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The Limits of Clean Energy
Strong winds blow sand at a wind farm in the Coachella Valley on May 6, 2019 in Palm Springs, California. Photo by Mario Tama / Getty Images.
The conversation about climate change has been blazing ahead recently. Propelled by the school climate strikes and social movements like Extinction Rebellion, a number of governments have declared a climate emergency, and progressive political parties are making plans—at last—for a rapid transition to clean energy under the banner of the Green New Deal.
This is a welcome shift, and we need more of it. But a new problem is beginning to emerge that warrants our attention. Some proponents of the Green New Deal seem to believe that it will pave the way to a utopia of “green growth.” Once we trade dirty fossil fuels for clean energy, there’s no reason we can’t keep expanding the economy forever.
This narrative may seem reasonable enough at first glance, but there are good reasons to think twice about it. One of them has to do with clean energy itself.
The phrase “clean energy” normally conjures up happy, innocent images of warm sunshine and fresh wind. But while sunshine and wind is obviously clean, the infrastructure we need to capture it is not. Far from it. The transition to renewables is going to require a dramatic increase in the extraction of metals and rare-earth minerals, with real ecological and social costs.
We need a rapid transition to renewables, yes—but scientists warn that we can’t keep growing energy use at existing rates. No energy is innocent. The only truly clean energy is less energy.
In 2017, the World Bank released a little-noticed report that offered the first comprehensive look at this question. It models the increase in material extraction that would be required to build enough solar and wind utilities to produce an annual output of about 7 terawatts of electricity by 2050. That’s enough to power roughly half of the global economy. By doubling the World Bank figures, we can estimate what it will take to get all the way to zero emissions—and the results are staggering: 34 million metric tons of copper, 40 million tons of lead, 50 million tons of zinc, 162 million tons of aluminum, and no less than 4.8 billion tons of iron.
In some cases, the transition to renewables will require a massive increase over existing levels of extraction. For neodymium—an essential element in wind turbines—extraction will need to rise by nearly 35 percent over current levels. Higher-end estimates reported by the World Bank suggest it could double.
The same is true of silver, which is critical to solar panels. Silver extraction will go up 38 percent and perhaps as much as 105 percent. Demand for indium, also essential to solar technology, will more than triple and could end up skyrocketing by 920 percent.
And then there are all the batteries we’re going to need for power storage. To keep energy flowing when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing will require enormous batteries at the grid level. This means 40 million tons of lithium—an eye-watering 2,700 percent increase over current levels of extraction.
That’s just for electricity. We also need to think about vehicles. This year, a group of leading British scientists submitted a letter to the U.K. Committee on Climate Change outlining their concerns about the ecological impact of electric cars. They agree, of course, that we need to end the sale and use of combustion engines. But they pointed out that unless consumption habits change, replacing the world’s projected fleet of 2 billion vehicles is going to require an explosive increase in mining: Global annual extraction of neodymium and dysprosium will go up by another 70 percent, annual extraction of copper will need to more than double, and cobalt will need to increase by a factor of almost four—all for the entire period from now to 2050.
The problem here is not that we’re going to run out of key minerals—although that may indeed become a concern. The real issue is that this will exacerbate an already existing crisis of overextraction. Mining has become one of the biggest single drivers of deforestation, ecosystem collapse, and biodiversity loss around the world. Ecologists estimate that even at present rates of global material use, we are overshooting sustainable levels by 82 percent.
Take silver, for instance. Mexico is home to the Peñasquito mine, one of the biggest silver mines in the world. Covering nearly 40 square miles, the operation is staggering in its scale: a sprawling open-pit complex ripped into the mountains, flanked by two waste dumps each a mile long, and a tailings dam full of toxic sludge held back by a wall that’s 7 miles around and as high as a 50-story skyscraper. This mine will produce 11,000 tons of silver in 10 years before its reserves, the biggest in the world, are gone.
To transition the global economy to renewables, we need to commission up to 130 more mines on the scale of Peñasquito. Just for silver.
Lithium is another ecological disaster. It takes 500,000 gallons of water to produce a single ton of lithium. Even at present levels of extraction this is causing problems. In the Andes, where most of the world’s lithium is located, mining companies are burning through the water tables and leaving farmers with nothing to irrigate their crops. Many have had no choice but to abandon their land altogether. Meanwhile, chemical leaks from lithium mines have poisoned rivers from Chile to Argentina, Nevada to Tibet, killing off whole freshwater ecosystems. The lithium boom has barely even started, and it’s already a crisis.
And all of this is just to power the existing global economy. Things become even more extreme when we start accounting for growth. As energy demand continues to rise, material extraction for renewables will become all the more aggressive—and the higher the growth rate, the worse it will get.
It’s important to keep in mind that most of the key materials for the energy transition are located in the global south. Parts of Latin America, Africa, and Asia will likely become the target of a new scramble for resources, and some countries may become victims of new forms of colonization. It happened in the 17th and 18th centuries with the hunt for gold and silver from South America. In the 19th century, it was land for cotton and sugar plantations in the Caribbean. In the 20th century, it was diamonds from South Africa, cobalt from Congo, and oil from the Middle East. It’s not difficult to imagine that the scramble for renewables might become similarly violent.
If we don’t take precautions, clean energy firms could become as destructive as fossil fuel companies—buying off politicians, trashing ecosystems, lobbying against environmental regulations, even assassinating community leaders who stand in their way.
Some hope that nuclear power will help us get around these problems—and surely it needs to be part of the mix. But nuclear comes with its own constraints. For one, it takes so long to get new power plants up and running that they can play only a small role in getting us to zero emissions by midcentury. And even in the longer term, nuclear can’t be scaled beyond about 1 terawatt. Absent a miraculous technological breakthrough, the vast majority of our energy will have to come from solar and wind.
None of this is to say that we shouldn’t pursue a rapid transition to renewable energy. We absolutely must and urgently. But if we’re after a greener, more sustainable economy, we need to disabuse ourselves of the fantasy that we can carry on growing energy demand at existing rates.
Of course, we know that poorer countries still need to increase their energy use in order to meet basic needs. But richer countries, fortunately, do not. In high-income nations, the transition to green energy needs to be accompanied by a planned reduction of aggregate energy use.
How might this be accomplished? Given that the majority of our energy is used to power the extraction and production of material goods, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change suggests that high-income nations reduce their material throughput—legislating longer product life spans and rights to repair, banning planned obsolescence and throwaway fashion, shifting from private cars to public transportation, while scaling down socially unnecessary industries and wasteful luxury consumption like the arms trade, SUVs, and McMansions.
Reducing energy demand not only enables a faster transition to renewables, but also ensures that the transition doesn’t trigger new waves of destruction. Any Green New Deal that hopes to be socially just and ecologically coherent needs to have these principles at its heart.
221 Comments on "The Limits of Clean Energy"
Antius on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 10:40 am
“OK cloggie you do not like reality as it stands in the here and now. Those stats clearly indicate that renewables reaching 100% capacity by 2050, that is in 30 years mind you, cannot happen at the current rate of construction. Think about it, it has taken humanity all these years up to this point in time, today, to get maybe 3% of our total energy usage, and according to you by 2050 humanity will be running on 100% “renewables” all fossil free, to boot. No evidence exists to support such a preposterous claim.”
At present rates it would take 200-300 years. And the problem is that as FF EROI declines, we are gradually getting poorer. So we won’t be able to afford to build as much of this stuff as we do now.
If instead we based our future energy system on high conversion ratio light water reactors, we could replace fossil fuels relatively quickly. But we would need to decide as a species that that was what we intended to do and plan accordingly.
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:05 am
OK cloggie you do not like reality as it stands in the here and now. Those stats clearly indicate that renewables reaching 100% capacity by 2050, that is in 30 years mind you, cannot happen at the current rate of construction. Think about it, it has taken humanity all these years up to this point in time, today, to get maybe 3% of our total energy usage, and according to you by 2050 humanity will be running on 100% “renewables” all fossil free, to boot. No evidence exists to support such a preposterous claim.
I am not advocating 100% replacing current fossil fuel life style with a renewable one, “plug-and-play”.
I would advocate discouraging private car ownership, abandoning flying, abandoning cruise ships, telecommuting (working from home, online), localized production, anti-globalism. Without that you can still have a High Civilization:
https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=urn:gvn:FHM01:OS-75-316&size=large
(Haarlem, Netherlands, 17th century. No fossil fuel, not even renewable energy apart from wind mills. OK, they had a “little globalism”: East Indies, Nieuw-Amsterdam, Suriname, Dutch Formosa (Taiwan)), South-Africa and a few more.). Another good example was the Roman Empire.
I am advocating (for Europe):
– solar panels on every roof
– wind turbine next to every village
– biomass
– solar collectors feeding heat in seasonal storage (“ecovat”)
– geothermal heat
– internet connection for communication
– autonomous driving and trains, replacing private car
– e-bike!
– local food production
– basic income
– lower the stress of society
– if you want to visit the Taj Mahal, do it via Youtube.
Make the World Great Again, in terms of distance.
And in order to fight boredom, replace mass tourism to Venice with state exploration of the solar system.
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:30 am
“Earth to humans..
O..you don’t wanna take action globally on climate change..?
Here’s a Pandemic.
Practice.”
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:55 am
“I have never claimed that liberty will bring perfection, only that its results are vastly more preferable to those that follow authority.”
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 12:25 pm
Have spent some time in verifying the claims of the author of the article above and have to reject his finding thoroughly:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/04/18/jason-hickel-foreign-policy-the-limits-of-clean-energy/
Yet another shoddy piece of work by a layman, bluffing his way into renewable energy.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 12:54 pm
Hickel wrights,”The phrase “clean energy” normally conjures up happy, innocent images of warm sunshine and fresh wind. But while sunshine and wind is obviously clean, the infrastructure we need to capture it is not. Far from it. The transition to renewables is going to require a dramatic increase in the extraction of metals and rare-earth minerals, with real ecological and social costs.
We need a rapid transition to renewables, yes—but scientists warn that we can’t keep growing energy use at existing rates. No energy is innocent. The only truly clean energy is less energy.” So cloggie all that the author is saying above is “shoddy”?
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 1:01 pm
“So cloggie all that the author is saying above is “shoddy”?”
If you read my post you will verify that “shoddy” refers to his claim that there are not enough resources to replace the current fossil energy base with 100% renewable and deliver the same output
There are enough resources for that task.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 1:15 pm
Cloggie says,”If you read my post you will verify that “shoddy” refers to his claim that there are not enough resources to replace the current fossil energy base with 100% renewable and deliver the same output
There are enough resources for that task.”
How pray tell will humanity obtain all of these “renewable recourses” through the mining process? You mean the mining process that is powered by burning FF? And down the road as the “renewable energy” energy platforms need replacement due to wear and tear, you know entropy. Humanity will just start the whole process over again and dig up all of the replacement minerals over and over in an endless way? Burning more FF? OH now I see, Hinkle is right. So am I There is no such thing as renewable energy because they are all just FF extenders.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 1:57 pm
Read this book it could open your eyes, that is if you want to see the truth. http://www.greenillusions.org/
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 2:00 pm
An excerpt, http://www.greenillusions.org/ “Common knowledge presumes that we have a choice between fossil fuels and green energy, but alternative energy technologies rely on fossil fuels through every stage of their life cycle. Most importantly, alternative energy financing relies ultimately on the kind of economic growth that fossil fuels provide. Alternative energy technologies rely on fossil fuels for raw material extraction, for fabrication, for installation and maintenance, for back-up, as well as decommissioning and disposal. And at this point, there’s even a larger question: where will we get the energy to build the next generation of wind power and solar cells? Wind is renewable, but turbines are not. Alternative energy technologies rely on fossil fuels and are, in essence, a product of fossil fuels. They thrive within economic systems that are themselves reliant on fossil fuels.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 2:16 pm
In this recent article your beloved euro zone is profiled, Germany in particular. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 3:04 pm
“Common knowledge presumes that we have a choice between fossil fuels and green energy, but alternative energy technologies rely on fossil fuels through every stage of their life cycle.”
They do that NOW, because the transition has only begun. But anything that can be powered by fossil can be powered by batteries, hydrogen, biofuel. Energetically there is nothing special about fossil fuel. A kWh is a kWh.
Your hero Ozzie Zehner claims that wind and solar have an EROI lower than 1. This chap can’t be helped:
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B007ZL79Q0/ref=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 3:07 pm
In this recent article your beloved euro zone is profiled, Germany in particular.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/
Is there a point you want to make or is it too much trouble to formulate one?
Davy on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 3:22 pm
“A kWh is a kWh.”
On paper it is but not when you put the concept into the real world of many different types of energy and the equipment to harness them. Taking this further requires an economy of people and networks of systems differing according to how the KW is created. A Simpleton talks about kw=kw and then says this means anything with a kw is similar in relation to a global economy. NOT
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 3:47 pm
“Is there a point you want to make or is it too much trouble to formulate one?” Try reading the article and you tell me, would be the point.
whoa on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 3:53 pm
“A kWh is a kWh.”
above is islamophobic
a REAL GREEN kwh produced by amputated supremacist muzzies is tier 1 energy and should worth 10x the price of dirty electricity. It’s like rate structure where u pay more for peak hours of electricity consumption
saying a kwh is a kwh is to devaluate the worth of amputated supremacist muzies on the hamster wheel.
it’s all bs
whitey supertard bill warner explain origin of economic jihad and muzzies destroyed 5000 olive trees in greece which takes 70 years to produce first fruit
still no amputation of supremacist muzzies there starting with muzzie imams?
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:04 pm
“They do that NOW, because the transition has only begun. But anything that can be powered by fossil can be powered by batteries, hydrogen, biofuel. Energetically there is nothing special about fossil fuel. A kWh is a kWh.” There is nothing special about FF, until you try and strap a wind turbine to the top of your car for power. Transition has begun? Based on what? 3% of total energy coming from alternative renewable FF extenders? Batteries yes the exist but to what end? How are batteries manufactured? That’s right by burning a whole bunch of FF. hydrogen what practical application can you name on a consumer level? None because it does not exist. Biofuel’s? Oh yea chopping down trees and burning them for electricity great plan! Or using the corn crop to make ethanol? Right! How much chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and diesel fuel must be burned through in the process, let alone the natural gas used to process the corn into ethanol? This is what you call a transition? Burning more FF to end up with less quality sources of energy? Come on get over it. The whole idea of a clean green renewable transition ain’t happening.
Antius on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:10 pm
In the real world, the human economy continues to slip down the surplus energy cliff.
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/
It is almost a century since humanity first harnessed the limitless potential of nuclear fission, the most energy dense fuel known to exist. Fully equipped with a technology that could hand us the keys to the solar system, we instead languish on fossil fuels, desperately attempting to substitute their declining energy surplus with low power density atmospheric energy, like planetary winds. Fully equipped with all of the resources to escape their planetary prison, human beings condemned themselves to thermodynamic collapse on a tiny, exhausted planet. Historians will look back upon the later stages of the Western Jewish Empire as being a time of greed, selfishness and stupidity.
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:13 pm
“The whole idea of a clean green renewable transition ain’t happening.“
Keep deluding yourself:
https://blogs.gov.scot/scotlands-economy/2019/06/27/renewable-electricity-at-record-levels/
“Renewable electricity at record levels“
DT, can I ask you what formal education you have?
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:14 pm
Here is what biomas is all about. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=burned+biomass+documentary&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dburned%2bbiomass%2bdocumentary%26qs%3dn%26form%3dQBVDMH%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3dburned%2bbiomass%2bdocumentary%26sc%3d0-26%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d68B5D09836734DEF87BE91D57C2A9A39&view=detail&mid=5C312720064380FC7AA95C312720064380FC7AA9&&FORM=VDRVRV
Antius on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:17 pm
A new startup exploring the potential of the fission fusion hybrid reactor.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25922/apollo-fusion-startup-googler-nuclear-power/
It will come to nothing of course. The EU is only interested in weak ambient energy sources, that require us to gut the Earth to produce enough infrastructure to power civilisation. The US isn’t interested in any energy source that requires a penny of development funding, even if could change everything in 10 years time.
Antius on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:19 pm
Well done DT for fucking up the thread with a super long link. Try using TinyURLs. Look it up.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:38 pm
Cloggie A country of 5.4 million providing intermittent electricity hardly qualifies as a transition away from FF. The article does not mention or show any graphs indicating or showing how much power was produced and when compared to times of demand. This is the over riding problem of renewable (aka FF extender)energy sources. Further Have all of the trucks trains cars and modes of transportation been transitioned from FF? What about ocean shipping, all being done by sail? How about heating homes, are all the people of Scotland burning peat to keep warm as a biofuel?
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:42 pm
Antius that was an honest if a bit hasty mistake on my part. I was to quick to post.
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 4:54 pm
“A country of 5.4 million providing intermittent electricity hardly qualifies as a transition away from FF. The article does not mention or show any graphs indicating or showing how much power was produced and when compared to times of demand. ”
88% in 2019. In your eyes nothing will ever qualify as a “transition away from FF”
88% electricity from wind is 88% not from fossil.
Got that?
The 82 million of Germany had 45% renewable electricity in 2019. Got that?
And all countries in Europe will year in, year out, increase their share renewable electricity, until 100% will have been reached. For Scotland that is this year.
But if you insist that this is not a renewable transition, fine, be my guest. Be happy with your “insight”. I have wasted enough time on you already.
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:02 pm
Learning From Coronavirus: We Can’t Rely on Capitalism to Serve Our Most Basic Social Needs
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/04/18/learning-coronavirus-we-cant-rely-capitalism-serve-our-most-basic-social-needs
Its Wolff– the greed heads better watch out.
Duncan Idaho on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:18 pm
“The Trump Death Cult is out of control. It’s not enough that they are suicidal. I guess that’s their right. But they are trying to take the rest of us down with them. And they’re doing it in the most repulsive way possible.”
Death Cult is a little harsh– they are just idiots.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:29 pm
Cloggie, seems to me you have wasted most of your time believing in a fantasy. A fantasy of a clean green 100% renewable industrial civilization. This is not an insistence on my part, of a non existent transition. The whole idea is like believing in Santa Clause or the tooth fairy. Try as you might there is still no such thing, as a clean green transition from FF in the world of industrial civilization. It is all made up to keep people on track and in line to the beat of corporate green washing through multinational capitalism.
Davy on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:34 pm
“DT, can I ask you what formal education you have?”
cloggo, DT, is juanPee and juanPee is a high school drop out.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:45 pm
LOL DT Still not juanp. I Made it through high school, have some college, mostly industrial arts training, Building maintenance career of 40 years, dealing with all aspects of commercial and residential building maintenance. Autodidactic by choice (a person who has learned a subject(s) without the benefit of a teacher or formal education; a self-taught person).
Davy on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 5:51 pm
juanPee, I outed you months ago with your DT sock. It stands for Donald Trump and you have used it many times. Sometimes you add DDT, Davy Donald Trump. You are a loser fuck. You sure have fooled cloggo and makato, though. I don’t think antius cares. Stupid shit out of a stupid guy that’s juanPee.
makati1 on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 6:01 pm
Duncan, this virus scam is just that, bullshit.
Stats prove that it is not as dangerous as driving your car or smoking, yet they don’t ban cars or cigarettes or lock down the whole country to prevent those deaths. Or house arrest you for being obese.
Pure brainwashing bullshit with ulterior motives, that One World Government thingy keeps popping into my mind along with doing away with cash and conditioning the sheeple to live in a police state.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 6:04 pm
Davy I am not sure why you are so angry at juanp. I assure you that I am not juanp. Falling into the pit of name calling is disappointing to me (DT) especially because no where have I directed any sort of vitriolic disdain towards you.
Davy on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 6:30 pm
juanPee (DT) you are a loser and a joke. I like how your comment before the last on the moderated side got scrubbed because you were whining about ID theft and socks over here. LMFAO at the lunatic. You are a FUCK jaunPee.
Davy on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 7:43 pm
Oh, I forget to ask DT
What country are you from friend?
JuanP on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 9:37 pm
DT,
Trying to communicate with Davy is an exercise in futility. He is clinically insane. Ignoring him is the best course of action.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 10:04 pm
Thanks JuanP I was just ta wonderen….DT speaking for DT…………
Fuk sht on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 10:49 pm
I am Fuk sht KMA DUMD FK
makati1 on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:06 pm
Yep! Talking to Davy is like talking to the posterior end of a jackass and about as rewarding. All you get is gas and shit.
Anonymouse on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:50 pm
LoL, good one mak. Too true.
Antius on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 3:11 am
Davy thinks JuanP is everywhere.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 3:39 am
DT is not JuanP.
Most identity theft is done by the mobster in order to dilute this board with garbage posts in order to weaken unwanted political incorrect messages.
Perhaps that the admin of this board even quietly approves of this result. This is a board of “lunatics” anyway and in general nobody cares what the opinions are of patients of a lunatic ward and these opinions won’t be prosecuted. For the same reason I don’t mind being called a jew. On top of that I love a board that smells like a battle field. Total free speech, wonderful. Truly great American value, better than in Europe.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 3:51 am
Bad news for DT:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/04/18/wind-first-choice-for-new-energy-in-america/
“Wind = 1st Choice For New Power Capacity In America”
A report by the American Wind Energy Association claims in 2019, wind was the top choice for new electricity generation capacity all across America. According to AWEA’s latest Wind Industry Markets Report, 9.1 gigawatts of new wind generating capacity were added in the US last year, which represents 39% of all new utility-scale power additions. The total installed wind capacity is now 105 GW — enough to power 32 million American homes. In addition, wind energy is now the largest provider of renewable energy in the country, supplying over 7% of the nation’s electricity in 2019.
#TheseThingsWontBeStopped
I’m sure DT will find a twist to promote the idea that the renewable energy transition in America is not happening.
LOL
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 4:03 am
Bike-craft rising:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/04/16/londons-pedal-me-starts-home-delivery-service-as-stay-at-home-orders-give-e-bike-delivery-firms-a-boost/
“London’s “Pedal Me” Starts Home Delivery Service As Stay-At-Home Orders Give E-Bike Delivery Firms A Boost”
Dutch retailer “Cool-blue”, a very successful merger of a web-shop coolblue.nl with main-street client interface and ultra-fast delivery, delivers its electronics with blue cargo bikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghauYmeIH2I
(typical Dutch street with bikes everywhere)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddE1enBegn4
The Coolblue formulae btw could become dangerous for Amazon in Europe because of the attractive possibility to approach real people rather than an anonymous website, especially in the more expensive electronic devices segment.
DerHundistLos on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 4:51 am
Imagine if this happened in Europe-lol:
Africans in China are being racially profiled as anti-foreigner sentiment spreads through the country in the wake of the novel coronavirus outbreak. In Hong Kong, African renters have been evicted from their homes by landlords who are turning them away and breaking their contracts. These same people are then being turned away from hotels, regardless of their ability to prove no recent travel outside of China. Ultimately, many members of the African community have been left homeless.
Two dozen Africans living in Guangzhou who spoke to CNN about their experiences have said that they are being left without homes, subjected to random COVID-19 testing, and forced to quarantine without any display of symptoms or recent contact with known patients. They allege this is part of an effort by Chinese authorities to convince Africans to return to Africa.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 5:28 am
“Imagine if this happened in Europe-lol”
Asians are far more natural “racist” than Europeans (as Australians are beginning to find out), the latter are burdened by that kosher-invented Christianity universal-love-religion of the-other-cheek (essentially Marxism for tired old Romans).
Nevertheless, the Reformation, spearheaded by Holland after the Peace of Westphalia-1648 and exported to Britain and North-America, effectively reduced Christianity from 7 days per week to Sunday only. The top ten countries in terms of wealth and quality of life in the world are all white-protestant.
These days formal Christianity is dead in Europe, although in intellectual slow-lane countries like Siberia and the US, you still have Christian fundamentalist fools waving with crosses (a fine Roman invention and example of how to deal with jews). But remnants of Christian feelings are still within us, much more so than is good for our chances of survival.
Christianity needs to be further reduced to 0 days per week and our souls thoroughly cleansed from excessive altruism. For that to happen, like in the Renaissance, we need reorient ourselves on classic Greek and Roman civilization and reacquire some robustness, not to the tune that we need to reintroduce gladiator-fights-till-death, but still sufficient for instance to throw out this Allah-mob in Brussels without much ceremony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVSq0cwPFU
For intellectual pointers towards analyzing and dealing with the disastrous consequences of Christianity:
– All works by Friedrich Nietzsche
– The French New Right, the only serious intellectual resistance against the kosher Frankfurter School that is dominating western academia today:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/alain-de-benoist-on-being-a-pagan/
Alain de Benoist – On Being a Pagan
– European-Americans can read Nietzsche-lite:
https://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Inquiry-ebook/dp/B0026772N8/ref=sr_1_1
“Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”
Davy on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 5:40 am
A great look at the insanity and the insane. JuanP coming out from his sock DT and talking to him. Makto-one and annoymouse chiming in with mindless acknowledgment of juanPee. A new sock by juanPee “Fuk sht”. JuanP steeling Antius ID. And last but not least the cloggo protecting the juanPee ID theft and socks shit by the usual stupidity of saying it is MOBster. LMFAO. This forum s dead in the water with idiots and morons. No wonder juanPee is rarely over on the moderated side. He can’t stand being sane for more than a comment.
All of you idiots hate me because I moderate and neuter this shit.
Here is the mindless insanity that is a normal of the night show:
JuanP on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 9:37 pm DT,
Trying to communicate with Davy is an exercise in futility. He is clinically insane. Ignoring him is the best course of action.
DT on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 10:04 pm
Thanks JuanP I was just ta wonderen….DT speaking for DT…………
Fuk sht on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 10:49 pm
I am Fuk sht KMA DUMD FK
makati1 on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:06 pm
Yep! Talking to Davy is like talking to the posterior end of a jackass and about as rewarding. All you get is gas and shit.
Anonymouse on Sat, 18th Apr 2020 11:50 pm
LoL, good one mak. Too true.
Antius on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 3:11 am
Davy thinks JuanP is everywhere.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 3:39 am
DT is not JuanP.
Most identity theft is done by the mobster in order to dilute this board with garbage posts in order to weaken unwanted political incorrect messages.
DerHundistLos on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 5:41 am
Cloggie,
I was half joking by suggesting the condemnation that would befall European nations while China seems to receive little if any criticism.
Davy on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 5:42 am
“They allege this is part of an effort by Chinese authorities to convince Africans to return to Africa.”
When the Chinese funny money stops as it will it will be the other way around. BRI is dead in the water now.
Davy on Sun, 19th Apr 2020 5:45 am
“Wind = 1st Choice For New Power Capacity In America”
It nice to see you are finally admitting the US is a force in renewable energy instead of the fraudulent anti-American eurotard chauvinism that it is only China and Europe.