By 2035 the global energy transition will reach a point of no return, according to a recent report from Wood Mackenzie.
By that year, says WoodMac, renewables will likely meet 20 percent of global power demand, up from today’s 7 percent. The combination of wind, solar and electric vehicles will displace about 100 billion cubic feet of oil per day, creating an “unstoppable” shift for companies and countries around the world.
“Stopping this transition seems highly unlikely,” reads the report. “It’s going to happen.”
Though several global power markets already claim percentages of renewables above 20 percent, WoodMac projects a wide range of markets will rise to reach that level in coming decades. After that, adoption of renewables accelerates even faster — with wind, solar and electrified transport becoming “the default choice across many energy systems around the world.”
Power markets will completely transform. WoodMac notes in the report that wind, solar and storage all have “high disruptive potential in power markets.”
A year after the 2035 inflection point, WoodMac forecasts a peak in oil demand, with electric motors accounting for 15 to 20 percent of all miles traveled in buses, cars, trucks or on bicycle. Electric vehicles could eliminate the use of 6 million barrels of oil per day by 2040.
WoodMac also notes the inflection point could come earlier as policy gets more ambitious, or if technologies such as advanced energy storage and microgrids take root earlier than current projections.
The report is significant in that it’s coming from an oil and gas consulting group. In September, WoodMac unveiled its new Power & Renewables team, assembled from its own global power analysts along with analysts from recently acquired companies MAKE Consulting, which focuses on wind research, and GTM Research.
The transition is inevitable and powerful. But WoodMac’s projections are still far behind the emissions scenarios that scientists say are necessary to mitigate the worst effects of climate change. In a report released by the U.N. this month, authors claimed the world needs to get 70 to 85 percent of its electricity from renewables by mid-century to limit warming to 1.5°C.
WoodMac’s head of global wind energy research Dan Shreve said, “We’re going to have a tremendous amount of difficulty” reaching the IPCC’s goals based on WoodMac’s current projections of the energy transition.
Want deeper analysis on where things stand? Click here to read more on how WoodMac’s report compares to the IPCC’s vision.
GTM
Cloggie on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 3:57 pm
The death of the oil (and car) industry could be as early as 2030, when autonomous driving will become the new normal for transport.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/
Interesting comparison, the rise of the internet from a few % in 2000 to 75% in 2010:
https://www.bbntimes.com/images/Digital-Graph-1.png
It could go that quick.
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:35 pm
Richard Spencer’s Wife Says In Divorce Filings That He Physically and Emotionally Abused Her
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/talalansari/richard-spencer-divorce-abuse-wife-allegations
Abusing woman is what Nazi’s do best!
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:36 pm
Clog
Autonomous cars in 2030? I thought it was 2020? HAHA
Just keep dreaming little buddy..
You won’t be alive by 2025, let alone in a driverless car by 2030.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:44 pm
When the economies of the world collapse in the next few years, there will be no money to grow the techie dream. We decided long ago to be a FF society and wasted it on throwaway junk and personal vehicles. A barrel of oil is worth thousands of dollars in energy but we sold it cheap. The story of humanity.
The ONLY way we can ever be 100% renewable is if there is only a few of us left and we use muscle power. The techie bullshit in the above article is just that. Bullshit.
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:46 pm
How about you go away, and quick cloggberg? And I’m not talking 2030. Like, tomorrow. Find someplace else to spread your fertilizer. Oh, and speaking of fertilizer spreaders, you can take your BFF, Davyturd\I AM THE DAVYTURD with you when you go.
YOu could go that quick. (And never come back).
Davy on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:49 pm
a-noise1, the sock cop checks in as usual. What kind of board crimes have been committed today? What a model dumbass to behold. lol.
Davy on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:51 pm
Billy, I don’t see you whining about the handle theft going on today by your buddy Juanp.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 6:05 pm
Davy, I don’t give a damn about who pretends to be whom. You do it often enough so don’t be hypocritical. Childish games are of no interest to me.
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 6:33 pm
U.S. SHALE OIL INDUSTRY: Catastrophic Failure Ahead
https://srsroccoreport.com/u-s-shale-oil-industry-catastrophic-failure-ahead/
Davy on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 6:53 pm
“Childish games are of no interest to me.”
You love the games billy. You like when people like juanp stir up shit. In fact if I am not on your ass you are attacking me. You are a low life as bad as juan.
Don’t you remember the other day when you were whining about the handle theft, liar. These games are not of interest to you until your handle is hijacked. That hasn’t happened yet that I know of. One of these days it will and I bet you will get all bent out of shape.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:15 pm
Davy, delusional as always. My comments to and about you are in response to your own about me. You are a huge hypocrite among other mental problems. Get help.
Davy on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:28 pm
Nope, billy, I had made an effort to ignore you but when I do you attack me. You are one of those conniving little man who likes stirring up shit and getting attention out of it.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:52 pm
Well, maybe you deserve to be “attacked”? You cannot constantly attack people and not expect it to be returned in kind. Just like your dying country attacking innocent people all over the world and then not expecting any blow-back. Both are delusional. And both are going to be destroyed because of that arrogance. You by insanity and lack of maturity and the US by economic collapse and, maybe, nuclear war. So be it. Neither will be a surprise.
Anontarded1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:58 pm
aswang, this art says phils lack supertards
https://www.voanews.com/a/philippines-israel-energy/4623435.html
twocats on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:04 pm
does anyone out there at all believe this crap? Who is the audience for this? Home owners in San Francisco? I mean its so fantastical. The global consensus on multiple levels are breaking down. we are closer to world war (or lots of internal civil wars) than any “energy transition”… unless we are talking about burning soylent charcoal cakes.
Davy on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:08 pm
If you don’t stop saying things that I don’t like billy I’m going to tell my dad on you. My dad is a very powerful man and he can get your social security taken away.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:24 pm
Davy, once again, you prove that an asshole cannot turn into a rosebud just by thinking he can. For over five years you have proven to everyone here that you are an asshole. Don’t expect intelligent people to buy that “change” bullshit.
Your ‘dad’- is nothing. More bullshit. You have no idea what connections I have so you best keep your mouth shut.
I will mention that I have a good Mormon friend in the upper levels of the CIA. I would say that trumps (pun intended) anyone you may know. He knows where you live, or could easily find out. You live in a police state where everything is monitored and recorded. Remember that.
Anontarded1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:33 pm
That not suertard aswange
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:34 pm
Third World America in the news:
“Socialized Medicine Won’t Solve America’s Obesity Problem”
https://mises.org/wire/socialized-medicine-wont-solve-americas-obesity-problem
“Rates Of STDs Rise Sharply: ‘We Are Sliding Backward’”
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/rates-of-stds-rise-sharply-we-are-sliding-backward_10222018
“Our Easy-Money Economy Is Not Sustainable”
https://mises.org/wire/our-easy-money-economy-not-sustainable
“A 14-year-long oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico verges on becoming one of the worst in U.S. history”
https://ricefarmer.blogspot.com/
And on and on. Slip slidin’….
Antius on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:44 pm
“does anyone out there at all believe this crap”
In terms of kWh cost delivered to the busbar, wind and solar can compete with any other source except natural gas. Where the article is wrong and the situation falls to pieces, is on the topic of storage. Storage is not being built at anything like the rate needed to buffer the supply of energy to the point where it matches varying demand. The reason is the substantial additional cost and the fact that natural gas ccgt backup power plants are cheaper than any storage system.
Antius on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:46 pm
“Third World America in the news:
“Socialized Medicine Won’t Solve America’s Obesity Problem”
Stop eating shit.
“Rates Of STDs Rise Sharply: ‘We Are Sliding Backward’”
Stop fucking strangers.
How hard can any of this really be?
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:55 pm
Hey look, its davydumbass being….davydumbass. IoW he is being himself.
Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 11:21 pm
Cloggie, the oil market isn’t just about transport. Even if 100% of vehicles go off oil in 3 to 5 decades, there will be the petrochemical industry, which many forecasts predict significant global growth for.
The good news is that not burning it for transport means it will last quite a bit longer and produce less CO2, of course.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 12:41 am
If you really put yourself to it, the 100% energy transition can be realized for some countries as early as 2030:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/netherlands-sustainable-by-2030/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/the-netherlands-fossil-free-in-2030/
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/30/hans-josef-fell-accelerating-the-global-transition-to-100-renewable-energy/
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:01 am
“If you really put yourself to it, the 100% energy transition can be realized for some countries as early as 2030:”
I doubt it and this has been made abundantly clear many times by myself and Antius. Maybe you can get above 50% which is still good but above 80% may not even be advisable to the stability of your economies. It might end up being your last gasp and an early severe decline. Who knows because this is all experimental and learn as you go. That type of effort is fraught with dangers and we no longer have the luxuries of making mistakes.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:52 am
As I predicted a few months ago, the Republicans would use the massive federal budget deficits being accrued as a result of the Trump tax cut for the very rich as an excuse to cut our Social Security and Medicare. Here’s the news from yesterday from Newsweek.
“MITCH MCCONNELL CALLS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID CUTS AFTER PASSING TAX CUTS, MASSIVE DEFENSE SPENDING
After instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.”
Antius on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:03 am
Interesting graph from the late David McKay’s website ‘Without Hot Air’. The output of all windfarms in the Republic of Ireland in MW as a function of time.
http://www.withouthotair.com/c26/page_187.shtml
Take a close look at the real time generation graph for the month of February. There is a period of 5 days where generation is less than 10% of installed capacity. Looking at the gridwatch graph for the UK this is typically a low period for solar energy as well. Even assuming that half of the power produced is used to generate storable heat, wind and solar production during this period fall far short of what is needed to meet any baseload demand requirement.
http://gridwatch.co.uk/Renewables
This would appear to be quite problematic to me. For short term lulls lasting no more than a day, there are storage options that appear workable – thermal, CAES, pumped storage, etc. But for long term lulls lasting days or weeks, the situation is more difficult.
Option 1: The obvious answer would be some form of backup power supply to cover essential functions during long-term lulls. This will add to the capital cost of the whole system. Efficiency is perhaps less important for a system that will be used only a couple of time a year, so open-cycle gas turbines burning a stored liquid fuel like LNG would probably be a good way of meeting this sort of demand. But capacity would need to be high (many GW).
Option 2: Another alternative would be some kind of hybrid biomass thermal storage steam powerplant. This would absorb excess renewable electricity and store it as heat in a concrete or stone block. The heat will then be used in combination with the biomass boiler to generate continuous baseload power, 24/7, 365 days per year. For long term lulls, the fuel input to the boiler can be increased to maintain the same steam temperature as the thermal store empties.
Option 3: The final option is to do none of these things and for people to adapt to a situation in which they occasionally need to go without power (and heat). This won’t be very popular, but at the end of the day, the solution will be dictated by what people can afford.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:44 am
I think it is not a situation where we choose options. This needs to be a situation where we attempt to use all of the above. The situation will be in finding the right combination per location and ability. Personally I feel we need to look at option 3 harder because it is behavioral. If we can get people to embrace intermittency then we are on the road to adapted demand management.
I would take it a step further I would find people supported by governments, corporations, and nonprofits to fund the transfer of populations back to the land in low energy low ecological foot print living. We could do this instead of throwing all our money at energy tech and big engineering. This is as much about psychology as it is about tech. We need education and we need a cultural narrative. Really we need to even go further by making this spiritual in regards to the planet and its web of life. I am not calling it religious because we need to keep open the ability of all faiths to embrace this movement. If you try to build a new religion then you are instantly in competition and at risk of critiques that religions suffer. I will say this this movement needs to have religious undertones in regards to function if the dogma could be removed. If we could get more people out of high consumption and into supporting themselves more, this takes some of the difficulty away from trying to bring everyone up to 21st century high affluence standards. We are going the wrong way with sustainable development by trying to make everyone affluent. Affluence and more consumption is THE problem.
The problem is of course making this work. There will have to be control mechanisms because discretionary wants will have to be channeled to low consumption, low energy, and low ecological foot print lifestyles. This could go hand in hand with efforts at tech because tech is part of the solution it is just tech is not THE Solution. So engineers like you have a place in the solution but you are not the solution. We just can’t maintain this status quo so we need to be reviewing options. A hybrid of past lifestyles with the best of the tech, efficiency, and knowledge that we have currently seems to me to be a good option. Wisdom to direct this effort is paramount so a mechanism to guide, educate, and enforce behavior for those willing to embrace it.
The handbook for theses lifestyles is not difficult to figure out because it is the best of today and yesterday. It is a wide array of lifestyles because the world is full of many different types of locals. It is a rejection of the worst of both periods. We need localism and to live seasonally locally. We need a high degree of self-sufficiency but in low consumption. This means lower affluence. We also need the high tech world of the status quo to be maintained in some shape or form to support these efforts. This means smaller and smarter urban areas dedicated to this effort for their own sustainability and resilience. This includes continuing to help the third world instead of exploiting them. We need to get corporations (Monsantos) out of the subsistence world of the third world. The third world is already doing what I am talking about in many ways.
This is all a tall order but look around at other options. There are no easy options out there. It is all tough and all of them will be painful. The cornucopian techno-optimist are some of the most delusional. They think this high tech green world is all going to appear by osmosis if we think and try hard enough. They are truly setting us on the wrong track by creating false hope which just sets this whole endeavor up for failure and possibly anger.
Antius on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:52 am
The average UK home consumes about 10MWh of heat per year. About three quarters of this will be consumed between November and March, an average of about 50KWh per day for heating and hot water.
Storing energy at the house level would be difficult in the UK. Most properties are small by American standards and don’t have a lot of space around them or in them. So any energy storage solution at household level must be energy dense, as well as being cheap and safe. Thermal storage would appear to be the only workable solution.
One cubic metre of rock, weighs about 3000kg. Specific heat is about 1KJ per kg Kelvin. Heating the rock from 300K to 1000K will absorb 2.1GJ of heat (580kWh). So it would seem, that a single cubic metre (34 cubic feet) of insulated rock, could store enough energy to heat a UK home for up to 10 days. Suppose we install a small heat engine on each thermal store and operate it in combined heat and power mode. Let us assume that it receives hot fluid at an average temperature of 800K and rejects it into a hot water tank at 350K. Carnot efficiency would be 56%. A large steam power station typically achieves about two thirds Carnot efficiency. However, a small heat engine would probably achieve less than half Carnot efficiency, because of friction, heat losses and higher thermal gradients. Let us say, it achieves 25% efficiency.
If the thermal store is discharged continuously for 5 days, say, it will produce 218kWh of heat for the house and 72kWh of electric power. That is a baseload power of 0.6kW. If systems such as this were installed in one half of the UKs twenty million homes, total generating power in winter would be 6GW. That is about one fifth of baseload power for the UK. Domestic use is about half of the UK’s total heating load. If similar systems are installed at commercial and industrial facilities, then small scale thermal storage could produce about half to two thirds of UK baseload power during lull periods. Given that some residual generation always remains from wind and solar, this should be sufficient to cover long-term lulls lasting up to 1 week.
Antius on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 7:05 am
“I think it is not a situation where we choose options. This needs to be a situation where we attempt to use all of the above. The situation will be in finding the right combination per location and ability. Personally I feel we need to look at option 3 harder because it is behavioral. If we can get people to embrace intermittency then we are on the road to adapted demand management. ”
Davy, to be honest, this was my thinking from the beginning. I just like to tinker with things. Large, utility grade wind and solar plants can produce quite affordable power provided we accept their intermittency limitations. That means adapting to a way of life where we may need to go without grid power intermittently. This will mean significant changes to way of life, but I doubt that the change is optional. We need strategies that allow people to live well at lower prosperity levels as well. Your suggestion sounds a lot like Ted Trainer’s ‘Conserver Society’. I would recommend the book.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 7:07 am
“Your suggestion sounds a lot like Ted Trainer’s ‘Conserver Society’. I would recommend the book.”
You have already and it is on my book list.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:57 pm
“Yabut, you need fossil fuel for large vehicles!”
No, you don’t:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/23/caterpillar-ventures-invests-in-fiskers-solid-state-battery-tech/
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 3:01 pm
Sign of the times: “Shell Joins Global Wind Energy Council”
Shell has its home base in Europe that backs the “Paris Agreement” on climate change.
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/23/shell-joins-global-wind-energy-council/
makati1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 5:58 pm
More techie dreams in the above comments. Alternates like solar and wind can
not even replace their own systems with NET energy. They will never be more than toys and temporary fads. Something to keep the serfs dreaming of BAU in some form.
Why? Read this article and open your mind.
http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/12/machines-making-machines-making.html
“Solar and wind capturing devices are not alternative energy sources. They are extensions of the fossil fuel supply. There is an illusion of looking at the trees and not the forest in the “Renewable” energy world. Not seeing the systems, machineries, fossil fuel uses and environmental degradation that create the devices to capture the sun, wind and biofuels allows myopia and false claims.
Energy Return on Energy Invested (ERoEI) is only a part of the the equation. There is a massive infrastructure of mining, processing, manufacturing, fabricating, installation, transportation and the associated environmental assaults. Each of these processes and machines may only add a miniscule amount of energy to the final component of solar or wind devices. There would be no devices with out this infrastructure.”
100% renewable energy? Not possible other than sunlight on plants and animal muscles. But, dream on, if it makes you feel better.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:15 pm
You know cloggenYID, is so fucking stupid, he actually referenced that article one time Mak? It was after I told him that sentient , self-replicating, and self-assembling wind turbines, do not exist. (Imagine for a moment, what that means when you have to point that out to someone).
Anyhow, in what the cloggraham no doubt thought was a brilliant riposte, he linked that same article of sunwebs as you mak. He literally thinks sunweb subscribes to the idea that machines and machine tools, are sentient close-looped systems that power, and direct themselves, to reproduce more of ‘their kind’.
Autistic, is too gentle a word for bags of goo like that…..
However, fraudmeister routinely links and quotes articles that not only do not support whatever he wants to believe they do, they often directly, flat-out refute his ‘point’. Which again, makes ya wonder…..
Anontarded1(ps) on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:24 pm
anontard (ps) you’re a tough guy to get along. you like nobody except maybe the aswang (ps)
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:38 pm
“You know cloggenYID, is so fucking stupid, he actually referenced that article one time Mak?”
He makes you and billy look shabby, a-noise. WTF do either of you really know about energy. A-noise1 whines about how bad big oil is just because it is too American and thinks the US has stolen his dirty tar sands because that deflects his complicity in that environmental crime. What a loon. Billy hates tech because he would like to see everyone perish along with him in the next decade. Neder on the other hand know renewables. It is his passion. He sucks with the rest of reality but I will give the devil his dues.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:47 pm
The above post is not mine. Whoever posted that is obviously a mental case.
makati1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 6:49 pm
Anonymouse1, this site has attracted a number of delusional people. Having an intelligent, mature debate on any subject is impossible. It only proves that humanity is declining in many areas of the world, especially in the US.
I prefer to live in what is currently labeled a ‘third world country’ as it is still full of independent, self-sufficient people who have family ties and community. I have never been treated in an unfriendly way in my 10+ years of living here.
I have a number of good friends whom I trust and have an adopted family to share my life with. My US family is as close as my PC and phone. That is the same as if I still lived in the US as they are scattered all over the country. I’m enjoying life. Have a great day!
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 9:09 pm
The exceptionalturd drooled this howler out.
“The above post is not mine. Whoever posted that is obviously a mental case.”
Considering the source, that is both ironic, and almost funny. Which for you, is no small trick as you a life-form with no discernible sense of humor (at all). I almost had to laugh when reading you, describing yourself as a mental case. We’ve been only been saying the exact same thing for…how long?
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 9:10 pm
Thanks mak, you too.
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 10:50 pm
“Let us assume that it receives hot fluid at an average temperature of 800K”
Where do you intend to get that from, in sufficient quantities?
Here a large amount of thermal storage options:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/?s=storage+heat
For the moment my personal favorite:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/ecovat-seasonal-storage/
Seasonal storage of solar heat in water, that can serve as the “cold” input for a heatpump.
When I was a kid in 1960 we had a single hearth in the livingroom and still cold winters. The entire family of 6 sat around the (oil-fired) stove, the rest of the house and kitchen was stone cold. You can happily survive that way.
Today you can heat a livingroom with €700,- devices like these and renewable electricity:
https://www.amazon.com/PIONEER-Air-Conditioner-Minisplit-Heatpump/dp/B01DVW6BG0/ref=sr_1_3_sspa
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 11:17 pm
Eindhoven, that happy town, is in a state of bliss as we’ll get 15 more Moore years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
The geniuses behind EUV:
https://youtu.be/Bhn4MmII1Og
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ultraviolet_lithography
Samsung has bought the first machines for €100M per piece, Intel and the rest will follow. ASML has 90% of the world market (11 billion, 3 billion profit) and Nikon the rest. ASML is the only one able to deliver EUV.
Housing prices in Eindhoven are expected to rise another 10% in the coming 12 months, thanks to EUV, which is good for my retirement prospects.
Eindhoven, probably the least attractive town in the Netherlands, but its technological center:
https://youtu.be/Oh_KT7hcw74
…and the global “Silicon Valley” of IT hardware. My world at the end of my career.
Davy on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 5:10 am
neder, part of your problem is narcissism. You are stuck on yourself and your country. It is easy to see this in your above. A one time would be ok but you do it every day.
Davy on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 5:11 am
“Thanks mak, you too.”
a-noise1 has one board friend.LOL. Is billy a daddy figure for you, noise?
Free Speech Message Board on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 6:22 am
The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.
The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.
Makati1 on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 9:31 am
I would just like to apologise to Davy for being so anti – american all the time.
I actually think hes a cool guy.
I just like arguing all the time like a dork!
Davy on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 9:34 am
Why thankyou Makati, that is such a nice thing to say.
All the best to you and have a nice day over there in the sunny Phillipines!
Tootle Pip!
FatpigMerkelfromtheEast on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 9:38 am
Oink oink grunt.
grunt oink oink
feed!
onlooker on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 9:39 am
What an anomaly Davy and Makati talking niceties haha