cascading investment was a ferocious spate of drilling and fracking that drove levels of U.S. oil production sharply upward, overwhelming global markets. The amount of oil in storage ballooned. That’s the main reason prices collapsed in mid-2014 — along with Saudi Arabia’s insistence on continuing to pump crude at maximum rates in order to help drive the upstart American shale-oil producers out of business. The Saudi gambit mostly succeeded: Small- to medium-sized U.S. producers are now gasping for air, and, as their massive debts come due over the next few months, a wave of bankruptcies and buyouts seems fairly inevitable. Meanwhile, in the continental U.S., oil production has dropped by 800,000 barrels a day.
Indeed, the entire petroleum business is currently in deep trouble. Countries that rely on crude oil export revenues are facing enormous budget deficits, and in some cases are having trouble maintaining basic services to their people.
An activist holds a fake bill reading Hunger during a demonstration in Caracas, Venezuela, on September 19, 2015. (Photo: Federico Parra/AFP/Getty Images)
The worst instance is Venezuela, where hunger is rampant. But hard times have also fallen on Nigeria, the Middle Eastern monarchies, Russia, and even Canada to some degree. The oil majors (Exxon, Shell, Chevron, etc.) are still somewhat profitable because a significant portion of their output still comes from older, giant oilfields; but a large and increasing segment of their remaining profits now goes toward debt servicing. And their existing oil reserves are not being replaced with new discoveries.
Any way you look at it, the industry faces a grim future. Even if prices go up, there is no guarantee of recovery: Investors may be shy to rush back to oil since they have no assurance that a price rout won’t recur in months or years. After all, when prices are high enough to generate profits (which is very high indeed these days), they are also high enough to destroy demand — which is also vulnerable to recessions, the growth of the electric vehicle market, and meaningful climate policy. It’s simply unclear whether the global economy can consistently support an oil price that’s sufficiently robust to pay the industry to extract and refine the kinds of resources that remain.
Again, most oil commentators look at all of this through a purely economic lens. But it may be helpful to think more in terms of thermodynamics. Oil, after all, is primarily useful as a source of energy. And it takes energy to get energy (it takes energy to drill an oil well, for example). Energy profits from oil extraction activities were once enormous, and those energy profits got spread throughout society, wherever oil was used. Now, petroleum’s energy profitability is falling fast.
The peak-oil discussion was an effort to warn society ahead of time: Once the dynamic of declining energy profitability really gets rolling, adaptation becomes much more difficult.
While conventional oil wells 50 years ago often had a hundred-to-one energy payback, for example, today’s bitumen production in Canada shows an energy-return-on-energy-invested (EROEI) ratio of between 3:1 and 5:1. This declining energy profitability is why it’s now so hard to produce oil at a financial profit, and also why — even when oil supplies are still expanding — they don’t fuel as much economic growth throughout the economy.
Since oil is the key energy source of modern civilization, the effective EROEI of society as a whole can be said to be declining. It might not be far from the mark to suggest that we are witnessing the early stages of the thermodynamic failure of global industrial society. An earlier phase of the process manifested in the financial crash of 2008; when that occurred, governments and central banks responded by deploying easy money (massive debt, low interest rates) to prop up the system, and this temporarily masked society’s dwindling EROEI. Debt can accomplish this over the short run: Money is effectively a marker for energy, and we can borrow and spend money now on costly energy with the promise that we will pay for it later (hence the massive build-up of debt in the oil industry). But if cheaper-to-produce energy and higher prices don’t emerge soon, those debts will eventually become transparently un-repayable. Hence what is inherently an energy crisis can appear to most observers to be a debt crisis.
The problem of eroding energy profitability is hard to deal with partly because the decline is happening so fast. If we had a couple of decades to prepare for falling thermodynamic efficiency, there are things we could do to soften the blow. That’s what the peak oil discussion was all about: It was an effort to warn society ahead of time. Once the dynamic of declining energy profitability really gets rolling, adaptation becomes much more difficult. Oil no longer provides as much of a stimulus to the economy, which just can’t grow as it did before, and this in turn sets in motion a self-reinforcing feedback loop of stagnating or falling labor productivity, falling wages, falling consumption, reduced ability to re-pay debt, failure to invest in future energy productivity, falling energy supplies, falling tax revenues, and so on. How long can debt continue to substitute for energy before the next traumatic phase of this feedback process begins in earnest? That’s anybody’s guess, but our window for action is likely months or years, not decades.
A robot cleans a row of solar panels at the 102-acre, 15-megawatt Solar Array II Generating Station at Nellis Air Force Base on February 16, 2016, in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images)
What could world leaders do about declining societal EROEI if they took the crisis seriously? Clearly, part of their strategy would entail building an alternative energy supply infrastructure — which must be low-carbon, since we also face the existential threat of climate change. Indeed, some environmentalists say peak oil is a non-issue because whatever we do to tackle climate change will simultaneously solve our oil dilemma. I’m not so sure about that. Most proposed climate mitigation strategies start with transitioning the electricity sector to solar and wind power, and then proceed with a gradual electrification of other energy usage (electric cars, electric air-source heat pumps to heat buildings, etc.). But, as noted, much of the transport sector is hard to electrify. It’s nice to see more Nissan Leafs, Teslas, and Chevy Volts on the road, but those carry people; our real challenge is moving all the stuff we need (food, raw materials, and manufactured goods of all kinds), and that stuff outweighs passengers by an order of magnitude and currently travels mostly by ship and truck.
We need to build a bridge to the energy future, even while the highway we’re on is crumbling beneath us.
Efforts now underway to power trucking and shipping renewably are woefully insufficient. Peak oil demands that we focus on transport now, not later: We should supply substitute renewable fuels where absolutely needed, but we must also quickly and substantially reduce our reliance on long-distance transport through economic re-localization.
As much as I hate to think so, thermodynamic decline and economic contraction could seriously impair our chances for a robust renewable energy transition in response to the threat of climate change. Building enough solar panels and wind turbines, and adapting the ways we use energy (in building heating, in industrial processes, in transportation, in food systems, and on and on), will take time and many trillions of dollars of investment. It will also require stable international markets and supply chains, and those could be thrown into turmoil by the declining thermodynamic profitability of our society’s current primary energy source — unless we can somehow build a bridge to the future while the highway we’re on is crumbling beneath us.
A few of us never stopped studying the nexus of problems subsumed under the rubric of peak oil, and we now have a more sophisticated understanding of oil production and prices, and links with the larger economy. Still, outside a relatively small, well-informed audience, nobody’s listening — because the subject of peak oil has been discredited following a short-term oil supply glut and low oil prices. Even many environmentalists have filed peak oil under “Things Not to Worry About.” (One high-level climate campaigner of my acquaintance has said that peak oil is a lousy issue to organize around — as though we can afford to ignore a gargantuan problem if it offers insufficient fundraising potential). Thankfully, that small, resourceful audience has taken action anyway, in the form of community resilience-building efforts that often fly under the banner of Transition Initiatives and similar networks.
It may be counterproductive even to use the phrase “peak oil” today, though I’ve done so in this essay. After all, we don’t know if the actual maximum in world oil output occurred last year, or will happen this year, next year, or several years from now. This lack of definitive predictive power is the Achilles’ heel of an otherwise useful term. What instead should we call the complex, interrelated set of developments described above? Should we dub it “the thermodynamic collapse of industrial civilization”? That has a nice techno-apocalyptic ring to it and is probably more accurate. But it has too many syllables and requires too much background explanation. Only geeks could ever get it.
Something is happening here, whether we have a snappy buzzword for it or not. And we can’t afford to ignore it, regardless of how hard it is to explain it to economists, policymakers, and even many environmentalists. My colleagues and I keep trying to do just that. But at this point it also makes sense to batten down the hatches and build resilience close to home.
106 Comments on "Heinberg: Is the Oil Industry Dying?"
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 7:51 am
“hearing”…friggen auto fill IPhones and poor eyesight.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:17 am
It was good old Marx himself who said that by interpreting the world, you change it.
Why are you “tired of this shit”? Because perhaps it paints a less favorable picture of the US role in European WW2 history than sold by the MSM and Hollywood?
At some point history will return as a boomerang.
The world view of the people inhabiting the Soviet block collapsed in 1989 with the demise of communism when everthing turned out to be a lie.
It won’t be different with the world view of the westerners after the collapse of the western empire. Everything was a lie. WW2 was the conquest of Europe by the US and USSR, intended by them since 1933 (US) c.q. 192x (USSR). In Nuremberg they created the moral patina to create the excuse for the colonization of Europe sold as “liberation”. But you can’t suppress the truth indefinately.
Furthermore the idea that everybody is going to die is highly premature. There will be more than enough people left to carefully revise what really happened in the 20th century. And the internet will function as a catalyst.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:22 am
As Davy aptly stated the great equalizer –The Overshoot Predator is coming for us all. Jew and Gentile , Muslim and Christian, Black and White. Oh and memo to the Muslim haters on this board. If what your saying is correct about Islam then we would have 24/7 accounts of violence being perpetuated by the 1.5 billion or so Muslims in the World, so either your wrong or the vast majority of Muslims reject violence in the name of Religion. And Lord knows we have provoked them sufficiently
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:35 am
Clog a little talk is fine but the obsessions are like moldy bread. Who cares about 20 century history? We are in a new dimension now. I don’t care about those who say “he who ignores history repeats it”. You are not going to repeat the 20th century or even the last 1000 years. This is different. I especially could give a rat’s ass about MSM and Hollywood. So what about WWII, you dumbass Europeans started it one way or another. Blaming it on the Americans is like blaming your kids. You made the Americans. You even created the state of Israel because of guilt and doubt. It all comes back to dumbass Europeans and their “ism’s” of death, decay, destruction, desecration, disease, and dumbass. That’s the shit of the big D’s of pan Europeanism.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:53 am
Cloggie, so are you saying that the people of the Netherlands prefered the living arrangements they had living under the Nazi boot?
My own mother had to endure that famine when living as a little girl in Amsterdam-Sloterdijk. They eventually survived by eating, how Dutch, tulips bulbs.
My grandfather fulfilled his patriarchal obligations by claiming that “we will still eat these bulbs after the war”, which became a family joke.
About this standard ill-informed “Nazi boot” stuff, from which the vailliant Americans were so kind to liberate us from and en passant added us to their own empire in the process… until today, while imposing the desastrous multicultiral ideology upon us in line with the “Jewish Sharia”, making us all speak English rather than German….
I advise you to read this interesting book, written by a Norwegian officer who served in the US army:
He describes that the German invasion of Norway was prompted by the actions of the British and French allies, as pushed for by Winston Churchill (WC).
It had been WC who had been pushing for the British and French to invade Norway and capture the harbor of Narvik, with the intention to interrupt essential iron ore supplies from Sweden. If they had succeeded the war would have been lost for the Germans before it had started.
In September 1939 the Germans invaded Poland in order to stop the Poles from killing and ethnic cleansing of the Germans forced to live in Versailles Poland.
Interesting Russian comment made in 2009, when Merkel still hadn’t messed up German-Russian relations:
The Germans invaded and the British and French had to declare war on Germany to live up to their insane blanc cheque they had given to the Poles (under strong American pressure, who were keen to get war started in Europe, so they could later intervene and take the joint over).
The very fact that after that declaration nothing happened for 8 months (“Phoney War”) is a clear illustration of the fact that neither the Germans, nor the British and the French were really that keen in waging war against each other, but that they instead were kicked into this war by foreigners (US, USSR and Poland).
Now arriving at the “Nazi boot” stamped on the face of the Dutch… the Dutch government got what it deserved. Their commercial ties with Britain were far older and more important than those with Britain. It was again WC, like in the case with Norway, who exerted massive pressure on the Dutch and Belgians to give up neutrality… and they did. The official reason the Germans gave for the invasion was that they claimed that the Dutch government had secretly agreed to give free passage to the hundreds of thousands of British and French mobilized troops, roaming the French country side, waiting for action. Norway ended in failure, where 8000 Germans had predictably little trouble with 25000 British and French troops. So WC needed a new plan and that was Holland. The idea was to destroy the industrial heart of Germany, the Ruhr area.
After the war, the official state-sponsored Dutch WW2 history writing was outsourced to a Jewish historian Lou de Jong. In 1969 even he admitted that Holland had not been neutral:
So what should the Germans have done: wait for British and French troops to arrive and destroy their industrial capacity?
The Dutch government (not the Dutch people) got what it deserved, a German invasion. In May 1940 the British and French decided to attack Germany proper, not just Norway… and got their asses kicked.
Britain and France, two has beens, who too late understood that they were used to initiate the destruction of Europe by hostile foreign powers USA/USSR.
The Dutch, more blond than Germans, had never anything to fear from the Germans. Dutch membership of the US empire in contrast means multicultural destruction, as organised by the George Soros types, who goes after you as well, but you don’t want to discuss that, because it makes you tired, because we are going to die anyway.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 9:32 am
Sorry, mixed up Davy with that fool apneaman.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:00 am
“Clog a little talk is fine but the obsessions are like moldy bread. Who cares about 20 century history? ”
Then ignore it, Davy.
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:05 am
Clog, I love irritating you. I hope you take it in a friendly way. You complain about history being falsely written then you do the same. How can one ignore that prime target. Lol
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:14 am
“Clog, I love irritating you. I hope you take it in a friendly way”
Don’t worry Davy, I have you and a few others here in high regard, through all these almost five years.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:16 am
Clog said; “ The Dutch, more blond than Germans, had never anything to fear from the Germans….”
….unlike the millions who were rounded up, forced into slavery and, ultimately, death camps. Cloggie (the asshole who accused me of being an apologist for American policy, which he never presented any evidence for) always skips over that part. Next he’ll present some bizarre claim that the holocaust never happened. A painfully adept and horribly deluded individual; Cloggie.
Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. Sick sociopaths can’t hide their true colors, eh?
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:10 am
“Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. ”
I am saying that the idea that we are going to take serious a victor’s court, needs to be rejected.
Currently within the confinements of the US empire, it is not possible to do so.
But you seem to be an expert on the subject, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for you to come up with a name and proof of a single person who was gassed in one of these 6 extermination camps. One will do, not 4-6 million.
And while we are at it… since you are so concerned about people dying in camps… how do you feel that before WW2 began, millions perished in the Gulag of your Soviet ally? That didn’t stop you from siding with them against Germany, did it? As long as you could add Germany, Japan and other countries to your empire, everything was justified, including firing bombing all German cities and even nuking two Japanese cities.
As long as you are unable to provide evidence of even a single gassed person, we are going to leave the possibility open that you and your Soviet palls made it all up to make yourself look good and create the excuse to keep Europe colonized.
Success!
(already figured out who did 9/11?)
Bonus: complete film The Chekist, a film made by Russians, directly after the imposion of the USSR; not for the faint-hearted:
And remember, it were these people who presided over the Nuremberg Stalinist show trial and who we should accept as our moral betters. Otherwise ghung will have his feelings hurt.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:17 am
The US is not an empire builder in the traditional sense. They will fight for the idea of free trade. But a Saudi, Canadian, European, Chinese, Japanese or about anyone can buy stock in any company and participate. They like the idea of every human having that opportunity. They also like the idea of any one human wanting to build a corporation to have the right to do so.
Many nations have bought into this ifdeaa
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:17 am
“Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. ””
On the contrary, neither Churchill, de Gaulle nor Eisenhower in their extensive memoires ever explicitly refered to an extermination campaign, merely “the pligth of the Jews”, which was bad enough.
The whole concept of “holocaust” originated from ca. 1970 and was unheard of before.
Interesting enough, this six million figure appeared in a large number of Jewish publications, decades before WW2, hardening the suspicion that organized Jewry were looking for an opportunity/event to attach that figure to.
Ghung still wants to peddle the idea of benevolent hegemon, where everybody with a brain should have known better by know.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:21 am
Cloggie, today is Sunday. Is that a conspiracy too?
There really is no difference (psycologically) in hard core religionists and hard core conspiracy theroists. Both have an overwhelming need to find patterns and agency in everything. Has to do with fear of being powerless. More humans making up stories to soothe their anxieties. Not all that different than the mind of the medieval man where god or witches or demons were behind every storm or plague or crop failure. Not all that much has changed. So much for Sagan’s candle in the dark.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:25 am
To say say all these countries are puppets or under some kind of control is extreme exaggeration. The idea of globalism is just a capitalistic quest for equal and fair markets.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:32 am
Last year for some unexplicable reason the first German television aired an interview with Ursula Haverbeck (87) and let her speak freely about the holocaust, that according to her didn’t happen:
She is now in jail.
Free speech much?
Better not watch, her arguments are reasonable and coherently expressed.
I think that in the end of the day, Vladimir Putin will spill the beans, since he has all the documents and drive the final nail in the coffin of the US empire.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:43 am
Boat, it’s an empire. A modern empire with 800 – 1000 military bases worldwide. What are they for? What do you call having military bases in countries – Germany, Japan – that you bombed into submission 70 years ago? This is what empires do boat. If you are trying to suggest that empires are all killing all the time then you are not well studied on empires of the past. Coercion, puppet rulers, carrot and stick are all part of the empire playbook too. The biggest difference about the American empire and those of the past is their citizens and rulers never pretended otherwise. Very peculiar that.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 12:51 pm
“The idea of globalism is just a capitalistic quest for equal and fair markets.” I nominate this for the dumbest quote of the day. Cmon Boat surely you must know by now that Capitalists in the modern era want anything but an equal and fair playing field. Your right though that the US in not a traditional Empire because Conquest in modernity has mostly relied on Economic means rather than sheer violence. Oh and when needed the US military has enforced the Financial hegemony of Capitalism and the Rule of money which is the real Empire. As for Cloggie comments about the Holocaust, I am known as an American who speaks bad about the US and into conspiracy when legitimate but this is lunacy. It did happen as evidenced by many photos, articles and eyewitness accounts. It also fits perfectly into all the vitriol spewed by Nazis against Jews and other undesirables.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 12:59 pm
ape,
“A modern empire with 800 – 1000 military bases worldwide. What are they for? What do you call having military bases in countries – Germany, Japan – that you bombed into submission 70 years ago?”
Times change, Japan and S Korea for example like being an alley with a country that can provide not only trade but the latest tech in military systems. Germany has benefited from free trade among any other nations. Any or all of them could reject troops if they wanted to. Any or all of them could reject free trade if they wanted to. They embrace free trade because to do otherwise would invite economic suicide. US troops have become a small side issue.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:26 pm
Boat what about all the poor countries around the world exploited by the International financial hegemony? You thinks all these millions and billions like be slaves of this system. You think it is a coincidence the all the military bases or the huge legal and black market trade in weapons. No it is about the financial system obligating all too conform and making sure they do either with bribery or threat. My goodness what blissful ignorance
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:43 pm
onlooker,
Of course any one company or industry looks for an advantage. But you paint with too broad a brush. Solar competes with with wind, nat gas, coal, geothermal etc. Which companies get government support changes over time. Regulations change over time. Who questions their right to compete?
Open free markets deliver what customers want. They vote with with their money. Humans distort that market at times but the trend is pushing for broader more equal terms so that trade will increase.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:59 pm
That is wrong Boat. And the glaring example is fossil fuels. The Oil companies engaged and false and misleading advertising, companies like Exxon for years lied and misled about the dangers of global warming. You think consumers would have been so eager to consume fossil fuels knowing the profound effect and menace they represented. Even dumb humans probably would have altered somewhat their behavior knowing the true facts. The Govt only too happy to subsidize the fossil fuel industry and leave the Renewable sector unattended. Another example Mexico, cheap GMO corn flooding their markets, not a equitable and fair transaction. Simply, the Mexican govt acceding to this probably with huge payoffs. Meanwhile Mexican farmers ruined, some probably entering the drug business as a way to survive. Even in the US, many small towns would have preferred NO Walmart in their area but guess what you cannot uncorrupt local officials or hold at bay for too long a ravenous monopolistic potency like Walmart.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:00 pm
“Boat what about all the poor countries around the world exploited by the International financial hegemony? You thinks all these millions and billions like be slaves of this system”
Those millions and billions didn’t adjust and take advantage of capitalism did they. Most of them live like past generations. How could you blame capitalism for that. International financial hegemony can’t be blamed for their instance on huge families where starvation is and always been a problem. Blame religion, tradition or culture, but capitalism?
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:06 pm
Being overpopulated and being exploited are two different things. Just because a given country is overpopulated does not give the right for Transnational companies and rich countries to exploit those millions and billions. So yes I do blame Capitalism not for overpopulation but for exploitation. The exploitation has reached the levels of prolific suicide rates in places like India where small time farmers cannot compete with the pervasive power of Industrial AG.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:07 pm
Boat, you’re sounding desperate. It is what it is. Man up for fuck sakes. It’s not like you’re being held personally responsible for all the empires crimes. Another thing how can the US be for “free trade” when they are responsible for so many official trade sanctions? You can’t have it both ways. Again you have blinded yourself to another very obvious contradiction. Methinks this is because you want the story to be true. You have a big emotional investment in it. It’s bullshit boat. How many contradictions do I need to point out for you? Maybe you are just too wedded to the national myth. You are always arguing from your back foot buddy. Again, you do not see this.
Boat, another thing you don’t seem to understand is that humans have been trading freely since the very beginning. Your daughter for my spear and such. Trade is a part of human history and please stop using that stupid fucking term “free trade”. It’s not free under capitalism or any system that ever existed. Taxes, duties, tariffs, etc. Maybe drug dealing is actual free trade since they ain’t being squeezed by the government…..oh wait, I forgot bribes – not free either. The last time trade was free was before the agricultural revolution and civilization when your way back grandy traded some obsidian to my way back grandad for some flint.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:18 pm
“The Oil companies engaged and false and misleading advertising, companies like Exxon for years lied and misled about the dangers of global warming”
Oh good grief, blame oil, shouldn’t you blame governments instead? Humans make bad decisions all the time. This is not the fault of capitalism. Capitalism is guided and lives within the prevailing regulations that continuously evolve. Different countries react continuously as their interests evolve. Don’t blame capitalism for poor judgement. Blame that group of Humans.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:29 pm
Surely that is true humans are often guilty of poor judgement. However, in this case the true facts were kept suppressed. Thus no rationale/informed decision could be made by humans regarding the wisdom of proceeding to emit CO2 into the atmosphere in increasing amounts.
JuanP on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:33 pm
Boat, You really are full of it! LOL!
peakyeast on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:45 pm
Boat – you should consider watching Stefan Molyneux on “The Fall of Rome” as linked to previously here on PO.COM.
I found it very entertaining and containing a lot of interesting views and facts.
It is worth listening to – and watching.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:08 pm
Cloggie said; “But you seem to be an expert on the subject, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for you to come up with a name and proof of a single person who was gassed in one of these 6 extermination camps.”
Would my mother-in-law’s entire family do, Clogg? She was an 11-year-old jew in Lithuania when your overlords showed up. Only she made it out, with the help of a great uncle who was resistance. My wife’s family still has his journals; names, dates, places. But what would you care? How many of your people were cowering in their homes, watching it all play out from the cheap seats, their offspring now too ashamed to acknowledge it even happened.
Fuck you, Clogscum. As I said, above, you are utterly dishonest and I’ll add, devoid of any sort of honor. There’s a multi-generational pox on your house that you’re stuck with the rest of your pitiful life.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:11 pm
onlooker
“Much of the scientific knowledge needed to understand global warming has been in place since the early 1960s (Weart 2003; Maslin 2004). Following early scientific discoveries on the ‘greenhouse effect’ at the end of the nineteenth century, the basic physical science underlying the theory and empirical evidence for global warming was supported through wartime and post-World War II scientific enterprise to master nuclear weaponry and understand how nuclear radiation and fallout would travel throughout the atmosphere and terrestrial and marine environments. Given this basic set of scientific facts about global warming available by the 1960s, the issue of global warming could have emerged at least on the western social and political agenda much earlier than it did.”
Since the 1970s, ExxonMobil engaged in research, lobbying, advertising, and grant making, some of which were conducted with the purpose of delaying widespread acceptance and action on global warming
So if science was warning the population about global warming since the 60’s what is the excuse for politicians?
James Hansen during his 1988 testimony to Congress, which alerted the public to the dangers of global warming.
Even today presidential candidates challenged the idea of climate change.
Trump’s tweet said, “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”
We even have Trump supports on this site. lol
Blame them.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:16 pm
Coggie said; “Ghung still wants to peddle the idea of benevolent hegemon, where everybody with a brain should have known better by know.”
Yet another lie, Clog. Since you’ve yet to answer my challenges to produce proof of the things you attribute to me, I won’t ask for any now.
Question: Do you even know when you lying or not? I don’t suppose a gollum would.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:27 pm
Politics and politicians are part of the corrupt systemic infrastructure. The Science was known yes. But who had the aptitude, time and inclination to research this Science of global warming. We, Americans always had a naive sense that our Institutions were working for our benefit. The Mass Media, the Government, the Corporations. Well, quite the contrary. The only allegiance these entities ever had was to their own desire for wealth and power or their subservience to this nefarious agenda.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 4:37 pm
onlooker,
If you expect any company to police itself shows your nuts, naive or just comfortable with misinformation. The history of man shows the opposite. The history is man making some kind of clumsy regulation in response and reaction to a real or perceived bad or condition.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 4:41 pm
“Would my mother-in-law’s entire family do, Clogg? She was an 11-year-old jew in Lithuania when your overlords showed up.”
You are evading an answer to my gaschamber question and instead refer to many Jews who were killed in Lithuania, completly leaving out the context.
First of all, most Jews were killed by Lithuanians, not the Germans, on the moment the Germans arrived. The Germans were seen as liberators, from the Soviets for good reason, who exercised a regime of terror under the Lithuanians. And the local Jews mostly supported the Soviet invasion and many were involved in heinous attrocities against the locals while implementing communism, the largest desaster in human history, that would not have happened without the Jews.
Before you unload your seething anger, perhaps you read this (Jewish) source first:
Meanwhile, thanks to Putin, Russia has finally been liberated from these people, most of whom went to Israel where they belong. Now the last territory that needs to be liberated is the US. That’s coming, in response to the destruction of that country, as a result of the work of your pets:
Calculate a few million dead resulting from the disintegration of this XXL Yugoslavia.
Oh and now I understand bettter that hint of yours that Jews should rule the West and the world, the old Jewish dream, because of these 23% Nobel prices. News flash: not going to happen. Your NWO is dead in the water, including the lies it was built upon.
On behalf of the tens of millions that perished in the Gulag, of the millions of Germans who were burned alive because they resisted becoming part of the US empire, a heart felt fuck you.
The Jewish author Yuri Slezkine wrote a book titled “The Jewish Century”, correctly refering to the 20th century.
But the 20th century is over and so is the Jewish century. Have fun with growing oranges in the Kibbutz, mazzeltov. Nobody needs you and your insane dreams of power and absolute contempt for gentiles.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:02 pm
Boat
“So if science was warning the population about global warming since the 60’s what is the excuse for politicians?”
88% of Congress On Gas Industry Payroll As Campaign Donations Hit Record Level
Boater, apparently the oil industry boys have plenty of capital to buy their way. This is how capitalism works. Even more so recently since corporations are people too – something cheered in by many capitalists.
Boat you are at it again. Anything good and you credit capitalism (the system) anything bad, like the political climate change inaction, you are trying to lay on “individual” politicians who are in fact simply working the capitalist system. It’s not against the law to take that money nor deny AGW under the capitalist system. Again, you are trying to have it both ways.
Capitalism is just system boat. A human construct and it has changed quite a bit in my lifetime. You defend it like a Christian or Muslim apologist. I think the reason capitalism has won out is because it is the system that lets the humans exercise their biological growth imperative the best. It helps the yeasty humans consume the world’s store of sugar faster than any other system they could come up with. Dopamine hits galore. Guess what happens when the sugar runs out boater? Three cheers for the system that most resembles a cancerous growth. As the sugar continues to deplete all you will be left with boat is a dead belief system. What good is your cargo cult without loads and loads of cheap energy? Nothing. It was all that super abundant and cheap energy that made capitalism – it’s a by product of cheap and plentiful energy and will disappear.
Love to keep chatting boat, but my sister is on her way here to pick up her barbeque I just fixed (regulator) and she is bringing me a couple of A&W Teen Burgers, onion rings and a big Root Beer to thank me. I guess I should be grateful to American ingenuity and capitalism for inventing fastfood and the hamburger eh? Yeah, that pair supposedly invented everything.
The 1,500-year-old recipe that shows how Romans invented the beef burger
No Boat, did not expect it. Quite the contrary. Just pointing out the painfully obvious. In a world obsessed with material conquests and gratification do not expect any man made Institution to be clean cut, dutiful, and full of integrity. These are exceptions not common characteristics of humans and their societies. In fact based on evolutionary history and our recorded history things have played out pretty much as expected. Self interest and ape behavior winning out over more advanced collective enlightenment. It is too bad technology advances so much allowing us to make such a bigger mess of things.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:12 pm
Yep, Capitalism is greed multiplied by a million, a billion oh wait about 7 billion times. Ring a bell?
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:17 pm
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:04 pm
Excellent comment. Except for the last sentence. Just because tech made our lives better, easier, healthier, don’t blame tech for not being able to hold population to say a hypothetical 2 billion population.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:44 pm
No Boat, not holding down population but all the cons of Tech. Yes, Tech has done good things for mostly people in rich countries but it also allowed for massive exploitation and destruction of the ecosystems and environment. Also, introducing widespread radiation and threats of radiation and nuclear holocaust being unleashed. Now GMO’s being introduced with unknown consequences. Also, chemicals contaminating the entire Earth. Again with unknown but probably deleterious consequences for most of life on Earth. finally of course fossil fuels allowing us to basically tamper with the Climate system of Earth. So, technology has literally been a double edged sword. Like giving gun to a little child, we know little children can be reckless but with a gun that recklessness can be fatal and so with advanced technology in the hands of humans.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:21 pm
Cloggie said; ” Nobody needs you and your insane dreams of power and absolute contempt for gentiles.”
I’m not Jewish. Another of your dishonest and insane attributions. That said, I’ll reserve my contempt for psychopaths like you.
Cloggie on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 4:13 am
Grandmasters of the Lie latest:
“I’m not Jewish”
Gentiles don’t use the word “gollum” if they want to insult another gentile.
But your short reply furthermore shows that you are cornered again. Nothing to say of substance about 9/11, that was done by Israel and a few US traitors like Cheney. Nothing to say about “gaschambers” and instead present an unverifiable sob story from Lithuania, 75 years ago.
But your pets never had a chance against Europeans and instead had to organise a coalition of Soviets and Americans to get us temporarily down in 1945. Here the Soviet and American Jew responsible for linking the two together as a first act of the Roosevelt government, where no civilised European nation had contemplated to recognize this human slaughter house USSR:
…try to push the world into WW3, now against Russia instead of Germany, because Russia, like Germany in 1939, refused to become a meek member of the NWO.
Hilarious to watch the real Jewish US primus inter pares president Richard Haass [0:25] listening silently in horror to what Bernstein had to say about these “Jewish neocons”. It was Bernstein who was responsible for the downfall of Nixon over the Watergate non-event. Nixon had to fall because of his anti-Jewish intentions as expressed in these recently released taped conversations with Billy Graham, when they agreed that “something had to be done about Jewish power in the US”. Bernsteins words reveal that he is extremely uneasy about the power position of the Jews in the US.
WW2 was the intentional rape of Germany by USA, USSR, UK, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Canada, Australia and the rest of the British empire, Norway, Holland and Belgium.
GDP distribution 1941 main contestants:
USA 29%
USSR 13%
British empire 11%
France 5%
(total 56%)
Germany 11%
You see, the Germans never had a chance to begin with.
Fortunately, no such constellation exists today vis a vis Russia, that has much, much better cards, thanks to China. And the European right has no sympathy for Washington whatsoever, and neither has Trump and his followers.
So, what are you going to do about it, commissar ghung?
In reality, Washington will not be able to mobilize America in a full scale war against Russia and China. In contrast to 1941, in 2016 America is a demoralized spent force. You just have to read the endless doomer posts on this forum, where I strongly suspect that “peak oil” is a pc accceptable outlet to express despair with the state of the US in general, demographically, economically, financially, with peak oil largely being a fig leaf. Nobody here, apart from certified fools like Boat, seriously believe that the US will fullfill its century old mission, imposed by your pets, and ram the entire world into a single power pyramid, with your pets on top as the cherry on the cake. Dream on.
Somebody here eloquently said that “the large US cities are nine meals away from chaos”. Once that chaos will erupt, expect that soon that chaos would evolve in a conflict with stark racial undertones which will lead to a split-up of the old republic, exactly as Kunstler predicted. As you might expect, we Europeans (Paris-Berlin-Moscow) will be more interested in hoisting a Kunstler’s “where Dolly Parton meets Hitler” republic into the saddle, than maintaining good relations with Greater Baltimore, as the former would rule out a last minute US-Chinese alliance a la US-USSR 1933.
So there you have it ghung, enjoy your descent into nothingness.
Boat on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:15 am
Clog,
“WW2 was the intentional rape of Germany by USA, USSR, UK, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Canada, Australia and the rest of the British empire, Norway, Holland and Belgium.”
German Americans were the largest segment of population in the US during WWII. They were a vital key at home and abroad to taking their mother country down.
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:23 am
Cloggie, close your cake hole you little emasculated half faggit Dutchboy. Where I come from only the women wear clogs. Limp wristed Euro-pansy.
ghung on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 11:24 am
Cloggie said; “But your short reply furthermore shows that you are cornered again./i>
I’ve only ever been cornered in your sickly inflated ego. Not sure what leads you to believe your own bullshit, but I put absolutely no stock in you or anything you’ve ever posted. What’s funny/sad is that you work so hard at it.
I suspect you’re trying to impress yourself; compensating for your own lack of any redeeming character traits what-so-ever. Must really suck being you, with your pitiful delusions of grandeur. I think that, deep down, you know that your persona of self-importance fails at every level.
Boat on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 11:36 am
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:23 am
You don’t have some red wooden clogs with a dala horse and cute little flowers? Dancing around the maypole in those knickers.
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 12:25 pm
Boat, I had to look up Dala horse. So much for me knowing shit about my Swedish ancestry eh? I think I’ll go binge watch “Vikings” again.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 12:43 pm
Cloggie, you know it wasn’t Germany going it completely alone in the Axis during ww2, riiight?? Looks like all of the GDP power was already on this side of the Atlantic, and Fascist had some of that power, and were more than ready to play ball with Germany. Prescott Bush and Dupont come to mind, along with many many other rich powerful Americans at the time.
Cloggie on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 1:06 pm
Boat: “German Americans were the largest segment of population in the US during WWII. They were a vital key at home and abroad to taking their mother country down.”
It is unlikely that these “Germans” were the brightest Germany had to offer, but rather under classes, so-called “huddled masses”, those who couldn’t make in the Heimat (read: not the brighest ones) and decided to try their luck on the other side of the Atlantic, where free soil was waiting for them, after wacking a few “Indians”. And from a psychological point of view were keen to tell themselves that they made the right move.
Meanwhile, these “Germans” and others are populating the stadiums where Trump speaks and the brightest ones begin to realize that the so-called “Greatest Generation” were in reality a bunch of suckers, who volunteered to risk their lives to destroy Germany on behalf of those, let’s call them oligarchs not to hurt the feelings of commissar ghung, who wanted to phase out these European-Americans from existence, a process now in full swing.
Still think America is great or will be ever again, with all these Baltimore’s, Milwaukee’s, Ferguson’s and all the other “Shining Cities upon a Hill”, when rioters now even begin to plunder when a black police officer downs a black “brain surgeon”?
Last week in Chicago, a staggering 100 blacks were shot by other blacks, with 24 killed, double the amount fascist Italy killed internally during its entire two decades existance.
Let’s face it: the story of America (in its present shape) is over, although most posters here, leftists and committed to the prevalent cosmopolitan globalist value system, don’t want to acknowledge that.
The coming election is going to be a turning point in American history. There will be no return to the old normal. The party landscape from now on will become polarized between the globalist (“communist”) One World imperialists of the Dems and the White Party formerly known as the Reps.
If Trump would be defeated, the Rep establishment will probably attempt to purge the party and ensure that never again an anti-globalist will hijack the party ever again. The result will be that the Reps would purge the party of its electorate as well.
The Reps are broken beyond repair. Perhaps a new party will be founded, named the Constitutionalist Party or similar. But its voters will soon find out that they will never win an election again.
And once that happens, European America will begin to prepare to leave the union, if a crisis will not have initiated the breakup of the country first.
Bonus video for commissar ghung:
Soviet occupation Lithuania, the film Spielberg will refuse to make:
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 7:51 am
“hearing”…friggen auto fill IPhones and poor eyesight.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:17 am
It was good old Marx himself who said that by interpreting the world, you change it.
Why are you “tired of this shit”? Because perhaps it paints a less favorable picture of the US role in European WW2 history than sold by the MSM and Hollywood?
At some point history will return as a boomerang.
The world view of the people inhabiting the Soviet block collapsed in 1989 with the demise of communism when everthing turned out to be a lie.
It won’t be different with the world view of the westerners after the collapse of the western empire. Everything was a lie. WW2 was the conquest of Europe by the US and USSR, intended by them since 1933 (US) c.q. 192x (USSR). In Nuremberg they created the moral patina to create the excuse for the colonization of Europe sold as “liberation”. But you can’t suppress the truth indefinately.
Furthermore the idea that everybody is going to die is highly premature. There will be more than enough people left to carefully revise what really happened in the 20th century. And the internet will function as a catalyst.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:22 am
As Davy aptly stated the great equalizer –The Overshoot Predator is coming for us all. Jew and Gentile , Muslim and Christian, Black and White. Oh and memo to the Muslim haters on this board. If what your saying is correct about Islam then we would have 24/7 accounts of violence being perpetuated by the 1.5 billion or so Muslims in the World, so either your wrong or the vast majority of Muslims reject violence in the name of Religion. And Lord knows we have provoked them sufficiently
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:35 am
Clog a little talk is fine but the obsessions are like moldy bread. Who cares about 20 century history? We are in a new dimension now. I don’t care about those who say “he who ignores history repeats it”. You are not going to repeat the 20th century or even the last 1000 years. This is different. I especially could give a rat’s ass about MSM and Hollywood. So what about WWII, you dumbass Europeans started it one way or another. Blaming it on the Americans is like blaming your kids. You made the Americans. You even created the state of Israel because of guilt and doubt. It all comes back to dumbass Europeans and their “ism’s” of death, decay, destruction, desecration, disease, and dumbass. That’s the shit of the big D’s of pan Europeanism.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:53 am
Cloggie, so are you saying that the people of the Netherlands prefered the living arrangements they had living under the Nazi boot?
Dutch famine of 1944–45
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 9:31 am
My own mother had to endure that famine when living as a little girl in Amsterdam-Sloterdijk. They eventually survived by eating, how Dutch, tulips bulbs.
My grandfather fulfilled his patriarchal obligations by claiming that “we will still eat these bulbs after the war”, which became a family joke.
About this standard ill-informed “Nazi boot” stuff, from which the vailliant Americans were so kind to liberate us from and en passant added us to their own empire in the process… until today, while imposing the desastrous multicultiral ideology upon us in line with the “Jewish Sharia”, making us all speak English rather than German….
I advise you to read this interesting book, written by a Norwegian officer who served in the US army:
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Pre-Emptive-War-Battle-Norway/dp/1932033920
Not really a “neo-Nazi”, whatever that may be.
He describes that the German invasion of Norway was prompted by the actions of the British and French allies, as pushed for by Winston Churchill (WC).
It had been WC who had been pushing for the British and French to invade Norway and capture the harbor of Narvik, with the intention to interrupt essential iron ore supplies from Sweden. If they had succeeded the war would have been lost for the Germans before it had started.
In September 1939 the Germans invaded Poland in order to stop the Poles from killing and ethnic cleansing of the Germans forced to live in Versailles Poland.
Interesting Russian comment made in 2009, when Merkel still hadn’t messed up German-Russian relations:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5445161/Russia-accuses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html
The Germans invaded and the British and French had to declare war on Germany to live up to their insane blanc cheque they had given to the Poles (under strong American pressure, who were keen to get war started in Europe, so they could later intervene and take the joint over).
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_weber.html
The very fact that after that declaration nothing happened for 8 months (“Phoney War”) is a clear illustration of the fact that neither the Germans, nor the British and the French were really that keen in waging war against each other, but that they instead were kicked into this war by foreigners (US, USSR and Poland).
Now arriving at the “Nazi boot” stamped on the face of the Dutch… the Dutch government got what it deserved. Their commercial ties with Britain were far older and more important than those with Britain. It was again WC, like in the case with Norway, who exerted massive pressure on the Dutch and Belgians to give up neutrality… and they did. The official reason the Germans gave for the invasion was that they claimed that the Dutch government had secretly agreed to give free passage to the hundreds of thousands of British and French mobilized troops, roaming the French country side, waiting for action. Norway ended in failure, where 8000 Germans had predictably little trouble with 25000 British and French troops. So WC needed a new plan and that was Holland. The idea was to destroy the industrial heart of Germany, the Ruhr area.
After the war, the official state-sponsored Dutch WW2 history writing was outsourced to a Jewish historian Lou de Jong. In 1969 even he admitted that Holland had not been neutral:
https://gerard1945.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/nederland-was-niet-neutraal/
So what should the Germans have done: wait for British and French troops to arrive and destroy their industrial capacity?
The Dutch government (not the Dutch people) got what it deserved, a German invasion. In May 1940 the British and French decided to attack Germany proper, not just Norway… and got their asses kicked.
Britain and France, two has beens, who too late understood that they were used to initiate the destruction of Europe by hostile foreign powers USA/USSR.
The Dutch, more blond than Germans, had never anything to fear from the Germans. Dutch membership of the US empire in contrast means multicultural destruction, as organised by the George Soros types, who goes after you as well, but you don’t want to discuss that, because it makes you tired, because we are going to die anyway.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 9:32 am
Sorry, mixed up Davy with that fool apneaman.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:00 am
“Clog a little talk is fine but the obsessions are like moldy bread. Who cares about 20 century history? ”
Then ignore it, Davy.
Davy on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:05 am
Clog, I love irritating you. I hope you take it in a friendly way. You complain about history being falsely written then you do the same. How can one ignore that prime target. Lol
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:14 am
“Clog, I love irritating you. I hope you take it in a friendly way”
Don’t worry Davy, I have you and a few others here in high regard, through all these almost five years.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 10:16 am
Clog said; “ The Dutch, more blond than Germans, had never anything to fear from the Germans….”
….unlike the millions who were rounded up, forced into slavery and, ultimately, death camps. Cloggie (the asshole who accused me of being an apologist for American policy, which he never presented any evidence for) always skips over that part. Next he’ll present some bizarre claim that the holocaust never happened. A painfully adept and horribly deluded individual; Cloggie.
Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. Sick sociopaths can’t hide their true colors, eh?
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:10 am
“Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. ”
I am saying that the idea that we are going to take serious a victor’s court, needs to be rejected.
Currently within the confinements of the US empire, it is not possible to do so.
But you seem to be an expert on the subject, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for you to come up with a name and proof of a single person who was gassed in one of these 6 extermination camps. One will do, not 4-6 million.
And while we are at it… since you are so concerned about people dying in camps… how do you feel that before WW2 began, millions perished in the Gulag of your Soviet ally? That didn’t stop you from siding with them against Germany, did it? As long as you could add Germany, Japan and other countries to your empire, everything was justified, including firing bombing all German cities and even nuking two Japanese cities.
As long as you are unable to provide evidence of even a single gassed person, we are going to leave the possibility open that you and your Soviet palls made it all up to make yourself look good and create the excuse to keep Europe colonized.
Success!
(already figured out who did 9/11?)
Bonus: complete film The Chekist, a film made by Russians, directly after the imposion of the USSR; not for the faint-hearted:
https://youtu.be/_RQVSHfuPCQ
And remember, it were these people who presided over the Nuremberg Stalinist show trial and who we should accept as our moral betters. Otherwise ghung will have his feelings hurt.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:17 am
The US is not an empire builder in the traditional sense. They will fight for the idea of free trade. But a Saudi, Canadian, European, Chinese, Japanese or about anyone can buy stock in any company and participate. They like the idea of every human having that opportunity. They also like the idea of any one human wanting to build a corporation to have the right to do so.
Many nations have bought into this ifdeaa
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:17 am
“Next he’ll want us to believe that Auschwitz-Birkenau was Churchill’s idea. ””
On the contrary, neither Churchill, de Gaulle nor Eisenhower in their extensive memoires ever explicitly refered to an extermination campaign, merely “the pligth of the Jews”, which was bad enough.
The whole concept of “holocaust” originated from ca. 1970 and was unheard of before.
Interesting enough, this six million figure appeared in a large number of Jewish publications, decades before WW2, hardening the suspicion that organized Jewry were looking for an opportunity/event to attach that figure to.
http://armedwithknowledge.blogspot.nl/2011/07/six-million-jews-nineteen-times-1900.html
Ghung still wants to peddle the idea of benevolent hegemon, where everybody with a brain should have known better by know.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:21 am
Cloggie, today is Sunday. Is that a conspiracy too?
There really is no difference (psycologically) in hard core religionists and hard core conspiracy theroists. Both have an overwhelming need to find patterns and agency in everything. Has to do with fear of being powerless. More humans making up stories to soothe their anxieties. Not all that different than the mind of the medieval man where god or witches or demons were behind every storm or plague or crop failure. Not all that much has changed. So much for Sagan’s candle in the dark.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:25 am
To say say all these countries are puppets or under some kind of control is extreme exaggeration. The idea of globalism is just a capitalistic quest for equal and fair markets.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:32 am
Last year for some unexplicable reason the first German television aired an interview with Ursula Haverbeck (87) and let her speak freely about the holocaust, that according to her didn’t happen:
https://youtu.be/WPa_QeV9KDM
(with English subs)
She is now in jail.
Free speech much?
Better not watch, her arguments are reasonable and coherently expressed.
I think that in the end of the day, Vladimir Putin will spill the beans, since he has all the documents and drive the final nail in the coffin of the US empire.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 11:43 am
Boat, it’s an empire. A modern empire with 800 – 1000 military bases worldwide. What are they for? What do you call having military bases in countries – Germany, Japan – that you bombed into submission 70 years ago? This is what empires do boat. If you are trying to suggest that empires are all killing all the time then you are not well studied on empires of the past. Coercion, puppet rulers, carrot and stick are all part of the empire playbook too. The biggest difference about the American empire and those of the past is their citizens and rulers never pretended otherwise. Very peculiar that.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 12:51 pm
“The idea of globalism is just a capitalistic quest for equal and fair markets.” I nominate this for the dumbest quote of the day. Cmon Boat surely you must know by now that Capitalists in the modern era want anything but an equal and fair playing field. Your right though that the US in not a traditional Empire because Conquest in modernity has mostly relied on Economic means rather than sheer violence. Oh and when needed the US military has enforced the Financial hegemony of Capitalism and the Rule of money which is the real Empire. As for Cloggie comments about the Holocaust, I am known as an American who speaks bad about the US and into conspiracy when legitimate but this is lunacy. It did happen as evidenced by many photos, articles and eyewitness accounts. It also fits perfectly into all the vitriol spewed by Nazis against Jews and other undesirables.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 12:59 pm
ape,
“A modern empire with 800 – 1000 military bases worldwide. What are they for? What do you call having military bases in countries – Germany, Japan – that you bombed into submission 70 years ago?”
Times change, Japan and S Korea for example like being an alley with a country that can provide not only trade but the latest tech in military systems. Germany has benefited from free trade among any other nations. Any or all of them could reject troops if they wanted to. Any or all of them could reject free trade if they wanted to. They embrace free trade because to do otherwise would invite economic suicide. US troops have become a small side issue.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:26 pm
Boat what about all the poor countries around the world exploited by the International financial hegemony? You thinks all these millions and billions like be slaves of this system. You think it is a coincidence the all the military bases or the huge legal and black market trade in weapons. No it is about the financial system obligating all too conform and making sure they do either with bribery or threat. My goodness what blissful ignorance
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:43 pm
onlooker,
Of course any one company or industry looks for an advantage. But you paint with too broad a brush. Solar competes with with wind, nat gas, coal, geothermal etc. Which companies get government support changes over time. Regulations change over time. Who questions their right to compete?
Open free markets deliver what customers want. They vote with with their money. Humans distort that market at times but the trend is pushing for broader more equal terms so that trade will increase.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 1:59 pm
That is wrong Boat. And the glaring example is fossil fuels. The Oil companies engaged and false and misleading advertising, companies like Exxon for years lied and misled about the dangers of global warming. You think consumers would have been so eager to consume fossil fuels knowing the profound effect and menace they represented. Even dumb humans probably would have altered somewhat their behavior knowing the true facts. The Govt only too happy to subsidize the fossil fuel industry and leave the Renewable sector unattended. Another example Mexico, cheap GMO corn flooding their markets, not a equitable and fair transaction. Simply, the Mexican govt acceding to this probably with huge payoffs. Meanwhile Mexican farmers ruined, some probably entering the drug business as a way to survive. Even in the US, many small towns would have preferred NO Walmart in their area but guess what you cannot uncorrupt local officials or hold at bay for too long a ravenous monopolistic potency like Walmart.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:00 pm
“Boat what about all the poor countries around the world exploited by the International financial hegemony? You thinks all these millions and billions like be slaves of this system”
Those millions and billions didn’t adjust and take advantage of capitalism did they. Most of them live like past generations. How could you blame capitalism for that. International financial hegemony can’t be blamed for their instance on huge families where starvation is and always been a problem. Blame religion, tradition or culture, but capitalism?
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:06 pm
Being overpopulated and being exploited are two different things. Just because a given country is overpopulated does not give the right for Transnational companies and rich countries to exploit those millions and billions. So yes I do blame Capitalism not for overpopulation but for exploitation. The exploitation has reached the levels of prolific suicide rates in places like India where small time farmers cannot compete with the pervasive power of Industrial AG.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:07 pm
Boat, you’re sounding desperate. It is what it is. Man up for fuck sakes. It’s not like you’re being held personally responsible for all the empires crimes. Another thing how can the US be for “free trade” when they are responsible for so many official trade sanctions? You can’t have it both ways. Again you have blinded yourself to another very obvious contradiction. Methinks this is because you want the story to be true. You have a big emotional investment in it. It’s bullshit boat. How many contradictions do I need to point out for you? Maybe you are just too wedded to the national myth. You are always arguing from your back foot buddy. Again, you do not see this.
Boat, another thing you don’t seem to understand is that humans have been trading freely since the very beginning. Your daughter for my spear and such. Trade is a part of human history and please stop using that stupid fucking term “free trade”. It’s not free under capitalism or any system that ever existed. Taxes, duties, tariffs, etc. Maybe drug dealing is actual free trade since they ain’t being squeezed by the government…..oh wait, I forgot bribes – not free either. The last time trade was free was before the agricultural revolution and civilization when your way back grandy traded some obsidian to my way back grandad for some flint.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:18 pm
“The Oil companies engaged and false and misleading advertising, companies like Exxon for years lied and misled about the dangers of global warming”
Oh good grief, blame oil, shouldn’t you blame governments instead? Humans make bad decisions all the time. This is not the fault of capitalism. Capitalism is guided and lives within the prevailing regulations that continuously evolve. Different countries react continuously as their interests evolve. Don’t blame capitalism for poor judgement. Blame that group of Humans.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:29 pm
Surely that is true humans are often guilty of poor judgement. However, in this case the true facts were kept suppressed. Thus no rationale/informed decision could be made by humans regarding the wisdom of proceeding to emit CO2 into the atmosphere in increasing amounts.
JuanP on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:33 pm
Boat, You really are full of it! LOL!
peakyeast on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 2:45 pm
Boat – you should consider watching Stefan Molyneux on “The Fall of Rome” as linked to previously here on PO.COM.
I found it very entertaining and containing a lot of interesting views and facts.
It is worth listening to – and watching.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:08 pm
Cloggie said; “But you seem to be an expert on the subject, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for you to come up with a name and proof of a single person who was gassed in one of these 6 extermination camps.”
Would my mother-in-law’s entire family do, Clogg? She was an 11-year-old jew in Lithuania when your overlords showed up. Only she made it out, with the help of a great uncle who was resistance. My wife’s family still has his journals; names, dates, places. But what would you care? How many of your people were cowering in their homes, watching it all play out from the cheap seats, their offspring now too ashamed to acknowledge it even happened.
Fuck you, Clogscum. As I said, above, you are utterly dishonest and I’ll add, devoid of any sort of honor. There’s a multi-generational pox on your house that you’re stuck with the rest of your pitiful life.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:11 pm
onlooker
“Much of the scientific knowledge needed to understand global warming has been in place since the early 1960s (Weart 2003; Maslin 2004). Following early scientific discoveries on the ‘greenhouse effect’ at the end of the nineteenth century, the basic physical science underlying the theory and empirical evidence for global warming was supported through wartime and post-World War II scientific enterprise to master nuclear weaponry and understand how nuclear radiation and fallout would travel throughout the atmosphere and terrestrial and marine environments. Given this basic set of scientific facts about global warming available by the 1960s, the issue of global warming could have emerged at least on the western social and political agenda much earlier than it did.”
Since the 1970s, ExxonMobil engaged in research, lobbying, advertising, and grant making, some of which were conducted with the purpose of delaying widespread acceptance and action on global warming
So if science was warning the population about global warming since the 60’s what is the excuse for politicians?
James Hansen during his 1988 testimony to Congress, which alerted the public to the dangers of global warming.
Even today presidential candidates challenged the idea of climate change.
Trump’s tweet said, “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”
We even have Trump supports on this site. lol
Blame them.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:16 pm
Coggie said; “Ghung still wants to peddle the idea of benevolent hegemon, where everybody with a brain should have known better by know.”
Yet another lie, Clog. Since you’ve yet to answer my challenges to produce proof of the things you attribute to me, I won’t ask for any now.
Question: Do you even know when you lying or not? I don’t suppose a gollum would.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 3:27 pm
Politics and politicians are part of the corrupt systemic infrastructure. The Science was known yes. But who had the aptitude, time and inclination to research this Science of global warming. We, Americans always had a naive sense that our Institutions were working for our benefit. The Mass Media, the Government, the Corporations. Well, quite the contrary. The only allegiance these entities ever had was to their own desire for wealth and power or their subservience to this nefarious agenda.
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 4:37 pm
onlooker,
If you expect any company to police itself shows your nuts, naive or just comfortable with misinformation. The history of man shows the opposite. The history is man making some kind of clumsy regulation in response and reaction to a real or perceived bad or condition.
Cloggie on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 4:41 pm
“Would my mother-in-law’s entire family do, Clogg? She was an 11-year-old jew in Lithuania when your overlords showed up.”
You are evading an answer to my gaschamber question and instead refer to many Jews who were killed in Lithuania, completly leaving out the context.
First of all, most Jews were killed by Lithuanians, not the Germans, on the moment the Germans arrived. The Germans were seen as liberators, from the Soviets for good reason, who exercised a regime of terror under the Lithuanians. And the local Jews mostly supported the Soviet invasion and many were involved in heinous attrocities against the locals while implementing communism, the largest desaster in human history, that would not have happened without the Jews.
Before you unload your seething anger, perhaps you read this (Jewish) source first:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Nothing comes from nothing.
Meanwhile, thanks to Putin, Russia has finally been liberated from these people, most of whom went to Israel where they belong. Now the last territory that needs to be liberated is the US. That’s coming, in response to the destruction of that country, as a result of the work of your pets:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
Calculate a few million dead resulting from the disintegration of this XXL Yugoslavia.
Oh and now I understand bettter that hint of yours that Jews should rule the West and the world, the old Jewish dream, because of these 23% Nobel prices. News flash: not going to happen. Your NWO is dead in the water, including the lies it was built upon.
On behalf of the tens of millions that perished in the Gulag, of the millions of Germans who were burned alive because they resisted becoming part of the US empire, a heart felt fuck you.
The Jewish author Yuri Slezkine wrote a book titled “The Jewish Century”, correctly refering to the 20th century.
But the 20th century is over and so is the Jewish century. Have fun with growing oranges in the Kibbutz, mazzeltov. Nobody needs you and your insane dreams of power and absolute contempt for gentiles.
Apneaman on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:02 pm
Boat
“So if science was warning the population about global warming since the 60’s what is the excuse for politicians?”
88% of Congress On Gas Industry Payroll As Campaign Donations Hit Record Level
http://www.occupy.com/article/88-congress-gas-industry-payroll-campaign-donations-hit-record-level?qt-article_tabs=1#sthash.5xRrSI7h.dpbs
Boater, apparently the oil industry boys have plenty of capital to buy their way. This is how capitalism works. Even more so recently since corporations are people too – something cheered in by many capitalists.
Boat you are at it again. Anything good and you credit capitalism (the system) anything bad, like the political climate change inaction, you are trying to lay on “individual” politicians who are in fact simply working the capitalist system. It’s not against the law to take that money nor deny AGW under the capitalist system. Again, you are trying to have it both ways.
Capitalism is just system boat. A human construct and it has changed quite a bit in my lifetime. You defend it like a Christian or Muslim apologist. I think the reason capitalism has won out is because it is the system that lets the humans exercise their biological growth imperative the best. It helps the yeasty humans consume the world’s store of sugar faster than any other system they could come up with. Dopamine hits galore. Guess what happens when the sugar runs out boater? Three cheers for the system that most resembles a cancerous growth. As the sugar continues to deplete all you will be left with boat is a dead belief system. What good is your cargo cult without loads and loads of cheap energy? Nothing. It was all that super abundant and cheap energy that made capitalism – it’s a by product of cheap and plentiful energy and will disappear.
Love to keep chatting boat, but my sister is on her way here to pick up her barbeque I just fixed (regulator) and she is bringing me a couple of A&W Teen Burgers, onion rings and a big Root Beer to thank me. I guess I should be grateful to American ingenuity and capitalism for inventing fastfood and the hamburger eh? Yeah, that pair supposedly invented everything.
The 1,500-year-old recipe that shows how Romans invented the beef burger
http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/archaeology/art527224-the-1500-year-old-recipe-that-shows-how-romans-invented-the-beef-burger
McRoman’s Happy Meal: Fast Food in Ancient Rome (1st C AD)
http://ancientstandard.com/2007/08/11/mcroman%E2%80%99s-happy-meal-fast-food-in-ancient-rome-1st-c-ad/
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:04 pm
No Boat, did not expect it. Quite the contrary. Just pointing out the painfully obvious. In a world obsessed with material conquests and gratification do not expect any man made Institution to be clean cut, dutiful, and full of integrity. These are exceptions not common characteristics of humans and their societies. In fact based on evolutionary history and our recorded history things have played out pretty much as expected. Self interest and ape behavior winning out over more advanced collective enlightenment. It is too bad technology advances so much allowing us to make such a bigger mess of things.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:12 pm
Yep, Capitalism is greed multiplied by a million, a billion oh wait about 7 billion times. Ring a bell?
Boat on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:17 pm
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:04 pm
Excellent comment. Except for the last sentence. Just because tech made our lives better, easier, healthier, don’t blame tech for not being able to hold population to say a hypothetical 2 billion population.
onlooker on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 5:44 pm
No Boat, not holding down population but all the cons of Tech. Yes, Tech has done good things for mostly people in rich countries but it also allowed for massive exploitation and destruction of the ecosystems and environment. Also, introducing widespread radiation and threats of radiation and nuclear holocaust being unleashed. Now GMO’s being introduced with unknown consequences. Also, chemicals contaminating the entire Earth. Again with unknown but probably deleterious consequences for most of life on Earth. finally of course fossil fuels allowing us to basically tamper with the Climate system of Earth. So, technology has literally been a double edged sword. Like giving gun to a little child, we know little children can be reckless but with a gun that recklessness can be fatal and so with advanced technology in the hands of humans.
ghung on Sun, 14th Aug 2016 8:21 pm
Cloggie said; ” Nobody needs you and your insane dreams of power and absolute contempt for gentiles.”
I’m not Jewish. Another of your dishonest and insane attributions. That said, I’ll reserve my contempt for psychopaths like you.
Cloggie on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 4:13 am
Grandmasters of the Lie latest:
“I’m not Jewish”
Gentiles don’t use the word “gollum” if they want to insult another gentile.
But your short reply furthermore shows that you are cornered again. Nothing to say of substance about 9/11, that was done by Israel and a few US traitors like Cheney. Nothing to say about “gaschambers” and instead present an unverifiable sob story from Lithuania, 75 years ago.
Confessions of a Lithuanian Jew:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p44_Shtromas.html
But your pets never had a chance against Europeans and instead had to organise a coalition of Soviets and Americans to get us temporarily down in 1945. Here the Soviet and American Jew responsible for linking the two together as a first act of the Roosevelt government, where no civilised European nation had contemplated to recognize this human slaughter house USSR:
https://youtu.be/N6hqfcoXfmc
WW2, a war of agression of the Jews against Europe.
And now these neocons…
https://youtu.be/ZRlatDWqh0o
…try to push the world into WW3, now against Russia instead of Germany, because Russia, like Germany in 1939, refused to become a meek member of the NWO.
Hilarious to watch the real Jewish US primus inter pares president Richard Haass [0:25] listening silently in horror to what Bernstein had to say about these “Jewish neocons”. It was Bernstein who was responsible for the downfall of Nixon over the Watergate non-event. Nixon had to fall because of his anti-Jewish intentions as expressed in these recently released taped conversations with Billy Graham, when they agreed that “something had to be done about Jewish power in the US”. Bernsteins words reveal that he is extremely uneasy about the power position of the Jews in the US.
WW2 was the intentional rape of Germany by USA, USSR, UK, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Canada, Australia and the rest of the British empire, Norway, Holland and Belgium.
GDP distribution 1941 main contestants:
USA 29%
USSR 13%
British empire 11%
France 5%
(total 56%)
Germany 11%
You see, the Germans never had a chance to begin with.
Fortunately, no such constellation exists today vis a vis Russia, that has much, much better cards, thanks to China. And the European right has no sympathy for Washington whatsoever, and neither has Trump and his followers.
So, what are you going to do about it, commissar ghung?
In reality, Washington will not be able to mobilize America in a full scale war against Russia and China. In contrast to 1941, in 2016 America is a demoralized spent force. You just have to read the endless doomer posts on this forum, where I strongly suspect that “peak oil” is a pc accceptable outlet to express despair with the state of the US in general, demographically, economically, financially, with peak oil largely being a fig leaf. Nobody here, apart from certified fools like Boat, seriously believe that the US will fullfill its century old mission, imposed by your pets, and ram the entire world into a single power pyramid, with your pets on top as the cherry on the cake. Dream on.
Somebody here eloquently said that “the large US cities are nine meals away from chaos”. Once that chaos will erupt, expect that soon that chaos would evolve in a conflict with stark racial undertones which will lead to a split-up of the old republic, exactly as Kunstler predicted. As you might expect, we Europeans (Paris-Berlin-Moscow) will be more interested in hoisting a Kunstler’s “where Dolly Parton meets Hitler” republic into the saddle, than maintaining good relations with Greater Baltimore, as the former would rule out a last minute US-Chinese alliance a la US-USSR 1933.
So there you have it ghung, enjoy your descent into nothingness.
Boat on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:15 am
Clog,
“WW2 was the intentional rape of Germany by USA, USSR, UK, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Canada, Australia and the rest of the British empire, Norway, Holland and Belgium.”
German Americans were the largest segment of population in the US during WWII. They were a vital key at home and abroad to taking their mother country down.
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:23 am
Cloggie, close your cake hole you little emasculated half faggit Dutchboy. Where I come from only the women wear clogs. Limp wristed Euro-pansy.
ghung on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 11:24 am
Cloggie said; “But your short reply furthermore shows that you are cornered again./i>
I’ve only ever been cornered in your sickly inflated ego. Not sure what leads you to believe your own bullshit, but I put absolutely no stock in you or anything you’ve ever posted. What’s funny/sad is that you work so hard at it.
I suspect you’re trying to impress yourself; compensating for your own lack of any redeeming character traits what-so-ever. Must really suck being you, with your pitiful delusions of grandeur. I think that, deep down, you know that your persona of self-importance fails at every level.
Boat on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 11:36 am
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 10:23 am
You don’t have some red wooden clogs with a dala horse and cute little flowers? Dancing around the maypole in those knickers.
Apneaman on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 12:25 pm
Boat, I had to look up Dala horse. So much for me knowing shit about my Swedish ancestry eh? I think I’ll go binge watch “Vikings” again.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 12:43 pm
Cloggie, you know it wasn’t Germany going it completely alone in the Axis during ww2, riiight?? Looks like all of the GDP power was already on this side of the Atlantic, and Fascist had some of that power, and were more than ready to play ball with Germany. Prescott Bush and Dupont come to mind, along with many many other rich powerful Americans at the time.
Cloggie on Mon, 15th Aug 2016 1:06 pm
Boat: “German Americans were the largest segment of population in the US during WWII. They were a vital key at home and abroad to taking their mother country down.”
It is unlikely that these “Germans” were the brightest Germany had to offer, but rather under classes, so-called “huddled masses”, those who couldn’t make in the Heimat (read: not the brighest ones) and decided to try their luck on the other side of the Atlantic, where free soil was waiting for them, after wacking a few “Indians”. And from a psychological point of view were keen to tell themselves that they made the right move.
Meanwhile, these “Germans” and others are populating the stadiums where Trump speaks and the brightest ones begin to realize that the so-called “Greatest Generation” were in reality a bunch of suckers, who volunteered to risk their lives to destroy Germany on behalf of those, let’s call them oligarchs not to hurt the feelings of commissar ghung, who wanted to phase out these European-Americans from existence, a process now in full swing.
Still think America is great or will be ever again, with all these Baltimore’s, Milwaukee’s, Ferguson’s and all the other “Shining Cities upon a Hill”, when rioters now even begin to plunder when a black police officer downs a black “brain surgeon”?
Last week in Chicago, a staggering 100 blacks were shot by other blacks, with 24 killed, double the amount fascist Italy killed internally during its entire two decades existance.
Baltimore riots (warzone rather):
https://youtu.be/sCtKKU64e1M
Let’s face it: the story of America (in its present shape) is over, although most posters here, leftists and committed to the prevalent cosmopolitan globalist value system, don’t want to acknowledge that.
The coming election is going to be a turning point in American history. There will be no return to the old normal. The party landscape from now on will become polarized between the globalist (“communist”) One World imperialists of the Dems and the White Party formerly known as the Reps.
If Trump would be defeated, the Rep establishment will probably attempt to purge the party and ensure that never again an anti-globalist will hijack the party ever again. The result will be that the Reps would purge the party of its electorate as well.
The Reps are broken beyond repair. Perhaps a new party will be founded, named the Constitutionalist Party or similar. But its voters will soon find out that they will never win an election again.
And once that happens, European America will begin to prepare to leave the union, if a crisis will not have initiated the breakup of the country first.
Bonus video for commissar ghung:
Soviet occupation Lithuania, the film Spielberg will refuse to make:
https://youtu.be/AaZwOy3U2Do
Boat, I really have to tell you everything, maypole and knickers are German. Make yokes about wind mills if you have to:
https://youtu.be/ytNnG7G6JRc