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What point in growth?

Public Policy

In a capitalist society, economic growth is all important.  Why?  Because the underlying force in all societies is the growth of population.  With rare exceptions, mankind has not found a solution to stopping population growth.  (Think of China, which tried to encourage its people to have only one child.  This did not work).  If population continues to grow, and the old part of population continues to grow, there is a need for the economy to expand to meet the needs of the population.  Capitalism lauds itself on its ability to meet those needs.  But most of the growth goes to the 1%, and therefore most of the population suffers, and the need for growth goes on.

The projections are that world population growth will stop at around 10.9 billion in the year 2100, with population in Japan and Korea declining in the years 2020 and 2031.  The decline will be due to fewer children and an increase in deaths, as the increase in life expectancy slows dramatically.  But with the younger population growth slowing. It will become more and more difficult to sustain the older population.  And with economic growth going to a limited part of the society, the needs of the less wealthy population with continue to suffer.

The guiding principle of the capitalist society is that free enterprise provides motivation for work and investment.  At the same time, it also provides motivation for greed, cheating, and a raft of other negative things.  Those who support capitalism would argue that those negative things would exist in any society and therefore one can ignore them in favor of the positive aspects of more work and investment.  The point of this article is to argue to the contrary.

Greed, cheating, and those other negative parts of the social fabric comes in part from need for material objects and in part for the need for celebration and power within the society.  For example, why does a rich person need a yacht?  Part of it is the enjoyment of operating the object and part of it is because ownership of a yacht establishes that the owner should be socially admired.  The same is true of an automobile like a Rolls-Royce as opposed to an ordinary Honda.  The latter will do almost everything that the expensive car will do, but there is a certain joy in owning and operating the Rolls, and in large part this has to do with the public recognition bestowed upon the owner.

So the answer I seek is how to motivate work and investment without leading to greed, cheating and other negative aspects such as income inequality (which is basically the product of greed)?  And it seems to me that the answer is to detach celebration and power within the society from wealth (that is, from the amassing of material objects, so that the material objects can be better shared within the society).

First, as a society, we need to decide how to award celebration and power.  For example, we want technological inventions.  Those who create those inventions are rewarded with money, which basically means material wealth, celebration and power in our society.  We should maintain the idea of celebration, and we should add a direct connection to power.  In other words, if you invent something that will help the society, your name should go on public communication and you should be given the right to decide important things.  (We should get rid of politicians as such and reward political positions and power to those who create things for all or us).  In return, we should take most if not all of the material benefits of the invention throughout the society, either by using them to create things of benefit to the society or by spreading the benefit among the people within the society.

I believe that if everyone in the society benefits from the skills, work and investment of all, this won’t stop people from working or investing – so long as celebration and power go foremost to those who create the benefits.

Put in simple terms, if you invent the automobile, your wealth will go both to creating automobiles for all, and (for example) to creating free education of all.  You will get an automobile the same as everyone else.  The automobile might be named after you to celebrate your achievement.  And you will be given political power because of what you have done.  Because the wealth is spread, there will be no Rolls-Royces, yet everyone can have the advantage of a car.

(Personally, I would rather not see cars but see a truly enhanced public transportation system, as it is more efficient.  I think that those who create for the benefit of the society would see that, too, and would use their power for that purpose rather than individual cars).

It seems to me, too, that making the spreading of wealth the goal of society, along with working to making less population another goal, would result in greater happiness for all of us.  Creating less population will be difficult, as simply having fewer children will make the production of goods and services for all more difficult.  But certainly, it can be done if we put our minds to it.  We should remove the idea that God requires that we have children.  That is an idea from antiquity, and it led to making abortion illegal.  Children enhance our society, but so do seniors in good health.  We should also remove the idea of mandatory retirement, and work on ways so that seniors can continue to contribute to society.  And we should also devise ways so that work is satisfying and celebrated, and where the good works receive awards and can participate in decision-making and political power.

nation of change



172 Comments on "What point in growth?"

  1. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 2:43 pm 

    Mak, be careful you have a storm coming your way, love.

    https://www.metoc.navy.mil/jtwc/products/wp1920.gif

  2. zero juan on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 2:44 pm 

    Ppee, everyone knows it is you:

    zero davy said Ppee poo davy, it must suck having your chain pull…

    REAL Green said Davy, please stop being childish.

  3. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 2:45 pm 

    juan, my monkey and I are in the shower in case it gets bad.

  4. REAL Green on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 2:58 pm 

    Davy, are goat and us are always in the shower even in case it gets bad. and wak doesn’t even have a monkey.

    stupid

  5. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 3:02 pm 

    wak, be careful you have a storm coming your way,

    love you,
    Davy

    https://www.metoc.navy.mil/jtwc/products/wp1920.gif

  6. zero davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 3:04 pm 

    daVveepoo, everyone knows it is you:

    zero davy said Ppee poo davy, it must suck having your chain pull…
    REAL Green said Davy, please stop being childish.

  7. Davy’s Mother on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 3:27 pm 

    Davy, get your lazy ass off of the couch, out of the basement, and get your chores done. And take your imaginary friends with you.

    I am not going to ask you again.

  8. zero juan on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 3:53 pm 

    The lunatic is mad as hell! Awesome!!

    Davy’s Mother said Davy, get your lazy ass off of the couch, out of t…
    zero davy said daVveepoo, everyone knows it is you: zero davy sai…
    Davy said wak, be careful you have a storm coming your way,…
    REAL Green said Davy, are goat and us are always in the shower eve…

  9. REAL Green on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 4:07 pm 

    We best listen to her this time Davy. She sounds real pissed.

  10. zero juan on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 4:41 pm 

    widdle juan, everyone knows its you, stupid. You really are a dumb immigrant.

    REAL Green said We best listen to her this time Davy. She sounds r…

  11. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:21 pm 

    For the record. I am the real JuanP and I haven’t posted a single comment here since before Valentine’s Day. I’ve moved on to greener pastures. I would recommend you all do the same. Reading the comments here or posting something is a complete waste of your lives. This website is fucked beyond redemption. Move on, guys!

  12. the board on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:22 pm 

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass lunatic!

  13. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:25 pm 

    For the record. I am the real JuanP and I haven’t posted a single comment here since before Valentine’s Day. I’ve moved on to greener pastures. I would recommend you all do the same. Reading the comments here or posting something is a complete waste of your lives. This website is fucked beyond redemption. Move on, guys!

  14. zero davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:27 pm 

    widdle davy, everyone knows its you, stupid. You really are a dumb redneck hillbilly.

    REAL Green said We best listen to her this time Davy. She sounds r…

  15. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:31 pm 

    I see a lot of stuff posed in my name since yesterday and in the middle of the night here.

    Yes, there is a storm off the coast that is a signal one here. means a rainy and gusty day, but nothing more. We are in the rainy season so it rains every day. Either a shower or a t-storm. Not news.

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-235.60,10.38,1104

    A good day to catch up on indoor chores. ^_^

  16. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:35 pm 

    Mak, I am sorry, things get a little out of hand here when I troll

  17. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:36 pm 

    ^_^

  18. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 5:37 pm 

    For those who would like to see where the Jet Stream is today…

    US — https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-75.87,43.42,533

    EU — https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=33.44,36.55,533

    Ps — https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=116.74,16.97,533

    It never touches us, so the weather is similar all year.

  19. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:08 pm 

    Mak, I am sorry, things get a little out of hand here when I sock

  20. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:24 pm 

    Mak, what is you monkey’s name?

  21. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:25 pm 

    I have a gerbil that sleeps in my pants at night. Does your monkey sleep with you?

  22. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:25 pm 

    Davy, get help soon! It’s free in Missory.

  23. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:27 pm 

    My friends name is Bojangles. He is a good kisser.

  24. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:28 pm 

    @_@

  25. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:34 pm 

    Wak doesn’t have a monkey JuanP. But we have a goat. It lives with us in are one room shack.

  26. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:39 pm 

    Mak, I love monkeys and gerbils becuae they are so kind to me. Nobody else is nice to me because I am a weirdo

    @_@

  27. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:40 pm 

    Juan, you spelt because rong again!

    ^_^

  28. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:41 pm 

    Mak, get help soon it is free in the P’s

  29. REAL Green on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:57 pm 

    Are we having fun davy?

    lunatic

  30. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 6:58 pm 

    Are you idiots being paid to post junk on PO?

    My last real post was about Davy getting help. Now I am off for the day.

  31. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:07 pm 

    Mak, like I said psychological help is free in the P’s so take advantage of it. I have been going here in Miami but it’s not doing anything. I am permanently flawed.

  32. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:08 pm 

    @!@

  33. Bojangles on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:10 pm 

    Come back to bed, mak, I miss you

  34. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:34 pm 

    My vagina smells REAL Bad.

  35. REAL Green on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:36 pm 

    It’s not a vagina davy. Were usin it the rong weigh.

  36. Bojangles on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:43 pm 

    Juan, I hear You swing both ways. Can we Talk?

  37. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:45 pm 

    You don’t get to say if it’s a vagina or not RG. If I say it’s a vagina then it is.

    Cuntface

  38. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:45 pm 

    ?_?

  39. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:46 pm 

    Bo, my boy is boneyjoe

  40. makati1 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:47 pm 

    Juan, knock it off

  41. REAL Green on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:48 pm 

    “Juan, I hear You swing both ways. Can we Talk?”

    We tryed that all ready davy. Juan just came all over are face and in are mouth.

  42. JaunP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 7:58 pm 

    Mak, I miss the old times when it was you and I

  43. JuanP on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 8:00 pm 

    &_&

  44. Davy on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 8:19 pm 

    That’s why were known as the boreds cuntface RG.

    slurp slurp slurp…

  45. LANA i love you supertard kat we all love you its like a slow motion car carsh and you cant escape it because youre in a lucid dream except tis is real life supertard kat i mean youre going to be stapped down and injected muzz-19 on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 8:58 pm 

    remmeber phils is gratest 3rd world you kept telling us who knew now you’re first in line for muzz-19 which has corpious amount of dropout-19 semen

    muzz-19 is as always a sentinel, once the body identifies muzz-19 the battle is over and your body is victorious over convict-19

    similarly ww2 and ww1 were fought by a couple of planes, once the enemy is sigghted the battles are over. this is regardless of stroop strenght tactics, etc.

    reality is my assessement that you’ll croak since your old bod is depleted of stem cells that and your immunity is on a balance. a small push over the edge and you’ll croak

    you’ll croak soon supertard kat so we love u. have eaternal peace en paca requiest cast

  46. LANA only master race chink can handle master cult muzz on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 10:46 pm 

    Thousands of boys are kept in chains, tortured and abused in Islamic schools across Sudan – with younger children raped by older students, investigation reveals

    all hail master race chinese. please help unle sam harvest all our muzzz

  47. LANA any croaks from MUZZ-19 in 3rd world ohils will be reported as convict-19 death in western media so get MUZZ-19 soon and often supertard kat on Mon, 19th Oct 2020 11:54 pm 

    We love you supertard kat

    Muzz-19 will be loaded with DROPOUT-19 semen

  48. zero davy on Tue, 20th Oct 2020 12:43 am 

    LANA has been outed as another delusional dumbass davy sock. LOFAO!

  49. zero juan on Tue, 20th Oct 2020 4:08 am 

    Posts are down from the lunatic JuanP now that he is being nuetered regularly. Cry uncle dumbfuck and I will spare you the indignity. Stupid! LMFAO @ the Fool

    zero davy said LANA has been outed as another delusional dumbass…

    LANA France moves to expel 231 jihadis after jihad murder of teacher who showed Muhammad cartoons said I’ll buy these muzz 10 cents amputated and 5…

    LANA any croaks from MUZZ-19 in 3rd world ohils will be reported as convict-19 death in western media so get MUZZ-19 soon and often supertard kat said We love you supertard kat Muzz-19 will be loaded w…

    LANA only master race chink can handle master cult muzz said Thousands of boys are kept in chains, tortured and…

    LANA i love you supertard kat we all love you its like a slow motion car carsh and you cant escape it because youre in a lucid dream except tis is real life supertard kat i mean youre going to be stapped down and injected muzz-19 said remmeber phils is gratest 3rd world you kept telli…

    Davy said That’s why were known as the boreds cuntface RG. s…

  50. JuanP on Tue, 20th Oct 2020 5:35 am 

    For the record. I am the real JuanP and I haven’t posted a single comment here since yesterday. I’ve moved on because of my chronic depression. I would recommend you all do the same. Reading the comments here or posting something is a complete waste of your lives. That was my goal. I wanted to take this site down and I achieved it by injecting mental illness. This website is fucked beyond redemption. Move on, guys! Fuck you

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