The USS Mahan had to take evasive actions in the Straits of Hormuz today, in order to avoid an Iranian ‘fast attack’ vessel. The Mahan sounded the danger alarm, fired flares and manned their weapons, but the Iranian cowards tucked tail and scattered before reaching within 1,000 yards of the U.S. destroyer.
“Coming inbound at a high rate of speed like that and manning weapons, despite clear warnings from the ship, is obviously provocative behavior,” said one American official in describing the Iranian actions.
This is the second time in recent months that the Mahan was put on high alert due to pesky Iranian vessels. Back in January, the Mahan fired three warning shots from a .50 caliber machine gun in order to stop small Iranian vessels from harassing them.
The U.S. military said Iranian vessels harassed US warships a total of 35 times in 2016 — a 50% spike from the year prior.
During the Presidential campaign, Trump was livid over the treatment of US sailors, after a swarm of Iranian vessels seized an American riverine, blindfolded the crew, struck the US flag in exchange for an Iranian, and interrogated 10 crew members, while humiliating them on Iranian tv.
Trump said of the ordeal, “When I see pictures of them with arms up in the air and guns pointed at them, I wouldn’t exactly say that’s friendly.”
Trump added at a campaign rally, “And by the way, with Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures that our people — that they shouldn’t be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water.”
makati1 on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 5:56 pm
The gasoline is flowing in many hot spots today. Who will strike the match? Stay tuned.
Apneaman on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 6:07 pm
Content originally published at iBankCoin.com
Another, emotional button pushing, whip up the retards into a frenzy site.
eugene on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 6:21 pm
I the use of the word “cowards” spoken from a member of a nation that habitually slaughters masses of people while hiding behind Christianity, democracy and goodness. Jesus, what hypocrisy.
Oil Vampires on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 7:29 pm
Big oil needs a war more than ever and with Putin messin up the Syrian power grab and Iran having both Bear and Dragon backing leaves throwing the Saudis to the dogs more likely than not.
Ghung on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 7:47 pm
Nothing new here. I was playing tag with the Iranians (and Yemeni, etc…) in the early 80’s.
Hot fun in the Gulf, eh?
Ty on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 8:11 pm
Never mind the fact that US ships are across the world in the Persian Gulf.
Yes, that is the PERSIAN Gulf.
Not the US Gulf. Not the Gulf of Mexico.
It isn’t like the Iranian ship was in the Gulf of Mexico. Imagine how we would react if Iranian ships routinely operated anywhere near the continental US.
The level of blindness in the USA is sadly not very surprising anymore.
JuanP on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 8:42 pm
The US Navy should bring all its ships to the USA and stop making enemies around the world. The USA has more enemies every day because it won’t stop threatening, murdering, and abusing people all over the planet. The USA is today the most hated country in human history. Sooner or later they will run out of energy for this shit. It would be smarter for Americans to spend their time, energy and resources improving their country rather than destroying others. It is Americans that are destroying the USA not Iranians, Russians or Koreans. The USA is getting worse all the time and several Third World countries already provide a better life for the majority of their population than the USA does. What a fucking waste!
Anonymouse on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 10:05 pm
The uS is desperately trying to start as many major wars as they can (and cannot win), in order to deflect attention away from yet another possible uS government shutdown. But the shutdown issue, which is being swept under the rug as it were by endless uS coverage about Syria, Korea, Russia etc, is itself, only a symptom of a much larger underlying economic crisis the uS has created for itself.
As I count things, the uS is actively trying to provoke wars, or at least wars of distraction in Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Russia and Venezuela, along with less advertised incursions in Africa with varying degrees of intensity. I wonder why the uS thinks it can fight wars on 6 or more fronts when the far more competent and capable Germans had trouble managing wars on just 2.
makati1 on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 11:10 pm
“The USA is getting worse all the time and several Third World countries already provide a better life for the majority of their population than the USA does.”
JuanP, you hit the nail on the head. The U$ is dying. It is doing what all empires do when they are in decline, war. This time it WILL be nuclear. No country is going to back down if it has nukes. The only decision is when they will use them.
I see the possibility of Russia being backed into a corners and deciding on a first strike. An EMP first to kill the nerve system of the country and then the destruction of the cities. It could all be over in an hour or less and will likely happen when you are sleeping as Russia is daylight when it is night in the U$. Think about it. You have insanity running the U$, not rational people.
makati1 on Wed, 26th Apr 2017 11:29 pm
“Will Russia and China break and give in to Washington? If not, will Washington become a good world citizen for the first time in America’s history, or will Washington issue more threats, thereby convincing Russia and China that their alternative is to wait for Washington’s preemptive nuclear strike or deliver one themselves?”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-26/paul-craig-roberts-warns-trump-now-captive-deep-state
Sweet dreams Americans. Will you wake up tomorrow? LMAO
Boat on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 12:07 am
mak,
Here is how a peace could happen in one situation. If China would promise to end trade with N Korea 100 percent if they fire another missile and don’t dismantle there nuclear program. In exchange the US removes the missile sites and removes all their troops from S Korea.
If N Korea/Iran or any other Tom, dick and Harry country is allowed to threaten neighbors with nukes then dozens of other countries will want theirs.
I would put US aid to Israel on the line to dismantle nukes if China and Russia agreed to stop Irans nuclear ambitions. Barring those types of deals never expect the US to just let time run out and allow nuclear proliferation. After WWII our citizens demand better control.
Anonymouse on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 12:30 am
If China sourced all of its diplomatic advice from barely literate amerikan retards that cant add, or even communicate coherently in their own language, yea, they could do something like that bottietard. Or alternately, elephants might start regularly scheduled flights to Disneyland. Anything is possible in bottietards alternate universe I suppose. I suggest you not hold your breath while waiting for anything like that to happen in the this reality though, retard. Or do hold your breath, its not like it would do any extra
brain damage to your brain over and above what its already suffered.
GregT on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 12:50 am
Boat is the epitome of a brainwashed and indoctrinated human being, except that the vast majority of the sheeple are far more intelligent than he is.
Bottom of the human barrel. The dregs.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 2:12 am
Wow Makati, that’s a good find:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-26/paul-craig-roberts-warns-trump-now-captive-deep-state
This is the first time I hear PCR openly say that 9/11 is a scam, rather than just hinting:
When the gullible and insouciant American public [that’s you Boat] and the presstitutes who participate in the deceptions permitted the Deep State to get away with the fairy tale that a few Saudi Arabians under the direction of Osama bin Laden, but without the support of any government or intelligence agency, were able to outwit the entirety of the Western Alliance and Israel’s Mossad and deliver the greatest humiliation in history to “the world’s only superpower” by making the entirety of the US government dysfunctional on September 11, 2001, Washington learned that it could get away with anything, any illegal and treasonous act, any lie. The gullible Western populations would believe anything that they were told.
Home run, mr PCR!
A pity though that even you yourself are still under the spell of all the lies related to WW1 and most of all WW2. You can put Germany in the same list as all the other victims like Iraq, Syria and Libya. It’s just that they fought back a little harder against an overwhelming force majeure: USA, USSR, British Empire, France, Poland, Norway, Low Countries, Yugoslavia, Greece, none of whom were neutral, despite the Nuremberg lies to the contrary. The US empire, the empire of the Big Lie. And the real reason why the US has become the empire of the Big Lie is because it is run by folks for whom lying/deception is the essence of their existence. Mossad motto: “by way of deception thou shalt do war” (Hebrew:be-tahbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milkhamāh).
German war guilt, holocaust, JFK, 9/11, Iraqi WMD, Syrian chemical attacks, Ukraine and all the other Soros funded color coded revolutions, US deep state… it is all from the same kosher source.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 2:32 am
@Boat – it would indeed be a reasonable solution for Korea: unified, neutral, nuclear free, no foreign troops, capitalist.
But no regime will voluntarily abdicate, unless they are forced to by their own population and the NK regime is no exception. It is extremely difficult to see how this problem can be solved. The first condition is that the US and China agree on the future of Korea, as described above.
I would put US aid to Israel on the line to dismantle nukes if China and Russia agreed to stop Irans nuclear ambitions.
This is so terribly naive and shows that you have no clue who runs Washington. In theory it is more likely that an Israeli order for the US to nuclear disarm will succeed than that a US order for Israel to nuclear disarm will succeed. Not that Israel will ever order the US to disarm, because the US is their tool, as it has been (for International Jewry, thank Henry Ford) for a century now.
Ariel Sharon, 2001, Israeli radio:
“Don’t worry about American pressure, we control America.”
“Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 3:06 am
So let me get this Strait in a Hormuzian kind of way…
The USS Mayhem is peacefully minding its own business in Iranian territorial waters and all of a sudden a tiny Iranian boat shows up and begins to trail said USS Mayhem. And what happens next is…
but the Iranian cowards tucked tail and scattered before reaching within 1,000 yards of the U.S. destroyer.
So, in order to avoid being labeled a US certified coward, you have to put your tiny little boat in front of the canons of a huge US destroyer.
What’s happening with ZeroHedge anyway? Normally they post material skeptical in regards to the NWO. What is this neocon garbage all of a sudden.
ZeroHedge is a one man operation, run by a Bulgarian Jew named Daniel Ivandjiiski (“Tyler Durden”) with a criminal record, due to financial fraud (insider trading by FINRA in 2008). What else is new with these people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
makati1 on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 6:09 am
Cloggie, I would bet next months SS that, if the U$ pulled ALL of it’s military and other covert ‘security’ forces back into U$ waters and homeland, and stopped meddling in the affairs of other countries, peace would break out all over the world. But that will not happen until the collapse of the system that feeds the war mongers. I hope it happen s tomorrow, but…
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 6:14 am
Yes Mak, unfortunately Empires do not fall gracefully and the US is not either
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:24 am
The USSR went pretty gracefully. I don’t think the world, not to mention the Americans themselves, will have so much luck in the case of the US.
There is one giant difference between the USSR-1991 and USA-2017: in the former case a certain group of people had left the building by around 1975, where that same group (working title “The Swamp”) is still in power in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:28 am
Yes good point Clog, the swamp has not been drained yet haha
Davy on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:54 am
Too bad Europe is looking like the first hollow giant to fall. It is possible the US will be the last man standing much to the chagrin of anti-American extremist here. Even if the US is not the last man standing, a US collapse will precipitate a global collapse. Grandiose nationalistic dreams abound on this board and show little connection to the reality of a global world.
Ghung on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 9:15 am
Cloggo: “So let me get this Strait in a Hormuzian kind of way…
The USS Mayhem is peacefully minding its own business in Iranian territorial waters and all of a sudden a tiny Iranian boat shows up and begins to trail said USS Mayhem.”
As usual, in full bullshit spin mode, Cloggo doesn’t get it straight. But he’s never served aboard a war vessel in the Straits of Hormuz, has he? And he wasn’t there to witness this incident, was he?
What a putz.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 9:36 am
As usual, in full bullshit spin mode, Cloggo doesn’t get it straight. But he’s never served aboard a war vessel in the Straits of Hormuz, has he? And he wasn’t there to witness this incident, was he?
But you are in the possession of the full truth, eh?
Why not enlighten us? No?
https://twitter.com/RussiaInsider/status/857587421327663105/photo/1
Ghung on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 9:54 am
The full truth is that the Straits of Hormuz is a critical international shipping lane that ships, even warships, from many nations, travel every day. The international shipping lanes are well defined and are not “Iranian territorial waters” as you said. US captains are under strict orders to maintain those shipping lanes.
Secondly, as I alluded to above, smaller/faster gun boats from Iran and other countries have been playing cat-and-mouse games with US warships in the Straits for decades. We were once mooned by an Iranian sailor as we warned their boat off; we mooned him back. Since floating around the seas maintaining trade for everyone is generally boring, we used to enjoy these encounters. Judging from the big smiles on the Iranians faces, they were having fun as well.
That said, considering the risk of terrorists in boats full of explosives, if these boats get too close, US skippers have authority to take defensive action. The Iranians know this, as does everybody else. As soon as they detect fire control radar, they go scooting off, hooting and hollering.
A fine time was had by all!
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 10:07 am
I’m glad that you and your Iranian buddies had such a great time together.
Is there any evidence that the Iranians are hindering international trade shipping, like the Somali hijackers do.
Never heard of it.
This map claims that there is no open water in the Strait of Hormuz, too narrow:
http://temi.repubblica.it/UserFiles/limes-heartland/Image/Maps/The_Hormuz_game500.jpg
And while we are at it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
To traverse the Strait, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Although not all countries have ratified the convention, most countries, including the U.S., accept these customary navigation rules as codified in the Convention.
Apparently you made this up:
The international shipping lanes are well defined and are not “Iranian territorial waters” as you said. US captains are under strict orders to maintain those shipping lanes.
Complete BS: the Strait is both Omanian and Iranian; there are no strict “international shipping lanes”.
But Ghung opines that the world belongs to the US, although he doesn’t have the nerve to openly admit it.
Ghung on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 10:33 am
Did I say “that the world belongs to the US”?
Another Cloggie lie.
Technically, Oman, the UAE and Iran all can claim the Straits as their “territorial waters”. Defacto international rules apply, as they do in many places. If you want to challenge that the US has long played the role of ensuring that vessels have access to the Gulf, you would lose that argument. Indeed Oman and UAE have as much right to allow the US to enforce free access to all as Iran has the right to claim the Straits as their own. Might makes right in this case.
If not the US, who will prevent one or another country from closing the Straits? Ask your own government, Cloggo. I saw many Dutch-flagged ships going in and out of the Gulf. I’m pretty sure those captains were glad we were there to keep the Straits open and relatively safe for shipping.
Anyway, I would be fine if the US took its toys and went home. Let the Straits be closed and all of those countries fight over who gets their commerce to world markets, or kill each other. Tired of footing the bill because the Shia and Sunnis can’t get along. The US just gets a token amount of its oil from the region anyway. The EU? About 40%. Send some Dutch/German/French/Italian/Spanish/British ships to do the job the US has been doing (and paying for) for decades. Thats fine with me.
Apneaman on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 10:33 am
Hair clog, you just got shown up by a US military veteran who has served on warships in that very same region. Someone who has been there done that- you have not – now shut the fuck up.
Apneaman on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 10:47 am
InfoWars’ Alex Jones is a ‘performance artist playing a character’, says his lawyer
But his ex-wife says he is ‘not a stable person’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/infowars-alex-jones-performance-artist-playing-character-lawyer-conspiracy-theory-donald-trump-a7687571.html
Ghung on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 11:02 am
Funny that. Talk about three reliable sources – Alex Jones,an ex-wife, and a lawyer.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 11:04 am
Anyway, I would be fine if the US took its toys and went home.
Finally an important point we can agree on.
The US just gets a token amount of its oil from the region anyway. The EU? About 40%. Send some Dutch/German/French/Italian/Spanish/British ships to do the job the US has been doing (and paying for) for decades. Thats fine with me.
There is zero reason to assume that the Gulf needs the US to organize unhindered oil shipping. Oil is the single most important source of income for these upstarts.
And if not, we still have Russia. And of course the transition potential. By 2030 Europe won’t really need these desert folks any more.
clogmeister, you just got shown up by a US military veteran who has served on warships in that very same region.
ApneaTurd… yeah, I was surprised too. He is a bit of a “Jack of all Trades”, probably having trouble discovering his true vocation in life. Most likely because he doesn’t have one and sold himself to the highest bidder.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 11:05 am
Funny that. Talk about three reliable sources – Alex Jones,an ex-wife, and a lawyer.
To make it worse, his ex is kosher.
Ouch, that was a costly divorce.
Ghung on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 11:42 am
Cloggo; ““Jack of all Trades””
Yep. I was probably 12 when I figured out that , as Tanada is want to say, “Specialization is for insects.” I’ve been a hobo, a student, an electronics tech (when televisions still had tubes) a professional driver, a sailor, a forklift driver, a salesman, an IT tech/coder, HVAC repair man and test-and-balance engineer, a utilities and pipeline surveyor/designer, a dog groomer/breeder, a home builder (carpenter, electrician, plumber, tile-setter, designer), a greens-keeper, a solar tech, a grower, and an editor, and even spent a few nights in jail. Not all at once, but a bit of multi-tasking at times.
The idea that people should “do one thing and do it well” always seemed like a helluva way to waste a life. I’m plenty proficient at all of the above, and yes, may as well do those things for the highest bidder, especially when it’s a learning experience. Most folks I meet that think they have everything figured out have been nowhere – done nothing much. I’ve been to 42 countries, lived all over the US, and never expect to figure things out. Better to make life up as you move along.
That said, I probably learned more during my hobo years than while doing anything else. It’s amazing what people will reveal about themselves, and humanity in general, to a traveling homeless stranger.
Cloggie on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 12:52 pm
There are indeed many roads between the cradle and the grave.
While we are at it, I have been in 46 countries (count again, I’m sure you forgot some.lol):
From left to right: US, Venezuela, Cuba, DomRep, Iceland, Ireland, UK, Norway, Sweden, Finland (10)
Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Netherlands, Belgium,
Luxemburg, France (20)
Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Egypt (30)
Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein,
Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia, Maldives (40)
Mauritius, Cape Verde, Dubai, UAE, Vatican City, Monaco (46)
I’m obviously not counting the countries I flew over (Greenland, Canada, Iran, Somalia), or Aruba that is still part of the Netherlands. Or countries in statu nascendi, like Scotland. Not sure if I ever was in Andorra. To be honest I was in Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia when it was still Yugoslavia. But that was pretty much it.
Highest on my todo list: Siberia and China by train and back via Iran. Perhaps Japan when I’m in the neighborhood. And some Route-66 event. For the rest I hate flying. And no fan of the third world either, the women in my life always had to dragged me there, just to confirm my “prejudices”. So I’m pretty much saturated regarding travelling and you can still beat me. Good luck.
joe on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 2:10 pm
Child races cant be trusted to keep the peace and the oil flowing. Without America, Iran and Arabia would decend into naval warfare in the Persian Gulf. Soon Asia Minor would be dragged in and thus the old problems would re emerge. As long as US interests are served by having a navy then there will be a navy there. The only thing probobly keeping Iran and Saudi apart is the US, think of a world where those two shit hole countries fight and a massive chunks of global energy supply vanishes in weeks.
Anonymouse on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 4:54 pm
Joe, the uS is keeping Iran and Saudi Arabia apart, but not in way you have been programmed to believe, the uS is in fact keeping the two apart, and doing so intentionally. The uS is constantly stirring the pot hoping to ignite some kind of war between the two, that the uS can then ‘insert’ itself into, on the sauds side of course. If not for the uS and the its puppets in the house of ‘saud’, Arabia and Iran would likely have normal relations.
This idea you are trying peddle, that the uS is some kind, benevolent peacekeeper , valiantly keeping two adversaries that hate each other apart, for the sake of world peace and goodness, is simply false. If not for the house of sauds subservience to the uS and Israel and its willingness to be used as a stalking horse for their varied agendas, the two nations would have no significant axes to grind. Iran is a far more responsible and even-handed member of international community than the worlds #1 and 2 rogue states, Israel and amerika.
energy investor on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 5:41 pm
Some of the remarks here are just “bat-shit crazy”. So far Pax Americana with its frequent US attrocities is what has kept the global economic system stable enough for the growth of not just the OECD but for raising many emerging countries and peoples from abject poverty.
Islam is an affront to common sense. Their interfaith squabbles and suppression of women are an insult to all reasonable people. Iran is typical of the crazies. If they attack a US vessel it will be a pre-meditated move and they will face dire consequences because we all need and use oil.
Meantime a little bit of “hazing” hurts nobody.
Sure we are destroying other species and depleting essential finite resources with our Western greed. But until a system arrives that is better, we should be careful what we wish for.
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 5:48 pm
Yeah, EI, everything is hunky dory if your a single celled organism for everybody else Western greed is fast making this planet virtually uninhabitable.
http://www.theinertia.com/environment/a … g-by-2030/
A Horrifying New Study Found that the Ocean is on its Way to Suffocating by 2030
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 5:49 pm
bad link
http://www.theinertia.com/environment/a-horrifying-new-study-found-that-the-ocean-is-on-its-way-to-suffocating-by-2030/
makati1 on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 6:12 pm
EI is obviously very blind to reality. He only sees what his oily mind wants to see, like so many other Westerners. Who gives a damn about globalization or ‘investments’ human extinction is the cost? The ‘investors’ that want to live off of the sweat and blood of the rest, that’s who. The sooner it all crashes, the better for Mother Earth.
peakyeast on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:00 pm
lol.. A system that succeeds over other systems because its able to destroy everything faster that other systems is something to wish for? Talking about bat-shit crazy…
DerHundistlos on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:28 pm
@ PeakCandidiasis
Nicely expressed and guaranteed to shutter pie holes.
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:53 pm
http://www.exitmundi.nl/hydroxyl.htm
“And ‘no hydroxyl’ could be where we’re heading. In the 1980s, NASA scientists came up with figures that suggested the amount of hydroxyl in the air has dropped by 25 percent since 1950. And in 2001, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted a 20 percent drop of hydroxyl activity in the century to come.
Then, in 1993, Sasha Madronich, a researcher working for the US government, made a frightening discovery. At some point, Madronich calculated, pollution will overwhelm the hydroxyl chemistry. There will be so much filth around, the detergent will simply give up — and quit. In fact, over some polluted areas, the hydroxyl shutdown is happening already, Madronich points out.”
Davy on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 7:54 pm
EI is a she I believe and she is far from blind. She is one of the few here who are not extremist that tell it like it is. So many extremist here whine, moan, and point fat fingers but without the understanding of the consequences. They want to blame their villain and compliment their people. That is about as base as it gets. This game the extremist play is little different than the sheeple who embraces the status quo fantasy. Extremist just embrace an alternative fantasy of anti-Status quo status quo. The blame game is useless without a real alternative. Real alternatives are fantasy. What this blame game comes down to is emotional release but without constructive outcomes. You can’t change something into something else if it is not changeable. Predicaments have no solutions only adaptation. Whining is emotions and acceptance is strength.
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:01 pm
Sure we are destroying other species and depleting essential finite resources with our Western greed. But until a system arrives that is better, we should be careful what we wish for.— Yes, Davy but EI is talking like a cheerleader for BAU. That is not accepting inevitable decline. Oh and my bad should have said human greed not just Western
makati1 on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:13 pm
HE/She/It, doesn’t matter just like the blind commenter that said she is not blind. Maybe Brainwashed is a better term? For both.
Boat on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:23 pm
Onlooker,
I don’t see BAU as something to be cheered, in fact some of us cheer advances in tech that result in less dirty energy being used and efficiency cutting the need for energy that would have been used. We cheer countries like Japan that are actually dropping population. I blame my own country and Europe for allowing immigration who would otherwise drop populations. What I don’t here is blame for countries who are letting populations explode. Most of them Muslim. They have very high fertility rates. I don’t hate Muslims but the world would be better off if they got their shyt together. Why don’t you complain about them?
Davy on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:27 pm
Onlooker, I disagree. She is saying BAU is what it is and those who whine about BAU do this without a real plan. She rightly points out that those who are so strongly opinionated against the status quo are being careless. We are an order of magnitude in overshoot. BAU is why we eat today. Kill BAU and you may kill yourself. What we have is emotional attacks on something that is multidimensional and in ascending layers of abstraction. Existential predicaments that are not human do not conform to human thinking. These issues are beyond man in many ways even though man is within the issues struggling with meaning. The whiners have to be blamed to satisfy themselves but that blame solves nothing. It would be more honest if the whiners admitted there are no solutions but that they want someone to pay regardless. They could come out and say people need to be punished even though there is nothing that can be done and this punishment is useless as a solution. I would respect this. I respect hatred and vengeance. It is a human emotions and natural. I don’t agree with its embrace but I respect it. Why I can’t respect is the lies. Lying and gaming the truth lacks wisdom. Without wisdom we are groping in the dark. If we can’t be honest with ourselves then we can never adapt to the horrors ahead.
Boat on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:40 pm
Davy,
The time of horror in a historical sense will happen long after your dead. That horror may indeed regional in nature. Kansas for example has plenty of land for food, pasture, wind, nat gas, oil, far from any coast. Few people with no large cities. You will need a tornado shelter or home in the side of a hill.
onlooker on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 8:55 pm
Okay, Davy I understand where you are coming from. I too while not so openly critical, do not feel it is productive to have the constant blaming highlighted. Yes, I think I have arrived at a point whereby I take exception to any view that presupposes some sort of collectively navigating successfully the Ordeals ahead. It is part and parcel of our hubris as a species which is a big recent we are in this Predicament. Honesty and integrity is lacking in those views. We have deferred to Nature our destiny. If we survive as a species it will be because of luck and the preparation and toughness of certain communities on a local level. My problem with the comment by EI, is deep rooted in the catch 22 of the fact that every day more that Industrial Civilization exists is another day damaging the Biosphere and living support systems of this planet. So, while yes the end of BAU will bring drastic consequences and I am not cheerleading it, it also may provide the only opportunity left for some remnants of our species to survive.
Apneaman on Thu, 27th Apr 2017 9:40 pm
Boat, the northern hemisphere (large land mass) will heat up more than the southern hemisphere. That’s why all them rich cunts are buying bugouts down there.
I’m sure those good farm & ranching folks in Kansas and surrounding states will be fine – perfectly fine I say.
Kansas wildfires: These cattle ranchers just lost everything – March 9, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/us/kansas-wildfires-livestock-lost/
Tell yourself.