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Will Russia and China Hold Their Fire Until War Is the Only Alternative?
Obama’s September 24 speech at the UN is the most absurd thing I have heard in my entire life. It is absolutely amazing that the president of the United States would stand before the entire world and tell what everyone knows are blatant lies while simultaneously demonstrating Washington’s double standards and belief that Washington alone, because the US is exceptional and indispensable, has the right to violate all law.
It is even more amazing that every person present did not get up and walk out of the assembly.
The diplomats of the world actually sat there and listened to blatant lies from the world’s worst terrorist. They even clapped their approval.
The rest of the speech was just utter bullshit: “We stand at a crossroads,” “signposts of progress,” “reduced chance of war between major powers,” “hundreds of millions lifted from poverty,” and while ebola ravages Africa “we’ve learned how to cure disease and harness the power of the wind and the sun.” We are now God. “We” is comprised of the “exceptional people”–Americans. No one else counts. “We” are it.
It is impossible to pick the most absurd statement in Obama’s speech or the most outrageous lie. Is it this one? “Russian aggression in Europe recalls the days when large nations trampled small ones in pursuit of territorial ambition.”
Or is it this one? “After the people of Ukraine mobilized popular protests and calls for reform, their corrupt president fled. Against the will of the government in Kiev, Crimea was annexed. Russia poured arms into eastern Ukraine, fueling violent separatists and a conflict that has killed thousands. When a civilian airliner was shot down from areas that these proxies controlled, they refused to allow access to the crash for days. When Ukraine started to reassert control over its territory, Russia gave up the pretense of merely supporting the separatists, and moved troops across the border.”
The entire world knows that Washington overthrew the elected Ukrainian government, that Washington refuses to release its satellite photos of the destruction of the Malaysian airliner, that Ukraine refuses to release its air traffic control instructions to the airliner, that Washington has prevented a real investigation of the airliner’s destruction, that European experts on the scene have testified that both sides of the airliner’s cockpit demonstrate machine gun fire, an indication that the airliner was shot down by the Ukrainian jets that were following it. Indeed, there has been no explanation why Ukrainian jets were close on the heels of an airliner directed by Ukrainian air traffic control.
The entire world knows that if Russia had territorial ambitions, when the Russian military defeated the American trained and supplied Georgian army that attacked South Ossetia, Russia would have kept Georgia and reincorporated it within Russia where it resided for centuries.
Notice that it is not aggression when Washington bombs and invades seven countries in 13 years without a declaration of war. Aggression occurs when Russia accepts the petition of Crimeans who voted 97 percent in favor of reuniting with Russia where Crimea resided for centuries before Khrushchev attached it to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country.
And the entire world knows that, as the separatist leader of the Donetsk Republic said, “If Russian military units were fighting with us, the news would not be the fall of Mariupol but the fall of Kiev and Lviv.”
Which is “the cancer of violent extremism”–ISIS which cut off the heads of four journalists, or Washington which has bombed seven countries in the 21st century murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians and displacing millions?
Who is the worst terrorist–ISIS, a group that is redrawing the artificial boundaries created by British and French colonialists, or Washington with its Wolfowitz Doctrine, the basis of US foreign policy, which declares Washington’s dominant objective to be US hegemony over the world?
ISIS is the creation of Washington. ISIS consists of the jihadists Washington used to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and then sent to Syria to overthrow Assad. If ISIS is a “network of death,” a “brand of evil” with which negotiation is impossible as Obama declares, it is a network of death created by the Obama regime itself. If ISIS poses the threat that Obama claims, how can the regime that created the threat be credible in leading the fight against it?
Obama never mentioned in his speech the central problem that the world faces. That problem is Washington’s inability to accept the existence of strong independent countries such as Russia and China. The neoconservative Wolfowitz Doctrine commits the United States to maintaining its status as the sole Unipower. This task requires Washington “to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.” A “hostile power” is any country that has sufficient power or influence to be able to limit Washington’s exercise of power.
The Wolfowitz Doctrine explicitly targets Russia: “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere.” A “rival” is defined as any country capable of defending its interests or those of allies against Washington’s hegemony.
In his speech, Obama told Russia and China that they can be part of Washington’s world order on the condition that they accept Washington’s hegemony and do not interfere in any way with Washington’s control. When Obama tells Russia that the US will cooperate with Russia “if Russia changes course,” Obama means that Moscow must accept the primacy of Washington’s interest over Russia’s own interest.
Clearly, this is an inflexible and unrealistic position. If Washington keeps to it, war with Russia and China will ensue.
Obama told China that Washington intended to continue to be a Pacific power in China’s sphere of influence, “promoting peace, stability, and the free flow of commerce among nations” by building new US air and naval bases from the Philippines to Vietnam so that Washington can control the flow of resources in the South China Sea and cut off China at will.
As far as I can tell, neither the Russian nor Chinese governments understand the seriousness of the threat that Washington represents. Washington’s claim to world hegemony seems too farfetched to Russia and China to be real. But it is very real.
By refusing to take the threat seriously, Russia and China have not responded in ways that would bring an end to the threat without the necessity of war.
For example, the Russian government could most likely destroy NATO by responding to sanctions imposed by Washington and the EU by informing European governments that Russia does not sell natural gas to members of NATO. Instead of using this power, Russia has foolishly allowed the EU to accumulate record amounts of stored natural gas to see homes and industry through the coming winter.
Has Russia sold out its national interests for money?
Much of Washington’s power and financial hegemony rests on the role of the US dollar as world reserve currency. Russia and China have been slow, even negligent from the standpoint of defending their sovereignty, to take advantage of opportunities to undermine this pillar of Washington’s power. For example, the BRICS’ talk of abandoning the dollar payments system has been more talk than action. Russia doesn’t even require Washington’s European puppet states to pay for Russian natural gas in rubles.
One might think that a country such as Russia experiencing such extreme hostility and demonization from the West would at least use the gas sales to support its own currency instead of Washington’s dollar. If the Russian government is going to continue to support the economies of European countries hostile to Russia and to prevent the European peoples from freezing during the coming winter, shouldn’t Russia in exchange for this extraordinary subsidy to its enemies at least arrange to support its own currency by demanding payment in rubles? Unfortunately for Russia, Russia is infected with Western trained neoliberal economists who represent Western, not Russian, interests.
When the West sees such extraordinary weakness on the part of the Russian government, Obama knows he can go to the UN and tell the most blatant lies about Russia with no cost whatsoever to the US or Europe. Russian inaction subsidizes Russia’s demonization.
China has been no more successful than Russia in using its opportunities to destabilize Washington. For example, it is a known fact, as Dave Kranzler and I have repeatedly demonstrated, that the Federal Reserve uses its bullion bank agents to knock down the gold price in order to protect the dollar’s value from the Federal Reserve’s policies. The method used is for the bullion banks to drive down the gold price with enormous amounts of naked shorts during periods of low or nonexistent volume.
China or Russia or both could take advantage of this tactic by purchasing every naked short sold plus all covered shorts, if any, and demanding delivery instead of settling the contracts in cash. Neither New York Comex nor the London market could make delivery, and the system would implode. The consequence of the failure to deliver possibly could be catastrophic for the Western financial system, but in the least it would demonstrate the corrupt nature of Western financial institutions.
Or China could deal a more lethal blow. Choosing a time of heightened concern or disruptions in US financial markets, China could dump its trillion dollar plus holdings of US treasuries, or indeed all its holdings of US financial instruments, on the market. The Federal Reserve and the US Treasury could try to stabilize the prices of US financial instruments by creating money with which to purchase the bonds and other instruments. This money creation would increase concern about the dollar’s value, and at that point China could dump the trillion dollars plus it receives from its bond sales on the exchange market. The Federal Reserve cannot print foreign currencies with which to buy up the dollars. The dollar’s exchange value would collapse and with it the dollar’s use as world reserve currency. The US would become just another broke country unable to pay for its imports.
Possibly, Washington could get Japan and the European Central Bank to print enough yen and euros to buy up the dumped dollars. However, the likelihood is that this would bring down the yen and euro along with the dollar.
Flight would occur into the Chinese and Russian currencies, and financial hegemony would depart the West.
By their restraint, Russia and China enable Washington’s attack upon them. Last week Washington put thousands of its NGO operatives into the Moscow streets protesting “Putin’s war against Ukraine.” Foolishly, Russia has permitted foreign interests to buy up its newspapers, and these interests continually denounce Putin and the Russian government to their Russian readers.
Did Russia sell its soul and communication system for dollars? Did a few oligarchs sell out Russia for Swiss and London bank deposits?
Both Russia and China have Muslim populations among whom the CIA operates encouraging disassociation, rebellion, and violence. Washington intends to break up the Russian Federation into smaller, weaker countries that could not stand in the way of Washington’s hegemony. Russian and Chinese fear of discord among their own Muslim populations have caused both governments to make the extremely serious strategic mistake of aligning with Washington against ISIS and with Washington’s policy of protecting Washington’s status quo in the Muslim world.
If Russia and China understood the deadly threat that Washington presents, both governments would operate according to the time honored principle that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Russia and China would arm ISIS with surface to air missiles to bring down the American planes and with military intelligence in order to achieve an American defeat. With defeat would come the overthrow of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Egypt and all of the American puppet rulers in the area. Washington would lose control over oil, and the petro-dollar would be history. It is extraordinary that instead Russia and China are working to protect Washington’s control over the Middle East and the petro-dollar.
China is subject to a variety of attacks. The Rockefeller Foundation creates American agents in Chinese universities, or so I am informed by Chinese academics. American companies that locate in China create Chinese boards on which they place the relatives of local and regional party officials. This shifts loyalty from the central government to the American money. Moreover, China has many economists educated in the US who are imbued with the neoliberal economics that represents Washington’s interests.
Both Russia and China have significant percentages of their populations who wish to be western. The failure of communism in both countries and the success of American cold war propaganda have created loyalties to America in place of their own governments. In Russia they go by the designation “Atlanticist Integrationists.” They are Russians who wish to be integrated into the West. I know less about the Chinese counterpart, but among youth Western materialism and lack of sexual restraint is appealing.
The inability of the Russian and Chinese governments to come to terms with the threat posed to their existence as sovereign countries by the neoconservative insistence on American world hegemony makes nuclear war more likely. If Russia and China catch on too late in the game, their only alternative will be war or submission to Washington’s hegemony. As there is no possibility of the US and NATO invading and occupying Russia and China, the war would be nuclear.
To avoid this war, which, as so many experts have shown, would terminate life on earth, the Russian and Chinese governments must soon become far more realistic in their assessment of the evil that resides in what Washington has turned into the world’s worst terrorist state–the US.
It is possible that Russia, China, and the rest of the world will be saved by American economic collapse. The US economy is a house of cards. Real median family incomes are in long-term decline. Universities produce graduates with degrees and heavy debts but no jobs. The bond market is rigged by the Federal Reserve which necessitates rigging the bullion markets in order to protect the dollar. The stock market is rigged by the outpouring of money from the Federal Reserve, by the Plunge Protection Team, and by corporations repurchasing their own stock. The dollar is supported by tradition, habit, and currency swaps.
The American House of Cards continues to stand only as a result of the tolerance of the world for vast corruption and disinformation and because greed is satisfied by the money made from a rigged system.
Russia and/or China could pull down this House of Cards whenever either country or both had leadership capable of it.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. His latest book, The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West is now available.
102 Comments on "Will Russia and China Hold Their Fire Until War Is the Only Alternative?"
PrestonSturges on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:22 am
Carrying crap from Infowars detracts from this site. Zerohedge is really bad, but if this site is going to feature Infowars it might as well include crap like Canadafreepress so we can read about how the CIA is killing Obama’s gay lovers.
Ralph Perez on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:26 am
I know we were close to the abyss when Bush left the presidency…but I think the next time will be a lot worse and total caos will follow.. because our economy is very fragile..That is why I am planning to make my move to South America..I think my children will adapt well, 2 of my children speak some spanish already
loren balazs on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:33 am
Your comment about how China could deal a lethal blow to the U.S. astounds me. As an economist you seem to understand so very little about China. Can you imagine what would happen with the Chinese economy if they destroyed their biggest customer? Inbound capitol would also help destroy the Chinese economy as the Yuan would increase so much in value as to destroy their export advantage. The CCP considers domestic stability as it’s most important goal. You can’t see this for yourself that if China did what you suggested they would be brought down in domestic instability?
China should arm ISIS? Isn’t this the SAME ISIS that brought up China’s abuse in Xinjiang? You think arming ISIS would benefit China’s war against East Turkestan Separatists?
So overturning Middle Eastern countries that are aligned with the U.S. would be good for China? Where do you think China buys most of their oil? It’s the U.S. protection that makes sure China can keep their oil flowing from the Middle East.
“American companies that locate in China create Chinese boards on which they place the relatives of local and regional party officials. ” Doesn’t seem to be helping Chrysler, Microsoft, Adobe…..
“Both Russia and China have significant percentages of their populations who wish to be western. The failure of communism in both countries and the success of American cold war propaganda have created loyalties to America in place of their own governments.” This statement is so wrong about China it would be laughable if it was spoken by someone without your pedigree. Instead, I’m left speechless by the shear ignorance
“I know less about the Chinese counterpart, but among youth Western materialism and lack of sexual restraint is appealing.” OMG. News alert!. Chinese kids like pizza, fried chicken, and sex.
Let me ask you one more question. If you were Pilipino or Vietnamese, would you appreciate a country that considers water only 150 miles off your shores as belonging to China?
Ivan on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:39 am
This Paul Craigs Roberts speaks nonsense. President Obama speaks and acts with a higher level of humanity and wisdom than any Russian or Chinese leader has ever had. If more leaders in the world were like President Obama or President Mujica from Uruguay, the world would be a better place.
JuanP on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:04 am
“Foolishly, Russia has permitted foreign interests to buy up its newspapers, and these interests continually denounce Putin and the Russian government to their Russian readers.”
Not for long! Russian propaganda at RT reports that the Russian Duma has passed today a law limiting ownership in media to no more than 20% of the total stock for foreign passport holders. The law applies to all foreigners and all Russians that have foreign passports.
This is a big deal. The Russian media system has just become like the Chinese system.
Facebook, Twitter, Google, and others may be forced to register as media centers in Russia, and move all servers containing Russian info to Russian territory. Russian intelligence will be granted access.
Tom on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:10 am
Boy. What a long and boring article. I stopped reading after the first few paragraphs. Maybe there’s a Cliff’s Notes version. Keep these shorter, or else you lose people’s attention!
JuanP on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:18 am
The RT article i referred to above: http://rt.com/politics/191004-foreign-media-ownership-russia/
Another article on Obama’s UN speech: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/26/obama-rewrites-history-at-the-un/
simon on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:24 am
I think dollar is on sub looping programming, the more is hammered the more is stronger, like a steel.
It is not the dollar who controls the world, it is the policies, game chess plan, principals and you name it…..
china and russia are 50 years behind in usa,
the rest is do not fight and take care human. We are in planet of earth, and we need to use our minds and knowledge from universities to see who we are where we came from?
just be honest and enjoy life
chuck on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:32 am
this is to all the cry babies relating to not wanting to be in usa or that usa is not right. then move your ass out of our county.
I agree we should all buy American made, and union made also would help.
I also think American should start rebuilding its military and weapons up to make sure we stay the strongest in the world.
from Texas on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:43 am
Please tell us a different story. We are the only democracy in the world,obama is the president of the solar system , we get a free trip around the sun every year, the Russian women are ugly .
charles on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:46 am
wow, whomever wrote this stuff is a “whacko”
kart on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:06 am
This is the first liberal article i have come across. Corruption is a disease eating deep into our world. Those folks in Washington DC are not playing their cards well. We are in a dangerous turn of collapse, a point of no return. The worse even that they sanction any country whose economy is picking up, forgetting that we live in a global world were those situations run in turns. Perhaps, it seems it isn’t our turn yet. But, we are biting more than we can chew before everything gets ruined.
JoshuaG on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:07 am
Just wondering. Are you willing to post your (real) name?
Do you work for FOX news?
KenG on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:19 am
What’s funny to me is the total lack of concern of the costs of the conflicts the US elected by the people government keep the US citizens in and how the taxpayers go deeper in debt but those who bought our government profit. Syria like other countries were put in turmoil with CIA covert operations in the first place and getting syria’s elected president out was the main objective just like it was in Iraq, Libya and many other countries. Our US government takes out any opposition that stands in the way of those who use government to profit themselves. If anything the US is doing a good job of uniting countries that will defend and protect themselves against the US. I wonder when the rest of the world has no other choice then to step in and take the US over because of the damage the US has done to the world, how many countries will stand by the US then?
tom tran on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:29 am
Communist china will face air strike that US can used air strike for any where.Communist china want to watch and defense.That is better for disputed water.But communist china start pressure democratic in hong kong
Alain on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:45 am
Superb analysis — right on!!!
carl Groves on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:45 am
IT’S DISSAPOINTING TO SEE AN ARTICLE LIKE THIS . IT CONTAINS HALF TRUTHES. Seeing the world as I have and understanding what I’ve learned, has taught me the world looks at the US to solve it’s problems and when it disagrees with the variables it shows it’s hate. Of course the US is going to look at those situations which affect us in the worst way ,whether it be supply of oil , food or climate change. What country does not want the same. To condemn your own country with half truths and not explain what really is bothering you , like what happened to you in the 60’s is far more condemming. I don’t like many things here in the US, but ask yourself and be fair, do these other countries you talk about set a far better example of democracy and fair way of living?
GS on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:50 am
Since getting out of the damned russia some 30+ years ago I have almost completely forgotten what their propaganda looks like. The author is to be thanked for a nostalgic whiff, but now I will need deodorizers.
Davy on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:05 pm
woof woof
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bong valencia on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:22 pm
Paul Craig Roberts,
Maybe try being President of the United States, you have full of opnions, but let’s see what would you do. You’re strength as a writer is mostly on expressing your opinions, and that’s where it ends too.
jerry andre on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:34 pm
I had to read through the varying depths of input from desk-blotter to blue-water ocean to understand the great value of inviting people to speak their minds. The nameless “they” and the plotting elites cited evince for us the intellectually poor that are always with us,just the same as those materially deprived. But richness of mind is in here, too. Keeping a barf-bag handy for some comments lets me enjoy some genuine pearls that appear.
Garic on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:37 pm
article one by one as the daily and hourly on Russian TV
Garic on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:40 pm
and here the articles appeared completely identical to that constantly writes and speaks Russian media – who disburse them – quite obviously – money by Russian taxpayers
Garic on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:40 pm
and here the articles appeared completely identical to that constantly writes and speaks Russian media – who disburse them – quite obviously – money by Russian taxpayers
gary on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 12:58 pm
I am pleased to see Muslims killing each other and selling oil to pay for it.
Carry on! Our gasoline gets cheaper and cheaper. More and more of our enemies kill each other!
Hurrah!
HM on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 1:51 pm
To those people who think that moving somewhere to the southern hemisphere is going to save their lives or improve their survivability in case of a nuclear war between the United States and Russia and China, you better think again.
There is an old movie released in 1959 with Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner entitled “On the Beach.”
Yes, it’s only a movie, but its pretty accurate of what would happen to the whole world if there is a nuclear conflagration that takes place in the northern hemisphere. Nuclear radiation would eventually spread to the southern hemisphere and kill almost all life on this planet.
In the 1950s, there wasn’t any country south of the equator that was part of the cold war between Russia/China and the United States, and this was reflected in the film by initially killing off all life north of the equator, But, unfortunately, since Australia for a long time now has joined the U.S. and NATO in their fight against Russia, if a nuclear conflagration would occur today, even Australia will probably now be targeted. And, therefore, both hemispheres will be effected with radiation poisoning.
KenG on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 1:52 pm
I’m sure there’s a method to what you’re sharing which I have to admit my ignorance about. I too am in the old fart category and from life experiences I hopefully share my thoughts on issues. Putin was named Time Magazine’s ‘Person of the Year’ once and I read the interview which I found interesting. The first words that jumped out at me were ‘Russia is a patriarchal society.’ My only way to understanding this was from my role in being a father where I felt it was my role to earn the trust and respect of my family so they could feel secure with me in being responsible and accountable for the direction of the whole family. My take on Russia is that just like many times I had to be patient with outside influences taking our family in different directions that damaged the family I see Russia being patient with what goes on damaging their country. To try to fight any of that would have Russia being held hostage in defending and protecting itself. The outside influences usually destroy their own credibility in time as there is absolutely nothing any human being could feel secure about with a behavior that is not capable of earning people’s trust. It is winning by intimidation keeping people in fear. Maybe your old fart wisdom has a different take on this as I feel thankful for my ignorance in understanding your take on this issue. I strongly feel our society as a whole is the real problem because of buying into the fear without placing any demand on having people that could offer them security in life.
KenG on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 1:52 pm
I’m sure there’s a method to what you’re sharing which I have to admit my ignorance about. I too am in the old fart category and from life experiences I hopefully share my thoughts on issues. Putin was named Time Magazine’s ‘Person of the Year’ once and I read the interview which I found interesting. The first words that jumped out at me were ‘Russia is a patriarchal society.’ My only way to understanding this was from my role in being a father where I felt it was my role to earn the trust and respect of my family so they could feel secure with me in being responsible and accountable for the direction of the whole family. My take on Russia is that just like many times I had to be patient with outside influences taking our family in different directions that damaged the family I see Russia being patient with what goes on damaging their country. To try to fight any of that would have Russia being held hostage in defending and protecting itself. The outside influences usually destroy their own credibility in time as there is absolutely nothing any human being could feel secure about with a behavior that is not capable of earning people’s trust. It is winning by intimidation keeping people in fear. Maybe your old fart wisdom has a different take on this as I feel thankful for my ignorance in understanding your take on this issue. I strongly feel our society as a whole is the real problem because of buying into the fear without placing any demand on having people that could offer them security in life.
Stelios T on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 1:55 pm
Although there’s more than an element of truth to “imperial Washington”, and certainly Russia has been over-demonized by the US for trying to protect against the dangers of the EuroMaidan coup, I cannot agree that anyone should support ISIS, a murderous, thoroughly uncivilized, tyrannical throwback to days that should be forever gone. By going to extremes in his anti-US agitation, the author of this article loses his credibility.
tom collins on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 2:30 pm
This is exactly the reason the world acts as it does towards the United States. They listen to speeches and know it is all bullshit. All these countries want is money. Stop the money and the relationship dissolves. This way of dealing with America has been made much worse with the election of Obama. A man with no political and forge in affairs experience. A man who wants to decrease the military while speaking of fighting terrorists. The same man who cannot even stop the flood of illegals coming to the US from Mexico. If he cannot stop women and children how is he supposed to stop countries that are our military equal? Answer he can’t. Imagine giving pink slips to officers and enlisted while stationed in Afghanistan. And failing to take action to find out the truth about Benghazi and FAst and Furious. Which in both instances Americans died in the service of their country.
David on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 3:33 pm
I agree with many points in this article and do admire PCR and his work. Clearly the BS was hip deep in the speech and it is also pretty clear Russia has no territorial ambitions. However China is different IMHO. I live in Asia and have seen China act as the “bad neighbor” in many cases. They have tried to “steal” islands from Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines. I think analysis of the two situations (China and Russia) would be better served with two different articles
DanBar on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 4:36 pm
Ivan, pls don’t make me choose between PGR and Obama. Both nuts.
Davy, loved u until you railed on crusty old farts of which i am probably one. Absolutes rarely correct. Stay open to truth.
LorBal: Luved ur rebuttals. Do more. Was in China 5 years in 90’s and thankfully the kids liked pizza and sex then too. Marco Polo also observed that Chinese woman liked to have sex with his men.
Brian Dobbs on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 5:29 pm
this article brought to you by the KGB and idiots.
Davy on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 5:55 pm
Dan, I am a crusty old fart. I am in my 50’s and having been way too hard on my body and mind in my youth. Sorry, if I offended you. The expat in the Philippines fits the description of the grandpa that grandkids squawk about when they have to go visit cranky, smelly, and crusty old grandpa. I want to do another clarification, like Marco Polo’s men, I find the Chinese girls hot. So folks when I blast the Chinese keep it in perspective. My China bashing is more a counterbalance to the barking expat in the P’s. I am also an avid reader of Taoism and drink cold brewed Chinese green tea daily. I mention this because the expat dog has accused me of China hating. One other mention and that is there is an expat in Paris and he is ranked very high on my list here on this PO board and his call sign is Gav.
Just An Observer on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 6:22 pm
Sino-Russian propaganda POV, hold the onions please…LOL! Someone resurrected the voice of Joe Goebbels. Let the old Nazi propaganda minister lay in peace puh-leeze.
peter Majewski on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 7:20 pm
Who is this retort that wrote this article. Obviously a traitor to this great country, and someone who belongs in communist Russia!
I confess, I did not read the whole article because the first few paragraphs made my blood boil and decided the rest was not worth the waist of my time.
How someone can blatantly deny the truth is either blind, ignorant or both. In this case I think both!
The author of this article doesn’t have a clue what the meaning of the word truth is. Typical Russian
lexphi on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 8:39 pm
Obama’s speech at the U.N. tells us that for Sanctions on Russia to be lifted depends on Putin changing course in Ukraine.Meaning as long as Russia is supporting separatists in Ukraine, sanctions will stay.But we know Russia is strong enough to withstand these economic sanctions. Besides,Russia if she wants to, can always stop the flow of gas to the European Union at any given time. I think Russia must do it during winter for Europe to feel the pinch. Otherwise Russia should stop saber rattling criticizing the U.S. moves in the Middle East re: containment of the ISIS.Comments coming from Russia are always tagging China as partner against the U.S. But little did Russia knew China’s economy is intertwined with that of the U.S. China can’t just extract its economic relationship with the U.S. by Putin’s whim and caprices without hurting China’s own economy.Putin’s ambition of leading a new world order would certainly fail without the all-out support of China. But will China compromise its economic gains by aligning itself with Russia? That’s a big question. The Russian Duma if true that its not a puppet of Putin should advise the Russian leadership to peacefully co-exist with its neighbors and the rest of the world for them to enjoy life to the fullest and never go back to the cold war era which has long been dismantled with the approval of the Devine Providence.
Jeremy on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:31 pm
American global dominance may well be the goal, but you just can’t give russia that kind of free pass. Seriously, no one is better at manipulating facts and outright lying to their own people than Russia.
And on top of it all, this came from Infowars… an organization with about as much journalistic legitimacy as the Onion
Thomas on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 9:53 pm
Ignorance is bliss, no? If you have an issue with our country America, just leave. Apparently you have given up on trying to change anything and just taken to the keyboard to express your opinion instead, by bashing our government. That opinion that you express so freely is a right allowed by many people who came before you. So, respect it and spread facts, not his hyperbole. If you sympathize with Russia, and truly believe this abhorrent stuff, then go live with Snowden. Heard Siberia’s nice this time of year.
Bob Kay on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 10:29 pm
Who the hell is this guy Paul Roberts?? He is worse than a Russian troll. He says exactly what the lying mother of all liars Putin would want him to say. this guy must be one of the real KGB guys. They are good, anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-European. Don’t believe a word this guy spits out. He is fantasy land.
handy on Sat, 27th Sep 2014 11:51 pm
This article is a lie itself, and something I expect to find in Russia. Trash article full of propaganda from Putin.
Jon on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 12:57 am
Finally, a truly frank article on the United States. As we all know, there are 5 media conglomerates that control 90% of the US media and they are all sitting on the Council on Foreign Relations – which means that have to tow the line of the commander-in-chief and the US intelligence community including spreading anti-China, anti-Russia propaganda BS.
As most Americans are preoccupied by politics at the local and state level, they will gobble up whatever propaganda BS the mainstream US media will feed them on world politics.
For starters, maybe some of them may be smart enough to follow the Huffington Post or the BBC for an unprejudiced view of world politics
ennui2 on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 8:29 am
Infowars has no place on this site if it wants to be taken seriously.
lmao on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 6:07 pm
Truth hurts. I agree with the main ideas here
Crying about it wont change anything. Qatar will still want its pipeline
JuanP on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 9:26 pm
Jon “For starters, maybe some of them may be smart enough to follow the Huffington Post or the BBC for an unprejudiced view of world politics”
I can hardly suffer the BBC any more. Read it for years. Most major Western MSM outlets’ content has deteriorated significantly since 911, particularly in the last few years. Almost everything I read on Western MSM this year regarding foreign affairs, particularly Russia, Ukraine, and China ,was one sided crap.
I started reading RT and The Moscow Times in February of this year seeking to balance my propaganda sources to help me on my eternal quest for the truth. RT is pro Putin and TMT is anti Putin, but both offer a Russian perspective on the Ukrainian crisis.
It works for me. 😉
Davy on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 9:42 pm
Juan, I check out BBC superficially like several other MSM news sites and business sites. I visit very briefly just to see what is up with the natives. When you are in a doomer mode you look at the messages between the lines with MSM. I check out some of the hot chic articles on MSM too. All work and no play makes you a dull fellow so I loosen myself up. Doom can be intense. I wonder what those pretty girls are going to do when they can’t buy all the stuff they need to stay pretty. When they have to work at living not just work out. What about when they have to eat maybe dog food if things really get bad?
JuanP on Sun, 28th Sep 2014 10:14 pm
Davy LOL. There is always one thing those pretty girls can do, engage in the oldest profession of all. I used to check several news sites daily like you do, but I’ve been giving them up because they keep getting worse and I keep getting busier. Since I started reading less I’ve been posting here. I never posted comments anywhere before in my life, except four or five at TOD. I read between the lines, too. What choice do we have?
I skip the pretty girls articles, prefer outdoors stuff for pleasure and to bring balance to my life in this concrete jungle I live. But for you living on a farm alone it makes more sense. I got models and pretty girls in bikinis all around year round here.
northwestresident on Mon, 29th Sep 2014 12:31 am
JuanP — “I got models and pretty girls in bikinis all around year round here.”
Must be tough… 🙂
Davy on Mon, 29th Sep 2014 5:51 am
Juan, this is my first comment board. I used to just email family and friends but I felt that was counterproductive. They are not at our level and part of the optimistic crowd. Some agreed and acknowledged what I emailed. I felt isolated with what I felt was profoundly important topics. I am posting here now because I believe we are close to that point of profound change a paradigm change. You all are my friends and fellow soldiers of discovery. I have been enriched greatly from the support and enlightenment. Juan, my MSM review is so short as to be negligible. I feel it is important though to see what the natives are up to since we live in their world. As for the girls, my girlfriend is at my farm every weekend so I am well satisfied. It is nice to have a younger women who cooks great take care of me. Juan, you are right about Miami, some hot girls there. I would rather be on the farm though I don’t know how you can handle all those masses of people.
JuanP on Mon, 29th Sep 2014 8:42 am
NWR, Yes, having all those beautiful girls around is tough. Too much temptation, but I’ve managed to control myself so far. 😉
Davy, my friends and family didn’t take my news well, either. You guys here are the last people I am honest with. I could not replace this forum if it was lost.