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West tries to force Russia from Ukraine, endgame elusive

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As Western leaders congratulate themselves for their speedy and severe responses to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, they’re also scratching their heads with uncertainty about what their actions will accomplish.

The U.S., NATO and the European Union have focused on strangling Russia’s economy and arming Ukrainian fighters. But it’s unclear how this will stop the war. No one knows what President Vladimir Putin is thinking, but there’s no reason to believe that even the toughest measures will shatter his determination to force the Western-leaning former Soviet republic back into Moscow’s orbit.

They may not say it publicly, but U.S. officials and their NATO allies don’t see a breaking point for Putin — either an economic toll so severe or battlefield losses so devastating — that would convince him to order his troops home and allow Ukraine’s leaders to govern in peace.

“Ukraine will never be a victory for Putin,” Biden said as he announced a U.S. ban on Russian energy imports on Tuesday. But Ukraine might not be a complete defeat for Putin either.

The sanctions and military aid may have been effective in slowing the Russian advance in Ukraine and perhaps discouraging Putin from targeting other countries. They may serve as a warning for other powerful countries tempted to target weaker neighbors. But Western officials have been vague about how the actions will end the fighting.

One of the most direct answers came from the third-ranking U.S. diplomat, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland. She said Tuesday that internal, rather than external, pressure on Putin will be more effective.

“The way this conflict will end is when Putin realizes that this adventure has put his own leadership standing at risk with his own military, with his own people,” she testified before Congress. “He will have to change course, or the Russian people take matters into their own hands.”

A more provocative remark came from Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who called for the Russian people to assassinate Putin. The White House quickly distanced itself from that comment.

In fact, there is no sign yet that his grip on power has loosened. There’s also the frightening uncertainty about how a nuclear-armed Putin, if cornered, would respond to a genuine threat to his power if one were to arise.

And no one is counting on an outright military victory by Ukraine. While Ukrainian fighters have put up a remarkable defense and are determined to fight for as long as Russian forces remain on their soil, they are badly outgunned and would be hard-pressed to push Russian troops back across the border. Meanwhile, NATO nations aren’t about to risk triggering World War III by joining the fight in defense of a non-member state.

Against this backdrop, a diplomatic solution appears unlikely. Russia has only hardened its demands since launching the invasion last month and attempts at diplomacy by French, Israeli and Turkish leaders have thus far proven fruitless. The top U.S. and Russian diplomats aren’t even talking to each other and recent lower-level communications have focused almost entirely on the expulsions of diplomats from their two countries.

“Nobody knows how this is going to end and it’s going to take some time to see how the Russians decide to react to the obvious dead-end that they’ve got themselves into,” said Jeff Rathke, a European expert and president of the American Institute for Contemporary German Studies at Johns Hopkins University.

“Until the Russians are ready to negotiate something serious and real, there’s not much you can do,” he said. He added that the U.S. and Europe should resist the temptation to negotiate themselves with Putin over Ukraine, especially as the economic costs of isolating Moscow mount, particularly in Europe. “The endgame has to be decided by the Ukrainians in terms of what they will accept,” he said.

“I can’t see this ending in any way good for Ukraine as long as Putin is in power,” said Ian Kelly, a retired U.S. diplomat and former ambassador to Georgia who now teaches international relations at Northwestern University. “He’s put out his maximalist goal, which is basically surrender, and that’s something the Ukrainians aren’t going to be able to accept and the Russians are not going to be able to implement.”

“Withdrawal for him is death. It’s too weak,” Kelly said.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken acknowledged the limits of the West’s ability to end the conflict.

“What we’re looking at is whether or not President Putin will decide to try to finally cut the losses that he’s inflicted on himself and inflicted on the Russian people. We can’t decide that for him,” he said Wednesday.

Appearing beside Blinken, British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss suggested the Western response may go beyond hopes of getting Russia out of Ukraine.

“Putin must fail,” she said. “We know from history that aggressors only understand one thing, and that is strength. We know that if we don’t do enough now, other aggressors around the world will be emboldened. And we know that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, there will be terrible implications for European and global security.”

With the uncertainty, U.S. officials have said they are convinced of only one thing: that an angry and frustrated Putin will pour more troops and firepower into Ukraine and the bloodshed will get worse before the situation approaches any return to normalcy.

CIA Director William Burns, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, told lawmakers this week he believes Putin has profoundly miscalculated the resistance and determination that his forces would meet from Ukrainians. He also said it may soon dawn on Putin that he will not be able to occupy Ukraine or impose a Russia-friendly regime there without facing years, if not decades, of fierce and bloody opposition.

“Where that leads, I think, is for an ugly next few weeks in which he doubles down with scant regard for civilian casualties, in which urban fighting can get even uglier,” Burns said.

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10 Comments on "West tries to force Russia from Ukraine, endgame elusive"

  1. Theedrich on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 8:29 am 

    The long-term U.S. aim is to dismember Russia. China will be next.  The immense wealth of America, a temporary accident of geography and history, is being squandered in order to attain total planetary supremacy for the Empire of Lies.  The megalomaniacs in charge of America’s war on the world are pulling out all the stops in order to achieve this goal before it is too late.

    The Ukraine chaos is only one step in this process — a bloody one, but nonetheless one only.  The leprous ghouls and depraved freaks of nature in Washington are currently waging a worldwide agit-prop war against Russia and its leader, virtue-signaling that they themselves are divinely sent rescuers of the peaceful regime they violently installed in Ukraine in 2014 and subsequently supplied with biolabs to develop biological agents for use against Russia.

    At some level of their perverted subconscious, the bipartisan bribe-ocrats realize that global exhaustion of fossil fuels and other vital resources is creeping up on the world and the Empire.  They know that the entire fantasy of universal human equality and of “sustainable development” is a lie, and that collapse is only a matter of time.  They imagine that they can postpone the inevitable by subjugating Russia and robbing it of its natural resources.  To that end, they are deploying every psychological, economic and military tool available to them, gaslighting their actions to fool and stupefy the masses, and bribing national leaders.

    They are also inundating the U.S. homeland with millions of unassimilable and undigestable aliens with their criminals and drugs, pouring out ungodly sums of money to help them overwhelm the country.  Those are sums piled on top of $trillions invented to inflict mythical green paradises and pork-filled “rescue packages” on an indigenous population already afflicted with metastasizing narcotics addictions and homelessness.  (Alien drug lords are importing fentanyl-laced cocaine and killing 285 mainly young Americans per day, with 100,000 dying in 2021.  The Biden mafia is doing nothing to stop it, but rather welcoming it.)  It is also intentionally forgotten that “entitled” American workers cannot compete in production with low-wage, highly proficient workers in China and elsewhere in World #3.

    All of the signs of civilizational decay and impending collapse are clearly visible to anyone paying attention.  Hence the sudden and unprecedented surge in economic and cultural cannibalism initiated from the top.  The masked archons of power will stop at nothing to attain global supremacy.

    Not even at thermonuclear war.

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  3. Biden’s hairplug on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 10:06 am 

    Currently fighting is concentrating around Mariupol:

    https://southfront.org/nationalist-fighters-in-mariupol-call-for-help/

    Will probably fall next week.

  4. Biden’s hairplug on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 10:18 am 

    Electoral map Ukraine in 2010, before Euro-Maidan CIA-coup:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:Другий_тур_2010_по_округах-en.png

    Maps like these suggest a potential split of the country in Greater Galicia in the West and Novorossya in the East.

    Such a development could set a precedent for similar developments in the “United” States.

    Demography is destiny.

  5. Biden’s hairplug on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 10:29 am 

    The racialization of US-politics:

    https://youtu.be/tWsVRp9q_IU

    Now how do you think this is going to end?

  6. Dredd on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 10:33 am 

    Got alarmone (How Microbes Communicate In The Tiniest Language – 3))?

  7. Biden’s hairplug on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 10:56 am 

    Electoral joke by the giverning Dutch liberak party VVD: condoms with texts like

    “Let the VVD grow”. hahaha
    “Best solution against housing shortage” hahaha

    https://twitter.com/VisserMarlou/status/1502299056953044995

    Note that the VVD let no less than 1 MILLION MIGRANTS into the country over the last 10 years, who are solely responsible for the terrible housing shortage and exploding house prices.

    The political left is already bad, but nobody is worse than these liberal money-grubbing corporate backers who want nothing but cheap hands.

  8. Biden’s hairplug on Sat, 12th Mar 2022 3:38 pm 

    So you thought Biden is borderline senile?

    Wait till you meet Kamala Harris:

    https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1502713136100438016

  9. Biden's hairplug on Sun, 13th Mar 2022 8:50 am 

    “Trump Blasts Biden & War Hawks: ‘This Could Lead to World War III’”

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/trump-blasts-biden-war-hawks-this-could-lead-to-world-war-iii/

    It probably WILL lead to WW3… because SCO has decided that the time is rife, with the US crossing the red line in Ukraine.

  10. dissident on Wed, 16th Mar 2022 9:42 pm 

    Funny seeing kid-f*cker and dictator wannabe Turdope, who is Banderite Crystia Freeland’s marionette, posing as some force against Russia. Putin could blow the whole of KKKanada away with a single fart. Turdope should worry about which Star Wars socks to wear.

    Is the Kiev coup regime at the gates of Moscow yet? The NATO media tells me that he is approaching.

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