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Economic Advisor Warns British Defense Planners Growth Is Ending
Economic growth isn’t coming back. While some level of growth might continue in coming decades, the boom era of seemingly unlimited material throughput we became accustomed to in the middle of the twentieth century is unlikely to ever return again as we enter a fundamentally new age of diminishing returns
These are the conclusions of a new working paper by leading ecological economist Professor Tim Jackson, Director of the University of Surrey’s Centre for Understanding Sustainable Prosperity (CUSP).
And the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) is taking notes.
An earlier draft of the paper, notes Jackson, was “prepared as input into the UK Global Strategic Trends Review”, a forecasting research programme run by the MoD’s Defence Concepts and Doctrines Centre (DCDC), which every few years produces an updated Global Strategic Trends report for the MoD and wider UK government. Jackson also acknowledges feedback from MoD officials in revising that draft to create the concurrent version.
Jackson is former Economics Commissioner for the UK government’s Sustainable Development Commission. From 2010 to 2014, he was Director of the Sustainable Lifestyles Research Group, funded by the UK Department for the Environment, Food & Rural Affairs, Scottish Government, and the Economic and Social Research Council. He also advised many other government departments, and held advisory roles for the UN Environment Programme, the UN’s Department of Economic and Social Affairs, the UN Industrial Development Organissation, the European Environment Agency, the European Parliament, and the New Zealand Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.
The long crisis
Professsor Jackson’s paper examines a range of new data suggesting strongly that chronically low rates of economic growth in recent years since the 2008 crash, far from representing a temporary phase soon to be overcome by a resounding ‘recovery’, are in fact a ‘new normal’ — from which the global economy may never truly recover.
“There remains a disturbing possibility that the huge productivity increases that characterised the early and middle twentieth Century were a one-off, something we can’t just repeat at will, despite the wonders of digital technology,” writes Jackson:
“A fascinating — if worrying — contention is that the peak growth rates of the 1960s were only possible at all on the back of a huge and deeply destructive exploitation of dirty fossil fuels; something that can be ill afforded — even if it were available — in the era of dangerous climate change and declining resource quality. Low (and declining) rates of economic growth may well be the ‘new normal’.”
Jackson draws on a number of prominent economic voices in putting forward his diagnosis, most of whom are widely respected. He cites former World Bank chief economist Larry Summers, for instance, who has recently observed:
“The underlying problem may be there forever.”
Different economists emphasise different causes for the phenomenon. Some point to problems with “sluggish demand”, a deeper reluctance from business and consumers to invest and spend due to new economic uncertanties. Others, like US economist Robert Gordon, point to a supply challenge relating to an escalating decline in the pace of industrial innovation and productivity.
Whatever the underlying drivers of the problem, Jackson shows that the phenomenon is very real — the 2008 financial crash was indeed a major catalysing event. But it was only a particularly bad blip in an unmistakeable long-term downward trend for the rate of global economic growth.
In 1996, the trend rate of growth in the global GDP was 5.5%. By 2016 it was little more than 2.5%.
‘Advanced’ economies trending to zero growth in a decade
When Jackson breaks down the data regionally, the picture is more complicated. After the financial crisis, some of the poorest economies in sub-Saharan Africa and South East Asia had per capita growth rates below 1% per annum. But in emerging markets like China, India and Brazil, economic growth rates had overtaken growth rates in more advanced economies such as the OECD countries.
Extrapolating the current downwards trend forward has some interesting results:
“Whereas for the global GDP per capita, the point at which growth disappeares is more than 60 years into the future, for GDP per capita in the OECD nations, the point is brought forwards dramatically. In less than a decade, on current trends, there would be no growth at all in GDP per capita across the OECD nations.”
As an indicator of how bad things are looking, Jackson focuses on trends on labour productivity growth. First of all, he looks at the OECD, where we see plummeting rate of productivity growth since the 1970s.
If we extrapolate this trend forward, labour productivity growth would reach zero by 2028.
Then Jackson looks at the UK, a particularly useful case study of the future pathways of industrial development due to being one of the world’s earliest industrialisers.
The data shows that the peak of Britain’s labour productivity occurred between the 1950s and 70s, after which it declined quite steeply, reaching extraordinary low levels after the 2008 crash which are even lower than pre-1900 levels.
Political instability
We are already seeing the destabilising social and political impacts of this situation. The rise of Trump, his turn to neo-fascist policies toward Black and ethnic minorities, immigrants and Muslims, and his alliance with far-right extremist networks in Europe — all driven by an alarming resurgence of populism across both sides of the Atlantic — are direct symptoms of a new economic reality of slowly dying growth:
“Electorates tend to punish administrations badly when social investment falls. If declining growth is met with fiscal austerity it is likely to lead to progressively worse social outcomes and increasing political fragility.”
At the root of the political instability we are seeing in the world, Jackson suggests, is the breakdown in the dynamics of “the existing growth-based paradigm.”
This old dying paradigm is driving environmental damage, exacerbating social inequality and contributing to increased political instability.
Net energy decline
Jackson then goes further, stepping outside of economic orthodoxy to point out the striking evidence of a correlation between the long-term decline in economic growth and underlying resource constraints:
“The suggestion that the rise and fall of productivity growth is associated with the availability of physical resources such as energy and minerals is clearly one that merits further attention. The similarity between the rise and fall in labour productivity shown… and some recent studies of the energy return on energy invested (EROI) in fossil fuels is striking.”
EROI is a measure of the amount of energy used to extract energy from a particular resource. The more energy one can get out compared to what is put in, the better, and the higher the ‘net energy’ available to society. Lower EROI, however, means that less and less energy can be extracted despite increasing investments of energy.
Recent economic research previously reported by INSURGE suggests that the maximum EROI levels for global oil and gas production were reached around the middle of last century.
“Most EROI studies across multiple countries show declining EROI in the last two to three decades,” says Jackson. “So the idea that the rise and fall in labour productivity growth has something to do with the underlying physical resources is certainly not fanciful.”
There are strong grounds then to recognise that the long-term decline in the rate of economic growth is partly related to industrial civilisation’s intensifying exploitation of material resources on the planet, and the diminishing returns from doing so.
The economic crisis is not just about ‘economics’, narrowly conceived: it is about the human species’ accelerating breach of planetary boundaries.
The debt machine
But Jackson points out that declining EROI is unlikely in itself to be the sole driving factor in this broader trend of declining economic growth, which will also be intimately related to a combination of supply and demand issues within the economy.
Among those issues is that to keep growth growing, industrial economies have sought to financialise their economies, even more so as they deal with rising costs of material production. The idea is to increase “liquidity”, spending power, by essentially creating more cheap money — which in simplified terms means flooding the economy with credit. This temporarily lubricates spending power in the economy, but at the cost of expanding levels of debt.
“This has tended to stimulate speculative investment at the expense of productive investment in the real economy,” says Jackson. It also means that the global economy is increasingly unstable, with growth hinging very much on the expansion of debt whose repayability is in question.
And that has meant that this concurrent structure of economic growth has inevitably benefited a tiny rich minority, who sit at the helm of this parasitical financial system — while the vast majority of the world’s poor have seen little or negligible benefits.
What Jackson then shows is that the neoliberal story of growth that has accompanied these processes in recent decades has seen a dramatic increase in structural inequality.
Gutting the poor, working and middle classes
From 1980 to 2014, average income growth in the US was only 1.4%, already quite low overall.
“But the striking part of the story was the reversal in the fortunes of the poorest and richest as beneficiaries of that growth,” observes Jackson.
The bottom 50% of Americans saw their income grow “at a meagre 0.6%, only half the average rate of growth of the economy as a whole. Meanwhile, the incomes of the richest 5% “grew at 1.7% per annum, significantly above the average income growth.” Increasingly, the super-rich benefited from the tepid growth being squeezed out of the planet:
“The average growth rate of the top 0.001% of the population was over 6%, allowing them to increase their post-tax earnings by a factor of seven over the last three decades. The poorest 5% saw their post-tax incomes fall in real terms over the same period.”
This sharp rise in inequality illustrates how the poor, working and middle classes have been gutted — with even reasonably well-off working professionals experiencing an overall unprecedented decline in their purchasing power.
Faced with such diminishing returns, powerful economic producers and shareholders have “systematically protected profit by depressing the rewards to labour.” This has been exacerbated by governments pushing forward fiscal austerity, deregulation, privatisation and liberalisation along with “loose monetary policy”:
“The outcome for many ordinary workers has been punitive. As social conditions deteriorated, the threat to democratic stability has become palpable.”
Rather than rising inequality being an inevitable result of a decline in the growth rate, Jackson argues that rising social-financial instability and inequality result directly from “trying to protect the growth rate in the face of an underlying decline in productivity, by privileging the interests of the owners of capital over the interests of those employed in wage labour in the economy.”
In other words, trying to keep the growth machine growing when the machine itself is running out of steam is precisely the problem — the challenge is to move into a new economic model entirely.
Wither the Singularity?
Having demonstrated an alarming correlation between efforts to accelerate growth at all costs and the systemic deepening of economic inequalities, Jackson goes on to show that an effort by business and government to adapt to the reality of a post-growth economy may hold the best prospects for more equal and prosperous economies of a different kind.
The problem with business-as-usual, he points out, is that it is based on assumptions for which the evidence is rather thin.
The idea is that productivity growth will return, driven chiefly by technological breakthroughs either in low carbon technologies, or in “increased automation, robotisation, artificial intelligence” — or by some combination of both.
In other words, technology, at some point, will save the day. The most explicit variation of this circulating today is the idea of the Singularity — which is when artificial intelligence (AI) reaches a level of super-intelligence that will drive exponential, runaway technological growth, that in turn will solve all our problems.
But in reality, it’s simply not clear that techno-focussed investment strategies alone will actually lead to the hoped for outcomes. The low-carbon revolution is not, as yet, actually taking off. The Paris Agreement still lacks any tangible delivery plans. And it’s not clear that low carbon technologies, even if viable, can simplistically substitute for fossil fuels with the same levels of growth industrial civilisation is accustomed to.
As for AI-driven automation, it is widely recognised that its social consequences might be devastating. It involves essentially replacing workers with technological material assets owned centrally as capital. This means it is not only likely to require increased material inputs and therefore have a higher resource footprint, it is also likely to create “an unequal and increasingly polarised society”:
“There is a real danger that new digital and robot technologies will remove the need for whole sections of the working population, leaving those who don’t actually own the technologies without income and without bargaining power. Meanwhile the owners of these technologies are likely to acquire unprecedented market power, and the conditions for ordinary workers will deteriorate even further.”
Like others, Jackson suggests a Universal Basic Income as a potential mechanism to address this mass disenfranchisement of workers. But there remain serious unanswered questions over how governments committed to austerity in an era of diminishing resource and productivity returns would be able to afford this.
More usefully, Jackson calls on governments, businesses and communities preparing to respond to these issues to begin actively adapting to the underlying drivers of an emerging new economic reality.
Pointing to new research on de-growth and ‘post-growth’ economics, Jackson notes that these approaches increasingly accept that endless “economic growth is neither desirable nor indeed feasible” for the world’s most advanced economies.
If these approaches are not pursued, then we are faced with the probable impacts of business-as-usual: :
“In a growth-obsessed world it is easy to end up overlooking the parts of the economy that matter most to human wellbeing. By understanding and planning for the conditions of the ‘new normal’ associated with low growth rates, it is possible to identify more clearly the features that define a different kind of economy. A simple shift of focus opens out wide new horizons of possibility.”
138 Comments on "Economic Advisor Warns British Defense Planners Growth Is Ending"
MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 10:00 am
Clogg
Uh oh..Looks like growth is history for Europe within 10 years..And if the oil shortage hits in a few years..That will be the ball game..
Remember me when you are boiling in a Cannibals pot you cocksucker!
MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 10:08 am
He cites former World Bank chief economist Larry Summers, for instance, who has recently observed:
“The underlying problem may be there forever.”
Brent on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 2:32 pm
Oh no facts and numbers.
roccman on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 2:51 pm
Growth ending? 250K new babies a day is not slowing down. Castration used to keep things in balance. That was a very long time ago – then the mob took breeding rights. so be it.
Boat on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 3:24 pm
No growth is the precursor to shrinking growth. This is would be welcome news for sustainability fans.
Boat on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 3:29 pm
I bet as degrowth becomes normal, tech driven whitey fares better. Smaller and smarter while shrinking the world is the path.
Bob Jones on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 4:02 pm
Another view is that Europe and the UK are terrified because their free lunch at the expense of Africa/China/India is ending… or as the Brits put it, “An End to Growth.”
The UK/Europeans are going to have to work again. I wonder if they will remember what that’s like after centuries of exporting their misery.
Makati1 on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 5:34 pm
“Growth” in the OECD countries stopped years ago. All that is left there are lies and fake numbers. Subtract the real inflation, and the numbers are ALL negative. Only the “emerging” countries are still growing, but slowly.
MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 6:22 pm
Madkat
Yes you nailed it..And they have changed the way GDP is calculated to super size the FIRE sector…And without growth the economy goes into a deflationary downward spiral and collapses..
onlooker on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 6:34 pm
And then they’re is how much enormous amount of new Debt is allowing this “growth”. It is counterproductive to any real growth
twocats on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 7:09 pm
great article – nafeez generally delivers a consistent narrative without seeming stale. In this case – ecological economics report by Jackson.
of course, these sustainability prosperity notions are more than likely never going to be enacted and it seems clear the globe is lurching into despotism (US, Italy, Poland, et al). It seems people have chosen fire and fury and it will be hard for the progressive minded will be able to overcome that.
meanwhile – regarding a topic some may be interested – pikoil? sorry its called peak oil, the world is dangerously close to falling short on oil needs. the normally level-headed number-huggers over at peakoilbarrel are freaking out right about now.
MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 7:43 pm
Abortion could be banned in the U.S. within two years under new Supreme Court
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/abortion-could-be-banned-in-the-us-within-two-years-under-new-supreme-court-2018-06-29
We’ll be full on ‘Handmaids Tale’ Gilead in two years. This country is fucked, escape while you still have the chance.
Makati1 on Fri, 29th Jun 2018 8:07 pm
Glad to see that we agree on the GDP numbers, MM. And, I suggest that you explore your options to follow your advice. “This country is fucked, escape while you still have the chance.”
A young and educated person should find many ways to do that. Maybe employment in the foreign office of a multi-national corporation or teaching in a foreign school or even marrying a foreign girl like Delusional Davy claims to have done.
I have the advantage of a secure income and the Ps has a great retirement program for foreigners that gives them semi-citizenship, the SRRV.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:14 am
The “Orbanisation of Europe” is in full swing. Merkel, the European Open Society champ, who effectively invited the entire world to come to Europe in 2015, has been pushed into the defensive by the rest. Merkel caved in, in order to save her chancellorship. It remains to be seen if she will. The populist cat is now out of the bag. After closed borders, withdrawing of US troops from Europe (and everywhere else), rejection of multicult as official state ideology and opening up to Russia will be next. And finally incorporating large parts of majority European-American North-American territories into a new global pan-European framework in a multi-polar world.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/fluechtlinge-eu-setzt-bei-migration-und-asyl-auf-abschottung-a-1215874.html
Makati1 on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:21 am
Keep dreaming Cloggie. It’s free.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:31 am
Tomorrow it is July 1, meaning that the ever rotating European chairmanship will arrive in… Austria!
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/oesterreich-uebernimmt-eu-ratspraesidentschaft-sebastian-kurz-und-die-fluechtlinge-a-1215707.html
Austria is governed by populists-conservatives, who get along with Putin extremely well:
https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/putin-eu-austrian-minister-sebastian-kurz-931582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osd-VptE-jg
Austrians love building fences, but what did you expect from “Dolfie-country”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqa2lrnS85A
“Sound of Music” to my ears.
Sebastian Kurz is with 31 one of the youngest politicians in Europe. And although Christian-Democrat, he gets along with populists extremely well, much in contrast to Christian-Democrats in western Europe. Kurz manages to make populists salon-faehig.
Theedrich on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 4:14 am
Jackson’s implied conclusion: gulags for Whites. All because “The rise of Trump, his turn to neo-fascist policies toward Black and ethnic minorities, immigrants and Muslims, and his alliance with far-right extremist networks in Europe — all driven by an alarming resurgence of populism across both sides of the Atlantic — are direct symptoms of a new economic reality of slowly dying growth”
So Wunderkind Tim Jackson lets us know what no one could ever have possibly suspected: the U.S. and other Western governments are relying on “non-performing” loans (i.e., unpayable, ever-growing debt), impoverishing their sheep-like populations with usury, oppressive laws, political corruption and various scams, and with that old standby, inflation (“quantitative easing,” etc.).
Jackson’s solution is the usual: more virtue-signaling; swamping Whiteland with countless ThirdWorld albatrosses; and, of course, doing nothing about the cancerous narcotics plague and other metastasizing forms of international crime.
Because after all, White “neo-fascism” is much worse than the collapse of the world. Thanks, Timmy. We really wanted to read more regurgitated Marxist drivel.
twocats on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 7:32 am
did someone say “cat out of the bag” – well I’m two cats and a weasel IN a bag and I can tell you populism is more like the latter than the former.
populism is a lovely term. what does is it mean – who can say. what you really meant to say is nativist.
but on the populist tip I’ve been thinking about it and as far as I can tell the only thing populist about orban-trump-duterte etc is that they are like petulant children who have suddenly realized that they can overpower the “adults in the room” and are playing at emperor, strutting around in front of all the other kids who are just enthralled at how much fun this seems. policy? well – the few remaining adults alive are humoring the child-god-kings offering a few bits of candy while making off with the real valuables. its not about making life better – its about disappointment, revenge and reveling in the flames of destruction.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 8:26 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5903045/PETER-OBORNE-Theres-no-time-fudging-Brexit-D-decision-Day-here.html
The usually Euro-skeptic DailyMail (they are all Euro-skeptic in Britain as their loyalties are with Anglosphere, not continental Europe) warns its readers that a no-deal Brexit might not be the best solution for Britain, which of course is a no-brainer, because big adults can do with little kids whatever they want, like giving it a sweet… or a good spanking.
Now, of course, Britain could attempt to call in the help of the US for a third time, the trouble is that now Europe (read France and Germany) is united and there is a third potent country waiting in the wings that will be on Europe’s side, if a large conflict would erupt: Russia.
Anglosphere could in theory attemp to draw China on its side, like the US did with the USSR as of 1933, but Europe has a final trump card in that case: the loyalties of white America, that feels itself demographically with the back against the wall. Can they really be mobilized for a war against the remnants of the white world?
They won’t.
Seriously. Regarding Brexit, now that time is running out, the best solution seems to be the “Norwegian template”. Britain remaining a paying member of the common market, but for the rest they can do what they want. And more important, without US watchdog Britain we Europeans can also do what we want: turning to Russia and get rid of Anglo-Zionism=political correctness=Marxism.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 8:39 am
“populism is a lovely term. what does is it mean – who can say. ”
I can.
Populism means doing what the populus (commoners) wants. You would think that in a real democracy populism would rule, but in the West (US empire), that is not the case. Here so-called oligarchs rule and their goal is One World, owned by them.
In order to turn the entire planet into a single country, the old national order needs to be brought down. Tool: mass migration, aimed at destroying national identities, to the tune that eventually borders can be abolished, as they have become meaningless, once every country will be inhabited by a light coffee-brown IQ90 population.
That was the strategy, for a century, but it is going to fail, as the “deplorables” will not play ball. They do not want to see Italy, Germany, Russia or America destroyed.
But it has failed big time, just like the communist experiment in Russia failed.
Putin, Trump, Erdogan, Salvini, Kurz, Orban, Xi, etc… will ensure that the (((oligarchs))) will bite the dust.
Hello on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 9:06 am
>>> but it is going to fail
Have you seen the world cup teams? Europeans are not playing, instead a bunch of negro teams took their place. Yet nobody is complaining. Fans are cheering for their negro team. Europe already lost.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 9:27 am
Soccer team is not equal nation.
Yes France is a disgrace, but Germany, Iceland, Denmark, even fokking Sweden, Russia, your Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Uruguay, Poland, etc., are clearly majority white.
As a side note… apart from Brasil, the last 16 nations are almost all European, incl. Uruguay and to a lesser extent Argentina. America, Asia and Africa are nowhere to be seen.
It’s a euro-centric world.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 9:46 am
Clogg
You are a brainwashed cult follower..You think you can vote in prosperity and economic growth..Its your fault no woman love you..Its your fault you are poor and a loser neckbeard.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 9:47 am
Dear reader,
We are going to start to run out of oil soon..Have an escape plan..And escape can take many forms..
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 9:49 am
Clogg
Bow down before the one you serve, you’re going to get what you deserve…
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 10:23 am
Bow down before the one you serve, you’re going to get what you deserve…
Yes I serve and bow for European Civilization and yes, failed state North-America will be ours, we deserve it. We had it for three centuries, much longer than you. Americans can’t rule themselves, too individualistic, no collective defense mechanisms, so they give their country away to the third world, just because a small but highly organized (((tribe))) tells them to do so. And now they have second thoughts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/cw2-brewing/
You think that CW2 will enable your tribe to make whitey powerless for good.
I think that CW2 will enable European-America (with a “little” Eurasian help) to escape from ZOG and reconnect to continental Europe.
#Amerika
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/amerikaner/
America coming full circle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9YKjn67Og
Bob Jones on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 10:41 am
This clown says 3rd-world as if he is living on another planet. Then again, I guess the color of the sky is different in his world.
3rd world has to be one of the stupidest terms I have ever had the mis-pleasure to read or hear.
Oh, we can pollute here because, it’s the 3rd world.
Oh, we can destroy here because, it’s the 3rd world.
Oh, we can kill all wildlife here, it’s the 3rd world.
No way the consequences of my actions will affect my world, because it happened in the 3rd world.
Just dumb thinking for dumb people.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 10:45 am
Clogg
You are a really scummy person..That is why no woman loves you..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 10:51 am
‘Fascism Is at the Door Step’: Michael Moore Asks Bill Maher If People Are Ready to Die to Protect Democracy from Trump
https://www.alternet.org/fascism-door-step-michael-moore-asks-bill-maher-if-people-are-ready-die-protect-democracy-trump?src=newsletter1093893
Yes we will Michael..Trumps movement is made up in general of scummy low life baby boomers..The youth is on the socialist side..Same with in Europe..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 10:59 am
Zerohedge is so panicked about Ocasio-Cortez that they managed to squeeze ‘she’s not really working class’, ‘Bernie has 3 houses’ and ‘Venezuela hyperinflation’ memes into a single 400 word hit-piece.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-29/girl-bronx-ocasio-cortez-called-out-fact-check-actually-grew-wealthy-enclave
Zerohedge has Zerocredibility..lol
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:07 am
“The youth is on the socialist side..Same with in Europe..”
You are deluding yourself, like with everything else. You are toast:
Holland: youth overwhelmingly (far) right
http://www.welingelichtekringen.nl/politiek/657251/pvv-veruit-de-populairste-partij-onder-jongeren.html
Eastern Europe:
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-central-europes-youth-roll-right-voting-politics-visegard/
Even Israel:
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5144778
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:14 am
Clogg
You can have Eastern Europe they are the dumbest of the dumb..That is why Hitler invaded them first…
LMFAO!
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:21 am
“You can have Eastern Europe they are the dumbest of the dumb..That is why Hitler invaded them first…”
Hitler invaded Poland because the Poles had begun to ethnicly cleanse Versailles-Poland from Germans, secretly encouraged by the Americans and the British-French war guarantee, the latter had been pressured into, again by Americans, who could not wait to get a war started in Europe.
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:40 am
Clogg
The only war your populist movement will be fighting is diabetes..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:44 am
Clogg
Sure clogg..Hitler was framed..That is why you can’t use any reliable sources to prove it..People like you are the reason countries like China censor the internet..
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:57 am
Sure clogg..Hitler was framed..That is why you can’t use any reliable sources to prove it.
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/justice-jackson-has-to-admit/
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/bullitt-reveals-in-april-1939-that-war-has-been-decided-upon/
You know who Jackson and Bullitt are, now don’t you Millimind?
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 11:58 am
Is Chamberlain official and reliable enough in your view?
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:03 pm
Almost a year before Washington managed to make Japan deal the first blow, through a calculated oil boycott, the US elite was already smitten with the upcoming “American Century” (the one that is now coming to an end, but I digress):
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/time-life-the-american-century/
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:05 pm
Clogg
There is a good reason why you censor any comments on your blog..hint..because its bullshit that would be easily refuted..You have to create your own sources that can’t be questioned..You are brainwashing yourself..
Ask a real third party historian on reddit?
prove yourself! You scummy old lunatic.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:17 pm
There is a good reason why you censor any comments on your blog..hint..because its bullshit that would be easily refuted
Offering quotes from the criminals admitting to their crimes is sufficient proof.
Now prove to me that Hitler “wanted to conquer the world”.
You can’t, he only wanted his stupid Danzig back.
The Russians know the truth…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5445161/Russia-accuses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html
…and at a for them opportune moment they will reveal the full truth, including the truth about the holohoax, in return for official recognition of Russia as a major European power, on par with Germany and France. That geopolitical event will come as an earthquake and the 640 million of continental Europe will finally get the upperhand over Anglo-Zionism.
And these “overweight Heartland neckbeards” of yours…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xHhbG3wvk
…will be all too glad to move over to the continental European camp.
Exit global Zion.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:53 pm
Clogg
Someone accusing someone is proving something..You are grasping at straws..You are a paranoid scum of society..And that is why you no woman love you..
Anonymouse1 on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:54 pm
Hey ‘mushmind’, you should refer to cloggen-fraud as ‘neder-nazi’, like you do when you post as davyturd. Cloggen-fraud loves that shit even more than you do. Since the eturd is letting ‘mushmind’ take over most of his ranting of late, it only makes sense. After all, you use that stupid ‘madkat’ name to refer to Mak.
Anyhow, you two pathetic zeros can go back to rehashing WWII now.(again).
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 12:55 pm
Clogg
The fact that you won’t allow any comments on your ugly blog and you wont ask a real historian to fact check your claims..Proves that they are not true..If they were you would have no problem testing them..End of story..
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 2:25 pm
“The fact that you won’t allow any comments on your ugly blog and you wont ask a real historian to fact check your claims..Proves that they are not true..If they were you would have no problem testing them..End of story..”
I had regular email contact with top historians, but not the ones invited by CNN.
But again, I am providing real damaging quotes from the real perps of WW2. You airhead have exactly nothing. You’te losing the debate.lol
“Hey ‘mushmind’, you should refer to cloggen-fraud as ‘neder-nazi’, like you do when you post as davyturd. ”
OMG, nobody is fooling the forum Sherlock Holmes wannabee here.rofl
Clog=yid
Davy=millimind.
God are you stupid.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:20 pm
UK electricity Q1 2018 at a whopping 30%, increase y2y 3%.
Scotland up 11% (!)
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/29/renewables-uk-electricity-generation-tops-30-scotland-increases-by-11/
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:20 pm
CLog
Sure, only you know the “real truth”..You are the most deluded human being on earth..And the fact that you wont even try to have your ideas tested by a third party..Is sufficient proof that you know its all bullshit..I had no problem emailing an energy economist and asking him if the global economy would collapse due to peak oil..
Get your mind out of the gutter you scummy piece of soggy white bread..
Try to enjoy your last years before the collapse hits..go hire a prostitute or go to strip club..You do not have the attractiveness,wealth, or social skills needed to get laid..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:23 pm
Clogg
A whopping 1/3? 1/3 is whopping now?
And do you always have to use sources that are biased and are big tech sock puppets?
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:24 pm
Vestas 9.5 MW turbine certified. First installations expected end 2019. This is the largest certified wind turbine in the world:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/29/worlds-largest-wind-turbine-passes-final-hurdle/
A French subsidiary of GE however is working at Haliade-X, 12 MW.
Cloggie on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:27 pm
“And do you always have to use sources that are biased and are big tech sock puppets?”
Any “non-biased source” claiming that that 30% figure is not true?
No?
Thought so.
Shut up then, you drama queen.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Jun 2018 3:43 pm
Clogg
Your country is running out of gas..Literly..
Europe’s Biggest Natural Gas Producer Is Running Out of Fuel
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/europe-s-biggest-natural-gas-producer-is-running-out-of-fuel
Kicking out immigrants wont solve Europe’s depression and end of growth..
Better get out while you still have a chance..