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Why India-China border dispute will continue to be shaped by mutual distrust

The

tense stand-off between Chinese and Indian troops

at the Himalayan frontier, which began in early May, continues to play out following high-level military and diplomatic talks.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman

Hua Chunying on Wednesday said Beijing had reached a “positive consensus” with New Delhi

over resolving the situation, while

India

on Sunday said the two countries had agreed to “peacefully resolve” matters – but analysts do not expect this to be speedy.

After all, they say, there have been

six decades of claims and counterclaims

along the 3,488km unmarked boundary known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC), and both sides will be watching each other with suspicion.

India-China stand-off talks will focus on troops returning to ‘pre-dispute’ positions: experts
5 Jun 2020

What was the outcome of last weekend’s talks?

After a video conference last Friday, top generals from both sides met on Saturday in Chushul-Moldo, in the eastern part of Ladakh, along the LAC.

India’s Ministry of External Affairs said the four-hour discussion was cordial and positive, while Hua from China’s ministry of foreign affairs said the countries had agreed to “not turn differences into disputes”, and called the border situation stable and under control.

By Tuesday, the Indian establishment indicated through leaks to media that the situation along the LAC had improved, and the two countries had agreed to withdraw troops. These reports also indicated that they had agreed to continue engaging at the level of local military officials to resolve the dispute.

However, Indian officials have not formally confirmed these statements, and Chinese officials have remained silent.

Image: SCMP Graphics
Image: SCMP Graphics

How are both sides positioning this conflict to domestic audiences?

China has attempted to build stable relations with India since the 2017 stand-off in Doklam, where troops faced off for 73 days at the trijunction between China, India and Bhutan.

China’s President Xi Jinping

and

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi

have met for two informal summits – in Wuhan in 2018, and last year in the coastal town of Mamallapuram – at which both pledged to not let differences on trade and foreign policy turn into disputes.

But as Yun Sun, director of the China programme at the Washington-based Stimson Center, wrote in a March commentary, “distrust and hostility … run deep” for both sides given that each have “regional hegemonic ambition and potential”.

India, China’s top generals hold talks at Himalayan border amid efforts to defuse month-long stand-off
7 Jun 2020

Sun pointed out that while their efforts to address long-standing frictions could lead to more compromise, these would be more challenging in light of great-power rivalry and domestic populism.

Indeed, each side has sought to manage public opinion of the current dispute by whipping up nationalistic sentiment, similar to what happened during the 2017 stand-off.

In India, news channels have already “warned” China against any aggression, and claimed that the soldiers in the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) were reluctant fighters.

Comments from the Tibetan government-in-exile have been published in some India media, with Central Tibetan Authority President Dr Lobsang Sangay slamming Chinese aggression and calling the current situation an attempt to divert attention from China’s internal problems.

Beijing has ruled the Himalayan region since 1959, after an abortive uprising that sent Tibet’s traditional Buddhist leader, the Dalai Lama, into exile in India.

China-India border situation ‘stable and controllable’, Chinese Foreign Ministry says
There have been

reports on Chinese media about how Beijing could mobilise and deploy troops to the LAC “within hours”

, prompting India’s home minister Amit Shah to say that punishment will be meted out to anyone intruding into the country.

Last week, Chinese nationalist newspaper Global Times carried an article about military drills “for infiltration exercises behind enemy lines”.

Jayadeva Ranade – president of New Delhi think tank Centre for China Analysis and Strategy, and a former member of India’s National Security Advisory Board – said there was “growing disenchantment” with Xi over economic woes and rising unemployment amid the pandemic.

“[The stand-off] is his way of demonstrating that he is strong and tough, to retrieve his position and the hold of the Communist Party,” Ranade said.

It would help Modi’s case if the dispute was resolved soon, he said, pointing to how India is still grappling with the pandemic. Infections there are rising faster than before and the economy is in the doldrums, despite the lifting of a 10-week lockdown.

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Indian opposition leaders have needled Modi on the topic, with Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Wednesday alleging that the prime minister had “vanished from the scene” in the face of “Chinese aggression”.

Said Ranade: “This government has been fairly strong and firm on issues of territory and national sovereignty. I don’t think they can withdraw from that. The public won’t be forgiving if we yield ground.”

Long Xingchun, president of the Chengdu Institute of World Affairs, an independent think tank based in China’s southwest, said the Modi government’s moves were a means of redirecting scrutiny away from economic pressures and the criticism it has faced for its handling of the

Covid-19 pandemic

.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Photo: AP
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Photo: AP

What are the geopolitical factors at play?

B.R. Deepak, professor of Chinese and China Studies at New Delhi’s Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the relationship between China and India will be shaped by India-United States ties. Beijing and Washington are in the midst of a deepening clash over issues ranging from trade to China’s handling of the pandemic, while India, alarmed by China’s expansion of maritime power in the Indian Ocean, has sought to ally itself more closely with Washington.

“The current cold war between the US and China is going to continue to play out. If India puts its neck out and aligns with the US, Chinese belligerence towards it will only increase,” Deepak said.

China using border tensions to warn India not to side with US: ex-foreign secretary Shyam Saran
1 Jun 2020

Last month, top US diplomat Alice Wells accused Beijing of trying to “shift what is the status quo” and urged India to “resist Chinese aggression”. US President Donald Trump then said he could mediate what he described as a “raging border dispute”, an offer both India and China rejected.

Meanwhile, New Delhi has reached out to Moscow to apprise it of the border situation, according to Indian media. Observers say this is an attempt by India to draw global support for its case and build diplomatic pressure on China.

Nepal, which has grown closer to China, and with whom India is also involved in a territorial dispute – after Kathmandu last month published new maps that showed in its territory areas claimed by New Delhi – has not commented on the issue.

Both India and China have rejected US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate the border dispute. Photo: Bloomberg
Both India and China have rejected US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate the border dispute. Photo: Bloomberg

So what will happen next?

Analysts like Deepak of Jawaharlal Nehru University believe this current dispute is likely to be drawn out and contentious, since China is unlikely to withdraw from its advance positions in a hurry.

“The Chinese hold the upper hand right now, so they are unlikely to withdraw unless they get concessions like asking India to halt border construction,” Deepak said. “[Beijing] could also ask India not to hinder bilateral trade, and warn it against joining the US-led global bandwagon against China.”

Long of the Chengdu Institute of World Affairs said China’s consistent policy had been to resolve the Sino-Indian conflict in a peaceful manner, and to maintain the status quo until a resolution was reached.

Sources said the two sides had adopted a two-pronged strategy, which would see high-level military exchanges continue while talks were held at the local level to resolve disputes at individual flashpoints along the LAC.

One such local-level meeting is likely to be held on Wednesday, with more likely to follow, they said.

Ranade, the former bureaucrat, said the stand-off “won’t recede from New Delhi’s memory for a very long time”.

“Did they want to test us or were they preparing for something bigger?” he said. “These questions will remain.”

Long said New Delhi needed to realise that open support from the US and goodwill from Australia and other countries would “only raise the cost of confrontation between India and China”.

“Given the relative military strengths of the two countries, India will not be able to garner any advantage in the event of a large-scale armed conflict between the two sides,” Long added.

Additional reporting by Maria Siow

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This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Distrust will continue to shape India-China border row


59 Comments on "Why India-China border dispute will continue to be shaped by mutual distrust"

  1. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 8:28 am 

    An all-out war between China and India is physically impossible.

    As Orwell predicted, in the multi-polar world of “1984”, there are no all-out wars, only border skirmishes. An all-out war between A & B would only benefit C & D.

    Expect clashes over the Channel, in the Himalaya between India and China, in Kashmir between India and Pakistan, at the Amur river between China and Russia, near the Bosporus between PBM and Turkey, etc.

    But that’s it.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/which-future-world/

  2. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 10:11 am 

    once again we see muzzie lovin’ india failing to learn the lesson from china and amputate all their indian muzzies starting with muzzie imams.

    With that space cleared they can split kashmire

  3. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 10:13 am 

    I don’t like china
    they act like (((supertards))) and nazis at the same time. but i’m not a sinophobe like supertard madcat said

    I’m a pragmatist, I like china’s policy of amputating all their muzies starting with muzzie imams

  4. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 10:47 am 

    muzzie FGM NASTY father is dead. us navy gona retreieve carcass to bury muzie as a muzzie at sea but it’s not a muzzie.

    muzzie saw daughter picture and refused to talk to FGM NASTY who may go inner struggle and then congress would be screwed.

    as a dhimmi non person according to muzie doctrine i’ll celebrate every dead muzzie anyday

  5. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 10:50 am 

    muzzie went to battel against one another in france using rifles

    How Chechen gangs issued a Europe-wide call for vengeance over beating of 16-year-old boy that sparked four days of urban warfare with Arab gangs in Dijon

  6. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 10:53 am 

    Trump DOL Throws 401k Investors To The Wolves
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardsiedle/2020/06/13/dol-throws-401k-investors-to-the-wolves/#22417de47edd
    (Its Forbes, which is usually down on its knees giving the Fat Boy some pleasure—-)

  7. The Idiot from South America on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:31 am 

    Deport the juanPee, the asshole!

    CONVICT-19 said muzzie went to battel against one another in fran…

    CONVICT-19 said muzzie FGM NASTY father is dead. us navy gona ret…

    CONVICT-19 said I don’t like china they act like (((supertar…

    CONVICT-19 said once again we see muzzie lovin’ india failin…

    CONVICT-19 muzzie humour said [many nazi divisions converged on bastogne] whitey…

  8. JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:37 am 

    “Trump DOL Throws 401k Investors To The Wolves”

    Dumb Duncan, what is the point of your comment? Can’t you spit it out? Give us some verbiage.

  9. Lunatic Davy on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:37 am 

    The Idiot from South America on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:31 am

    Widdle Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:31 am

  10. More from Lunatic Davy on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:38 am 

    JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:37 am

  11. Fact checker on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:51 am 

    Idiot juanPee, you don’t have a bug out place in SA and you didn’t built a bunker. More lies from the lunatic. You are here 20/7 live from you cheap ugly condo in Miami Beach full of asshole and idiots just like you. Fuuke you, son of a whore

    https://peakoil.com/forums/post1452032.html#p1452032

    Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 22
    by REAL Green » Tue 16 Jun 2020, 11:47:33
    JuanP wrote:
    jedrider wrote:Yes, Southern hemisphere might be best.

    I think droughts and heat probably make Australia a bad choice as a bug out location, too, though Tazmania might be okay. New Zealand may be the best bug out location in the world, IMO. If Uruguay was an island it would probably be as good, too. Mega droughts and safety are my two biggest concerns when thinking about bugging out to Uruguay. I built concrete underground cisterns at my place and have long shelf life food supplies, too. Our little cabin is a monolithic reinforced concrete structure with a basement/bunker.

    “Extreme waves set to get bigger and more frequent due to climate change”
    https://phys.org/news/2020-06-extreme-b … imate.html

    “A warming planet will cause stronger storm winds triggering larger and more frequent extreme waves over the next 80 years, with largest increases shown in the Southern Ocean, according to new research… The study found that if global emissions are not curbed there will be an increase of up to 10 percent in the frequency and magnitude of extreme waves in extensive ocean regions… “Around 290 million people across the world already live in regions where there is a one percent probability of flood every year,” Professor Young said. “An increase in the risk of extreme wave events may be catastrophic, as larger and more frequent storms will cause more flooding and coastline erosion.” University of Melbourne Postdoctoral Fellow in Ocean Wave Modelling and lead researcher Alberto Meucci said the study shows that the Southern Ocean region is significantly more prone to extreme wave increases with potential impact to Australian, Pacific and South American coastlines by the end of 21st century.”

  12. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 12:44 pm 

    Are you serious about that holiday? It’s not over. Serious danger of second wave:

    “Beijing residents are rounded up and put in quarantine as the city goes back into lockdown and new travel bans are introduced to stop new ‘extremely severe’ coronavirus outbreak”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8425311/China-reimposes-travel-restrictions-amid-fresh-outbreak.html

  13. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 12:49 pm 

    due to a lot of pushbacks and triggering, i declare muzzie FGM NASTY muzzie father saint

    his title is “the lover” (of muzzies). he’s a dead muzzie and muzzies only love muzzies by muzzie law wal bara al bara.

    i talked to whitey superteard president trump and he said us navy will bury muzzie carcass at sea according to muzzie customs but it’s not a muzzie.

    facepalm

    the us navy then blow up muzzie carcas with the biggest mine they have and sprayed with machine guns for an hour. Then takes the bits remain and mix with groudn pork

    then burry muzzie at sea according to muzzie customs but it’s not a muzzie.

    i’m a dhimmi non person according to muzzie law and i want to have fun when muzzies are dead

  14. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 12:53 pm 

    muzzie FGM NASTY father muzziei is second muzzie catholic saint

    This is as per accelerated approval of whitey fathertard president pope saint Francis who is a muzzie lover

    the first muzzie catholic saint is Ahmaud “muzzie” Arbery (absolutely not mentioned anywhere to be a muzzie)

  15. More from Davy the Lunatic - AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:01 pm 

    Fact checker on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:51 am

  16. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:51 pm 

    braking news

    CONVICT-19 cases now numbered 25,000,000,000,000 in USA due to reopening of ecnony may (((supremetard))) bless us all.

    muzie lovin india refused to learn from china and amputate all their muzzies starting with muzie imams

    result: 70,000,000,000 indian soldiers dead
    77,444,000,000 chinise soldiers dead

  17. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:53 pm 

    shoe company trusted muzie accountant
    got fleeced

  18. Silence is an admission of guilt on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:56 pm 

    More from Davy the Lunatic – AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:01 pm

    Fact checker on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 11:51 am

    IOW zero juAn is a liar

  19. Deport and ban on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:57 pm 

    The fucker

  20. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 2:49 pm 

    100 million menacing muzzies in india
    the exteremly bloodly parttion of india was supposed to solve that.

    all non muzzies are wiped off pakistan and banghadest

    but muzie numbers grew in india

    and they’re fighting with china who amputated all their muzzies starting with muzzie imams?

    stupid dotheads

  21. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 2:50 pm 

    they won’t amputate their muzzies starting with muzzie imams

    instead they externalize their costs to america and western countries and only hire their own kind

  22. Richard Guenette on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 2:59 pm 

    The coronavirus is still spreading across the globe. The lockdowns should be reinstated to prevent transmission between people.

  23. Davy on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 3:59 pm 

    Dijon is no longer under French control.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1272615613190615040

    ISCResearch
    @ISCResearch
    ·

    “It seems Arab gangs have declared the French city of Dijon as their own State of war in France, caused by immigrants — meanwhile the MSM is fantasize of (white) racism.”

  24. Davy on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 4:04 pm 

    In other EurasiaUp news:

    “India Confirms 20 Soldiers Killed In Border Clash With Chinese Forces; Reports Of 43 PLA Casualties”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-confirms-20-soldiers-killed-kashmir-clash-chinese-forces-reports-43-pla

    “In an official follow-up statement, the Indian Army now says as of Tuesday evening local time that an additional seventeen soldiers were critically injured in the exchange of fire, and since succumbed to their wounds after being “exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain.” This brings the official Indian death toll to 20 soldiers killed. With the whole incident still shrouded in contradictory claims and lack of confirmation on potential Chinese casualties from Beijing – even after widespread unverified Indian media reports claimed that up to 43 Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) were killed or injured in the clashes, one thing is for sure — that this is the biggest and deadliest border clash between the nuclear-armed neighbors in a half-century.”

  25. Richard Guenette on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 4:31 pm 

    The worst organized crime group is the CIA.

  26. Anonymouse on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 4:48 pm 

    The worst organized slime group is Delusional davy, and his gang of stupid sock puppets.

  27. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 4:53 pm 

    “Dijon is no longer under French control.“

    Don’t be ridiculous. There is a gang fight going on between Arabs and Chechens. Let them murder each other, the more the better.

    Once US society will go into full meltdown, these immigrant suckers in France and elsewhere will be dealt with with little ceremony.

  28. More from Davy the Lunatic AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 5:47 pm 

    Silence is an admission of guilt on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:56 pm

    Deport and ban on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:57 pm

  29. zero juan the liar on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:05 pm 

    “More from Davy the Lunatic AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 5:47 pm
    Silence is an admission of guilt on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:56 pm Deport and ban on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 1:57 pm”

    Spit it out asshole, did you or did you not teach 10000’s of Japanese women yoga….FOOL

  30. JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:07 pm 

    Moderated side:

    Re: The Green New Deal and the Growth of Renewables

    by JuanP » Sat 02 May 2020, 17:50:52

    I had the pleasure of working with hundreds of young Japanese, mostly women, when I helped train Yoga teachers. I helped train thousands of teachers from all over the world over a handful of years. I would interact with them 6 days a week from sunrise to sunset for 8 consecutive weeks. I found the experience absolutely fascinating. The Japanese were always the best students, with a discipline, perseverance, and willpower that set them apart from the rest. One of the most surprising things was, that while all the other students from all over the world were having a lot of sex in spite of the fact that it was forbidden, the Japanese never, ever did. I brought this up with many of them, and realized they simply had no interest or curiosity regarding sex; I found this fascinating. The Japanese young are the most asexual group of people I have ever met.
    Only Americans can hurt America.

  31. JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:19 pm 

    “The worst organized slime group is Delusional davy, and his gang of stupid sock puppets.”

    You stupid fuck,I am the sock queen!

  32. More JuanP Derangement from Davy the Lunatic AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:26 pm 

    zero juan the liar on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:05 pm

    JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:07 pm

    JuanP on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:19 pm

  33. FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:58 pm 

    Van hell-clog

    White Dutch broadly receptive of BLM protests; Concerns over social distancing

    “While nearly two-thirds of white Dutch residents (63 percent) commiserate with the ongoing anti-racism protests in the Netherlands, a larger majority (73 percent) voice concern over social distancing guidelines being ignored. This is according to the results of an EenVandaag Opinion Panel survey on Monday in which some 33,600 Netherlands residents with white skin color were asked about their views on the recent protests.”

    https://nltimes.nl/2020/06/15/white-dutch-broadly-receptive-blm-protests-concerns-social-distancing

    Watch again: Protesters in Amsterdam gather in support of Black Lives Matter movement

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/10/watch-live-protesters-in-amsterdam-gather-in-support-of-black-lives-matter-movement

    The white Dutch are just so progressive & immigrant/multicultural loving…..same as most white people in most white countries. The fantasy of the white men of violence rising up and cleansing the country of non whites (while you remain safely at home on your keyboard pretending to be expert on all) is just another of your long running failed predictions. That happens when your predictions are nothing but your poorly disguised hope = desire+expectation.

  34. zero juan on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 7:08 pm 

    This is a know juanPee sock:

    FamousDrScanlon on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 6:58 pm

  35. More JuanP Derangement from Davy the Lunatic AKA Pink Poodle on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 7:16 pm 

    zero juan on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 7:08 pm

  36. Dennis on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 7:31 pm 

    Does this undermine BRICS?

  37. makati1 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 7:55 pm 

    Dennis, no, it seems to just be an ongoing dispute, nothing serious. China-India trade rules the connection, among other things. The US is losing out all over the world.

    “Bilateral trade between China and India touched US$89.6 billion in 2017–18, with the trade deficit widening to US$62.9 billion in China’s favor. In 2017, the volume of bilateral trade between India & China stands at US$84.5 billion.” WIKI

    The US WAS India’s major trade partner for a short while but, I think the flu has changed all of US trade to a smaller amount in the future. There was only a 5% difference between The US and China’s trade with India.

  38. CONVICT-19 on Tue, 16th Jun 2020 8:06 pm 

    Supertard theedruch
    Thank for using low English
    Low English is pet project of mine

  39. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 1:49 am 

    “The white Dutch are just so progressive & immigrant/multicultural loving”

    Really? In 2002 the Netherlands would have had the first populist prime minister of the entire western world, were he not killed by a leftist, 2 weeks before the elections:

    https://www.spreekbuis.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/telegraaf.jpg

    “2020: 65% Dutch wants immigration to be limited”

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2107687974/enquete-65-van-nederlanders-wil-inperking-immigratie

    “The fantasy of the white men of violence rising up and cleansing the country of non whites”

    Civil wars do happen, also in white lands: Yugoslavia, Ukraine. In Europe multicult will be ended on the very day the gruesome pictures will come in from North-America and its CW2.

    “NLTimes” is an insignificant, globalist, Anglo-friendly, mini-CNN-rag.

    These darkies are not really the problem, they represent a military-non-entity. The real enemy is “FamousDrScanlon” and the rest of the Anglo-water carriers of uncle Schmull and their media and dollar. But now, thanks to Brexit and Trump, we (Eurasia) have you in the cross-hairs.

    Now even Bill Maher fears CW2:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/cw2-brewing/

    Doesn’t look good at all for the cause of globalism/US-empire. I would not sell you a life insurance,”FamousDrScanlon”.

  40. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 2:19 am 

    “Man punches woman, 92, in the face and sends her crashing into a fire hydrant in random attack on a Manhattan street”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8427245/Man-pushes-elderly-woman-92-ground-NYC-appears-hit-head-fire-hydrant.html

    Precisely what we in continental Europe want to see happening: the complete erasure of the idea that it is a good idea to mix Europeans and Africans/Muslims. Here a 92-year old member of the Anglo “Greatest Generation” bites the dust. Obviously a black-on-white hate crime. More of those! They will achieve what French, Russian or Chinese nukes could never achieve: a complete meltdown of Anglo society and the opportunity for Eurasia to terminate 2 Anglo centuries and take the empire apart, Europe-1945 style. Sick the Dems and Reps war parties against each other, just like gloating Americans sicked British and Poles against the Germans in 1939:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/bullitt-reveals-in-april-1939-that-war-has-been-decided-upon/

    People like “FamousDrScanlon” soon won’t be gloating anymore. These bubble-gum poppers soon will learn what hard-core suffering is, the sort of suffering they have spread around the world for nearly a century. No pity, just iron determination. We’ve got them in front of our flint.

  41. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 3:14 am 

    How every American supermarket will look like “after the police will have been defunded”:

    https://twitter.com/no_silenced/status/1272359799028514816

    Black woman in despair about the future. She should be. Currently she is “still in”. The alternative for her will be “Haiti-2.0” and her Black Privilege (being tolerated in white lands) will end for ever. Her tears won’t change that.

    This oil tanker can’t be stopped. Shifting demographics inevitably will do its work and lead to a break-up.

  42. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 3:21 am 

    “The white Dutch are just so progressive & immigrant/multicultural loving…..same as most white people in most white countries.”

    More leftie ”FamousDrScanlon” lying debunked:

    https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1272526250238791683

    A new poll shows 76% of Canadians want total immigration ban.

    Not that they are going to get it. You see, Canada is not a democracy, but a colony of the US oligarchy, after the latter took it over from the British after 1945.

  43. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 5:42 am 

    Some more EurasiaUP news:

    “Indian PM Narendra Modi Breaks Silence After Deadly Border Skirmish With China”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/indian-pm-narendra-modi-breaks-silence-after-deadly-border-skirmish-china

    “After maintaining a disquieting silence for more than 24 hours, Indian PM Narendra Modi delivered his first statement since the deadly border clash between Indian and Chinese forces that left 20 Indian soldiers dead. India will not let the sacrifice made by its soldiers go waste, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said. India will protect its territory and integrity, before adding that India is “culturally a peaceful nation and has cooperated with neighboring countries: Modi wants to ensure the country that India’s integrity and sovereignty are top priorities for us, and nobody can stop India from protecting it. India will protect the country’s land and its integrity, Modi say. The opposition Congress Party, led by Rahul Gandhi, the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi political family, has repeatedly slammed the prime minister over his silence, and posited it as part of a pattern of weakness shown during previous border spats (which seem to be happening more and more under Modi’s Hindu Nationalist government).”

  44. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 5:46 am 

    Along the southern border of EuropeUP:
    “Turkey’s Big Bet Has Put Libya In Center Of A Global Power Struggle”
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/06/15/turkeys-big-bet-has-put-libya-in-center-of-a-global-power-struggle/
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkeys-big-bet-has-put-libya-center-global-power-struggle

    “The series of debilitating military setbacks that Libya’s renegade general Khalifa Haftar suffered in recent months have spurred diplomatic activities over the conflict in the country. But the war is far from over. Haftar’s dream of capturing Tripoli from the internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) led by Prime Minister Fayez al-Sarraj has been dashed. Haftar’s Libyan National Army (LNA) has retreated from several cities northwest of Tripoli, near the border with Tunisia, as well as the al-Watiya airbase, a strategic asset southwest of the capital. A comeback by Haftar can only take place in the fullness of time and that too, if his mentors – France, Egypt, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Saudi Arabia and Russia – repose confidence in him still. Haftar seems to have overreached, and the present setback dents his credibility. Egypt reacted swiftly by getting Haftar and Aguila Saleh Issa, the head of the Tobruk-based House of Representatives – the third protagonist in the Libyan strife – over to Cairo for a patch-up, following which, on June 6, Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi announced a grandiose roadmap called the Cairo Declaration to end the Libyan conflict. The Cairo Declaration envisages a ceasefire starting June 8 (which didn’t happen) followed by “disbanding militias, handing over their arms, pulling out foreign forces, electing a ruling presidential council representing all Libyans and drafting of a constitutional declaration to regulate elections for later stages.”

  45. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 5:49 am 

    “The Enemy Within: A Story Of The Purge Of American Intelligence”
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/14/enemy-within-story-purge-american-intelligence/
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/enemy-within-story-purge-american-intelligence

    “Western Europe has only 20 to 30 more years of democracy left in it; after that it will slide, engineless and rudderless, under the surrounding sea of dictatorship, and whether the dictation comes from a politburo or a junta will not make that much difference.” – Willy Brandt (German Federal Chancellor, right before he stepped down in 1974) Believe it or not, but the dystopic view that democracy is dead is by no measure a new idea. However, what might disturb you is where this design, in its contemporary form, really germinated from. The idea that democracy is in a crisis and needs to be replaced with a new form of “governance” did not originate from the outcries of an oppressed people demanding their rights to a decent life. We are not presently seeing an organic, grassroots process in reforming how government, that is, democracy will be “improved” upon. Rather, what we are seeing is a controlled disintegration of the very thing we think we are trying to uphold, and this destruction has been in the works for over 45 years. It is no coincidence that Samuel P. Huntington is very fond of the Willy Brandt quote “prophesising” the end of democracy (which was used at the beginning of both his books ‘The Crisis of Democracy’ and ‘Disaffected Democracies’), that is after all his purpose in life…to see to it that that prophecy comes true. In this paper I will go through how the Henry Kissinger crew successfully purged the last significant remnants of decency within the CIA and reshaped the government structure into the Deep State that we see it grotesquely throbbing as today.”

  46. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 6:05 am 

    “Nuclear Warhead Reductions Continue Despite Global Tensions”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nuclear-warhead-reductions-continue-despite-global-tensions
    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/3653.jpeg

    “The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) has released new data showing that the collective number of nuclear warheads has fallen slightly from 13,865 in early 2019 to 13,400 in January 2020. That decrease, as Statista’s Niall McCarthy notes, has occurred at a time of heightened global tension and SIPRI reported that the nine states possessing nuclear warheads are actively modernizing their stockpiles. For example, China is developing a triad involving land, sea and aerial delivery systems, Russia is pursuing the development of hypersonic weapons and both India and Pakistan are slowly increasing the size and diversity of their nuclear forces…Russia and the U.S. possess more than 90 percent of the world’s nuclear warheads and the recent decline in the global inventory can be attributed to the retirement and dismantlement of weapons in both countries. That is primarily due to the 2010 New START Treaty which is set to expire early next year unless both parties agree to extend it. Negotiations have made no progress, primarily due to the U.S. government insisting China joins any future arms reduction agreement, a move Beijing has ruled out.”

  47. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 6:11 am 

    “Harvard Professor: “Defunding The Police Is Not A Solution And Could Cost Thousands Of Black Lives”
    https://summit.news/2020/06/16/harvard-professor-defunding-the-police-is-not-a-solution-and-could-cost-thousands-of-black-lives/
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/harvard-professor-defunding-police-not-solution-and-could-cost-thousands-black-lives

    “A Harvard university Professor has urged that defunding the police would cause more loss of life, citing figures showing that there are “450 excess homicides per year” when police are not able to do their jobs proficiently. “Defunding the police is not a solution and could cost thousands of black lives,” professor Roland Fryer wrote in an email to the College Fix. Fryer has recently authored a research paper titled “Policing the Police: The Impact of “Pattern-or-Practice Investigations on Crime,” noting that police are less present when ‘viral incidents’ occur, meaning crime, including homicides increase… a lot. “Our estimates suggest that investigating police departments after viral incidents of police violence is responsible for approximately 450 excess homicides per year” the paper reads. “This is 2x the loss of life in the line of duty for the US Military in a year, 12.6x the annual loss of life due to school shootings, and 3x the loss of life due to lynchings between 1882 and 1901 – the most gruesome years.” it also notes. “If the price of policing increases, officers are rational to retreat,” the study concludes, adding “And, retreating disproportionately costs black lives. Fryer has slammed the media for an “absolute refusal to grapple with the data” and says that there has been an “insistence” among journalists that he should not publicize his findings. Previously, Fryer published research concerning racial disparities in police shootings. His 2016 paper concluded that officers were more likely to shoot at white suspects than they were with black suspects, indicating little to no racial bias. “In officer-involved shootings in these cities, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white,” Fryer’s paper read. “Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias,” Fryer also noted. Rather than defunding police, Fryer argues that community policing should increase, reasoning that this way officers can make more accurate distinctions between people when they have more frequent, non-confrontational interactions with them. The professor also suggests that investment should go toward “new technologies for police officers that allow them to do their jobs, safely, without lethal force against anyone.”

  48. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 6:47 am 

    “Senate Panel Approves Funds For Live Nuclear Testing “If Necessary””
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-panel-approves-funds-live-nuclear-testing-if-necessary

    “On Monday multiple reports confirmed that under an amendment by hawkish Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, $10 million is to be set aside in preparation for live nuclear testing. In May a senior Trump admin official told The Washington Post the idea of a US test is “very much an ongoing conversation.” But internal White House discussions have reportedly resulted in severe pushback though Trump is said to favor new tests. Critics cite global proliferation concerns, also as multiple weapons treaties with Russia have lately collapsed after US pullout (such as the INF, Open Skies, and now even New START is said to be in danger), as well as the potential door opening to a new dangerous ‘nuclear arms race’ with China and Russia.”

  49. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 7:05 am 

    “Weaponization Of Food: Starvation To Manufacture Compliance”
    https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/weaponization-of-food-starvation-to-manufacture-compliance_06152020
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/weaponization-food-starvation-manufacture-compliance

    “The L.A. Times reported that “coronavirus outbreaks” at 60 food processing plants will be the cause of the supply chains breaking, and an inability to get food to store shelves. Prepare for a food shortage, as it looks like they will attempt to use hunger and food as a weapon in this game for your mind. This is the horrible reality of participation in centralization and not being able to be self-reliant. The New World Order doesn’t care if you starve, it cares only that you bow down and consent to a life of enslavement. And they are weaponizing the food system and using COVID-19 as an excuse.“

  50. Davy on Wed, 17th Jun 2020 7:13 am 

    “Ron Paul: Is The “Second Wave” Another COVID-19 Hoax?”

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/june/15/is-the-second-wave-another-coronavirus-hoax/
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ron-paul-second-wave-another-covid-19-hoax

    “Just a week or so ago the mainstream media and thousands representing the “medical community” told us we must throw out the “stay-at-home” orders and go to the streets to protest the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police. The Covid-19 virus will not bother people who are protesting this injustice, they said. The virus only attacks people leaving their homes to protest the stay-at-home orders. Now, after thousands of businesses – many of them black-owned – have been reduced to rubble and innocent people in the inner cities no longer have anywhere to shop for the basic necessities of life, the mainstream media has backed off of its non-stop coverage of the protests. Suddenly last week they all simultaneously embraced a new fear story to terrify the masses: a “second wave” of coronavirus was among us. It was targeting those states that dared to “open up” their economies and begin a return to relatively normal lives. The same people who were demanding more testing are now screaming that we must shut the economy down again because these tests – which are notoriously unreliable – are showing more coronavirus cases. This is a disease that 99.9 percent of the people who are infected with survive! But 40 million people out of work and the thousands of lives that will end due to the shutdown are never mentioned.”

    “There is something else going on here and it is in no way related to public health.”

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