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Kunstler: Wounded Elephant

Last night’s debate raises some interesting questions, such as: would the Romans have elected Caligula if given the chance to vote? Can the Republican party recover from Donald Trump? If the party poobahs “pull the plug” on Trump, as some are threatening to do (that is, cut off funds to his campaign), will they go down the drain with him anyway? Is the USA a nation or just the world’s biggest comedy club? Where is the Deep State when you really need it?

That odor wafting across the land is the smell of Republicans with their hair on fire. Yet the gloat of astonishment on Hillary’s face as she witnesses the Queeg-like crack-up of her rival will eventually fade as she discerns the wreckage awaiting her in the oval office. Weep for your country!

The only good to come out of this sordid election is the certainty that a lot of political debris will be swept away in the Fourth Turning underway. Out of the miasma of idiocy and posture that is this election campaign, the hard-edged realities of our time will emerge and the TV audience will come to the stark recognition that it is not just another mere entertainment.

The other major nations of the world are not so much ganging up on America, as Hillary would have it, but reasonably attempting to ring-fence the mad bull that the USA has become — as the two candidates vie to start World War Three with China and Russia respectively. The last resort of the scoundrels in today’s version of the “yellow press” is to blame Russia for attempting to meddle in our election. War, children, it’s just a shot away.

It is getting to be too late to sort out all the confusion sown by this horrific campaign. From here on its really more a matter of the dust settling. In background of it all looms the train-wreck of global finance, which will be the true determinant of what the American people will have to do in the years ahead. During the weeks of the election distraction, the European banks struggle to conceal their insolvency while the politicians of Euro-land desperately try to paper over the cracks in these fracturing institutions. Few can tell what is actually happening in China’s banking system, but it’s sending out ominous tremors that are hard to ignore. But be sure it is all daisy-chained right into Wall Street and the US banks. The potential for wrecking markets and currencies around the world is extreme at this moment. It may only be a matter of whether it happens before or after the election.

Then we’ll see what happens when financial institutions can’t trust each other. Trade stops. Economies crumble. Pretenses evaporate. If it gets bad enough, the shelves of the supermarkets go bare in three days and you’re living in a permanent hurricane disaster without the wind and rain. Believe me, that will be bad enough. Hillary, if elected, will not get to play FDR-2. Rather, she’ll be stuck in the role of Hoover, the Return, presiding over a freight elevator of an economy with a broken cable. Expect problems with the US dollar. Expect “emergency” actions. Expect the unintended consequences of those actions.

If there is one outstanding upshot of these “debates” it must be their staggering failure to reassure the American public that they can expect effective leadership through the hardships ahead. There must be many others out there like myself wondering who will emerge from the rubble? I suspect it will be someone we haven’t heard of before, just as Bonaparte was unheard of in France in 1792. This is not entirely a nation of clowns, though it feels like that lately.

Kunstler

65 Comments on "Kunstler: Wounded Elephant"

Ghung on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 10:18 am

This US election cycle is a symptom of, and bell-weather for, the increasing inviability of our entire socio-economic system. Death by a thousand cuts is approaching at an increasing rate and the center will not hold. Other factors, including financial sector incapacity to provide credit, an overall decrease in the population’s ability to cope with ever-more disturbing indicators and hyper-complexity, along with increasing reliance on complex structures to deal with simple tasks, and a creeping loss of return on all of our investments, more, will be the ultimate cause of ‘peak oil’. We simply won’t be able to support current levels of production, economically and technologically.

Meanwhile, economies are doubling down on a dying paradigm and governments become increasingly impotent to respond to any of these things affectively. Don’t tell me how you can fix it. Tell me what your response will be when things really begin to fall apart at a level that will be undeniable.

The most important votes I cast this year will be at the local level.

Jerry McManus on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 10:40 am

I believe it was Mark Twain who said something along the lines of: “If voting made any difference then they wouldn’t let us do it.”

Kenz300 on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 11:14 am

Paid no taxes, divorced how many times, degrades women, does not respect veterans and their families, is making money from his campaign funneling money to his businesses, has questionable charity contributions, filed for bankruptcy multiple times, takes huge tax breaks at the taxpayers expense, flip flops on issues,

The top 1% want it all and the RepubliCON party will give it to them.

penury on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 11:28 am

Alright Kenz300, enough about you, how about we discuss Hillary?

Ghung on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 11:35 am

Rats fleeing a sinking ship:

“(CNN)House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party’s hold on Congress…

…In a conference call with members Monday morning, Ryan told members “you all need to do what’s best for you and your district,” according to someone who listened to the meeting.
“He will spend his entire energy making sure that Hillary Clinton does not get a blank check with a Democrat-controlled Congress,” said the person on the call — an implied acknowledgment that Donald Trump no longer appears able to capture the White House….”

Yeah, we better talk about Hillary, since it’s a good bet she’ll be the next President.

penury on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 11:58 am

I agree that the fix is in, and that Hillery has already been anointed by the true rulers of the U.S. If you read the excerpts from her speeches to Wall Street you will find out who her support is. Without the MIC and Wall Street and the lap dog press there are still a few U.S citizens who do not support the utter corruption of the political process in this country.

Cloud9 on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 11:59 am

The rancor we are witnessing in this current election is unlike anything we have seen since the late 1850’s. The Marxists are encouraging a race war. The neocons are pushing for a war with Russia and the oligarchs have purchased the political system. The image of the FBI so carefully cultivated by J. Edgar Hoover has been shattered and the IRS has become a hit man for the political enemies of the regime. All legitimacy is lost. Hedonism and perversion have been embraced by the image peddlers as the national norm. Meanwhile, we the deplorables have concluded that we have been all but cut out of the political process. Not a single southern state voted for Lincoln just prior to secession. If this election is stolen then a well armed, highly pissed off populace may secede from the system.

Bill on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 2:30 pm

It is the banksters who want war with Russia. Trump suggests joining up with Russia to defeat ISIS. Hillary is owned by the banisters as is Obama. So, if there is any chance of Trump winning the banisters will start WWIII prior to the election.

potterpaul on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 3:09 pm

I thought it interesting that Hillary made the claim that”the US is now energy independent.” Any one else catch that claim?

It was difficult to sit through the debate. Eventually I went and washed the dishes while listening. I don’t much like Hillary, but Trump is orders of magnitude worse. since I’m in California, where Trump doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell, I may vote for Stein.

makati1 on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 8:01 pm

potter, you obviously have a warped idea of what is best for the nation. Killary will take us into the Greatest Depression and then into a suicidal war with Russia and China. The war will be fought in the US 50, not just Europe. There will be no “winner”, just death.

GregT on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 8:30 pm

Top US General: Hillary’s No Fly Zone Strategy Would ‘Require’ War With Russia

“During testimony before the Senate Committee on Armed Services last week General Joseph Dunford rang the alarm over a policy shift that is gaining more traction within the halls of Washington following the collapse of the ceasefire brokered by the United States and Russia in Syria saying that it could result in a major international war which he was not prepared to advocate on behalf of.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmE9Jj-rEVs

JuanP on Mon, 10th Oct 2016 10:38 pm

In June 2006 I stopped working as a realtor and wrote an email to my family, friends, and clients telling everyone that I believed the US real estate market was going to experience a fall in prices. I went to California and took a Yoga teacher training course for 10 weeks. I started working as a Yoga teacher immediately after graduating and training Yoga teachers from all over the world in 2007.

Now I am warning the people I know again. This time the whole global financial system will implode and we might have a World War. These things will likely happen before the decade is over. We should prepare now before it’s too late. Three years ago I said on this forum that I thought we had five years before the next crash. I still feel the same way. We now have a couple of years if we are lucky. The coming financial crisis is likely to be the worst in modern times.

My wife and I have decided to visit Uruguay this year in November and December. We want to spend some time building stronger relationships with the people down there. I had hoped to avoid this for another two years, but now feel it’s necessary because the situation in the USA is worse than we thought it would be by now. This US election is extremely worrying. I believe Hillary will win and I consider her a clinically insane bitch. The situation in the USA appears completely hopeless.

Theedrich on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 1:44 am

The stupefying thing about the debates last night (Sunday, 2016 Oct 9) was not the two candidates (who included professional tear-jerker Clinton), but the audience of “undecideds.” They were the most embarrassingly moronic gaggle of viewers ever to expose themselves on national TV. The final question was from a cretin who asked what each candidate found nice in the other. As if such a question had anything whatsoever to do with running any nation, let alone the U.S. So now we know that snowflakes are going to decide the election. They will, of course, elect the Demonic Party’s insane banshee who will cause the country to veer off into World War Three. До свидания, Америка!

Cloggie on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 6:49 am

Kunstler pretends to present an unbiased view, but this and his previous article clearly shows his preference for the Hillarator. After all, the last thing we want is for whitey to take his cuntry back, now do we James.

At least Kunstler seems to be moving away from his peakoil and climate change mantras and begins to understand that in the short term these topics won’t make themselves felt in any meaningful way.

Instead we are going to witness the spectacle of financial collapse and Russia, China and the US preparing their respective populations for the stark possibility of war, WW3.

The poor neocons, who are prepared to bravely fight until the last American, begin to understand that it is now or never. In a decade or so the US will be a 3rd world country, thanks to massive 3rd world immigration and as such of little use for schemes of world conquest. Which of course is good news for the rest of the world.

Everything seems to be moving towards WW3 as a flight forward for the US elite. Expect the elite to have another surprise up in their sleeves, like the recent locker room banter video.

My expectation is that the Dems are going to win, but mutatis mutandis I likewise thought so about Brexit and was pleasantly surprised to learn otherwise.

One thing is certain that if Clinton wins, there will be a general realization among white America that their GOP party will never win again and that the future is for the darkies, who from them on can increasingly pose egalitarian demands. Obama care in the overdrive. Paytime, whitey!

Many whites will respond like this gentleman…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EMKOj_hw2g

…and flee from America as long as it is still possible, like many Russians did after the October revolution.

Davy on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 7:14 am

Short term? We are seeing an oil industry in significant decline and oil nations unravelling and that is not meaningful? You are telling me a blue water Arctic is not meaningful? Droughts, floods, and storms that are much more severe and numerous is not meaningful. What you fail to understand is the economic constant underlying all your predictions is flawed. A failing economic situation will put an end to your high standard of living in Europe and any meaningful green efforts you constantly brag about. Europeans will be in the same situation as the 3rd world’ers being hungry and cold. Your racist geopolitical rants will be irrelevant in context to global collapse. I see a wonderful denial of an old European man. I am glad you are enjoying life Cloggie. That is one thing we can do if we can do it.

forbin on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 9:04 am

it must be their staggering failure to reassure the American public that they can expect effective leadership through the hardships ahead.

about sums it up seen from this side of the pond

Forbin

penury on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 10:45 am

Quite frankly the “debates” are a useless exercise in promotion of Hillary by the bought and paid for. I long for the good old days when actual issues that affected the people were discussed. Corruption, bribery.lies and sexual arguments may be the order of the day for the U.S. but the result will be war, death and destruction. Instead of obsessing over meaningless hyberbole it would be wise if the people would wake up and take the advice of another politician “don;t listen to what I sy,watch what I do”

Davy on Tue, 11th Oct 2016 11:54 am

“The Real Battle Is For Your Mind – About That NBC/WSJ Clinton +11 Point Poll”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/latest-nbcwsj-poll-utter-nonsense

Blatant corruption and manipulation makes me sick. Hillary makes me sick.

Terrance Stuart on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:21 am

A few questions are in order. Is the main stream media in the United States any less monolithic then China’s? Is the United States effectively under a one party system with two names? Is the plan to create the North American Union, a new nation requiring a new constitution on schedule? Why would Donald Trump want to place a wall in the middle of this North American Union?

John E. on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 7:10 pm

This guy is still writing? After his ridiculous endorsement of Israel and turning a blind eye to Gaza, I stopped reading his crap years ago. I see that Cuntler still doesn’t get it. There will be no “political debris” swept away. This election fiasco is factual proof of that. There is absolutely nothing of substance in this post that we all don’t already know.

makati1 on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 7:50 pm

Terrance, Answers:
1. YES.
2. Yes.
3. Saying and doing are two DIFFERENT things.

All evidence points to the NAU still under construction.

GregT on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 10:14 pm

“Where is the Deep State when you really need it?”

Doing everything possible to make damn sure that Hillary gains control of the oval office!

Boat on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 10:34 pm

greggiet,

Next you’ll tell the Jews paid Tump billions to run then implode.

GregT on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:10 pm

Boat,

If you’re trying to make a funny, at the very least, attempt to string 12 words together to form a coherent sentence.

Cloggie on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:11 pm

Russia repatriates officials as WW3 between Anglosphere and Eurasia approaches:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3833941/Russia-orders-officials-fly-home-relatives-living-abroad-tensions-mount-prospect-global-war.html

The liberation of Europe is near. Let’s bring it on.

– The US will attack Russia in Syria.
– China will come to the aid of Russia.
– When the US is at war with both, the European Right will agitate in favor of Moscow and Eurasia and initiate its own 1989.
– If US satraps in Europe follow the US into the war, a very big if, Russia will halt fossil fuel deliveries and bring Europe to its knees in a few months time and force it into neutrality, but more likely Merkel will be overthrown long before that happens.

A Clinton presidency will mean war immediately.

Choose wisely America.

Cloggie on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:21 pm

Where is the Deep State when you really need it?

How can this be interpreted as anything else but a call by Cuntler to assassinate Trump by the CIA-Mossad, like happened to JFK?

This fool must be really desperate that his tribe is about to be dethroned in America.

GregT on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:29 pm

Like I’ve said before Arthur, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Trump is nothing more than a distraction.

As much as it pains me to say so, Boat could be correct.

GregT on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:40 pm

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7wgmgtqVpFI/VoR5PfD5AaI/AAAAAAAAp-k/BgTwWImHul0/s1600/donald%2Bhillary.jpg

https://thebrittishproletariat.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/mr-trump.jpg?w=619&h=348

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kbHkCRg5Fis/VoR4j23kx-I/AAAAAAAAp-c/mnx-t7GOyUg/s1600/bill%2Bdonald.jpg

GregT on Wed, 12th Oct 2016 11:44 pm

And for 500 points cloggie, who is the guy in the blue hat, standing between Donald and Bill in the last photo above?

GregT on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:03 am

He might be easier to identify without the hat……

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KTP6w1RHhMQ/VoG0TGn79NI/AAAAAAAAAeE/4ABbctUBjto/s1600/1_6349891424719637501143527_27_OBSERV_20130314_PB_012.jpg

Apneaman on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:19 am

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 3:20 am

@GregT – the best way to know that “elite”, including Cuntler, is afraid of Trump, is the amount of vitriol poured over him. Didn’t happen to cuckservative Mitt Romney in 2012.

The youknowhows are rightfully afraid that Trump is another Putin… or Stalin, peace be upon him.lol

Donald “I don’t need your money” Trump is for real and they are afraid he could stop their agenda of destroying the West, to begin with the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBpMeeEBrYw
(“Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies”)

About the pictures with Bloomboig… doesn’t mean anything. You can’t be a NYC real estate grand without having to meet its major every now and then.

Stalin sat around the table and toasted with those youknowhwos before he “purged” them a few years later.

Putin must have fooled the “oligarchs” between 1991-2000, otherwise this Berezovsky clown wouldn’t have appointed him. Berezovsky committed suicide because of his mistake.

If Boat says something, you know in advance that the opposite is true.

Friday the forum clochard said “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

Indeed, I am not accusing you of intentionally sabotaging this forum, like in post 1:15 pm. It’s just that can’t keep a thought in your brain, right dear?

Again: don’t post very long strings, like url’s or juvenile “hahahahaha’s”, if there aren’t any hyphens in it.

Use tinyurl.com instead.

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 7:10 am

Turns out that the locker room banter video was probably leaked from the GOP itself, as a coup attempt against Trump. A palace revolution so to speak. The most likely leaker was a Daniel Samuel “Dan” Senor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Senor

And no, he is not a Mexican. Unfortunately I can’t reveal more about his background as I don’t want to be accused of antisemitism. Nobody wants that. At least not as long as the US empire is around. Which won’t be that long.

The GOP has de facto already seized to exist, other than as a springboard for Donald Trump, who will end globalism, if elected (a big if). And with it the entire US political system. 2016 was a point of no return for American politics, regardless if Trump will be elected or not.

http://www.ramzpaul.com/2016/10/gop-establishment-attempts-coup.html

P.S. anybody who in 2016 worries about peak oil and climate change has little intuition about what is going to happen next: WW3. After that war will be over, most production and transportation capacity of fossil fuel products will be gone anyway.

“Problem solved”.

Mark Milley threatening Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wCwJ8pfXXo

We heard you Milley, the entire world heard you and with your speech you crossed the Rubicon. There is no way back. Come and get us sunny, we in Eurasia are ready for you to settle and endless list of scores. We are not afraid of your navy, that 20th century anachronism, that will be dealt with with hyper-sonic missiles. We are not afraid of your nukes, we have them too (France, Russia, China). We are not afraid of your multicult army (North-Vietnam, Iraq!). And we know that your country is more divided than any other combatant. You can’t win wars with a divided country.

Ghung on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 8:06 am

“You can’t win wars with a divided country.”

Yeah? The US was divided prior to WWII. Just sayin’.

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 9:28 am

Yeah? The US was divided prior to WWII. Just sayin’.

Can’t remember that the US did any substantial fighting during WW2, other than bombing women and children in Germany from safe altitude and fight/nuke 5 foot Japanese with an economy 1/5 of that of the US. That doesn’t really count. The US only showed up in Europe when the show was already almost over.

WW2 contribution premeditated destruction of Germany (since 1933):

USSR–80%
USA—15%
UK—–5% (“Dad’s army”)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzAEZk4UkJ4

Ignoring for the moment the contribution of Norway, Holland, Belgium, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, Australia, Canada etc., etc. to the rape of Germany.

As confirmed by that cowboy from the prairy, justice Jackson of the Nuremberg tribunal/show trial:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/jack37.asp
this trial can do infinite harm for those countries with the people of the United States. And the same is true of our Russian relationships. The Germans will certainly accuse all three of our European Allies of adopting policies which forced them to war. The reason I Say that is that captured documents which we have always made that claim-that Germany would be forced into war. They admit they were planning war, but the captured documents of the Foreign Office that I have examined all come down to the claim, “We have no way out; we must fight; we are encircled; we are being strangled to death.

In other words, even Jackson had to admit among his palls that Germany didn’t wage aggressive war.

Jackson nevertheless knew that he couldn’t come home with an unconvicted Germany, so he and his Soviet partners in crime came up with a list of 14 points that were excluded from discussion (“off topic”). That was the trick with which the allies managed to condemn Germany and en passant accused them of gassing a million of 6 Jews, a topic you better not have any questions about, even if you are an 87 year old frail lady, ethnically cleansed from Prussia by Poles:

https://www.thelocal.de/20161012/87-year-old-holocaust-denier-sentenced-nazis

Nevertheless the core of her story was broadcasted by German television on prime time tv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM

Ursula Haverbeck probably sacrificed herself for her country and more interestingly, probably in coordination with the highest circles within German television.

Anyway, that was WW2. WW3 is next. This time it the US on its own, well on the way to become a very large third world country against real heavyweight enemies Russia and China and later continental Europe added to the mix. Good luck with that.

Ghung on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 9:51 am

Clog said; “Can’t remember that the US did any substantial fighting during WW2…”

We’ve gotten quite used to your selective memory, Cloggo, and your juggling of facts. Generally not worthy of a response.

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 9:57 am

We’ve gotten quite used to your selective memory, Cloggo

“We”? Speak for yourself, you miniature pickle farmer.

and your juggling of facts. Generally not worthy of a response.

B-b-but you already gave a response twice?

That’s a manner of saying that you have no arguments, otherwise you would use them against me. After all there is not much love lost between us, now is there Limey?

Interesting is that ghung is delusional enough that he thinks that the US can win WW3.

Well, we are going to find out the hard way.

Ghung on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 10:05 am

Another lie, Clog. I’ve never said I “think the US could win WW3”. Everyone loses as far as I’m concerned, and your pipsqueek little country would be toast.

As for me being a “limey”, I hold my liquor much better than limeys.

As for arguing, There’s no point in arguing with tar babies. Calling out your lies isn’t the same as arguing.

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 10:09 am

I’ve never said I “think the US could win WW3”.

You clearly suggest as much in your post 8:08 am.

There’s no point in arguing with tar babies. Calling out your lies isn’t the same as arguing

This is already your third post, but you still shy away from substantial arguments… because you have none.

Bitten again.

GregT on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 10:24 am

The only thing more scary than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wCwJ8pfXXo

Is the fact that the ‘deep state’ believes that after the planet has been almost completely destroyed, their messiah will come to the Earth, and together they will rule over the Goyim for a thousand years.

You just can’t make this shit up……….

Ghung on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 10:34 am

“You clearly suggest as much in your post 8:08 am.”

Another lie. I said no such thing.

Apneaman on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 10:47 am

Old dutch is so self important and paranoid he thinks the US empire gives a shit about his “revealing” of someone’s jew background.

OMFG talk about flattering one’s self. Paranoid schizoid conspiracy tard.

Do you actually think anyone believes your tall tales old dutch?

Yesterday you were an a physicist, today you’re the Dutch, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden all rolled up in one. Ooooo the empire trembles in fear of agent 00-retard (license to spill) exposing their nefarious secrets.

I guess it’s not really your fault.

The Dutch famine and schizophrenia spectrum disorders.

“We have conducted several studies guided by the hypothesis that prenatal micronutrient deficiencies can cause neurodevelopmental schizophrenia or related personality disorders. In this paper we shall summarize our previous work and combine the outcome data of the different studies. Early prenatal famine was found to be specifically and robustly associated with each of three conditions: (1) congenital anomalies of the central nervous system, (2) schizophrenia, and (3) schizophrenia spectrum personality disorders.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9708024

Funny, over 70 years later I have to suffer the consequences of a successful military/humanitarian mission my grandparents and other ancestors hard earned tax dollars paid for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 11:01 am

Do you actually think anyone believes your tall tales old dutch?

Indeed not the hardcore NWO gang of three: ghung, you and boat.

But there are others of whom I would not be so sure if I were you. But I am not going to embarrass them by naming them. Breaking with pc thinking is not for the faint-hearted and requires a spine… and a brain, commodities sorely lacking in your system.

Funny, over 70 years later I have to suffer the consequences of a successful military/humanitarian mission my grandparents and other ancestors hard earned tax dollars paid for.

You meant that action where British colony Canada added Holland to the US empire, in order to let it become multiculturalised? Expect no gratitude from me. I won’t piss on their graves, but if it had been up to me they had stayed at home, rather than letting themselves being send into a war on behalf of American em… oligarchs.

There is no difference between Western Europe 1945 and Syria 2016. Just items on the kosher to-do list.

Except that the US has dug itself into a hole from which there is no escape. And we all know that since 2003 everything went wrong for the imperialists. Hopefully Trump can defuse the time bomb, if not the grand-scale depopulation program, so popular on this board, can begin.

Why don’t you go ordering flowers to welcome these Chinese soldiers who can sail unhindered into Hongcouver harbor, Friday?

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/65/6510/6VT6100Z/posters/english-robinson-crusoe-and-friday.jpg

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 11:06 am

ghung tries: Another lie. I said no such thing.

There we go again.

I said: “You can’t win wars with a divided country.”

Your response: Yeah? The US was divided prior to WWII. Just sayin’.

The US clearly won WW2, in other words you suggest that the US can win again, despite being divided then and now.

Q.E.D.

Ghung on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 11:19 am

In other words, I called you out on another lie, regardless of how you warp and spin it.

The pitiful old fool, in his own mind, has no choice but to lie about others in an attempt to bring them down to his level. It’s no wonder he supports the soon-to-be-loser, Trump. Cut from the same foul cloth.

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:19 pm

In other words, I called you out on another lie, regardless of how you warp and spin it.

Just read slowly my post from 11:06 am and verify that at times ghung can be very economically with the truth.

It’s no wonder he supports the soon-to-be-loser, Trump.

I am by far not the only Trump supporter here, so don’t think you own this forum, little commie Englaender warmonger.

You support Clinton, meaning you support war, WW3, in the hope to realize your “One World, No Borders” nightmare.

Already know what you are going to cook for the misses, when she returns home after a hard days work? Let me guess, backed pickles, just like the rest of the week?

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:23 pm

Russia says that Moscow has capacity to shelter its population for full 100% in underground facilities against nuclear attack:

http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/politics/30-09-2016/135749-moscow_nuclear_war-0/

Does anybody know if similar facilities are available for Washington and Manhattan?

Apneaman on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:31 pm

Old dutch, why would that matter? So they could live one, sick week longer.

I’ve spent my life chewing up old dutch and shitting it out.

http://cdn3.volusion.com/6f3m2.t4xnq/v/vspfiles/photos/olddutch001-8.jpg?1341708442

Cloggie on Thu, 13th Oct 2016 12:52 pm

There are still Hiroshima survivors alive who had no shelter, so why this one magical week time frame?

P.S. normal people stop eating potato chips beyond 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9prH-od5fs